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2014-01-12 07:51:44 PM  

doglover: No, the COAL industry does that.

There's been actual shooting wars fought, with a plane dropping bombs on American citizens, over the abuses the average man suffers at the hand of the coal industry.


That doesn't account for election results.  The coal industry absolutely does wage a propaganda war, but they aren't the ones pulling the lever on election day.
 
2014-01-12 07:53:49 PM  

Mrbogey: Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.


Or, you know, sell their product in a market halfway around the world that doesn't care. Globalism sort of dissipated the last shreds of illusion that the free market would ever regulate businesses in an economy larger than a village in scale.
 
2014-01-12 07:57:14 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Dougie AXP: Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: d23: Most of the West Virginia citizenry continue to felate the big coal machine.  It's quite incredible to behold... the corporate worship is just amazing.  "Please, please mista, go ahead and poison our water.  We need our jerbs!"

Thing is?  Most of West Virginia HATES coal, even the coal workers.  They hate management and they hate the industry for killing their brother/father/uncle.  It's a bit bizarre.

But they are good with their propaganda.

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Oh yea there are some good ones along the PA turnpike...

like "wind dies. sun sets."

and my personal favorite:

"YOUR TAX DOLLARS SUBSIDIZE WIND ENERGY" to which I want to put a billboard that says "...and also oil, coal, and natural gas. What's your point?"

I've seen those too when I'm back there. And now it looks like the Fracking Industry is trying to copy them and their propaganda too so now PA gets double the entertaining billboards.


I just drove Philly to Pittsburgh today. I didn't see any Fracking ones. Now that the "gold rush" has calmed down, people aren't getting uppity as much.
 
2014-01-12 07:57:29 PM  

Hollie Maea: doglover: No, the COAL industry does that.

There's been actual shooting wars fought, with a plane dropping bombs on American citizens, over the abuses the average man suffers at the hand of the coal industry.

That doesn't account for election results.  The coal industry absolutely does wage a propaganda war, but they aren't the ones pulling the lever on election day.


Poison Gas.

They used poison gas.

The US government used poison gas on it's own citizens to protect the interests of mining companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
 
2014-01-12 08:03:50 PM  

Skunkwolf: Hollie Maea: doglover: No, the COAL industry does that.

There's been actual shooting wars fought, with a plane dropping bombs on American citizens, over the abuses the average man suffers at the hand of the coal industry.

That doesn't account for election results.  The coal industry absolutely does wage a propaganda war, but they aren't the ones pulling the lever on election day.

Poison Gas.

They used poison gas.

The US government used poison gas on it's own citizens to protect the interests of mining companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain


That shiat is farked up.  Jesus Christ.
 
2014-01-12 08:06:17 PM  

Dougie AXP: I just drove Philly to Pittsburgh today. I didn't see any Fracking ones. Now that the "gold rush" has calmed down, people aren't getting uppity as much.


I think the industry in PA has realized that the more they keep fracking in people's minds, the more they'll have negative consequences of it.
 
2014-01-12 08:07:10 PM  
Obama isn't killing coal, the free market is. Deregulation of frakking and the rising popularity of green energy is making the difficult and expensive to obtain coal a lot, lot less desirable. Obama is just a convenient scapegoat because people would rather believe he's a malicious boogeyman out to kill their job as opposed to a changing market that their not keeping up with.
 
2014-01-12 08:07:31 PM  

Skunkwolf: Hollie Maea: doglover: No, the COAL industry does that.

There's been actual shooting wars fought, with a plane dropping bombs on American citizens, over the abuses the average man suffers at the hand of the coal industry.

That doesn't account for election results.  The coal industry absolutely does wage a propaganda war, but they aren't the ones pulling the lever on election day.

Poison Gas.

They used poison gas.

The US government used poison gas on it's own citizens to protect the interests of mining companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain


Now we just send our children to the meat grinder over seas.
 
2014-01-12 08:07:43 PM  

Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.


The molecules all have the company logo stamped on them so you know where the pollution is coming from.
 
2014-01-12 08:08:31 PM  
No Marco Rubio gifs?
 
2014-01-12 08:11:19 PM  

Hollie Maea: Skunkwolf: Hollie Maea: doglover: No, the COAL industry does that.

There's been actual shooting wars fought, with a plane dropping bombs on American citizens, over the abuses the average man suffers at the hand of the coal industry.

That doesn't account for election results.  The coal industry absolutely does wage a propaganda war, but they aren't the ones pulling the lever on election day.

Poison Gas.

They used poison gas.

The US government used poison gas on it's own citizens to protect the interests of mining companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

That shiat is farked up.  Jesus Christ.


Yeah. You should read your history books.
 
2014-01-12 08:12:04 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Dougie AXP: I just drove Philly to Pittsburgh today. I didn't see any Fracking ones. Now that the "gold rush" has calmed down, people aren't getting uppity as much.

I think the industry in PA has realized that the more they keep fracking in people's minds, the more they'll have negative consequences of it.


I can't imagine living in that area.
 
2014-01-12 08:13:33 PM  
 
2014-01-12 08:14:54 PM  

optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.


I hear that sales are indeed down.
 
2014-01-12 08:24:13 PM  

berylman: I am so glad this article identified the chemical in question, 4-methylcyclohexane methanol.  I saw a 30 minute report on this last night that covered every angle except saying what the toxin was.  Having a chemical background I was going apeshiat with the glaring hole in the reporting.


That hole in the reporting isn't really filled, because apparently nobody knows anything about that chemical, and chemists everywhere are baffled by the name, which doesn't conform to any IUPAC standard.  (4-methylcyclohexyl)methanol or 1-hydroxy-4-methylcyclohexane would be more appropriate.
 
2014-01-12 08:29:10 PM  

Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business. be farked because the shell company which owns the offending party would fold up, and the owners would reopen in a different area under a new shell company with new management and fark up another community. They'd never be held accountable and the citizenry would be completely outmaneuvered over and over again.



FTFY

This is just one of many ways (others have pointed out some more earlier in the thread) that the libertarian fantasy simply fails when practically implemented. It would be a dystopian world filled with the rich stomping on the rest of society forever.
 
2014-01-12 08:29:57 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: peacheslatour: GRCooper: As a southern Gary I'm getting a kick ...

/any problem y'all have with West Virginia is with the people - the area is, objectively, chock full of stunning natural beauty

My parents were married in the Shenandoah Valley and said it was some of the most beautiful country they'd ever seen.  Also said they couldn't wait to get out of there.

The Shenandoah River Valley is in Virginia.


And does pass through West Virginia.  It must not have gotten the memo.
 
2014-01-12 08:32:06 PM  

fusillade762: Mrtraveler01: Znuh: Looking at Freedom's storage tanks, you'd think they'd never even seen routine maintenance.

Why bother maintaining them if they aren't going to be inspected?

http://www.ibtimes.com/freedom-industries-meet-chemical-provider-cen te r-west-virginia-chemical-spill-1536036

According to NBC, who spoke to the state Department of Environmental Protection, Freedom Industries is exempt from DEP inspection because it only stores chemicals and does not produce them, despite the Freedom Industries website claiming they are producers. It is unclear whether or not the Etowah River Terminal facility does produce chemicals or is only a storage facility.

Kanwaha County Commission President Kent Carper said yesterday that a containment wall meant to prevent chemicals from reaching soil at Freedom Industries was in need of $1 million in repairs, but was never fixed.

Lovely.


Mass can't be created.    The chemicals have always existed they just store them together in mixing tanks.
 
2014-01-12 08:33:34 PM  

Aquapope: Take a look at the MSDS for 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol.

Does it cause cancer?  We don't know.
Does it cause birth defects?  We don't know.
Does it explode?  We don't know.
Does it screw up your DNA?  We don't know.
Does it make you cough, or give you a rash, or burn your eyes?  We don't know.

Well, I didn't see a YES answer in there, so by all means lets let this crap out into the big wide world all reckless-like.  Absolutely nothing could go wrong.


The article I read this morning stated at the beginning that they didn't know, but at the end that they (the Army Corps of Engineers) were waiting until it was diluted to .1 part/million.
 
2014-01-12 08:36:34 PM  
Freedom is owned by the mega-rich Koch brothers FYI.
/living through the Aquapolypse in one of the affected counties
//Charleston PR firm has dropped Freedom  as a client after the Southern fiasco
 
2014-01-12 08:37:27 PM  

Bondith: That hole in the reporting isn't really filled, because apparently nobody knows anything about that chemical, and chemists everywhere are baffled by the name, which doesn't conform to any IUPAC standard.  (4-methylcyclohexyl)methanol or 1-hydroxy-4-methylcyclohexane would be more appropriate.


Curses! You figured it out. They thought that was an unbreakable code.

But it's "clean coal." And "freedom fracking."
 
2014-01-12 08:39:37 PM  
Super boobs will shut this dumb ass up.


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2014-01-12 08:39:58 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Satanic_Hamster: Dougie AXP: I just drove Philly to Pittsburgh today. I didn't see any Fracking ones. Now that the "gold rush" has calmed down, people aren't getting uppity as much.

I think the industry in PA has realized that the more they keep fracking in people's minds, the more they'll have negative consequences of it.

I can't imagine living in that area.


And here's the thing; PA is VERY friendly to heavy industry.  They're been a coal/steel/rail/manufacturing state for 150 years.  It's VERY ingrained in the people's mind.

And THEY'RE turning against fracking.  THAT'S how badly fracking has farked up in PA.

Said it before years ago:  fracking is a very useful, economic, powerful technique that the industry is going to get banned by total incompetent and overuse and by mindless covering of their reckless members.  For the life of me, I don't understand why the industry is willing to farkover their long term prospects by covering for the short term profits of a few jagoffs.
 
2014-01-12 08:41:05 PM  

squealie: //Charleston PR firm has dropped Freedom  as a client after the Southern fiasco


It takes a lot to make Tony Hayward look competent in comparison and Gary Southern managed to do it with that disaster of a press conference.

Southern: "It's been a long day and I don't want to be here, can I go now?
Media: "We haven't even begun to start asking the hard hitting questions we want you to answer"

The drinking the water bottle during the press conference, was just another dick move.
 
2014-01-12 08:42:54 PM  

underwhere: GRCooper: As a southern Gary I'm getting a kick ...

/any problem y'all have with West Virginia is with the people - the area is, objectively, chock full of stunning natural beauty

Holy crap, yes. I went on a cross-country road trip a few years back and the only place that really floored me was West Virginia. I'd up and move there if it weren't for the people.


The place I want to live is Highland county VA. It's right on the WVA line (about halfway down the VA/WVA line, the part that juts into WVA west of Staunton VA).

It's the highest average elevation for any county east of the Mississippi as well as the lowest population - 2k for the entire county.

Beautiful area

/also the source for both the Potomac and James rivers
//there's a nice place with 700 acres for $1.2 million I have my eye on
///almost there - only about $1.2 million to go ...
 
2014-01-12 08:43:20 PM  
sdd2000:

Cue the Texas politicians who will invite them to move to Texas with Texas's lower regulations

www.txstate.edu

/ you ain't from around here, are ya boy ...
 
2014-01-12 08:43:56 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Said it before years ago:  fracking is a very useful, economic, powerful technique that the industry is going to get banned by total incompetent and overuse and by mindless covering of their reckless members.  For the life of me, I don't understand why the industry is willing to farkover their long term prospects by covering for the short term profits of a few jagoffs.


I'm not sure where/why you're confused?
 
2014-01-12 08:44:39 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Said it before years ago:  fracking is a very useful, economic, powerful technique that the industry is going to get banned by total incompetent and overuse and by mindless covering of their reckless members.  For the life of me, I don't understand why the industry is willing to farkover their long term prospects by covering for the short term profits of a few jagoffs.


Because like other companies, they can't look beyond the short-term.

It baffles me too. I don't see how keeping everything top secret is supposed to win people over who are skeptical of your practices. No matter how many fluffy commercials companies like Range Resources put out, doesn't change the fact that they dick around with the State of PA as well as local governments to keep from disclosing anything about what they actually do.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/440/game-chan ge r
 
2014-01-12 08:48:48 PM  
How are they bathing/showering? How are they washing their clothes, etc.? You can cook with bottled water but the rest?

EWWWWWWWWWW


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2014-01-12 08:56:42 PM  

Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.


Oh no. In libertarian paradise there is no such legal term for tort. it's every man for himself. the public would have to exact their revenge with guns ,pitchforks and torches.
 
2014-01-12 08:56:57 PM  

doglover: Yeah. You should read your history books.


I've read it before.  It doesn't really change any of my arguments though.
 
2014-01-12 08:59:56 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: For the life of me, I don't understand why the industry is willing to farkover their long term prospects by covering for the short term profits of a few jagoffs.


That's what industry does, when left to its own devices.
 
2014-01-12 09:02:59 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Oh no. In libertarian paradise there is no such legal term for tort. it's every man for himself. the public would have to exact their revenge with guns ,pitchforks and torches.


Any time you talk to a libertarian and you ask them questions about how their system would deal with various real world situations, eventually they end up describing a system essentially the same as what we currently have in the United States.
 
2014-01-12 09:06:22 PM  

Skunkwolf: The US government used poison gas on it's own citizens to protect the interests of mining companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain


From the link it was the coal company using gas and dropping bombs, but still. Yikes.

Thanks for the link, I did not know about that.
 
2014-01-12 09:07:54 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: JoieD'Zen: Satanic_Hamster: Dougie AXP: I just drove Philly to Pittsburgh today. I didn't see any Fracking ones. Now that the "gold rush" has calmed down, people aren't getting uppity as much.

I think the industry in PA has realized that the more they keep fracking in people's minds, the more they'll have negative consequences of it.

I can't imagine living in that area.

And here's the thing; PA is VERY friendly to heavy industry.  They're been a coal/steel/rail/manufacturing state for 150 years.  It's VERY ingrained in the people's mind.

And THEY'RE turning against fracking.  THAT'S how badly fracking has farked up in PA.

Said it before years ago:  fracking is a very useful, economic, powerful technique that the industry is going to get banned by total incompetent and overuse and by mindless covering of their reckless members.  For the life of me, I don't understand why the industry is willing to farkover their long term prospects by covering for the short term profits of a few jagoffs.


I could say so much.
I have sincere hopes that all the people affected by this debacle .are safe and healthy.
I wish I could help more.
Their lives have been destroyed, as well as the lives of future generations.
There is NO excuse for this negligence and gross disregard for consequences; NONE.

Btw - In PA you can't buy  6 pack or weed, right?
 
2014-01-12 09:10:52 PM  

squealie: Freedom is owned by the mega-rich Koch brothers FYI.
/living through the Aquapolypse in one of the affected counties
//Charleston PR firm has dropped Freedom  as a client after the Southern fiasco


They probably also own a company that makes bottled water from one last clean well somewhere, so it is all good for them, plus the water will probably be transported on their train and/or truck lines. Double plus good.
 
2014-01-12 09:15:04 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Satanic_Hamster: JoieD'Zen: Satanic_Hamster: Dougie AXP: I just drove Philly to Pittsburgh today. I didn't see any Fracking ones. Now that the "gold rush" has calmed down, people aren't getting uppity as much.

I think the industry in PA has realized that the more they keep fracking in people's minds, the more they'll have negative consequences of it.

I can't imagine living in that area.

And here's the thing; PA is VERY friendly to heavy industry.  They're been a coal/steel/rail/manufacturing state for 150 years.  It's VERY ingrained in the people's mind.

And THEY'RE turning against fracking.  THAT'S how badly fracking has farked up in PA.

Said it before years ago:  fracking is a very useful, economic, powerful technique that the industry is going to get banned by total incompetent and overuse and by mindless covering of their reckless members.  For the life of me, I don't understand why the industry is willing to farkover their long term prospects by covering for the short term profits of a few jagoffs.

I could say so much.
I have sincere hopes that all the people affected by this debacle .are safe and healthy.
I wish I could help more.
Their lives have been destroyed, as well as the lives of future generations.
There is NO excuse for this negligence and gross disregard for consequences; NONE.

Btw - In PA you can't buy  6 pack or weed, right?


PA Ain't turning against fracking. If anything the states DEP is at the forefront of regulations for the industry. And the heavy hitters, ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron etc are playing ball because they can afford to and it forces the other smaller to middle size companies (i.e. the ones who royally fark shiat up) out.

The difference is: PA (most of PA anyway) is what we call "Dry Gas" as in, its almost all Methane and Water. Knock out the water and boom straight into pipeline.

The price of gas right now is driving focus towards plays that produce oil as well as NG. So thats why North Dakota is booming.

PA Fracking isn't going anywhere. It's just on the backburner now that the original leases are coming to production and rig counts are moving elsewhere.
 
2014-01-12 09:24:04 PM  

squealie: Freedom is owned by the mega-rich Koch brothers FYI.
/living through the Aquapolypse in one of the affected counties
//Charleston PR firm has dropped Freedom  as a client after the Southern fiasco


They will be out of business in three months.   The PR firm, I mean. Freedom will change names and carry on with Koch brothers protection.
 
2014-01-12 09:25:33 PM  
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2014-01-12 09:26:45 PM  

TheGogmagog: Freedom will change names and carry on with Koch brothers protection.


Coming soon: LIBERTY CHEMICALS.
 
2014-01-12 09:34:20 PM  

a particular individual: If Freedom Industries didn't pollute the water, some other company would. You can't legislate responsibility. None of the Marxists complaining about this see the irony that they're using computers/iPads/smart phones which would be impossible without oil. All you worshipers of Al Gore just want to make the rest of us live in caves and outlaw the internal combustion engine while Al Gore's carbon footprint stamps on a human face--forever.


Grrrr, you exposed our communist hippie plot to destroy all modern technology and force people to wipe themselves with leaves! By Saten I shall defeat all the real true Americans and usher in a Stalinist dystopia grrrrr.
 
2014-01-12 09:37:05 PM  

RandomRandom: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

Felgraf: Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.

Assuming, of course, the aggrieved can A) Prove damages (How do you know your sickness was caused by our chemical? Our chemical isn't KNOWN to cause any sicknesses, so you'd better prove it was our chemical that made you sick!) B) Have enough money to withstand the lengthy court battle as the company likely has faaarr deeper pockets to afford lawyers that can throw up roadblock after roablock.

And even if damage is proved, companies often file for bankruptcy so avoid paying for anything close to the damage they've caused.  A new company emerging from the bankrupt one, often run by the same people.

That, in a nutshell is why the anti-regulation portion of libertarianism is so naive.

Without regulation, individuals going up against a large corporations is like an average guy going up against an NFL football team.  Governments and regulation are the equalizer.



For instance, read up on the bullshiat that the WV victims of the coal industry's Buffalo Creek disaster were faced with in trying to get some compensation from the company. And that's practically a best-case scenario, compared to how the current contamination situation would play out in a libertarian environment.

/ideally a libertarian system should feature strong labor/consumer orgs to take up some of the slack... bwahahaha, yeah
 
2014-01-12 09:38:17 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: d23: Most of the West Virginia citizenry continue to felate the big coal machine.  It's quite incredible to behold... the corporate worship is just amazing.  "Please, please mista, go ahead and poison our water.  We need our jerbs!"

Thing is?  Most of West Virginia HATES coal, even the coal workers.  They hate management and they hate the industry for killing their brother/father/uncle.  It's a bit bizarre.

But they are good with their propaganda.

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Reminds me of former Soviet Union.....
 
2014-01-12 09:41:40 PM  
He could go work in the Christie administration.
 
2014-01-12 09:45:53 PM  

propasaurus: I want to punch him just for "Freedom Industries."


They are in the news right now for freeing chemicals.  What more could you want?
 
2014-01-12 09:47:12 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: For the life of me, I don't understand why the industry is willing to farkover their long term prospects by covering for the short term profits of a few jagoffs.


Because it isn't their problem, or at least it won't be by the time they've collected their bonuses for the short term profits and jumped ship to start a consulting firm somewhere else.
 
2014-01-12 09:49:14 PM  
Southern said his company seeks to be transparent in its handling of the situation.

Southern did not spend much time responding to reporters' questions. When pressed for specifics, he repeatedly attempted to end the press conference.


Off to a good start with that transparency stuff
 
2014-01-12 09:58:19 PM  

jaytkay: Skunkwolf: The US government used poison gas on it's own citizens to protect the interests of mining companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

From the link it was the coal company using gas and dropping bombs, but still. Yikes.

Thanks for the link, I did not know about that.


This  is a bit dry, but it explains the governments role a little more.
This isn't a bad choice for movie night sometime.
 
2014-01-12 10:05:49 PM  

d23: Which is exactly why the constant attacks on the EPA. The EPA hardly does anything anymore. The constant attacks are laughable.


That left attacks the EPA for not doing enough.  The right attacks the EPA for even existing.

Water testing is typically the job of localities, and many municipal water providers don't give a fark.  No direct EPA involvement.    The answer is not less regulation, but somewhat more.   It would be nice to put some real consequences on municipalities that failing the public, as happened here.

That this spill was only found because residents noticed a licorice smell in their water is a travesty.
 
2014-01-12 10:08:51 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Said it before years ago: fracking is a very useful, economic, powerful technique that the industry is going to get banned by total incompetent and overuse and by mindless covering of their reckless members.


That's the sad thing. This technique could make the United States self-sufficient in energy for a while, and make a lot of people a lot of money even if they played by the rules and did things clean. But the dumbfarks have decided that the best way to deal with flammable water coming out of kitchen faucets is to circle the wagons and clam up.
 
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