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(Ozarks First)   "This is your captain speaking; we've landed safely at the Branson airport...oh, shiat, we were supposed to land in Dallas, weren't we? F*ck"   (ozarksfirst.com) divider line 14
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2014-01-13 05:02:54 AM  
4 votes:
The Wright amenment (expires in October) forbids aircraft from going more than one state to or from Love Field. Which is why I don't understand the Branson stop.

From the Wiki entry: "In 2005, Senator Kit Bond of Missouri attached an amendment to a transportation spending bill to exempt his state from the Wright restrictions. After the bill's passage, Southwest began nonstop flights from Love Field to St. Louis and Kansas City."

I've just read that Wiki entry and I must say: you 'muricans are sometimes so pro-business, that you attain a whole new level of communist.
2014-01-13 05:52:33 AM  
2 votes:

Radak: Lsherm: What I don't understand is that you're communicating with the tower before approach.  No one at the main airport noticed that the plane was lining up for the wrong farking airport?

If I trust a comment on another article about this incident, neither of these airports has a tower, but it still boggles the mind that this kind of mistake could be made with a big jet.  Wouldn't a pilot notice on approach that the runway is half the length he's expecting?

Also, these articles fail to mention the interesting aspect that the runway where they landed is shorter than the minimum takeoff distance for a 737-700, by quite a bit.  I don't know if they can reduce the takeoff distance enough simply by flying with no cargo and as little as fuel as needed to safely get to the right airport.  Any Fark pilots have any comments on this?


They temporarily mount rockets on the fuselage to boost the speed and lower the required takeoff distance

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Much like this
2014-01-13 04:07:28 AM  
2 votes:

Lsherm: TuteTibiImperes: Well, they were supposed to land in Branson, then go to Dallas.

Apparently the Branson airport is fairly new (opened in 2009) and the one they landed at was the old county airport, which is only 8 miles away.

That makes it a little bit more understandable, though I imagine the pilot is in for an uncomfortable conversation with his boss.

What I don't understand is that you're communicating with the tower before approach.  No one at the main airport noticed that the plane was lining up for the wrong farking airport?


It's a lesson in ATC to give a "not in sight" before clearing an airplane to land if you don't have eyes on it. When two airports have similar orientation in a region there's a risk of mis-id'ing a runway.

The shiat hits the fan when the runway is too short to take off again. This can lead to having to strip a plane of it's interior so it cam get back out.
2014-01-13 12:42:59 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Well, they were supposed to land in Branson, then go to Dallas.

Apparently the Branson airport is fairly new (opened in 2009) and the one they landed at was the old county airport, which is only 8 miles away.

That makes it a little bit more understandable, though I imagine the pilot is in for an uncomfortable conversation with his boss.


What I don't understand is that you're communicating with the tower before approach.  No one at the main airport noticed that the plane was lining up for the wrong farking airport?
2014-01-12 10:29:54 PM  
2 votes:
Well, they were supposed to land in Branson, then go to Dallas.

Apparently the Branson airport is fairly new (opened in 2009) and the one they landed at was the old county airport, which is only 8 miles away.

That makes it a little bit more understandable, though I imagine the pilot is in for an uncomfortable conversation with his boss.
2014-01-13 10:00:15 AM  
1 votes:

lack of warmth: As silly as it sounds, for a plane traveling at those speeds, 8 miles is a small area.  It is discerning to realize a pilot could be confused like that, but at least he didn't crash and can get his head in the game for the next flight.

/At least it wasn't an enemy airport.
//I'm sure there has been worse delays even with landing at the right airport


8 miles is a distance, not an area.

With all the NAVAIDs available, and confirmation from the tower, it's hard to imagine how a pilot could do this.  This is easy to avoid.  The consequences could be serious.  Send this guy (or both) back to flight school, or to Greyhound school.
2014-01-13 07:59:09 AM  
1 votes:

Coming on a Bicycle: The Wright amenment (expires in October) forbids aircraft from going more than one state to or from Love Field. Which is why I don't understand the Branson stop.

From the Wiki entry: "In 2005, Senator Kit Bond of Missouri attached an amendment to a transportation spending bill to exempt his state from the Wright restrictions. After the bill's passage, Southwest began nonstop flights from Love Field to St. Louis and Kansas City."

I've just read that Wiki entry and I must say: you 'muricans are sometimes so pro-business, that you attain a whole new level of communist.


I just did as well, and frankly it makes me sick. I can't talk directly as I'm not a resident of that area. But this is not the job of elected leaders. from the sounds of it there is no legit reason today for the restrictions. There was a tenuous justification when the bill was passed, but not anymore. The continued terminal restrictions seems counter to pubic interest as well.
2014-01-13 07:43:10 AM  
1 votes:
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2014-01-13 07:02:19 AM  
1 votes:

powhound: Radak: Lsherm: 

Branson is towered (operating until 9 pm if my google search was correct). The glide slope angle distorts runway lengths so that is not the best visual cue to determine which airport is which.

The thing for me is the runway orientations. Assuming they were lined up to land on Branson runway 14 (140 degrees heading on the approach), and then if they saw the Clark runway lights they would have had to bank left 20 degrees to line up the approach to Clark. That is not a small course correction while on final. Unless they were lined up on the wrong heading to go into Clark from the beginning.


Yeah, I didn't get that either.  I never flew anything as big as a 737, but really, I think that even in that you would notice a 20 degree difference, or that you were headed to runway with no tower vs. a towered one.  Plus the fact that the crappy GPS in a little Cessna will tell you what airport you're headed into.  I would think that in a big plane like that, where you pretty much tell the computer where you want to go, and it flies the plane for you, that it would be damn near impossible to line up with the wrong airport.  My GPS could give me the codes for tiny dirt strips in the ass end of Alaska.  You would think the one in a plane for a major airline could inform the pilot that "hey dumbass, you're headed for PLK not BBG".
2014-01-13 06:37:37 AM  
1 votes:

Radak: Lsherm: What I don't understand is that you're communicating with the tower before approach.  No one at the main airport noticed that the plane was lining up for the wrong farking airport?

If I trust a comment on another article about this incident, neither of these airports has a tower, but it still boggles the mind that this kind of mistake could be made with a big jet.  Wouldn't a pilot notice on approach that the runway is half the length he's expecting?


Branson is towered (operating until 9 pm if my google search was correct). The glide slope angle distorts runway lengths so that is not the best visual cue to determine which airport is which.

The thing for me is the runway orientations. Assuming they were lined up to land on Branson runway 14 (140 degrees heading on the approach), and then if they saw the Clark runway lights they would have had to bank left 20 degrees to line up the approach to Clark. That is not a small course correction while on final. Unless they were lined up on the wrong heading to go into Clark from the beginning.
2014-01-13 04:21:01 AM  
1 votes:
wildcardjack:  The Wright amenment (expires in October) forbids aircraft from going more than one state to or from Love Field. Which is why I don't understand the Branson stop.


From the Wiki entry: "In 2005, Senator Kit Bond of Missouri attached an amendment to a transportation spending bill to exempt his state from the Wright restrictions. After the bill's passage, Southwest began nonstop flights from Love Field to St. Louis and Kansas City."
2014-01-13 04:10:25 AM  
1 votes:

bangmaid: A few thoughts.

A) People were taken by bus to the right airport, but WHAT ABOUT THEIR LUGGAGE?

B) don't you think Chicago to Dallas makes more sense for a non stop instead of a non stop to Branson?

C) having flight experience, but not commercial, I was under the assumption that the tower or approach knew where you were and told you when to turn, and to what heading etc, basically making sure planes line up in an orderly fashion for landing. Is this not common in Branson?


The Wright amenment (expires in October) forbids aircraft from going more than one state to or from Love Field. Which is why I don't understand the Branson stop.
2014-01-13 03:58:19 AM  
1 votes:
You are now free to muck about the country
2014-01-13 01:13:59 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: No one at the main airport noticed that the plane was lining up for the wrong farking airport?


I dunno, if I was stuck doing air traffic control for Branson, I'd be doing whatever I could to help people avoid the place. Even if it's having a pilot think he's landing at the right airport when he's actually not.
 
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