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2014-01-12 07:12:37 PM

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.

can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....

I cannot win an argument if you won't provide one beyond your silly statement about sinking ships. Provide an argument.


I already provided an argument; BE A BETTER LIBERAL; EXPECT MORE FOR YOURSELF OTHER THAN DEFEATING SOME LIBERTARIAN RIGHTWING NUT JOB....  get it?  nope...probably not; it don't fit your narrative
 
2014-01-12 07:14:33 PM

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.

can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....

I cannot win an argument if you won't provide one beyond your silly statement about sinking ships. Provide an argument.

I already provided an argument; BE A BETTER LIBERAL; EXPECT MORE FOR YOURSELF OTHER THAN DEFEATING SOME LIBERTARIAN RIGHTWING NUT JOB....  get it?  nope...probably not; it don't fit your narrative


None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?
 
2014-01-12 07:15:53 PM

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.

can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....

I cannot win an argument if you won't provide one beyond your silly statement about sinking ships. Provide an argument.

I already provided an argument; BE A BETTER LIBERAL; EXPECT MORE FOR YOURSELF OTHER THAN DEFEATING SOME LIBERTARIAN RIGHTWING NUT JOB....  get it?  nope...probably not; it don't fit your narrative

None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?


yep... low level PR liberal confirmed.
 
2014-01-12 07:26:40 PM

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Are you guys capable of quoting portions of replies instead of the whole god damn post? Can you please do that for now on? Your egos are filling up the thread like a three day old diaper.
 
2014-01-12 07:30:05 PM

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Are you guys capable of quoting portions of replies instead of the whole god damn post? Can you please do that for now on? Your egos are filling up the thread like a three day old diaper.


lol
 
2014-01-12 07:33:45 PM

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.

can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....

I cannot win an argument if you won't provide one beyond your silly statement about sinking ships. Provide an argument.

I already provided an argument; BE A BETTER LIBERAL; EXPECT MORE FOR YOURSELF OTHER THAN DEFEATING SOME LIBERTARIAN RIGHTWING NUT JOB....  get it?  nope...probably not; it don't fit your narrative

None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?

yep... low level PR liberal confirmed.


Why do you say that I am from Puerto Rico?
 
2014-01-12 07:38:08 PM

rebelyell2006: Why do you say that I am from Puerto Rico?


you;re probably a great guy; I'm just old so.... you know... get off my lawn and stuff
 
2014-01-12 07:44:25 PM

Jackson Herring: reminder: PJ Media was one of the original blogs that caused the phrase "your blog sucks" to become part of the fark lexicon


They also hired Sam The Unlicensed Plumber's Assistant as a war correspondent.
 
2014-01-12 07:46:58 PM

spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.


Guys, CLEARLY John Galt destroyed the Death Star.
 
2014-01-12 07:56:03 PM
 
2014-01-12 07:57:21 PM
This thread:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-12 08:05:00 PM

Mjeck: You don't even know my belief...



It appears that you believe in making vague sweeping statements so you can insult the people who don't successfully read your mind.
 
2014-01-12 08:06:09 PM
Guess I'm in this category. Prime earning years but I've bowed out of the labor market. It's not because of taxes, it's because companies treat tech worker like crap and if you want a "but government" cause, the government is constantly trying to replace me with H1B holders. No thanks. I can live a long time on my savings, though a much simpler and less consumption based one. If Corporate America wants people like me, they're going to have to start treating us like humans and not like an expense that is company enemy number one.

/Seriously, when you're on the 9-6 Monday-Friday (or more accurately 9-9 Sunday-Saturday) treadmill, you end up spending money on lots of convenience goods and services that are expensive and easy to take care of on your own when you have lots of free time.
 
2014-01-12 08:09:06 PM

rebelyell2006: None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?


Good, I'm not the only one who had no clue.
 
2014-01-12 08:21:04 PM

themindiswatching: rebelyell2006: None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?

Good, I'm not the only one who had no clue.


It doesn't have to make sense.  He's treadshaitting.
 
2014-01-12 08:21:26 PM

MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).


Yeah, I read a story about a laborer who worked with industrialists that averted a global invasion crisis by playing both sides.

Oh wait, that was Dr. Who. About the same fidelity to real life, too.

/"looter class"? GTFO
 
2014-01-12 08:39:22 PM
Done in one.
 
2014-01-12 08:44:45 PM

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer

Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.

Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?

yep...  can't converse unless it fits your narrative.....

I cannot have a conversation when all you post are pithy nonsensical statements.


SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP!
Jesus TittyFarking Christ y'all are acting like a bunch of godamn children! Please, do shut up. We're all tired of you going back and forth.
 
2014-01-12 09:11:22 PM

sobriquet by any other name: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Yeah, I read a story about a laborer who worked with industrialists that averted a global invasion crisis by playing both sides.

Oh wait, that was Dr. Who. About the same fidelity to real life, too.

/"looter class"? GTFO


Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged in the 1950s. It should be comforting to know that politics never changes; it'll always be Working Man vs. Regulatory Man. In the book, Regulatory Man was out of control and Working Man said, "screw you guys, I'm outta here." It wasn't a screed pitting government against greedy individualists. I really liked it. In my opinion, it's such an amazing slog of a read that, if you actually read it, you feel like a marathon runner crossing the finish line.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for or against Rand's ideologies. It's the opposite. I remember a while back some idiot in Arizona (maybe?) decided to harvest Americonium (sp?) from smoke detectors so make his own private nuclear reactor. In this instance, all hail Regulatory Man for putting a stop to it. But, believe it or not, there exist a harmony between Working Man and Regulatory Man. They're called traffic laws. So it can happen, but for the record, Atlas Shrugged is the opposite of Madoff-Enron schemes and schemers.

/"looter class" is an expression from the book. Educate yourself, ya Rube.
 
2014-01-12 09:15:59 PM

MJMaloney187: Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged in the 1950s. It should be comforting to know that politics never changes; it'll always be Working Man vs. Regulatory Man.


No, it's never been like that at all. Ever. Throughout history.
 
2014-01-12 09:23:53 PM

MJMaloney187: there exist a harmony between Working Man and Regulatory Man. They're called traffic laws.


Never driven on the East Coast I see.
 
2014-01-12 09:28:23 PM

MJMaloney187: sobriquet by any other name: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Yeah, I read a story about a laborer who worked with industrialists that averted a global invasion crisis by playing both sides.

Oh wait, that was Dr. Who. About the same fidelity to real life, too.

/"looter class"? GTFO

Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged in the 1950s. It should be comforting to know that politics never changes; it'll always be Working Man vs. Regulatory Man. In the book, Regulatory Man was out of control and Working Man said, "screw you guys, I'm outta here." It wasn't a screed pitting government against greedy individualists. I really liked it. In my opinion, it's such an amazing slog of a read that, if you actually read it, you feel like a marathon runner crossing the finish line.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for or against Rand's ideologies. It's the opposite. I remember a while back some idiot in Arizona (maybe?) decided to harvest Americonium (sp?) from smoke detectors so make his own private nuclear reactor. In this instance, all hail Regulatory Man for putting a stop to it. But, believe it or not, there exist a harmony between Working Man and Regulatory Man. They're called traffic laws. So it can happen, but for the record, Atlas Shrugged is the opposite of Madoff-Enron schemes and schemers.

/"looter class" is an expression from the book. Educate yourself, ya Rube.


So where do management and CEOs fit in with the workers vs. regulators? Are they the looter class?
 
2014-01-12 09:54:07 PM

Ringshadow: Guys, CLEARLY John Galt destroyed the Death Star.


John Galt  is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life
 
2014-01-12 10:00:10 PM

Ringshadow: Guys, CLEARLY John Galt destroyed the Death Star.


Blowing up other people's property is more of a Howard Roark thing.

/Also, rape but apparently not rape-rape
 
2014-01-12 10:03:56 PM

spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.


I'm glad you pointed this out. This hero of many self proclaimed capitalists performed work on his employer's dime but he thought that he shouldn't have to share the fruits of the labor he was paid for with his employer. Even though he was being paid for his time and effort, instead of giving the company the results of those payments he decided to greedily keep it for himself because of his ideological problem with the company management. Is there a conservative or libertarian here who would like to defend the practice of not giving one's employer what they were paid for? For keeping to oneself work done on company time and the company dime? If he has handed off his work and notes before quitting that would be one thing, but he didn't. He just abandons the project he was being paid for.

It's also important to note as you mentioned that Galt was not rich. When he and his friends decided that using high seas piracy to steal aid money that they viewed as "stolen" from wealthy taxpayers, it is important to note that they were not wealthy taxpayers. They had absolutely zero claim to the money that they were "liberating". They were plainly criminals. Not only did they not have any claim to the money they stole, their whole "Robin Hood" justification is laid bare by the fact that they kept the money for themselves and their group. They made no effort to return that money to they people who actually paid the taxes, except as the occasional bribe to get people to join their cult. They were really no different from the SLA knocking over banks. Galt's group were quite literally the real looters in the story.
 
2014-01-12 10:25:22 PM
Mjeck: YOU CAN'T PIGEON-HOLE ME, MAAAAAAAAAAAAN

So you come in here blathering typical Fark IndependentTM drivel that isn't true and sidestep any attempt to nail down what your position actually IS.
9/10 trolling: you forgot to mention how you voted for Obama.
 
2014-01-12 10:39:57 PM

Thrag: They made no effort to return that money to they people who actually paid the taxes, except as the occasional bribe to get people to join their cult. They were really no different from the SLA knocking over banks. Galt's group were quite literally the real looters in the story.


What is the cross over between Rand fans and Nietzsche fans?
 
2014-01-12 10:40:33 PM

brantgoose: John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot who wrote 1,000-page anti-Communist pamphlets because her daddy got his pharmacy taken away from him when she was a little girl because their family was Jewish.


FTFY.
 
2014-01-12 11:10:23 PM
Haven't you figured it out yet?  The rich are having the poor and unemployed rounded up so they can hunt them for sport in private reserves,

Then... they eat them.
 
2014-01-12 11:23:56 PM

Thrag: Galt's group were quite literally the real looters in the story.


Nice post. Quite correct. The irony, it burns.
 
2014-01-12 11:27:42 PM

Bloody William: rebelyell2006: Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?

I'm sorry, I've completely lost track of this conversation. Which one is the feigned farkwit and which one if the guy feeding the feigning farkwit's ego? I really can't tell.

/You or the other guy are playing ping-pong with balls made of stupid and nothing.


This is just someone's darling little alt (not rebelyell--mjeck) who comes in, makes an inflammatory yet inscrutable statement; then spends the entire remainder of the thread saying essentially: "I refuse to respond because libslibslibs." I'd figure out who it is who does this all the time if I cared enough to go back through the Farkives; but it's just some damn troll. Does it all the freaking time, and some idiot always obligingly snaps at the "I refuse to respond because you're too stupid to go read the data for yourself" bait.

Stop feeding it, and it will crawl back under its bridge.
 
2014-01-12 11:40:36 PM
The Puritans already did this.

And the Native Americans before them.

Humans love going Galt all the time. And guess what? The world laughs and moves on.

/Al Franken-inspired moment: And then the Galters start... working again and... become the world's strongest superpower.
 
2014-01-12 11:56:35 PM
narwhaler.com
 
2014-01-13 12:04:48 AM

real_headhoncho: Haven't you figured it out yet?  The rich are having the poor and unemployed rounded up so they can hunt them for sport in private reserves,

Then... they eat them.


That's absurd.

There's no way the .01%ers are going to eat filthy poor people. Feed them to their servants, maybe.
 
2014-01-13 12:25:13 AM

brantgoose: John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.


Dear God that needs to be on a shirt.
 
2014-01-13 01:03:37 AM
IronMensan
It only really works when there are enough people following it. Otherwise those that do get farked by those that don't. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma


The solution in an interated situation is to have a memory. Give someone a chance at first. Then if they screw you once, never trust them again (very occasionally, give them a chance, just in case). For best results, share your data with others who have proven themselves worthy of not being on your shiat list. Assuming indidividuals playing this strategy are at least numerous enough to interact with each other fairly regularly, they will eventually dominate the system.
(The individual best solution in a non-iterated scenario is to betray, which is, I think, why contemporary capitalism works so hard at social alienation- it makes every interaction a non-iterated one, which makes it impossible for people to organize.)


d23
You need to go back and read your history again (or maybe a more objective book). The last thing that the founding fathers wanted was rule by who is richest.

"The man who is possessed of wealth, who lolls on his sofa or rolls in his carriage, cannot judge the wants or feelings of the day-laborer. The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe, - when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability."
James Madison
 
2014-01-13 01:16:24 AM

blastoh: The Lone Gunman: I'm not fully convinced that the author understands what "going Galt" means.

that is ok, he doesn't understand how to use graphs either.

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Ed Tufte is spinning in his grave.

/And he's not even dead yet.
 
2014-01-13 01:17:50 AM

Bloody William: rebelyell2006: I cannot have a conversation when all you post are pithy nonsensical statements.

SO STOP RESPONDING TO HIM! Jesus Christ! Your exchange with him looks like a list of the world's shiattiest fortune cookie fortunes. It isn't even an argument!


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-13 01:40:52 AM

Ricardo Klement: Bloody William: rebelyell2006: I cannot have a conversation when all you post are pithy nonsensical statements.

SO STOP RESPONDING TO HIM! Jesus Christ! Your exchange with him looks like a list of the world's shiattiest fortune cookie fortunes. It isn't even an argument!

[media.tumblr.com image 150x98]


Fox: I'm charging you under Section 21 of the Strange Sketch Act.
Man: The what?
Fox: You are hereby charged that you did wilfully take part in a strange sketch, that is, a skit, spoof or humorous vignette of an unconventional nature with intent to cause grievous mental confusion to the Great British Public.
 
2014-01-13 02:12:30 AM

vudukungfu: Who is John Galt?


This guy:

www.startrek.com

He died recently, BTW.
 
2014-01-13 02:39:22 AM
Your blog sucks.
 
2014-01-13 03:03:45 AM

The Lone Gunman: I'm not fully convinced that the author understands what "going Galt" means.


A lack of understanding is entirely appropriate for Pajamas Media.
 
x23
2014-01-13 04:55:59 AM

Chameleon: You guys are so stupid that you disagree with me.

Nope, not gonna explain what it is I believe or how you are disagreeing, nor will I provide any backup for my non-assertions.  That would just start up the PR machine, and I'm way too smart for you guys.  The data to support my assertions, whatever they might be, is out there.  Study it out.


this was more interesting and made more sense than anything that guy has actually said to this point or since this was posted. sadly... i think he just passed right over this comment with absolutely no idea that it was about him and his obtuse inanity.

i'm not saying he has a personality disorder or any form of mental retardation... but i wouldn't be surprised to learn he does.
 
x23
2014-01-13 04:59:59 AM
Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Why do you say that I am from Puerto Rico?

you;re probably a great guy; I'm just old so.... you know... get off my lawn and stuff



you aren't just old. you are old and an obtuse moron with extremely poor communication skills. don't sell yourself short.
 
x23
2014-01-13 05:02:53 AM
and poof! now the thread is 1/3rd shorter.
 
2014-01-13 05:10:51 AM
I always get an extra kick out of threads in which the work of Ayn Rand is seriously discussed as if it had any philosophical or literary merit.
Next, a post-ironic deconstruction of the film "Pee-Wee's Great Adventure".
 
2014-01-13 06:33:57 AM

Thrag: spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.

I'm glad you pointed this out. This hero of many self proclaimed capitalists performed work on his employer's dime but he thought that he shouldn't have to share the fruits of the labor he was paid for with his employer. Even though he was being paid for his time and effort, instead of giving the company the results of those payments he decided to greedily keep it for himself because of his ideological problem with the company management. Is there a conservative or libertarian here who would like to defend the practice of not giving one's employer what they were paid for? For keeping to oneself work done on company ti ...


He didn't keep it. He left it at the factory and walked away. Nobody else could figure out how to make it work. This subplot only comprises about 200 pages of the book so it's easy to see how you might have missed it.

You're correct though, talented people were quitting their jobs left and right. Regulatory Man nipped this abuse of free will by making it a law that "nobody can quit and nobody can be fired without government permission". Sweet, sweet utopia.
 
2014-01-13 06:55:38 AM

Ringshadow: spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.

Guys, CLEARLY John Galt destroyed the Death Star.


And Ayn Rand died on the dole... end of all argument.
 
2014-01-13 07:06:39 AM

RanDomino: IronMensan
It only really works when there are enough people following it. Otherwise those that do get farked by those that don't. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

The solution in an interated situation is to have a memory. Give someone a chance at first. Then if they screw you once, never trust them again (very occasionally, give them a chance, just in case). For best results, share your data with others who have proven themselves worthy of not being on your shiat list. Assuming indidividuals playing this strategy are at least numerous enough to interact with each other fairly regularly, they will eventually dominate the system.
(The individual best solution in a non-iterated scenario is to betray, which is, I think, why contemporary capitalism works so hard at social alienation- it makes every interaction a non-iterated one, which makes it impossible for people to organize.)


d23
You need to go back and read your history again (or maybe a more objective book). The last thing that the founding fathers wanted was rule by who is richest.

"The man who is possessed of wealth, who lolls on his sofa or rolls in his carriage, cannot judge the wants or feelings of the day-laborer. The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe, - when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the gov ...


James Madison: unapologetic apologist for the obscenely rich... TAX THESE SWINE!
 
2014-01-13 07:38:55 AM

rebelyell2006: So where do management and CEOs fit in with the workers vs. regulators? Are they the looter class?


The Taggart Man broke with the regulators, the Taggart Woman with the workers. That these two locked horns throughout Rand's 1200(ish) page behemoth may only be interesting or notable for a book nerd like me.
 
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