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2014-01-13 10:46:57 AM  

mbillips: Saw an ad in Shotgun News awhile back. Somebody was taking antique (pre-1898) bolt-action magazine rifles, rechambering them for modern ammo (7.62 NATO) and selling them while emphasizing how they were untraceable and legal for felons to own. Never underestimate the avarice of assholes.


I would never fire modern ammunition in antique weapons.
 
2014-01-13 10:47:22 AM  

mbillips: Saw an ad in Shotgun News awhile back. Somebody was taking antique (pre-1898) bolt-action magazine rifles, rechambering them for modern ammo (7.62 NATO) and selling them while emphasizing how they were untraceable and legal for felons to own. Never underestimate the avarice of assholes.


I think the real concern there is in getting firearms that aren't "on paper", because firearms that the government doesn't know you have can't be confiscated.

Whether you believe confiscation is likely or not, a sizable minority of the gun owning population in the US sees it as a real possibility, and they are planning for it.
 
2014-01-13 11:06:27 AM  

dittybopper: mbillips: Saw an ad in Shotgun News awhile back. Somebody was taking antique (pre-1898) bolt-action magazine rifles, rechambering them for modern ammo (7.62 NATO) and selling them while emphasizing how they were untraceable and legal for felons to own. Never underestimate the avarice of assholes.

I think the real concern there is in getting firearms that aren't "on paper", because firearms that the government doesn't know you have can't be confiscated.

Whether you believe confiscation is likely or not, a sizable minority of the gun owning population in the US sees it as a real possibility, and they are planning for it.


Those individuals are paranoid lunatics, because absolutely no one in the United States of America has ever advocated firearm confiscation.

Also, just because some people have advocated firearm confiscation does not mean that those who fear confiscation are not lunatics, because none of those advocates are elected officials.

And just because some elected officials have advocated firearm confiscation does not mean that those who are concerned of firearm confiscation are not paranoid, because not every single gun control advocate, without exception, is advocating confiscation.
 
2014-01-13 11:06:56 AM  

mbillips: The_Mad_Dutchman: mbillips: Saw an ad in Shotgun News awhile back. Somebody was taking antique (pre-1898) bolt-action magazine rifles, rechambering them for modern ammo (7.62 NATO) and selling them while emphasizing how they were untraceable and legal for felons to own. Never underestimate the avarice of assholes.

I found the man placing those ads...

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Nah, that's totally legal. You can rechamber or rebarrel an antique rifle for modern ammo, and it's still considered a "non-firearm" by the Feds. Some states restrict ownership of antique cartridge arms, and cap and ball replicas, but the Feds don't.


You also won't see many of those being used in criminal activities.
 
2014-01-13 11:09:01 AM  

dittybopper: mbillips: Saw an ad in Shotgun News awhile back. Somebody was taking antique (pre-1898) bolt-action magazine rifles, rechambering them for modern ammo (7.62 NATO) and selling them while emphasizing how they were untraceable and legal for felons to own. Never underestimate the avarice of assholes.

I think the real concern there is in getting firearms that aren't "on paper", because firearms that the government doesn't know you have can't be confiscated.

Whether you believe confiscation is likely or not, a sizable minority of the gun owning population in the US sees it as a real possibility, and they are planning for it.


Gullibility, stupidity, and paranoia should never be encouraged.
 
2014-01-13 11:22:19 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: x23: Mock26: What a load of crap.  Everyone knows that there is no gun crime in the United Kingdom.  Their strict gun laws eliminated all gun crime.  Duh.

i dunno... "900 incidents a year in which a weapon is actually fired or brandished" in a country of 63.23 million seems like a significant reduction in gun crime. feel like comparing those numbers to the US? i'd guess we hit 900 in a week.

Its the autos that are the problem. Automobile.

/40000 a year



Yeah, because it'd be im-farking-possible for me to get to work and home without my gat, just like it would be without my automobile.  Guns and cars are equally useful, and my pants are on my head, retarded.
 
2014-01-13 11:28:52 AM  

Dimensio: Those individuals are paranoid lunatics, because absolutely no one in the United States of America has ever advocated firearm confiscation.


Except, you know, for the governor of my state.  Little more than a year ago.

In the interview, Mr. Cuomo did not offer specifics about the measures he might propose, but, while discussing assault weapons, he said: "Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option - keep your gun but permit it."

And yes, others have advocated firearm confiscation.

The 2008 Heller decision has made that all but impossible, of course, but that doesn't mean that nobody is going to try to whittle the definition of what is permissible to own down to a small subset of what is currently legal.
 
2014-01-13 11:29:06 AM  

Dimensio: Those individuals are paranoid lunatics, because absolutely no one in the United States of America has ever advocated firearm confiscation.

Also, just because some people have advocated firearm confiscation does not mean that those who fear confiscation are not lunatics, because none of those advocates are elected officials.

And just because some elected officials have advocated firearm confiscation does not mean that those who are concerned of firearm confiscation are not paranoid, because not every single gun control advocate, without exception, is advocating confiscation.


Wait wut?

No one.... well some people but not elected people..... well some elected people but not the ones with any weight behind their movement... well maybe a majority but you are still paranoid.
 
2014-01-13 11:31:43 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: mbillips: Saw an ad in Shotgun News awhile back. Somebody was taking antique (pre-1898) bolt-action magazine rifles, rechambering them for modern ammo (7.62 NATO) and selling them while emphasizing how they were untraceable and legal for felons to own. Never underestimate the avarice of assholes.

I think the real concern there is in getting firearms that aren't "on paper", because firearms that the government doesn't know you have can't be confiscated.

Whether you believe confiscation is likely or not, a sizable minority of the gun owning population in the US sees it as a real possibility, and they are planning for it.

Gullibility, stupidity, and paranoia should never be encouraged.


Then stop trying to ban shiat.  Don't give them any possible evidence that they are right.  Stop talking about further restrictions on guns.  That'll take the wind out of their sails.

Remember, that paranoia didn't just happen.  It's a *REACTION*, not an action.
 
2014-01-13 11:36:47 AM  

Whiskey Dickens: Yeah, because it'd be im-farking-possible for me to get to work and home without my gat, just like it would be without my automobile.  Guns and cars are equally useful, and my pants are on my head, retarded.


Cars, or even vehicles in general, aren't specifically protected by the Constitution of the United States.

Arms (which includes firearm, but I'd also argue it includes things like knives, swords, clubs, etc) are protected for personal use by the Constitution of the United States.

The fact that one has more day-to-day utility to you and I doesn't change that in the least.  They are protected for a reason.

Had the ability to travel been considered as important, the right to own horses, boats, wagons, ships, etc. would have been protected also.
 
2014-01-13 11:38:00 AM  

dittybopper: Dimensio: Those individuals are paranoid lunatics, because absolutely no one in the United States of America has ever advocated firearm confiscation.

Except, you know, for the governor of my state.  Little more than a year ago.

In the interview, Mr. Cuomo did not offer specifics about the measures he might propose, but, while discussing assault weapons, he said: "Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option - keep your gun but permit it."

And yes, others have advocated firearm confiscation.

The 2008 Heller decision has made that all but impossible, of course, but that doesn't mean that nobody is going to try to whittle the definition of what is permissible to own down to a small subset of what is currently legal.


Dude, you got me *AGAIN!*
 
2014-01-13 11:45:27 AM  

theDesertHamster: ransack.: Feed_The_Walrus: x23: Mock26: What a load of crap.  Everyone knows that there is no gun crime in the United Kingdom.  Their strict gun laws eliminated all gun crime.  Duh.

i dunno... "900 incidents a year in which a weapon is actually fired or brandished" in a country of 63.23 million seems like a significant reduction in gun crime. feel like comparing those numbers to the US? i'd guess we hit 900 in a week.

One problem with UK gun statistics is that I never know how they've compiled their numbers.  Gun crime in the UK includes BB guns, air rifles, replicas, anything where a reasonable person would believe that there was a gun or would feel threatened.  I heard ont he radio last week that armed police only discharged their firearms in 3 incidents in the last year, I think it's a total of 5 shots (and a couple of them were probably dogs)

In the United Kingdom, annual firearm homicides total 

2011: 38
2010: 33
2009: 26
2008: 40
2007: 15
2006: 61
2005: 38
2004: 36
2003: 29
2002: 39
2001: 38
2000: 71
1999: 45
1998: 33
1997: 45
1996: 84

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom

Yeah but machetes are flying everywhere and I'd rather be shot

Yes, we have a bit over twice as many deaths via knives as we do by guns. However, our total homicides are currently about 700-730 per year for the whole country. That's a death rate per 100,000 that's a quarter of the US total. 1.2 vs 4.7

As a UK gun ownner and user, I'm pretty happy with the laws we have regarding certification of weapons. For a shotgun license, you apply and the local firearms officer will come and talk to you to assess you and your application. They also check out your storage capacity too, i.e. the number of weapons your lockable cabinet can hold. If you buy (each sale is logged via the police by the seller) more than you can store in that cabinet, you can expect a visit from the police and a possible fine/revocation of your license.


It's a pity that the rest of your crime rates are a trainwreck compared to the US.
 
2014-01-13 11:46:58 AM  
So when a certain kind of weapon is banned, criminals will still do criminal things with other kinds of weapons. I'm shocked, SHOCKED!
 
2014-01-13 12:00:43 PM  

netwiz: It's a pity that the rest of your crime rates are a trainwreck compared to the US.


Do you not recognize that homicide (and other violent crimes) are more acceptable when committed without a firearm?
 
2014-01-13 12:04:38 PM  

netwiz: It's a pity that the rest of your crime rates are a trainwreck compared to the US.


Do you not recognize that homicide (and other violent crimes) are more acceptable when committed without a firearm?

Saiga410: Dimensio: Those individuals are paranoid lunatics, because absolutely no one in the United States of America has ever advocated firearm confiscation.

Also, just because some people have advocated firearm confiscation does not mean that those who fear confiscation are not lunatics, because none of those advocates are elected officials.

And just because some elected officials have advocated firearm confiscation does not mean that those who are concerned of firearm confiscation are not paranoid, because not every single gun control advocate, without exception, is advocating confiscation.

Wait wut?

No one.... well some people but not elected people..... well some elected people but not the ones with any weight behind their movement... well maybe a majority but you are still paranoid.


In a previous discussion, I responded to an individual who claimed that "no one" was advocating a ban on all firearms with links to three editorials explicitly advocating a complete ban on civilian firearm ownership.

Another poster replied claiming that I was being dishonest in my rebuttal and paranoid in general because not every single firearm restriction advocate was advocating a ban on all firearms, and he demanded that I stop pretending that such advocacy was universal even though I had never done so.
 
2014-01-13 12:06:29 PM  
Peter Sutcliff never used a gun.
 
2014-01-13 12:09:11 PM  
Britain then:
1.bp.blogspot.com

upload.wikimedia.org

Britain now: 
i.telegraph.co.uk

static2.wikia.nocookie.net

/Just Sayin'
 
2014-01-13 12:14:26 PM  

BalugaJoe: Peter Sutcliff never used a gun.


Bass player for The Clash, right?
 
2014-01-13 12:16:20 PM  

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: mbillips: Saw an ad in Shotgun News awhile back. Somebody was taking antique (pre-1898) bolt-action magazine rifles, rechambering them for modern ammo (7.62 NATO) and selling them while emphasizing how they were untraceable and legal for felons to own. Never underestimate the avarice of assholes.

I think the real concern there is in getting firearms that aren't "on paper", because firearms that the government doesn't know you have can't be confiscated.

Whether you believe confiscation is likely or not, a sizable minority of the gun owning population in the US sees it as a real possibility, and they are planning for it.

Gullibility, stupidity, and paranoia should never be encouraged.

Then stop trying to ban shiat.  Don't give them any possible evidence that they are right.  Stop talking about further restrictions on guns.  That'll take the wind out of their sails.

Remember, that paranoia didn't just happen.  It's a *REACTION*, not an action.


Bro, what am I trying to ban?
Mandatory firearm training for everybody sixteen and over who is not encumbered by law, mental illness, or conscience. I want a real milita instead of some disorganized, poorly-led lardass paranoiacs running around in the woods.
 
2014-01-13 12:21:41 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Bro, what am I trying to ban?


Nobody knows who the fark you are, and nobody cares, so basically, whether or not you want to ban something is irrelevant, because some people do in fact want to bans guns, or certain subsets thereof, and you *KNOW* that.

Mandatory firearm training for everybody sixteen and over who is not encumbered by law, mental illness, or conscience. I want a real milita instead of some disorganized, poorly-led lardass paranoiacs running around in the woods.

Maybe we could make it part of the high school curriculum.  Like driver's ed.  Cover basic firearm safety, and basic marksmanship.
 
2014-01-13 12:22:58 PM  

Dimensio: netwiz: It's a pity that the rest of your crime rates are a trainwreck compared to the US.

Do you not recognize that homicide (and other violent crimes) are more acceptable when committed without a firearm?


writingishard.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-13 12:26:21 PM  

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: Bro, what am I trying to ban?

Nobody knows who the fark you are, and nobody cares, so basically, whether or not you want to ban something is irrelevant, because some people do in fact want to bans guns, or certain subsets thereof, and you *KNOW* that.

Mandatory firearm training for everybody sixteen and over who is not encumbered by law, mental illness, or conscience. I want a real milita instead of some disorganized, poorly-led lardass paranoiacs running around in the woods.

Maybe we could make it part of the high school curriculum.  Like driver's ed.  Cover basic firearm safety, and basic marksmanship.


Like we did when I was a kid?
Peachy.

But every Swingin' Richard and Whistlin' Wendy legally resident in the US becomes a militia member at 16 - enrolled, sworn (or affirmed), medically and mentally screened, regularly trained, weapon qualified, and has arms and ammo inspected, and subject to the UCMJ for (mis)use of militia arms.
 
2014-01-13 12:28:38 PM  

Shirley Ujest: belhade: This can mean only one thing:

Time-traveling murderer!

What flick, please.


TV show "Castle"
 
2014-01-13 12:29:01 PM  

dittybopper: Nobody knows who the fark you are, and nobody cares, so basically, whether or not you want to ban something is irrelevant, because some people do in fact want to bans guns, or certain subsets thereof, and you *KNOW* that.


So? I want a trillion US dollars tax free.
It.
Won't.
Farking.
Happen.

/And if your aunt had testes, she'd be your uncle.
 
2014-01-13 12:41:08 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Like we did when I was a kid?
Peachy.

But every Swingin' Richard and Whistlin' Wendy legally resident in the US becomes a militia member at 16 - enrolled, sworn (or affirmed), medically and mentally screened, regularly trained, weapon qualified, and has arms and ammo inspected, and subject to the UCMJ for (mis)use of militia arms.


Such requirements would change the 'Right to Bear Arms' into a 'Privilege to Bear Arms'.  Many of these would likely be arbitrary and capricious limitations on this right.  Not to mention that you would need to reverse the Heller decision.
 
2014-01-13 12:43:16 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: So? I want a trillion US dollars tax free.
It.
Won't.
Farking.
Happen.


unless we quit pushing back against these nutjobs. . . . .

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
 
2014-01-13 12:51:12 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: netwiz: It's a pity that the rest of your crime rates are a trainwreck compared to the US.

Do you not recognize that homicide (and other violent crimes) are more acceptable when committed without a firearm?

[writingishard.files.wordpress.com image 850x1275]


You are correct; my statement was a "strawman", and was not in any way based upon the fact that firearm regulation extremists cite "gun murder" statistics when comparing nations, rather than overall "murder" statistics, in an effort to exaggerate the higher rate of homicide in the United States of America. Similarly, my statement is not all related to a history of citing "gun suicide" statistics rather than overall "suicide" statistics to hide the fact that the suicide rate of the United States of America is not substantially higher than that of other developed nations (and in fact that it is lower than several nations).
 
2014-01-13 12:53:41 PM  

Molavian: mbillips: Saw an ad in Shotgun News awhile back. Somebody was taking antique (pre-1898) bolt-action magazine rifles, rechambering them for modern ammo (7.62 NATO) and selling them while emphasizing how they were untraceable and legal for felons to own. Never underestimate the avarice of assholes.

I would never fire modern ammunition in antique weapons.


 Mostly this, but I've fired an original Gatling Gun that was converted from 30-40 Krag (yes, it was used in the Spanish-American War) to 7.62x51 (.308).Having said that, even modern replicas like my Uberti 1873 in .45 LC can't handle modern +P ammo.
 
2014-01-13 12:59:54 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: Nobody knows who the fark you are, and nobody cares, so basically, whether or not you want to ban something is irrelevant, because some people do in fact want to bans guns, or certain subsets thereof, and you *KNOW* that.

So? I want a trillion US dollars tax free.
It.
Won't.
Farking.
Happen.

/And if your aunt had testes, she'd be your uncle.


You don't have a powerful grassroots lobby preventing you from getting a trillion dollars tax free.
 
2014-01-13 01:06:58 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: So? I want a trillion US dollars tax free.
It.
Won't.
Farking.
Happen.


If so, please start with trying for $100 tax free. If you get that, go for $1000.  If you get that try for $10,000 and so on.

At any time you get rejected, scream "WHY WON'T YOU COMPROMISE??????"
 
2014-01-13 01:17:39 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: wildcardjack: belhade: This can mean only one thing:

Time-traveling murderer!

Very Dirk Gently, but their time travelers were a cat and murder victim.

What does Molly Quinn have to do with Dirk Gently?

[www.hawtcelebs.com image 425x552]


You were just looking for a reason to post her picture. Not that I'm complaining.
 
2014-01-13 01:40:35 PM  

Diebesbeute: ZeroCorpse: Diebesbeute: Diebesbeute: Pribar: Several truck drivers I know carry cap and ball revolvers (usually repro Remingtons) because many states prohibit firearms in commercial vehicles but most states classify cap and ball revolvers as relics and not firearms (NY, Massachusetts, and California classify em as firearms and prohibit them in commercial vehicles the last I checked). Getting shot with a .44 cal cap and ball pistol will kill ya just as dead as a modern .44 will.

Cap and ball "revolver"? Are you the author of the news story as well?

My apologies! I've learned something new. I did not realize they made those back in the day. Sorry!

Not a fan of westerns, are you?

Apparently not.  I'm not sure why, but I had always assumed that cap and ball were only single shot.

I was trying to comment on how the reporter had several little errors in the story (referring to the slug itself as a cartridge, etc etc).  All I ended up doing was showing off my own ignorance.  So, Score!?  Again, Sorry Pribar.


For further reference on the cap-and-ball revolver and its effectiveness look up Wild bill Hickok, William "Buffalo Bill" Cody. Both men used Cap-and-Ball guns long after cartridge guns were available. A personal favorite of mine is the LeMat Revolver. Because the only way to make 9 shots of .36 or .44 caliber lead balls more effective in a handgun is to add a 20 Gauge shotgun barrel to the mix.

/Cap-and-ball guns (reproductions) can be purchased at most sporting goods stores in the U.S.
 
2014-01-13 02:00:06 PM  

washington-babylon: Cap-and-ball guns (reproductions) can be purchased at most sporting goods stores in the U.S.


You can buy them through the mail, shipped to your door, no questions asked.
 
2014-01-13 02:02:57 PM  

dittybopper: washington-babylon: Cap-and-ball guns (reproductions) can be purchased at most sporting goods stores in the U.S.

You can buy them through the mail, shipped to your door, no questions asked.


And I should point out a couple things:

1. You can convert Remington-style revolvers into cartridge guns by just swapping out the cylinder, and

2. You can quickly reload even a cap-and-ball Remington style revolver by dropping the loading lever, pulling the cylinder pin forward, popping out the fired cylinder, popping in a fresh loaded cylinder, pushing the cylinder pin back, and bringing the loading lever up.

Takes more time to explain it than to actually do it, once you get the hang of it.
 
2014-01-13 02:16:32 PM  
washington-babylon:

For further reference on the cap-and-ball revolver and its effectiveness look up Wild bill Hickok, William "Buffalo Bill" Cody. Both men used Cap-and-Ball guns long after cartridge guns were available. A personal favorite of mine is the LeMat Revolver. Because the only way to make 9 shots of .36 or .44 caliber lead balls more effective in a handgun is to add a 20 Gauge shotgun barrel to the mix.

/Cap-and-ball guns (reproductions) can be purchased at most sporting goods stores in the U.S.


An original Le Mat can set you back up to 5 figures & even the modern repros that were made some years back are several thousand when you can find them.
 
2014-01-13 03:41:29 PM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: washington-babylon: Cap-and-ball guns (reproductions) can be purchased at most sporting goods stores in the U.S.

You can buy them through the mail, shipped to your door, no questions asked.

And I should point out a couple things:

1. You can convert Remington-style revolvers into cartridge guns by just swapping out the cylinder, and

2. You can quickly reload even a cap-and-ball Remington style revolver by dropping the loading lever, pulling the cylinder pin forward, popping out the fired cylinder, popping in a fresh loaded cylinder, pushing the cylinder pin back, and bringing the loading lever up.

Takes more time to explain it than to actually do it, once you get the hang of it.


I am quite familiar with these items myself, having been in the reenacting circuit with Freeman's battery a few years. Have you ever made the pilgrimage to Dixie Gun Works in Union City TN? I went there many times growing up which fueled my love of Black powder guns. I used to hit the Rendezvous in Friendship Indiana pretty frequently as well.
 
2014-01-13 04:03:44 PM  

washington-babylon: I am quite familiar with these items myself, having been in the reenacting circuit with Freeman's battery a few years. Have you ever made the pilgrimage to Dixie Gun Works in Union City TN? I went there many times growing up which fueled my love of Black powder guns. I used to hit the Rendezvous in Friendship Indiana pretty frequently as well.


I was *BORN* with a flintlock in my hand:

img144.imageshack.us

Old Turner hisself took one look at me at that age and said "That boy really knows how work a rock lock".  Then he let me nail his wife.  Both ends.  At the same time.
 
2014-01-13 04:08:51 PM  

Doom MD: Oops 103.


It was made in 1911?  What kind of gun is it?

j/k
 
2014-01-13 04:21:57 PM  

washington-babylon: Diebesbeute: ZeroCorpse: Diebesbeute: Diebesbeute: Pribar: Several truck drivers I know carry cap and ball revolvers (usually repro Remingtons) because many states prohibit firearms in commercial vehicles but most states classify cap and ball revolvers as relics and not firearms (NY, Massachusetts, and California classify em as firearms and prohibit them in commercial vehicles the last I checked). Getting shot with a .44 cal cap and ball pistol will kill ya just as dead as a modern .44 will.

Cap and ball "revolver"? Are you the author of the news story as well?

My apologies! I've learned something new. I did not realize they made those back in the day. Sorry!

Not a fan of westerns, are you?

Apparently not.  I'm not sure why, but I had always assumed that cap and ball were only single shot.

I was trying to comment on how the reporter had several little errors in the story (referring to the slug itself as a cartridge, etc etc).  All I ended up doing was showing off my own ignorance.  So, Score!?  Again, Sorry Pribar.

For further reference on the cap-and-ball revolver and its effectiveness look up Wild bill Hickok, William "Buffalo Bill" Cody. Both men used Cap-and-Ball guns long after cartridge guns were available. A personal favorite of mine is the LeMat Revolver. Because the only way to make 9 shots of .36 or .44 caliber lead balls more effective in a handgun is to add a 20 Gauge shotgun barrel to the mix.

/Cap-and-ball guns (reproductions) can be purchased at most sporting goods stores in the U.S.


Even better you can get a reproduction of a cap-and-ball gun that's chambered for a .38 round for less than $500 bucks.  They're a heck of a lot of fun to shoot.
 
2014-01-13 07:21:15 PM  

HeadLever: demaL-demaL-yeH: Like we did when I was a kid?
Peachy.

But every Swingin' Richard and Whistlin' Wendy legally resident in the US becomes a militia member at 16 - enrolled, sworn (or affirmed), medically and mentally screened, regularly trained, weapon qualified, and has arms and ammo inspected, and subject to the UCMJ for (mis)use of militia arms.

Such requirements would change the 'Right to Bear Arms' into a 'Privilege to Bear Arms'.  Many of these would likely be arbitrary and capricious limitations on this right.  Not to mention that you would need to reverse the Heller decision.


The Founders would like a word, nimrod.
 
2014-01-13 07:26:01 PM  

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio:   homicide (and other violent crimes) are more acceptable when committed without a firearm


said nobody ever.

/Strawman.
 
2014-01-13 07:33:35 PM  

HeadLever: demaL-demaL-yeH: So? I want a trillion US dollars tax free.
It.
Won't.
Farking.
Happen.

unless we quit pushing back against these nutjobs. . . . .

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.


All that is necessary for you to convince me that you're not a trolling sockpuppet or severely mentally ill is for you to take a position that is not paranoid, stupid, trollish, (self)delusion(al) and any combination thereof.

My money's on:
Won't.
Ever.
Farking.
Happen.

NB: I do not consider bearing arms in defense of the State in a well regulated militia in any way evil. YMMV.
 
2014-01-13 08:09:32 PM  

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: Nobody knows who the fark you are, and nobody cares, so basically, whether or not you want to ban something is irrelevant, because some people do in fact want to bans guns, or certain subsets thereof, and you *KNOW* that.

So? I want a trillion US dollars tax free.
It.
Won't.
Farking.
Happen.

/And if your aunt had testes, she'd be your uncle.

You don't have a powerful grassroots lobby preventing you from getting a trillion dollars tax free.


There's no powerful grassroots lobby preventing you from owning firearms that are legal in your jurisdiction.
There are, however, families of victims and gunshot victims who want the government to do a better job of keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.
 
2014-01-13 08:17:18 PM  
One benefit, if you want to call it that, is that with only six or twelve shots per shooter, plus having to recock the hammer after each shot, spray and pray drive-bys will be a thing of the past unless it's a school bus full of shooters....

Black powder is fun, keep looking at those revolvers and Hawkin rifles.  The long reload cycle prevents you from shooting up $100 bills every range visit.
 
2014-01-13 10:31:02 PM  
What kind of a dick would do that?

epguides.com
 
2014-01-13 11:40:23 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: The Founders would like a word, nimrod.


Since Heller held that the right to bear arms is not contingent upon militia service, I am not sure what you are getting at.  You want to define what is needed for a militia back in the day, fine.  However, bearing arms is not associated with these requirements.

My point stands
 
2014-01-13 11:42:57 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: All that is necessary for you to convince me that you're not a trolling sockpuppet or severely mentally ill is for you to take a position that is not paranoid, stupid, trollish, (self)delusion(al) and any combination thereof.


The same could be said about you since you seem to conflate the right to bear arms with being in a militia. Since that has been decided (and not in your favor) it appears that you don't have much to stand on other than your impotent rage.
 
2014-01-14 12:09:38 AM  

dj_spanmaster: ArcadianRefugee: wildcardjack: belhade: This can mean only one thing:

Time-traveling murderer!

Very Dirk Gently, but their time travelers were a cat and murder victim.

What does Molly Quinn have to do with Dirk Gently?

[www.hawtcelebs.com image 425x552]

You were just looking for a reason to post her picture. Not that I'm complaining.


I'd dirk her, but not gently.
 
2014-01-14 01:25:09 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Gleeman: [i.imgur.com image 660x320]
Not all old weapons are obsolete.

Ma! What are you doing hanging around with sailors?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-14 03:07:39 AM  

Mad_Radhu: If you pay cash for a Tracfone at the local bodega, it doesn't really matter because unless they track the phone back to that specific store and run the security tapes, there is nothing to link you to the phone if you ditch it.


Uh, what about the records of the calls the phone made? Are you sure you don't know anybody who'd betray your trust?

"We're not going to care what's on your computer if you tell us who called you last Thursday night from 8:16 to 8:37 and what you talked about."

HKW: The One True TheDavid: One big problem with antique firearms is they use bullets that are uncommon and expensive when you can find them. E.g., ammoseek.com can't find any 7.5mm swiss ordnance ammo. Some of those weapons were apparently very accurate as well as durable, especially revolvers and bolt-action rifles.

I'm sure its available from European ammo suppliers.   But meh..  Just reform .284 winchester brass, and use standard .308 bullets.  The bore diameter of the Swiss was .307.  If you want to get really technical, just pass a standard .308 bullet through a .307 forming die -- but its more a waste of time.


Isn't such equipment expensive?


Dimensio: The One True TheDavid: How lucky we are in the USA to have oodles of cheap .22LR or .380 handguns around.

Unfortunately, finding cheap .22LR or .380 ammunition is no longer possible.


www.ammoseek.com

dittybopper: Remember, that paranoia didn't just happen. It's a *REACTION*, not an action.


You mean I didn't create the Illuminati all by myself? What a relief that something's not my fault; too bad my ex still won't believe it.
 
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