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(WCHS Charleston)   CEO Gary Southern sips bottled water while attempting to dodge hot, persistent reporter's fluid questions about Freedom Industries poisoning the water of 300,000 in W. Va. Gulp   (wchstv.com) divider line 187
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2014-01-12 07:02:40 PM  

Mike_1962: a particular individual: If Freedom Industries didn't pollute the water, some other company would. You can't legislate responsibility. None of the Marxists complaining about this see the irony that they're using computers/iPads/smart phones which would be impossible without oil. All you worshipers of Al Gore just want to make the rest of us live in caves and outlaw the internal combustion engine while Al Gore's carbon footprint stamps on a human face--forever.

Go live in Love Canal...


Huh huh. Love canal.
epguides.com
 
2014-01-12 07:03:39 PM  

WTFDYW: He does look punchable. But then again, he is under SOME stress.

/he's really, really sorry.


I know, that was so mean of the media to not let him go and instead ask him more hard-hitting questions.

/he REALLY did not want to be there
 
2014-01-12 07:03:53 PM  

Felgraf: Assuming, of course, the aggrieved can A) Prove damages (How do you know your sickness was caused by our chemical? Our chemical isn't KNOWN to cause any sicknesses, so you'd better prove it was our chemical that made you sick!) B) Have enough money to withstand the lengthy court battle as the company likely has faaarr deeper pockets to afford lawyers that can throw up roadblock after roablock.


Also assuming judges are actually impartial. It may be fiction(kinda based on a truish story) but the Appeal by John Grisham is a great example on why judges should be appointed and not elected.
 
2014-01-12 07:05:33 PM  

Felgraf: Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.

Assuming, of course, the aggrieved can A) Prove damages (How do you know your sickness was caused by our chemical? Our chemical isn't KNOWN to cause any sicknesses, so you'd better prove it was our chemical that made you sick!) B) Have enough money to withstand the lengthy court battle as the company likely has faaarr deeper pockets to afford lawyers that can throw up roadblock after roablock.


Don't forget that many of the same people that are pushing deregulation are also pushing for tort reform.  So, even if you can prove damages, and you can win in court, you'll only get a pittance.
 
2014-01-12 07:06:36 PM  

WTF Indeed: It's West Virginia, no one should feel bad for West Virginia.


Part of me wants to agree, but then most of the residents are doing their best to keep a job and a home.   They are likely contagiously stupid, but at least it is contained and less likely to spread.
 
2014-01-12 07:07:45 PM  

organizmx: I'm sure plenty of West Virginians would rather die from drinking contaminated water than have a government agency like the EPA getting all involved in their lives to clean it up.

/another red state racing to the bottom


And what makes you think that?

Have you ever been to West Virginia?

Beautiful place, nice people, horribly poor for the most part.

I wouldn't say they're all as crazy or dumb as you may think.  Some of them may be worse.
 
2014-01-12 07:08:06 PM  
At least Freedom Industries owned up, accepted the blame, and did something about it. Unlike Obama, who has yet to apologize for ordering the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, ordering the IRS to spy on Americans, and ordering Solyndra to take a $500-billion government handout, knowing they would go out of business.
 
2014-01-12 07:10:36 PM  

a particular individual: At least Freedom Industries owned up, accepted the blame, and did something about it. Unlike Obama, who has yet to apologize for ordering the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, ordering the IRS to spy on Americans, and ordering Solyndra to take a $500-billion government handout, knowing they would go out of business.


Someone has been reading too many comment sections on Christie and this story.
 
2014-01-12 07:12:09 PM  
organizmx /another red state racing to the bottom

So with all the blue states down there now it'll be purple?
http://greatlakesecho.org/2010/06/04/poisoning-michigan-an-author-re vi sits-the-most-widespread-contamination-30-years-later/

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2012/04/24/lake-erie-ranks-in-nat io n's-top-50-for-carcinogens-dumped-into-water/
 
2014-01-12 07:12:09 PM  

Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.


You don't understand. That's the explanation. Then, the "libertarians" get Congress to cut off access to the courts in the name of "tort reform."

/Libertarians never factor in the power of bribing public officials.
 
2014-01-12 07:12:35 PM  

Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.


Meanwhile, here in the real world they're serving a ginormous market far far away. If that's the case, then screw those hillbillies. Those chemicals ain't gonna sprout legs and walk to China.
 
2014-01-12 07:13:29 PM  

Mrtraveler01: a particular individual: At least Freedom Industries owned up, accepted the blame, and did something about it. Unlike Obama, who has yet to apologize for ordering the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, ordering the IRS to spy on Americans, and ordering Solyndra to take a $500-billion government handout, knowing they would go out of business.

Someone has been reading too many comment sections on Christie and this story.


Can anyone read too many of those comments?
 
2014-01-12 07:14:57 PM  

a particular individual: Mrtraveler01: a particular individual: At least Freedom Industries owned up, accepted the blame, and did something about it. Unlike Obama, who has yet to apologize for ordering the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, ordering the IRS to spy on Americans, and ordering Solyndra to take a $500-billion government handout, knowing they would go out of business.

Someone has been reading too many comment sections on Christie and this story.

Can anyone read too many of those comments?


While maintaining faith in humanity? Yes.
 
2014-01-12 07:15:01 PM  

Mrtraveler01: a particular individual: At least Freedom Industries owned up, accepted the blame, and did something about it. Unlike Obama, who has yet to apologize for ordering the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, ordering the IRS to spy on Americans, and ordering Solyndra to take a $500-billion government handout, knowing they would go out of business.

Someone has been reading too many comment sections on Christie and this story.


Someone else just got trolled.
 
2014-01-12 07:16:00 PM  

optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.


Who even knows what they sell?
 
2014-01-12 07:17:02 PM  

peacheslatour: HotIgneous Intruder: peacheslatour: GRCooper: As a southern Gary I'm getting a kick ...

/any problem y'all have with West Virginia is with the people - the area is, objectively, chock full of stunning natural beauty

My parents were married in the Shenandoah Valley and said it was some of the most beautiful country they'd ever seen.  Also said they couldn't wait to get out of there.

The Shenandoah River Valley is in Virginia.

Also eastern WV.


Not really the pretty part.
 
2014-01-12 07:17:07 PM  

Ambivalence: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

Who even knows what they sell?


No one will ever know, if the mainstream liberal media keep suppressing that information.
 
2014-01-12 07:18:07 PM  

Mrtraveler01: a particular individual: Mrtraveler01: a particular individual: At least Freedom Industries owned up, accepted the blame, and did something about it. Unlike Obama, who has yet to apologize for ordering the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, ordering the IRS to spy on Americans, and ordering Solyndra to take a $500-billion government handout, knowing they would go out of business.

Someone has been reading too many comment sections on Christie and this story.

Can anyone read too many of those comments?

While maintaining faith in humanity? Yes.


A good dose of Ayn Rand should snap them out of it.
 
2014-01-12 07:21:03 PM  
But I thought Business would police itself? Just like pulling Glass-Steagall, there's a reason the regulation was put there in the first place. Looking at Freedom's storage tanks, you'd think they'd never even seen routine maintenance.
 
2014-01-12 07:22:17 PM  

Ambivalence: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

Who even knows what they sell?


Here's something interesting http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/11/1268990/-Freedom-Industries- H as-Ties-to-Koch-Brothers
 
2014-01-12 07:23:59 PM  
Take a look at the MSDS for 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol.

Does it cause cancer?  We don't know.
Does it cause birth defects?  We don't know.
Does it explode?  We don't know.
Does it screw up your DNA?  We don't know.
Does it make you cough, or give you a rash, or burn your eyes?  We don't know.

Well, I didn't see a YES answer in there, so by all means lets let this crap out into the big wide world all reckless-like.  Absolutely nothing could go wrong.
 
2014-01-12 07:25:58 PM  

skinink: Imagine what really horrible stuff would be happening if we had smaller government.


You don't have to imagine. Google the Love Canal.
 
2014-01-12 07:27:22 PM  

d23: Most of the West Virginia citizenry continue to felate the big coal machine.  It's quite incredible to behold... the corporate worship is just amazing.  "Please, please mista, go ahead and poison our water.  We need our jerbs!"


Thing is?  Most of West Virginia HATES coal, even the coal workers.  They hate management and they hate the industry for killing their brother/father/uncle.  It's a bit bizarre.
 
2014-01-12 07:28:19 PM  

Hollie Maea: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

Sure, if you Hate Freedom (TM), and you want to wage a War On Coal (TM).


I'm good with that.
 
2014-01-12 07:28:31 PM  

Znuh: Looking at Freedom's storage tanks, you'd think they'd never even seen routine maintenance.


Why bother maintaining them if they aren't going to be inspected?

http://www.ibtimes.com/freedom-industries-meet-chemical-provider-cen te r-west-virginia-chemical-spill-1536036

According to NBC, who spoke to the state Department of Environmental Protection, Freedom Industries is exempt from DEP inspection because it only stores chemicals and does not produce them, despite the Freedom Industries website claiming they are producers. It is unclear whether or not the Etowah River Terminal facility does produce chemicals or is only a storage facility.

Kanwaha County Commission President Kent Carper said yesterday that a containment wall meant to prevent chemicals from reaching soil at Freedom Industries was in need of $1 million in repairs, but was never fixed.
 
2014-01-12 07:28:37 PM  

fluffy2097: Google the Love Canal.


NSFW.
 
2014-01-12 07:28:41 PM  

fluffy2097: You don't have to imagine. Google the Love Canal.


You mean Google, which uses petroleum and technology created entirely by the entrepreneurs and capitalism that the far-left Marxists hate so much?
 
2014-01-12 07:29:39 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: d23: Most of the West Virginia citizenry continue to felate the big coal machine.  It's quite incredible to behold... the corporate worship is just amazing.  "Please, please mista, go ahead and poison our water.  We need our jerbs!"

Thing is?  Most of West Virginia HATES coal, even the coal workers.  They hate management and they hate the industry for killing their brother/father/uncle.  It's a bit bizarre.


And yet they punish any political figure who even talks about raising a finger against the coal industry.
 
2014-01-12 07:29:49 PM  

Savoir-Faire: Someone else just got trolled.


Shhh!
 
2014-01-12 07:29:50 PM  
 
2014-01-12 07:30:14 PM  

GRCooper: As a southern Gary I'm getting a kick ...

/any problem y'all have with West Virginia is with the people - the area is, objectively, chock full of stunning natural beauty


Holy crap, yes. I went on a cross-country road trip a few years back and the only place that really floored me was West Virginia. I'd up and move there if it weren't for the people.
 
2014-01-12 07:30:32 PM  
Meh.
My town (Des Moines, Iowa) went over 30 days with no running water back in '93
/get off my lawn.
 
2014-01-12 07:31:10 PM  

Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.


Yeah, in fairness, a free market/libertarian system would require courts that is empowered to force Freedom Industries to compensate people for the damage done to them by this spill. If someone had water rights here (and if no private party does, presumably, the state does), there's a shiatton of money that should be paid out.

In practice, our system will almost certainly let them off with far, far less than that. They *are* getting a subsidy, in that regard.
 
2014-01-12 07:31:16 PM  
Is it going to take people being killed before the righties see a valid reason for some industry regulation?
 
2014-01-12 07:31:46 PM  
I've got family in WV (Logan County, in the heart of coal country), and while it is a naturally stunning state, some towns look like a former Soviet republic. Granted, that statement could apply to most of Appalachia.
 
2014-01-12 07:32:11 PM  
Hand him a bottle of that sh*t and let him drink that.
 
2014-01-12 07:32:44 PM  

Mrbogey: optikeye: But the libertarian's say the free market will take care of this kind of thing because people won't buy Freedom Industries product now.

In the libertarian world the aggrieved would demand recompense for the damage done to them. If they can turn a profit while still paying people they keep hurting then they'll stay around. However, it's never a good business model to throw money away just because you're careless. Unless a company gets some kind of subsidy because they're too big to fail, they'll either have to stop leaking chemicals or go out of business.


The problem is the aggrieved are generally good to be able to scrape up enough change to buy a McNugget while the company can lawyer up hard enough to steamroll everyone flat.

You can "demand recompense" all you want, but unless you have the legal might to back it up, you're just some guy standing on the sidewalk stamping your feet in anger.
 
2014-01-12 07:34:13 PM  

Cpl.D: Is it going to take people being killed before the righties see a valid reason for some industry regulation?


Not until enough Republican voterss get killed to make a difference in November.
 
2014-01-12 07:36:29 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: d23: Most of the West Virginia citizenry continue to felate the big coal machine.  It's quite incredible to behold... the corporate worship is just amazing.  "Please, please mista, go ahead and poison our water.  We need our jerbs!"

Thing is?  Most of West Virginia HATES coal, even the coal workers.  They hate management and they hate the industry for killing their brother/father/uncle.  It's a bit bizarre.


But they are good with their propaganda.

stateimpact.npr.org

www.wvpolicy.org

1.bp.blogspot.com

farm4.staticflickr.com

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2014-01-12 07:37:32 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Znuh: Looking at Freedom's storage tanks, you'd think they'd never even seen routine maintenance.

Why bother maintaining them if they aren't going to be inspected?

http://www.ibtimes.com/freedom-industries-meet-chemical-provider-cen te r-west-virginia-chemical-spill-1536036

According to NBC, who spoke to the state Department of Environmental Protection, Freedom Industries is exempt from DEP inspection because it only stores chemicals and does not produce them, despite the Freedom Industries website claiming they are producers. It is unclear whether or not the Etowah River Terminal facility does produce chemicals or is only a storage facility.

Kanwaha County Commission President Kent Carper said yesterday that a containment wall meant to prevent chemicals from reaching soil at Freedom Industries was in need of $1 million in repairs, but was never fixed.


Lovely.
 
2014-01-12 07:38:03 PM  
In NY, there were 12,154 reported spills last year.
And here's a map of leaking tanks in Michigan: http://circleofblue.org/LUST.html

if you're ever curious about what federally reported waste sites are near you: http://www.epa.gov/emefdata/em4ef.home

Oh well. nobody cares.
 
2014-01-12 07:40:37 PM  

propasaurus: I want to punch him just for "Freedom Industries."


I want to punch him just for the name "Gary Southern."
 
2014-01-12 07:41:19 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: d23: Most of the West Virginia citizenry continue to felate the big coal machine.  It's quite incredible to behold... the corporate worship is just amazing.  "Please, please mista, go ahead and poison our water.  We need our jerbs!"

Thing is?  Most of West Virginia HATES coal, even the coal workers.  They hate management and they hate the industry for killing their brother/father/uncle.  It's a bit bizarre.

But they are good with their propaganda.

[stateimpact.npr.org image 620x348]

[www.wvpolicy.org image 551x330]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 512x384]

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 500x334]

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 240x180]


Oh yea there are some good ones along the PA turnpike...

like "wind dies. sun sets."

and my personal favorite:

"YOUR TAX DOLLARS SUBSIDIZE WIND ENERGY" to which I want to put a billboard that says "...and also oil, coal, and natural gas. What's your point?"
 
2014-01-12 07:45:23 PM  

Shadi: In NY, there were 12,154 reported spills last year.
And here's a map of leaking tanks in Michigan: http://circleofblue.org/LUST.html

if you're ever curious about what federally reported waste sites are near you: http://www.epa.gov/emefdata/em4ef.home

Oh well. nobody cares.


Believe me I know. I live 5 miles from a landfill that has old radioactive waste that became Fark worthy.

http://m.fark.com/comments/7739464/Not-News-St-Louis-area-landfill-s me lling-particularly-bad-today-News-Because-of-underground-fires-Fark-St ate-officials-have-said-possibility-of-fires-reaching-radioactive-mate rials-is-remote

I also live about 10-15 miles away from a WWII era landfill that's become a park.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weldon_Spring_Ordnance_Works

bobmccarty.com
 
2014-01-12 07:46:28 PM  

fusillade762: Is he drinking the Obama water?


ballotvox.prx.org
 
2014-01-12 07:46:36 PM  

Dougie AXP: Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: d23: Most of the West Virginia citizenry continue to felate the big coal machine.  It's quite incredible to behold... the corporate worship is just amazing.  "Please, please mista, go ahead and poison our water.  We need our jerbs!"

Thing is?  Most of West Virginia HATES coal, even the coal workers.  They hate management and they hate the industry for killing their brother/father/uncle.  It's a bit bizarre.

But they are good with their propaganda.

[stateimpact.npr.org image 620x348]

[www.wvpolicy.org image 551x330]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 512x384]

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 500x334]

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 240x180]

Oh yea there are some good ones along the PA turnpike...

like "wind dies. sun sets."

and my personal favorite:

"YOUR TAX DOLLARS SUBSIDIZE WIND ENERGY" to which I want to put a billboard that says "...and also oil, coal, and natural gas. What's your point?"


I've seen those too when I'm back there. And now it looks like the Fracking Industry is trying to copy them and their propaganda too so now PA gets double the entertaining billboards.
 
2014-01-12 07:47:20 PM  
Big deal, Cleveland has still got you beat.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-12 07:49:18 PM  

Hollie Maea: Satanic_Hamster: d23: Most of the West Virginia citizenry continue to felate the big coal machine.  It's quite incredible to behold... the corporate worship is just amazing.  "Please, please mista, go ahead and poison our water.  We need our jerbs!"

Thing is?  Most of West Virginia HATES coal, even the coal workers.  They hate management and they hate the industry for killing their brother/father/uncle.  It's a bit bizarre.

And yet they punish any political figure who even talks about raising a finger against the coal industry.


No, the COAL industry does that.

There's been actual shooting wars fought, with a plane dropping bombs on American citizens, over the abuses the average man suffers at the hand of the coal industry.
 
2014-01-12 07:49:31 PM  

cretinbob: fusillade762: Is he drinking the Obama water?

[ballotvox.prx.org image 500x333]


If they actually sent that to these people, that would be the greatest troll ever.
 
2014-01-12 07:51:02 PM  

a particular individual: If Freedom Industries didn't pollute the water, some other company would. You can't legislate responsibility. None of the Marxists complaining about this see the irony that they're using computers/iPads/smart phones which would be impossible without oil. All you worshipers of Al Gore just want to make the rest of us live in caves and outlaw the internal combustion engine while Al Gore's carbon footprint stamps on a human face--forever.


static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
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