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2014-01-12 10:08:51 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Said it before years ago: fracking is a very useful, economic, powerful technique that the industry is going to get banned by total incompetent and overuse and by mindless covering of their reckless members.


That's the sad thing. This technique could make the United States self-sufficient in energy for a while, and make a lot of people a lot of money even if they played by the rules and did things clean. But the dumbfarks have decided that the best way to deal with flammable water coming out of kitchen faucets is to circle the wagons and clam up.
 
2014-01-12 10:11:34 PM

RandomRandom: Governments and regulation are the equalizer.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You know for regulations that help corporations screw the little guy you need to first have a gov't strong enough to enforce unfair laws.

Felgraf: Assuming, of course, the aggrieved can A) Prove damages (How do you know your sickness was caused by our chemical? Our chemical isn't KNOWN to cause any sicknesses, so you'd better prove it was our chemical that made you sick!) B) Have enough money to withstand the lengthy court battle as the company likely has faaarr deeper pockets to afford lawyers that can throw up roadblock after roablock.


You have to assume a lot. It's already known the chemicals cause damage. If they didn't then there wouldn't be much of an issue. On the flip side, Big WiFi clearly has us all led into believing WiFi is harmless when clearly it causes all kinds of cancers...

yakmans_dad: /Libertarians never factor in the power of bribing public officials.


The anti-Libertarian believes that politicians can be bribed by corporations BUT if we give those same politicians tons of powers they'll magically become immune to bribery.

Ivan the Tolerable: Or, you know, sell their product in a market halfway around the world that doesn't care.


That has nothing to do with facing legal recourse in the area they affected.

mongbiohazard: This is just one of many ways (others have pointed out some more earlier in the thread) that the libertarian fantasy simply fails when practically implemented. It would be a dystopian world filled with the rich stomping on the rest of society forever.


I miss the old days when the poor ruled the world and equality ensured everyone a long healthy life.
 
2014-01-12 10:15:08 PM

Hollie Maea: Satanic_Hamster: For the life of me, I don't understand why the industry is willing to farkover their long term prospects by covering for the short term profits of a few jagoffs.

That's what industry does, when left to its own devices.


See also: Palmerton, PA.
 
2014-01-12 10:19:02 PM

theorellior: But the dumbfarks have decided that the best way to deal with flammable water coming out of kitchen faucets is to circle the wagons and clam up.


Or you know, use science to prove that the people claiming fracking made their faucets flammable are lying. Science is clearly the tools of dumbfarks.
 
2014-01-12 10:22:01 PM

JoieD'Zen: Satanic_Hamster: Dougie AXP: I just drove Philly to Pittsburgh today. I didn't see any Fracking ones. Now that the "gold rush" has calmed down, people aren't getting uppity as much.

I think the industry in PA has realized that the more they keep fracking in people's minds, the more they'll have negative consequences of it.

I can't imagine living in that area.


I was up there this past summer.
I bought a couple of bottles of water in a supermarket and the check-out girl commented to me on how inexpensive those bottles of water were, as though I were being let in on a secret.

Drinking water is a right, not a consumer commodity.
And they're destroying watersheds, possibly for ever, for the sake of some truck driving jobs for some idiot oilfield trash who will go home to crap-hole states like Texas and Oklahoma and die of cancer in their 40s.

In the bathroom of the quickie mart I stopped in, the graffitti on the wall was all about the oil field trash, telling them to go home and how fracking was confederate revenge. Another scrawl said simply, "FU@K, FIGHT, AND LAY PIPE."
 
2014-01-12 10:26:48 PM
Mrbogey:
mongbiohazard: This is just one of many ways (others have pointed out some more earlier in the thread) that the libertarian fantasy simply fails when practically implemented. It would be a dystopian world filled with the rich stomping on the rest of society forever.

I miss the old days when the poor ruled the world and equality ensured everyone a long healthy life.



The point you're trying to make is pretty dumb for anyone with the barest grasp on the progress we've made in general in the 20th century. We've gone from company towns to OSHA.

America has forgotten a lot of big lessons and is starting to slide backwards, but our country raised shiat tons of people out of poverty, came up with great protections for workers and made the common man more affluent here then almost anywhere else ever. And Libertarians want to tear it all down and replace it with new corporate run feudalism.

That there's a lot left to do in no way diminishes the progress that has been made.
 
2014-01-12 10:39:13 PM

theorellior: But the dumbfarks have decided that the best way to deal with flammable water coming out of kitchen faucets is to circle the wagons and clam up.


And put up these billboards (which btw is promoting a "documentary" that was heavily promoted by the fracking industry:

images.politico.com

Mrbogey: You know for regulations that help corporations screw the little guy you need to first have a gov't strong enough to enforce unfair laws.


Whereas without those regulations, the corporations screw the little guy much faster.
 
2014-01-12 11:00:30 PM

Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.


Nice job. Surely everyone else will think you are an idiot.
 
2014-01-12 11:00:42 PM

Cpl.D: Is it going to take people being killed before the righties see a valid reason for some industry regulation?


Pffff, they're just dirt-faced hillbillies. Why would a righty give a crap about them?
 
2014-01-12 11:17:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: theorellior: But the dumbfarks have decided that the best way to deal with flammable water coming out of kitchen faucets is to circle the wagons and clam up.

And put up these billboards (which btw is promoting a "documentary" that was heavily promoted by the fracking industry:

[images.politico.com image 605x328]

Mrbogey: You know for regulations that help corporations screw the little guy you need to first have a gov't strong enough to enforce unfair laws.

Whereas without those regulations, the corporations screw the little guy much faster.


Oh, I can do you one better than that billboard.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/8/radio-disney-s-partner s hipwithgasindustryinohiohassomereeling.html
Radio Disney's pro-fracking elementary school tour sparks outrage
 
2014-01-12 11:19:09 PM
Really, Fark.  Can't figure out a Al Jazeera URL?  Because it worked just fine in my damn browser.

Gawker recap of it, with snarky commentary added:
http://gawker.com/radio-disney-is-promoting-fracking-at-dozens-of-el em ent-1498113339
 
2014-01-12 11:23:16 PM
Freedom?
Mr. Peabody's coal train done hauled it away.
 
2014-01-12 11:28:28 PM

2wolves: WTF Indeed: It's West Virginia, no one should feel bad for West Virginia.

It's a trout river.  Doesn't matter where it is.


About 100 miles north east of Charleston the Elk is full of trout. In Charleston not so much.

Still not cool to damage the river I learned how to swim in.

Bastards.
 
2014-01-12 11:31:11 PM

Mrtraveler01: theorellior: But the dumbfarks have decided that the best way to deal with flammable water coming out of kitchen faucets is to circle the wagons and clam up.

And put up these billboards (which btw is promoting a "documentary" that was heavily promoted by the fracking industry:

[images.politico.com image 605x328]

Mrbogey: You know for regulations that help corporations screw the little guy you need to first have a gov't strong enough to enforce unfair laws.

Whereas without those regulations, the corporations screw the little guy much faster.


The irony is that Matt Damon made a movie financed in part by anti-fracking oil sheiks while Fracknation received no funding from fracking corps. Perhaps you ought to actually digest what the billboard says. Methane intrusion into water supplies is an age old problem. Fracking didn't invent it.

As to regulations, you realize you can sue someone even without regulations?
 
2014-01-12 11:34:00 PM

FlyingJ: organizmx /another red state racing to the bottom

So with all the blue states down there now it'll be purple?
http://greatlakesecho.org/2010/06/04/poisoning-michigan-an-author-re vi sits-the-most-widespread-contamination-30-years-later/

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2012/04/24/lake-erie-ranks-in-nat io n's-top-50-for-carcinogens-dumped-into-water/


Jesus.  I was born after the PBB contamination.  It was most decidedly not mentioned in my environmentalism in Michigan class, although aside from that I thought I was familiar with at least all of the larger pollution nightmares here.  And my boyfriend went to school in Alma, we've spent time in St. Louis.

Holy crap.

Thank you for the link.  I'm buying the book and will probably read it while drinking heavily.
 
2014-01-12 11:35:45 PM

FlyingJ: organizmx /another red state racing to the bottom

So with all the blue states down there now it'll be purple?
http://greatlakesecho.org/2010/06/04/poisoning-michigan-an-author-re vi sits-the-most-widespread-contamination-30-years-later/

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2012/04/24/lake-erie-ranks-in-nat io n's-top-50-for-carcinogens-dumped-into-water/


... for f--ks sake, I read the damn Echo all the time.  Weird how certain things just slip by you, knowledge wise.
 
2014-01-12 11:36:39 PM
Fracking is so safe that these companies hired Hill and Knowlton, the same PR firm that cigarette companies hired back in the '50s to help promote their safety. Hiring former Army psyops specialists to influence and manipulate local communities is a testament to the safety of fracking. And of course, the four states confirming that drilling has contaminated water also means fracking is completely safe. Nothing to worry about. Now please sign this NDA. Also, your two children need to sign it as well. Thanks.
 
2014-01-12 11:39:22 PM

WTF Indeed: It's West Virginia, no one should feel bad for West Virginia.



Stick your ignorance about West Virginia in your ass shiat for brains.

And then go fark yourself.
 
2014-01-13 12:03:53 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Fracking is so safe that these companies hired Hill and Knowlton, the same PR firm that cigarette companies hired back in the '50s to help promote their safety. Hiring former Army psyops specialists to influence and manipulate local communities is a testament to the safety of fracking.


Well that and the fact they fought for, and received, an exemption from the SDWA, When fracking is a textbook activity for what the SDWA was passed to oversee.
 
2014-01-13 12:09:03 AM

Mrbogey: The irony is that Matt Damon made a movie financed in part by anti-fracking oil sheiks while Fracknation received no funding from fracking corps.


No, just money from people in the fracking industry.

The film, however, is being partially funded through donations on the Kickstarter website, and the roster of "executive producers" who have donated at least $1 includes scores of energy industry associates.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/businessnews/2012/03/04/Industr y- gets-cast-in-FrackNation-the-latest-documentary-on-the-drilling-debate /stories/2012030402520000000#ixzz2qFgilKdx

Mrbogey: As to regulations, you realize you can sue someone even without regulations?


So instead of creating regulations to prevent the little man from getting screwed over, we wait for the little man to get screw over and hope that he wins his lawsuit when he does get screwed over?
 
2014-01-13 12:09:48 AM
Let them drink Mountain Dew?
 
2014-01-13 12:14:36 AM

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: The irony is that Matt Damon made a movie financed in part by anti-fracking oil sheiks while Fracknation received no funding from fracking corps.

No, just money from people in the fracking industry.

The film, however, is being partially funded through donations on the Kickstarter website, and the roster of "executive producers" who have donated at least $1 includes scores of energy industry associates.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/businessnews/2012/03/04/Industr y- gets-cast-in-FrackNation-the-latest-documentary-on-the-drilling-debate /stories/2012030402520000000#ixzz2qFgilKdx


Even more in the article:

The filmmakers want to avoid their work being labeled as pro-industry propaganda, but support for the project has been strongest among those who want to see just that.
The team's Kickstarter campaign -- meant to ensure that the film is financed by "the 99 percent" and not the wealthy few, Mr. McAleer said -- has been promoted by pro-industry lobbying groups Energy in Depth and the Marcellus Shale Coalition. The average donation is around $60, Mr. McAleer said.
The roster of "executive producers" helping to finance the film includes the director of an Ohio-based oil and gas outreach program and the head of external affairs at Cabot Oil and Gas, the company that's fought accusations of water contamination in Dimock, Pa., for the past several years.



They tried to be real sneaky about it with the Kickstarter campaign but that film is really just propaganda from the fracking industry just like they claim that Matt Damon's movie is propaganda from environmentalists.

Otherwise they wouldn't have members of the fracking industry be "executive producers".
 
2014-01-13 01:14:36 AM
Oooh the outrage.....lol....seriosuly now maybe some americans will begin ...just begin to understand how a few "indians" in Bohpal felt.
 
2014-01-13 03:14:26 AM

Hollie Maea: cretinbob: fusillade762: Is he drinking the Obama water?

[ballotvox.prx.org image 500x333]

If they actually sent that to these people, that would be the greatest troll ever.


There are people complaining that they won't drink Obama water that's been shipped in already. I'm sure it's not labeled like that and comes from stocks that are kept all over in case of emergency, but yeah....that'd be awesome.
 
2014-01-13 03:34:51 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Hollie Maea: Satanic_Hamster: For the life of me, I don't understand why the industry is willing to farkover their long term prospects by covering for the short term profits of a few jagoffs.

That's what industry does, when left to its own devices.

See also: Palmerton, PA.


see Wall st
 
2014-01-13 04:58:51 AM

jmr61: WTF Indeed: It's West Virginia, no one should feel bad for West Virginia.


Stick your ignorance about West Virginia in your ass shiat for brains.

And then go fark yourself.


memecrunch.com
 
2014-01-13 06:02:25 AM

Mrtraveler01: So instead of creating regulations to prevent the little man from getting screwed over, we wait for the little man to get screw over and hope that he wins his lawsuit when he does get screwed over?


Yes. Especially since every regulation created just screws the little man over in different ways.

Regulate everything? You're driving industry and jobs away, you monster.

Use reasonable regulation? Whatever you don't regulate will be used to prove you don't care, by someone younger and prettier than you, and so you are no better than the corporations.

You can cry as much as you want over the fact that somebody needs to be screwed over before the corporations can be accused of screwing anyone over, but it's better than things will be when "social justice" replaces actual justice. Especially after you get old enough to develop ugly wrinkles, and thus become a thought-criminal in the eyes of your fellow Millenials.

/why do the regulations allow ANY arsenic to be in the drinking water, instead of just "less arsenic than present in the air you breathe?"
//not perfect, therefore not fair, therefore I'LL SUE!
 
2014-01-13 06:37:17 AM

broken jebus: First, make him drink the ground water.

Then, have him eat one of the fish from the river:

[ts3.mm.bing.net image 250x172]


Unfortunately, the fish in the Kanawha weren't safe to eat before this happened.
 
2014-01-13 06:52:32 AM

Tatterdemalian: Mrtraveler01: So instead of creating regulations to prevent the little man from getting screwed over, we wait for the little man to get screw over and hope that he wins his lawsuit when he does get screwed over?

Yes. Especially since every regulation created just screws the little man over in different ways.

Regulate everything? You're driving industry and jobs away, you monster.

Use reasonable regulation? Whatever you don't regulate will be used to prove you don't care, by someone younger and prettier than you, and so you are no better than the corporations.

You can cry as much as you want over the fact that somebody needs to be screwed over before the corporations can be accused of screwing anyone over, but it's better than things will be when "social justice" replaces actual justice. Especially after you get old enough to develop ugly wrinkles, and thus become a thought-criminal in the eyes of your fellow Millenials.

/why do the regulations allow ANY arsenic to be in the drinking water, instead of just "less arsenic than present in the air you breathe?"
//not perfect, therefore not fair, therefore I'LL SUE!



Exactly. There's a reason there's no law against TRYING to murder someone. No harm, no foul.

So, obviously we can't "use reasonable regulation." That would be completely unreasonable.

After all, some young pretty person might say stupid things about reasonable regulation, and that would clearly be much worse than whatever supposed harm might result from a lack of reasonable regulation on companies which might occasionally release large amounts of toxic chemicals into the water supply.
 
2014-01-13 07:35:10 AM

Cpl.D: Is it going to take people being killed before the righties see a valid reason for some industry regulation?


You're kidding, right?  Dead workers don't dent your true wingnut's worldview, they reinforce it.

I take it you missed that Fox talking head right after that big Bangladeshi factory fire?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/charles-payne-bangladesh-fi re _n_2199557.html
 
2014-01-13 07:59:21 AM
Man, I grew up in West Virginia and the butthurt on my Facebook wall over all this is magnificent.  Look, there's plenty of infrastructure shipping in bottled water for you to drink, and West Virginia is full of filterable water sources that aren't connected to the Elk River.  You can't take a shower and your favorite restaurant is closed.  BFD.

/ It does suck for the businesses that depend on clean tap water, but regular people seem to be getting their pitchforks out over something that amounts to little more than an inconvenience.
 
2014-01-13 08:57:23 AM

serial_crusher: Man, I grew up in West Virginia and the butthurt on my Facebook wall over all this is magnificent.  Look, there's plenty of infrastructure shipping in bottled water for you to drink, and West Virginia is full of filterable water sources that aren't connected to the Elk River.  You can't take a shower and your favorite restaurant is closed.  BFD.

/ It does suck for the businesses that depend on clean tap water, but regular people seem to be getting their pitchforks out over something that amounts to little more than an inconvenience.


www.mindhuestudio.com
 
2014-01-13 10:00:17 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Tatterdemalian: Mrtraveler01: So instead of creating regulations to prevent the little man from getting screwed over, we wait for the little man to get screw over and hope that he wins his lawsuit when he does get screwed over?

Yes. Especially since every regulation created just screws the little man over in different ways.

Regulate everything? You're driving industry and jobs away, you monster.

Use reasonable regulation? Whatever you don't regulate will be used to prove you don't care, by someone younger and prettier than you, and so you are no better than the corporations.

You can cry as much as you want over the fact that somebody needs to be screwed over before the corporations can be accused of screwing anyone over, but it's better than things will be when "social justice" replaces actual justice. Especially after you get old enough to develop ugly wrinkles, and thus become a thought-criminal in the eyes of your fellow Millenials.

/why do the regulations allow ANY arsenic to be in the drinking water, instead of just "less arsenic than present in the air you breathe?"
//not perfect, therefore not fair, therefore I'LL SUE!


Exactly. There's a reason there's no law against TRYING to murder someone. No harm, no foul.

So, obviously we can't "use reasonable regulation." That would be completely unreasonable.

After all, some young pretty person might say stupid things about reasonable regulation, and that would clearly be much worse than whatever supposed harm might result from a lack of reasonable regulation on companies which might occasionally release large amounts of toxic chemicals into the water supply.


I simply love the implication that all current regulation is unreasonable and what will save us is reasonable regulation.

/we should sue reason
 
2014-01-13 01:08:42 PM

Mrbogey: yakmans_dad: /Libertarians never factor in the power of bribing public officials.

The anti-Libertarian believes that politicians can be bribed by corporations BUT if we give those same politicians tons of powers they'll magically become immune to bribery.


A completely imaginary position.
 
2014-01-13 04:50:57 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: And my boyfriend went to school in Alma


What years for highschool? I may know 'em. Also, I grew up knowing up the St. Louis superfund site and the pbb contamination, maybe because of the close proximity.
 
2014-01-13 11:02:04 PM

Mrtraveler01: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: The irony is that Matt Damon made a movie financed in part by anti-fracking oil sheiks while Fracknation received no funding from fracking corps.

No, just money from people in the fracking industry.

The film, however, is being partially funded through donations on the Kickstarter website, and the roster of "executive producers" who have donated at least $1 includes scores of energy industry associates.

http://www.post-gazette.com/business/businessnews/2012/03/04/Industr y- gets-cast-in-FrackNation-the-latest-documentary-on-the-drilling-debate /stories/2012030402520000000#ixzz2qFgilKdx

Even more in the article:

The filmmakers want to avoid their work being labeled as pro-industry propaganda, but support for the project has been strongest among those who want to see just that.
The team's Kickstarter campaign -- meant to ensure that the film is financed by "the 99 percent" and not the wealthy few, Mr. McAleer said -- has been promoted by pro-industry lobbying groups Energy in Depth and the Marcellus Shale Coalition. The average donation is around $60, Mr. McAleer said.
The roster of "executive producers" helping to finance the film includes the director of an Ohio-based oil and gas outreach program and the head of external affairs at Cabot Oil and Gas, the company that's fought accusations of water contamination in Dimock, Pa., for the past several years.


They tried to be real sneaky about it with the Kickstarter campaign but that film is really just propaganda from the fracking industry just like they claim that Matt Damon's movie is propaganda from environmentalists.

Otherwise they wouldn't have members of the fracking industry be "executive producers".


Allow me to tear apart your nonsense. Firstly, anyone who donated got credit on it so it's not as if they're bankrolling it by getting a producer credit. You're talking literally scores upon scores of people Second of all, they returned money from executives at fracking corps. Third, there's nothing wrong with taking money from learned folks in an industry. Only a retard would say that people who are experts in a field should stay out of an argument about that field.

The biggest bit of your nonsense is that there's some subtle propaganda. The interesting thing here is Fracknation was entirely accurate and well documented in its claims. Gasland however turned out to be a sack of lies as exposed by Fracknation. It's precisely why the nonsense about it being funded by fracking companies is the only real thing thrown out against it. Liars like Fox won't even address his debunked claims and instead keeps repeating them to audiences of rubes who enjoy being lied to.

Matt Damon's movie is a dishonest lying turd bankrolled by oil sheiks who know that anti-fracking activists are certifiable morons. Yes, they banked on anti-frackers being as dumb as dogshiat and they won that bet. They bet that if they made up whole cloth a bunch of lies about water wells being pristine before fracking but undrinkable after, that dumb as dirt folks would believe it without actually looking at any evidence.

Science isn't really the forte of a great many humans. If only the anti-frackers had even the lowest level of common sense that would cause them to at least shut their damn mouths about something they don't know anything about instead of going forth proudly in ignorance.
 
2014-01-13 11:40:54 PM
I realize it was an accident, and I don't blame "big coal". That being said, the tank that leaked was over fifty years old and no inspections were required, Freedom didn't report the spill until DEP was already calling them about it, And as soon as the story broke, Coal companies went into high gear minimizing their relationship to the story and poo-pooing anyone who said it was a big deal. There's a lot that's crappy about the whole situation.

/ especially the fact that I still can't shower
// and my house smells like licorice
 
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