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2014-01-14 08:11:41 AM

bmwericus: One benefit, if you want to call it that, is that with only six or twelve shots per shooter, plus having to recock the hammer after each shot, spray and pray drive-bys will be a thing of the past unless it's a school bus full of shooters....

Black powder is fun, keep looking at those revolvers and Hawkin rifles.  The long reload cycle prevents you from shooting up $100 bills every range visit.


Never heard of the Starr Double Action revolver?  Shoots just as fast as any semi-auto handgun.

Pietta makes Starr Double Actions, btw.   You can buy one from Dixie Gun Works, and unless you live in New Jersey or Canada, it'll show up on your doorstep with no questions asked.
 
2014-01-14 08:23:22 AM

The One True TheDavid: Isn't such equipment expensive?


Not really.  If you were to start from scratch, a Lee Challenger Breech Lock Single Stage Reloading Press kit is about $130 from Midway.

That's got everything you need, except for the actual die, shell holder, and case length gauge.  Case length gauge and shell holder will set you back about $5-$10,   and a die set will cost you somewhere between $25 and $45.

So all in, excluding the actual powder, cases, bullets, and primers (which are your recurring costs), you can do it for less than $200.
 
2014-01-14 08:35:23 AM

HeadLever: demaL-demaL-yeH: The Founders would like a word, nimrod.

Since Heller held that the right to bear arms is not contingent upon militia service, I am not sure what you are getting at.  You want to define what is needed for a militia back in the day, fine.  However, bearing arms is not associated with these requirements.

My point stands


Yes, it does.  Apparently  demaL-demaL-yeH never actually bothered to *READ* the Heller decision:

    Besides ignoring the historical reality that the Second Amendment was not intended to lay down a "novel principl[e]" but rather codified a right "inherited from our English ancestors," Robertson v. Baldwin, 165 U. S. 275, 281 (1897) , petitioners' interpretation does not even achieve the narrower purpose that prompted codification of the right. If, as they believe, the Second Amendment right is no more than the right to keep and use weapons as a member of an organized militia, see Brief for Petititioners 8-if, that is, the organized militia is the sole institutional beneficiary of the Second Amendment 's guarantee-it does not assure the existence of a "citizens' militia" as a safeguard against tyranny. For Congress retains plenary authority to organize the militia, which must include the authority to say who will belong to the organized force.17 That is why the first Militia Act's requirement that only whites enroll caused States to amend their militia laws to exclude free blacks. See Siegel, The Federal Government's Power to Enact Color-Conscious Laws, 92 Nw. U. L. Rev. 477, 521-525 (1998). Thus, if petitioners are correct, the Second Amendment protects citizens' right to use a gun in an organization from which Congress has plenary authority to exclude them. It guarantees a select militia of the sort the Stuart kings found useful, but not the people's militia that was the concern of the founding generation.
 
2014-01-14 11:49:37 AM

dittybopper: HeadLever: demaL-demaL-yeH: The Founders would like a word, nimrod.

Since Heller held that the right to bear arms is not contingent upon militia service, I am not sure what you are getting at.  You want to define what is needed for a militia back in the day, fine.  However, bearing arms is not associated with these requirements.

My point stands

Yes, it does.  Apparently  demaL-demaL-yeH never actually bothered to *READ* the Heller decision:

    Besides ignoring the historical reality that the Second Amendment was not intended to lay down a "novel principl[e]" but rather codified a right "inherited from our English ancestors," Robertson v. Baldwin, 165 U. S. 275, 281 (1897) , petitioners' interpretation does not even achieve the narrower purpose that prompted codification of the right. If, as they believe, the Second Amendment right is no more than the right to keep and use weapons as a member of an organized militia, see Brief for Petititioners 8-if, that is, the organized militia is the sole institutional beneficiary of the Second Amendment 's guarantee-it does not assure the existence of a "citizens' militia" as a safeguard against tyranny. For Congress retains plenary authority to organize the militia, which must include the authority to say who will belong to the organized force.17 That is why the first Militia Act's requirement that only whites enroll caused States to amend their militia laws to exclude free blacks. See Siegel, The Federal Government's Power to Enact Color-Conscious Laws, 92 Nw. U. L. Rev. 477, 521-525 (1998). Thus, if petitioners are correct, the Second Amendment protects citizens' right to use a gun in an organization from which Congress has plenary authority to exclude them. It guarantees a select militia of the sort the Stuart kings found useful, but not the people's militia that was the concern of the founding generation.


Bro, you're reversing what I said and reading into the text you quoted in order to make it fit your preconceived notions.
I never said anybody has to be a militia member in order to bear arms.
I've repeatedly said that every person legally resident in the United States becomes member of the organized Militia of the United States (like the one the Founders instituted) at sixteen and remains a member and subject to the discipline, training, safe storage, arms inspection, and qualification requirements, and must participate for life.

As your block-quote wall of text points out, the Constitution specifies that Congress makes the rules about Militia membership, training, discipline, arms, and specifies the regulations.
 
2014-01-14 12:15:35 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I never said anybody has to be a militia member in order to bear arms.


Then why did you rebut my point about the right to bear arms with a link to the Militia Act of 1792 with the the context that the founders would disagree with my point?

I've repeatedly said that every person legally resident in the United States becomes member of the  organized Militia of the United States (like the one the Founders instituted) at sixteen and remains a member and subject to the discipline, training, safe storage, arms inspection, and qualification requirements, and must participate for life.

You realize that the Militia act of 1903 repealed the Militia Acts of 1792 and organized the militia into two groups: the Reserve Militia, which included all able-bodied men between 18 and 45, and the Organized Militia, which included state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.

Right?
 
2014-01-14 12:44:12 PM

HeadLever: demaL-demaL-yeH: I never said anybody has to be a militia member in order to bear arms.

Then why did you rebut my point about the right to bear arms with a link to the Militia Act of 1792 with the the context that the founders would disagree with my point?

I've repeatedly said that every person legally resident in the United States becomes member of the  organized Militia of the United States (like the one the Founders instituted) at sixteen and remains a member and subject to the discipline, training, safe storage, arms inspection, and qualification requirements, and must participate for life.

You realize that the Militia act of 1903 repealed the Militia Acts of 1792 and organized the militia into two groups: the Reserve Militia, which included all able-bodied men between 18 and 45, and the Organized Militia, which included state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.

Right?


You realize that the job of Congress is to make and reform laws, right?
I, for one, realize that Congress has a named constitutional  duty to fix the stupid mess they created.
 
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