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(Maryland Community News)   Maryland politicians think school zone speed cameras would be more profitable if they also wrote tickets when schools were closed   (gazette.net ) divider line
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2014-01-12 07:31:46 PM  
Fine. I'll run over children at the speed limit.
 
2014-01-12 07:32:10 PM  
One of the schools in my city closed, but the 20 mph sign in front of the school kept flashing during school dropoff hours. I saw a guy pulled over in front once, but I had no way of knowing if that was the reason he was pulled over.
 
2014-01-12 07:32:44 PM  
That sucks, I always speed past schools in PG County no matter what time it is. That's where all the guns are!
 
2014-01-12 07:33:58 PM  
Shoot them!  Not the cameras, the politicians.
 
2014-01-12 07:34:13 PM  
Washington's Supreme Court already ruled on this bullshiat argument. Children must be *present* in those zones here. Common sense rules the day.
 
2014-01-12 07:38:03 PM  
M - F from 6 AM to 8 PM is the current enforcement time period?? Fark that.
 
2014-01-12 07:39:59 PM  
Paintballs, lasers, etc. - get to work!
 
2014-01-12 07:40:52 PM  
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2014-01-12 07:41:33 PM  
Whoops! Wrong thread.
Anyone know where the library is?
 
2014-01-12 07:42:25 PM  
We have that here (rural NS). The signs say reduced speed "when children are present" but the story has it that the RCMP will enforce that regardless of the day or time.
 
2014-01-12 07:42:39 PM  
Wake up America. Camera enforcement is all about the revenue. They cause more accidents than they prevent.
 
2014-01-12 07:44:09 PM  
It has ALWAYS been about the revenue. I hate school zones, not because I disagree with slowing down when children are running about, but that I hate slowing down when there is not a child in sight. Here they are in force 7 am to 5 pm, but the only time you ever see children is 7:45-8:30, and 2:30-3:30. I drive a lot in my work and encounter about 5 school zones in my travels. Fines are double in a school zone.
 
2014-01-12 07:44:34 PM  

Zombie DJ: Whoops! Wrong thread.
Anyone know where the library is?


"Lots of practice!"

/whoops! Wrong joke.
// Anyone know how to get to Carnegie Hall?
 
2014-01-12 07:47:46 PM  
but...but..but..it's not about the money. It's to protect the children!
 
2014-01-12 07:48:14 PM  
Revenue generator or not, if you don't want to be paying into it, then DON'T EXCEED SPEED LIMIT and stop your snivelling.
 
2014-01-12 07:48:59 PM  

ilikeracecars: One of the schools in my city closed, but the 20 mph sign in front of the school kept flashing during school dropoff hours. I saw a guy pulled over in front once, but I had no way of knowing if that was the reason he was pulled over.


Reminds me of the time I failed a driving test for speeding in a school zone.  It was the school I went to, I got out of school at regular dismissal time, walked home, got with mom and drove back to the DMV located next to my hs.  I took the test about 2 hours after school was let out, but because I was going 35 and the 25 school zone sign was still flashing, I failed and had to retake the test later.  To add further insult, the city cops in that area couldn't even write a ticket for less than 11 over without the court tossing it out.  She failed me for something everyone else did on a daily basis.
 
2014-01-12 07:51:09 PM  

"One Prince George's legislator's attempt to extend the operation of county speed cameras to nights and weekends is drawing criticism from opponents who say the cameras are intended to aid school safety, not generate revenue after school hours."


I pity those fools!

 
2014-01-12 07:53:23 PM  
Maryland: The uppity hillbilly state.
 
2014-01-12 07:53:29 PM  
Currently, state law limits speed camera operations to 6 a.m. to 8 p.m. Monday through Friday in school zones.

They have kids at school until 8pm?

Around here they have the reduced speed and flashing lights from 3:15 till 4 pm, which is enough time for the kids to exit school and get in their parents car or walk home. The morning hours are longer, from 7-8:15 am.

I live down the street from the high school and you DO NOT want to try driving around here from 3-3:30 pm. Between the kids who drive trying to leave and all the parents picking their kids up, it's wall to wall 3 mph traffic for blocks.

There used to be hoards of kids walking past my house going to or from school, these days it's 8 or 10 at most. Lazy bastards.
 
2014-01-12 07:54:31 PM  

zimbomba63: Shoot them!  Not the cameras, the politicians.


Good to see someone came in to advocate violence. It's not a thread about the government impoings taxes, tickets, etc. unless some idiot comes in and calls for people to get shot.
 
2014-01-12 07:55:09 PM  

djwebb1127: Maryland: The uppity hillbilly state.


So much truth in so few words.
 
2014-01-12 07:58:09 PM  
PGC.  All you need to know about this.
 
2014-01-12 07:59:08 PM  

doyner: djwebb1127: Maryland: The uppity hillbilly state.

So much truth in so few words.


Maryland hillbilly here. I am hereby stealing that line.
 
2014-01-12 08:04:24 PM  

INeedAName: zimbomba63: Shoot them!  Not the cameras, the politicians.

Good to see someone came in to advocate violence. It's not a thread about the government impoings taxes, tickets, etc. unless some idiot comes in and calls for people to get shot.



You're right, just hand over your wallet and let them take what they want.  It can't be theft, because there's a law and the law is never wrong.  Besides, it for the children.

Am I doing it right?

Oh yeah, don't fight back, it's only money.

I forgot that one.
 
2014-01-12 08:05:51 PM  
Slackers, Connecticut beat you to it.  Our school zones are in effect 24/7, 365, and have been for as long as I can remember.  I'd love to see what the police unions would do if our legislature were to try breathing some sense this law.

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2014-01-12 08:10:06 PM  
PG County was a sewer when I lived there in the 70s.  It has only fermented since then.
 
2014-01-12 08:11:43 PM  

lack of warmth: ilikeracecars: One of the schools in my city closed, but the 20 mph sign in front of the school kept flashing during school dropoff hours. I saw a guy pulled over in front once, but I had no way of knowing if that was the reason he was pulled over.

Reminds me of the time I failed a driving test for speeding in a school zone.  It was the school I went to, I got out of school at regular dismissal time, walked home, got with mom and drove back to the DMV located next to my hs.  I took the test about 2 hours after school was let out, but because I was going 35 and the 25 school zone sign was still flashing, I failed and had to retake the test later.  To add further insult, the city cops in that area couldn't even write a ticket for less than 11 over without the court tossing it out.  She failed me for something everyone else did on a daily basis.


Well, you were a student, and you were definitely present.   What makes you think you are above the law?
 
2014-01-12 08:15:12 PM  
truly, one of the things I enjoy about living somewhere other than MD is the lack of abusive speed cameras.
 
2014-01-12 08:18:22 PM  

zimbomba63: Shoot them!  Not the cameras, the politicians.


The FBI would like to have a word with you
 
2014-01-12 08:23:39 PM  
We need to get fark party canidates elected to stop this shiat. I imagine the conventions would devolve into drunken brawls.
 
2014-01-12 08:24:36 PM  
I got a nice fat ticket in Waldo, Fla. after turning left off the highway and heading away from the school zone. The cop pointed back behind us and said, "ya see that school zone sign?" It was spring break; I had my kid in the car. Also had a nice tin of spring break herb in the car, so I didn't argue about school schedules with the scumbag.
 
2014-01-12 08:24:36 PM  

fireclown: doyner: djwebb1127: Maryland: The uppity hillbilly state.

So much truth in so few words.

Maryland hillbilly here. I am hereby stealing that line.


I'm standing by "rural hipster" for you.

/Still, it's about 50% uppity hillbillies, 50% Newark, NJ.
 
2014-01-12 08:37:23 PM  

It's for safety, citizen.

You need more safety.

Much, much more safety.


Do not question us.


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2014-01-12 08:40:56 PM  
A guy quoted in the article made it seem like the companies that make the cameras receive a portion of the fines. If so that sucks.  They probably already have a lobby drafting legislature for 'their guys in office' to blindly sign.
 
2014-01-12 08:43:54 PM  
My old high school often leaves their lights flashing during inappropriate hours.  I've seen them flashing at 11pm on a Sunday in July.  Hell, it's a closed campus with 8' (or higher) fence all the way around.  The kids aren't going to dart out onto the highway chasing a ball.  There's no reason to be flashing those lights outside of arrival and departure times.
 
2014-01-12 08:45:59 PM  

wambu: It's for safety, citizen.You need more safety.Much, much more safety.
Do not question us.
[i.imgur.com image 157x200]


And safety ain't cheap, so get that wallet out, citizen.  Oh yeah, the children, etc., etc.
 
2014-01-12 08:47:47 PM  

95BV5: Washington's Supreme Court already ruled on this bullshiat argument. Children must be *present* in those zones here. Common sense rules the day.


Citation?  I'd like to read that.
 
2014-01-12 08:48:33 PM  
Link
Not only were no other companies brought in for the bidding of the speed cameras, but Baltimore County accepted ACS' profit split which would give ACS 85-90 percent of the revenue generated by the citations, while the county would keep only 10-15 percent. Five other jurisdictions in the state currently keep 60 percent of the profit generated by its speed cameras. If this is Baltimore County's evidence that this is not a revenue generator, then the question becomes, if we are going to have the cameras, why would we keep such a small part of the revenue?

This particular deal is in Baltimore, but even if this was split 33/33/33 between state/fed/corporation, it still seems more about payoffs and corporate profit rather than construction funds or safety.

Why are corporations even allowed to setup speed cameras in a for-profit model.
 
2014-01-12 08:54:12 PM  
I can tell you with certainty that you will get pulled over and ticketed in Virginia if the lights are flashing, whether school is in session or not.
 
2014-01-12 09:07:44 PM  
How great would it be if virtually everyone didn't violate a traffic law for 6 mos straight.

I know, I know, dream big.
 
2014-01-12 09:10:13 PM  

NightSteel: 95BV5: Washington's Supreme Court already ruled on this bullshiat argument. Children must be *present* in those zones here. Common sense rules the day.

Citation?  I'd like to read that.


http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.asp x?cite=468-95-335

The WAC was updated in 2011 to reflect the court's decision.
 
2014-01-12 09:35:11 PM  

95BV5: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.asp x?cite=468-95-335


Forgive me, but if I'm reading that correctly, this is simply a definition of the language 'when children are present' when it appears on a school zone sign.  Not all school zone signs have this language.  (Though personally, I believe they should.)

I got the impression from your earlier post that the state court had ruled school zone tickets weren't valid without children present, regardless of signage.
 
2014-01-12 09:52:34 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: How great would it be if virtually everyone didn't violate a traffic law for 6 mos straight.

I know, I know, dream big.


Just because a person received a ticket does not necessarily mean they violated a traffic law.  Tickets will still be written, I would stake your mother's soul on that.
 
2014-01-12 09:56:06 PM  

ReapTheChaos: There used to be hoards of kids walking past my house going to or from school, these days it's 8 or 10 at most. Lazy bastards.


More like a combination of helicopter parents and schools not really wanting kids to walk home unattended because of those same helicopter parents. The kids who you saw walking probably had to get a bunch of waivers signed by their parents to allow them to do that, or at least a face to face with the kids teacher to get that to happen.
 
2014-01-12 09:56:11 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: How great would it be if virtually everyone didn't violate a traffic law for 6 mos straight.

I know, I know, dream big.


Close to 16 years in MI, with only 4 tickets.  Sure beats my previous record of 9 tickets within 3 years in SC.  I think I can go 6 months, however it's those young drivers that will screw it up.
 
2014-01-12 10:06:53 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Link
Not only were no other companies brought in for the bidding of the speed cameras, but Baltimore County accepted ACS' profit split which would give ACS 85-90 percent of the revenue generated by the citations, while the county would keep only 10-15 percent. Five other jurisdictions in the state currently keep 60 percent of the profit generated by its speed cameras. If this is Baltimore County's evidence that this is not a revenue generator, then the question becomes, if we are going to have the cameras, why would we keep such a small part of the revenue?

This particular deal is in Baltimore, but even if this was split 33/33/33 between state/fed/corporation, it still seems more about payoffs and corporate profit rather than construction funds or safety.

Why are corporations even allowed to setup speed cameras in a for-profit model.


Right o !

That should be the privy of the state only!

Just an fyi, a company being involved is irrelevant.  It simply means that an entity that isn't slow and lethargic is involved.

Would it make you feel better if some Dept of Photography was involved instead of having a company?

You still get the ticket.
 
2014-01-12 10:16:44 PM  
Nutsac_Jim ,
Right o !
That should be the privy of the state only!
Just an fyi, a company being involved is irrelevant. It simply means that an entity that isn't slow and lethargic is involved.
Would it make you feel better if some Dept of Photography was involved instead of having a company?
You still get the ticket.


I don't object to private companies/contractors setting up camera, I do object to them taking a percentage of the cut.. It should be a flat fee. This situation is begging for exploitation.

And I do think that government regulators should be involved to make sure the yellow light duration is within expectations, it is a corner that needs a speed/red light camera and otherwise does not contradict existing traffic laws.
 
2014-01-12 10:24:56 PM  

95BV5: Washington's Supreme Court already ruled on this bullshiat argument. Children must be *present* in those zones here. Common sense rules the day.


I *HATE* those zones with a passion... The ones with signs stating either hours or which have flashing lights when enforced are fine and dandy, but the "if kids are around" ones are the biggest pain in the ass out there. I can count at least 3 schools in the area near me at which I have no goddamn clue if there are kids present until the last farking second, halfway through the school zone.
 
2014-01-12 10:26:33 PM  
Pretty much the only thing Utah has done right, is not allowing these ticket machines in the state.
 
2014-01-12 10:35:26 PM  

Radioactive Ass: ReapTheChaos: There used to be hoards of kids walking past my house going to or from school, these days it's 8 or 10 at most. Lazy bastards.

More like a combination of helicopter parents and schools not really wanting kids to walk home unattended because of those same helicopter parents. The kids who you saw walking probably had to get a bunch of waivers signed by their parents to allow them to do that, or at least a face to face with the kids teacher to get that to happen.


It's a high school, no wavers or teacher meetings are needed.
 
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