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(PJ Media)   "Who needs Ayn Rand? America has already gone John Galt"   (pjmedia.com) divider line 228
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2014-01-12 01:11:47 PM  
Dumbass.

The unemployed who have stopped looking for work aren't exactly John Galt. John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Also, where does that 92 million figure come from? Did he find it between his buttocks?

4% of the population of the USA is 0.04 x 316=12.64 million, about the number of undocumented workers according to Conservative sources. That's roughly the gap that the chart shows. 92 million? That must be every adult who isn't looking for work including retirees and stay-at-home moms, and yes, John Galt.

What a dumbass.

My guess is that if a real-life John Galt went on strike, nobody would notice him not doing whatever the hell it is he does. One, it is not billionaires who make jobs. Jobs are made by small and medum sized businesses--real entrepreneurs, not bankers, hedge funders, speculators, kleptocrats, vultures, etc.

The big money does not make jobs. The big money destroys jobs to pump up their bottom lines, to pay a dividend, and to make themselves look good with shareholders who don't know or care about the real world or Main Street, but only dividends or share prices.

This guy has less of a grip on reality than Ayn Rand's most pizza-faced teenage acolyte.

Bugger John Galt and the ass he rode in on. Which in his case is named Roger L. Simon.
 
2014-01-12 01:21:53 PM  
Who is John Galt?
 
2014-01-12 01:43:32 PM  

vudukungfu: Who is John Galt?


This guy:

cdn.ebaumsworld.com

And this guy:
wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net

This guy:

www.threesisterspark.com

And of course these people as well:
www.bolgernow.com

Clearly, we are about to see a New Age of Greatness
 
2014-01-12 01:45:33 PM  
If John Galt went on strike someone else would come up with the idea and market it. And then become very wealthy.
 
2014-01-12 01:53:57 PM  

vudukungfu: Who is John Galt?


He is like Santa Claus for libertarians, only the opposite.
 
2014-01-12 01:55:29 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: This guy:


he be trollin'
 
2014-01-12 02:44:10 PM  

vudukungfu: PC LOAD LETTER: This guy:

he be trollin'


cdn.avsforum.com
 
2014-01-12 03:47:10 PM  

brantgoose: Ayn Rand's most pizza-faced teenage acolyte.



Hannity's more of a lego-face, really.
 
2014-01-12 04:01:59 PM  
I'm not fully convinced that the author understands what "going Galt" means.
 
2014-01-12 04:04:37 PM  
Taxes are theft.

Amidoingitrite?
 
2014-01-12 04:06:23 PM  
I was amused how the two lines in the chart only diverged after Obama became president. Shouldn't the red and blue lines have been separate all the way to the beginning of the chart? There is no way to express more clearly how certain issues only become issues when a Democrat is in office. Elect a Republican and we will never see that chart again.
 
2014-01-12 04:07:09 PM  
s.lnimg.com
 
2014-01-12 04:07:30 PM  
Where do these people even come up with this sh*t?
 
2014-01-12 04:07:55 PM  
Not gonna read the article but I'll assume he counts the *retired* as "no longer seeking gainful employment".
 
2014-01-12 04:09:04 PM  
I stopped reading at Zero Hedge.
Wasn't the old talking point that these folks were lazy and had stopped looking for work because of extended benefits?
 
2014-01-12 04:11:51 PM  
"As you can clearly see, when we use different numbers, the numbers are different."
 
2014-01-12 04:15:59 PM  
 I don't know about love,  but the work part of our lives has been brutally kicked out from under us in the Obama years, due to the foreign and domestic policies of the GOP from the previous administration in combination with the obstructionist practices of the current GOP in congress.
 
2014-01-12 04:17:10 PM  

brantgoose: Also, where does that 92 million figure come from? Did he find it between his buttocks?



About fifteen million of those are under the age of twelve.
Lazy little buggers aren't eben bothering to look for work.
 
2014-01-12 04:18:07 PM  
Even just seeing that your result was 90 million people dropping off the face of the earth should've raised some eyebrows. This is dumber than those troll physics images.
 
2014-01-12 04:19:29 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: vudukungfu: Who is John Galt?

This guy:

[cdn.ebaumsworld.com image 720x540]

And this guy:
[wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net image 630x450]

This guy:

[www.threesisterspark.com image 435x375]

And of course these people as well:
[www.bolgernow.com image 500x364]

Clearly, we are about to see a New Age of Greatness


I love that the Republican Party, the bastion of anti-Communist God-fearin' Amurcans, follows the economic advice of a Russian atheist.
 
2014-01-12 04:19:57 PM  
1. Republutard creates straw-man argument
2. Libtards strike down strawman with shiat sandwich
3. Nothing of importance is learned


Shine on you crazy PR men
 
2014-01-12 04:21:21 PM  
According to Zero Hedge...

HaHaOhWow.jpg
 
2014-01-12 04:21:42 PM  

Mjeck: 1. Republutard creates straw-man argument
2. Libtards strike down strawman with shiat sandwich
3. Nothing of importance is learned


Shine on you crazy PR men



It's nice that you've found a way to feel superior to both sides.
 
2014-01-12 04:22:24 PM  
This is a real store
s3-media4.ak.yelpcdn.com
They sell $1,000 strollers
 
2014-01-12 04:23:09 PM  
Who Is John Galt?

John Galt is the personification of a social, economic, and political philosophy that is unsustainable in real life.
 
2014-01-12 04:26:52 PM  

give me doughnuts: Mjeck: 1. Republutard creates straw-man argument
2. Libtards strike down strawman with shiat sandwich
3. Nothing of importance is learned


Shine on you crazy PR men


It's nice that you've found a way to feel superior to both sides.


Actually I'm below both sides, cause i gotta live under these regimes of insanity
 
2014-01-12 04:27:21 PM  

MadCat221: Who Is John Galt?

John Galt is the personification of a social, economic, and political philosophy that is unsustainable in real life.


images.wikia.com
 
2014-01-12 04:28:05 PM  

MadCat221: Who Is John Galt?

John Galt is the personification of a social, economic, and political philosophy that is unsustainable in real life.


You know, like Karl Marx or Jesus Christ.
 
2014-01-12 04:28:46 PM  

brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.


Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).
 
2014-01-12 04:31:42 PM  

brantgoose: MadCat221: Who Is John Galt?

John Galt is the personification of a social, economic, and political philosophy that is unsustainable in real life.

You know, like Karl Marx or Jesus Christ.


I dunno... "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" will take you quite a ways.
 
2014-01-12 04:32:19 PM  

jaytkay: This is a real store
[s3-media4.ak.yelpcdn.com image 250x250]
They sell $1,000 strollers


and this is or was a real company
The John Galt Corporation is a demolition and construction contractor based in New York City, which was subcontracted to demolish the Deutsche Bank Building after the building suffered severe damage during the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. The company was involved in multiple scandals related to its work at the site.
The company was founded in 1983 and named for a character from Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged. The company had apparently done no substantial work of any kind until it was subcontracted by Bovis Lend Lease to demolish the Deutsche Bank Building. The company essentially acted as a shell corporation for the Regional Scaffolding and Hoisting Company and two former Safeway Environmental Corporation executives. The use of a shell corporation is not unusual within the demolition industry, but the participation of Safeway Environmental executives drew attention because of past problems that company had with government contracts, including accusations of ties to criminal organizations.[1]
Three of the company's construction supervisors (Mitchel Alvo, Salvatore DePaola, and Jeffrey Melofchik) were charged for manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide as a result of the deaths of two firefighters in a fire which broke out in August 2007. The John Galt Corporation was also charged.[2] Alvo was acquitted in a bench trial; DePaola and Melofchik were cleared in a jury trial. The company was acquitted of manslaughter, but was convicted of second-degree reckless endangerment, a misdemeanor.[3][4]
In a separate case, one of the company's purchasing agents, Robert Chiarappa, was sentenced to seven and a half years in prison for embezzling over 1.2 million dollars from the building's demolition. Three other people also plead guilty for their involvement in the scheme.
[5]
 
2014-01-12 04:33:12 PM  
I just started playing the original Bioshock and I am getting a kick out of this.
 
2014-01-12 04:34:36 PM  

Ambivalence: vudukungfu: Who is John Galt?

He is like Santa Claus for libertarians, only the opposite.


No, no, John Galt is definitely white.
 
2014-01-12 04:36:13 PM  
Not that any of you would know because you didn't read the book.

John Galt was a badass metal guitarist who devoted his life to his music and his band until one day the record label tried to get him to play a rock ballad.
 
2014-01-12 04:37:48 PM  

MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).


Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.
 
2014-01-12 04:46:55 PM  

clambam: I was amused how the two lines in the chart only diverged after Obama became president. Shouldn't the red and blue lines have been separate all the way to the beginning of the chart? There is no way to express more clearly how certain issues only become issues when a Democrat is in office. Elect a Republican and we will never see that chart again.


The local maximum was around late 2008. Before that there was a tumble in 2000 right before Bush took over that never fully recovered and stayed around the same level.

MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".


That's not the way they it at the Daily Kos. Pretty sure Galt was a Klansman.
 
2014-01-12 04:48:45 PM  

spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.




But Cliff's Notes are never incorrect!
 
2014-01-12 04:49:16 PM  
Wait people have actually finished an ayn rand book? Last I tries I got like 12 pages in before I wanted to end my life...
 
2014-01-12 04:53:19 PM  
Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice
 
2014-01-12 04:54:30 PM  

qorkfiend: brantgoose: MadCat221: Who Is John Galt?

John Galt is the personification of a social, economic, and political philosophy that is unsustainable in real life.

You know, like Karl Marx or Jesus Christ.

I dunno... "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" will take you quite a ways.


That idea predates Jesus by a long shot.
 
2014-01-12 04:55:02 PM  

Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice


Create strawman.
Knock it down.
Repeat again in every thread.

You're a boring troll.
 
2014-01-12 04:56:13 PM  
Who would have thought that over 30 years of policies designed to decrease workers wages and benefits and maximize investor and executive profits would have a negative effect on the workforce?

 For many years growing up, I remember hearing comments like "Of course everything is made in (Japan/China/Taiwan), those people work for rice and fish heads!" . If the GOP can successfully destroy all of the social safety nets, eventually Americans will take any job at any wage. Then cheap manufacturing will come back here and people in Asia will say it's because Americans will work for pork rinds and fries.
 
2014-01-12 04:56:35 PM  

MontanaDave: qorkfiend: brantgoose: MadCat221: Who Is John Galt?

John Galt is the personification of a social, economic, and political philosophy that is unsustainable in real life.

You know, like Karl Marx or Jesus Christ.

I dunno... "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" will take you quite a ways.

That idea predates Jesus by a long shot.


I said it was Jesus' philosophy, not that he was the originator.
 
2014-01-12 04:56:46 PM  

Fart_Machine: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

Create strawman.
Knock it down.
Repeat again in every thread.

You're a boring troll.


What strawman? You don't even know me bro...
 
2014-01-12 04:59:32 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: vudukungfu: Who is John Galt?

This guy:



And this guy:


This guy:



And of course these people as well:


Clearly, we are about to see a New Age of Greatness


Anyone else kind of hoping for a revolution just so we can kill the idiots. And burn down Wall Street? And loot?
 
2014-01-12 05:01:54 PM  
Pretty obvious what's going on with the labor participation rate, baby boomers are retiring.  The reason they are able to retire of course is because the Obama bull market inflated their retirement savings enough so they can afford to retire.  Thanks a lot D0wBama!
 
2014-01-12 05:03:27 PM  

Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice


Tea Party continues to crap all over the poors, women, and minorities, exalt 'fark you I've got mine' sociopathy, and somehow think this is a winning message.

Keep farking that chicken.
 
2014-01-12 05:03:43 PM  
reminder: PJ Media was one of the original blogs that caused the phrase "your blog sucks" to become part of the fark lexicon
 
2014-01-12 05:05:48 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Wait people have actually finished an ayn rand book? Last I tries I got like 12 pages in before I wanted to end my life...


Thank you. From a literary standpoint it's the most boring, ignorant, piece of tripe I have ever had the misfortune of picking up. As for Galt not being a fascist-rich-Superman, I would argue instead that he was a horrible human being that spent half the book arguing rational selfishness (rational egoism). Everything that Jesus, Ghandi, the current Pope or anyone with an actual soul argued against. How this makes him a "hero" to the GoP I will never know...wait a minute...
 
2014-01-12 05:06:48 PM  

qorkfiend: MontanaDave: qorkfiend: brantgoose: MadCat221: Who Is John Galt?

John Galt is the personification of a social, economic, and political philosophy that is unsustainable in real life.

You know, like Karl Marx or Jesus Christ.

I dunno... "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" will take you quite a ways.

That idea predates Jesus by a long shot.

I said it was Jesus' philosophy, not that he was the originator.


A fair point. Might I note that I didn't say you were wrong in any way?
 
2014-01-12 05:09:00 PM  
So to reiterate the author's question: if those 90 million people have "abandoned the workforce" what ARE they doing? Does he REALLY believe there are now 90 million panhandlers, whores and welfare moochers lying around the nation no longer even trying to find work?

And if so, who are they? WHERE are they? There are still lots of jobs out there, why aren't some of those 90 million applying?
 
2014-01-12 05:10:03 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Wait people have actually finished an ayn rand book? Last I tries I got like 12 pages in before I wanted to end my life...


Anthem is only 128 pages and not a bad read.  But The Fountainhead, i only got as far as the rape scene and never tried to read Atlas Shrugged.
 
2014-01-12 05:10:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So to reiterate the author's question: if those 90 million people have "abandoned the workforce" what ARE they doing? Does he REALLY believe there are now 90 million panhandlers, whores and welfare moochers lying around the nation no longer even trying to find work?

And if so, who are they? WHERE are they? There are still lots of jobs out there, why aren't some of those 90 million applying?


It doesn't matter. The stupid people who read PJ Media will take it at face value and never question it.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-12 05:10:53 PM  
Maybe people aren't working because they aren't being paid fair wages.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-12 05:12:59 PM  

MJMaloney187: Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".


If he wasn't rich he must have been a loser, or at least in Rand wet dream land he would be.
 
2014-01-12 05:13:19 PM  

Omahawg: [s.lnimg.com image 768x1024]


Anyway I can vote for that picture for "SCARY!"?!

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-12 05:14:22 PM  
This is rapidly approaching a a pre-revolutionary condition, but not for a revolution many of us would want to undergo.  To avoid it, a massive change must occur at the federal level.  But Barack Obama, mired in a dead ideology, doesn't seem prepared to do anything but prolong the situation with highly  conventional liberal solutions that have failed for decades, maybe even centuries.

The guy who wrote this represents everything that is wrong with America.  He should be ashamed to look at himself in the mirror in the morning.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2014-01-12 05:15:42 PM  
America's welfare recipients (those scamming the system) are all followers of the Ayn Rand philosophies whether they know it or not.

Ayn Rand's objectivism states that all your actions should be for personal benefit.  If you aren't selfish and self serving then you deserve nothing.  So when people scam the system and greedily get a check while spending their days doing what they want when they want to do it, are all serving the philosophy very well.  When they think only about themselves and say fark America, "I'm getting mine", they're objectivists.

The only difference is that they aren't billionaires, they're supposed to be the disposable underclass so they gather the ire of the 1%'ers because they're playing the game of the elite and drinking the nation dry for personal gain.
 
2014-01-12 05:16:29 PM  
What are those nearly 92 million people doing with their time, other than sitting around depressed?

Fark, Borderlands 2 and lots of vodka.
 
2014-01-12 05:17:56 PM  

Mjeck: Fart_Machine: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

Create strawman.
Knock it down.
Repeat again in every thread.

You're a boring troll.

What strawman? You don't even know me bro...


I'd say the opposite side is true... the deck chairs are askew, so you morons think the ship is sinking.

For the first time in more than a decade, I can afford to contribute to my own health insurance, mostly because now my tax dollars help to cover me, instead of just going towards the old (Medicare), the poor (Medicaid), the young (CHiP), and federal employees. Ya, there are problems, it took me more than a month to get enrolled, and I had to verify my citizenship 3 times, then send a check to BCBS because apparently this whole wacky online payment thing is far too newfangled for them. That said, on Jan 1st, for the first time in ever, I got all four of my MS drugs in the same month, until then, they had cost more than I actually make in a month... so right now, the conservative "solution" is to scuttle the ship, for me to be uninsured again, and hope that maybe you f@#@ers can come up with something more than the NOTHING AT ALL you've come up with since you killed HillaryCare with the idea that the conservatives could craft a better solution. You hate the ACA, fine... come to the grown ups table when you have something better to offer, until then, don't expect us to fall for the same damn trick twice.
 
2014-01-12 05:19:10 PM  

vudukungfu: Who is John Galt?


A fictional asshole that the right admires.
 
2014-01-12 05:20:04 PM  

firefly212: ip, for me to be uninsured again, and hope that maybe you f@#@ers can come up with something more than the NOTHING AT ALL you've come up with since you killed HillaryCare with the idea that the conservatives could craft a better solution. You hate the ACA, fine... come to the grown ups table when you have something better to offer, until then, don't expect us to fall for the same damn trick twice.


ACA IS what they came up with.
 
2014-01-12 05:20:37 PM  

Orange-Pippin: Doktor_Zhivago: Wait people have actually finished an ayn rand book? Last I tries I got like 12 pages in before I wanted to end my life...

Thank you. From a literary standpoint it's the most boring, ignorant, piece of tripe I have ever had the misfortune of picking up. As for Galt not being a fascist-rich-Superman, I would argue instead that he was a horrible human being that spent half the book arguing rational selfishness (rational egoism). Everything that Jesus, Ghandi, the current Pope or anyone with an actual soul argued against. How this makes him a "hero" to the GoP I will never know...wait a minute...


I'd rather read the nichomachean ethics or das kapital they're more exciting as far as plotlines
 
2014-01-12 05:20:52 PM  
So it's my joke about how the real modern day John Galt is some guy sitting in his mom's basement posting on Fark about how he's going to not work because of taxes, except they are being serious about it?
 
2014-01-12 05:20:54 PM  

Great_Milenko: The guy who wrote this represents everything that is wrong with America. He should be ashamed to look at himself in the mirror in the morning.


Psychopaths can't feel shame.
 
2014-01-12 05:21:31 PM  
I'm sorry, but you can't really paint this guy as a loser.  He may look, odd, sure, but he is holding up that other guy in the background with his telekinesis.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-12 05:24:02 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Omahawg: [s.lnimg.com image 768x1024]

Anyway I can vote for that picture for "SCARY!"?!

[img.fark.net image 768x1024]


It's a real place in Omaha, Nebraska. Amusingly, it looks like a pretty low-rent office park.

https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m4!1m3!1d5667!2d-96.0869 52 2!3d41.2092447
 
2014-01-12 05:24:59 PM  
According to Zero Hedge...

[stoppedreadingthere.jpg]
 
2014-01-12 05:26:03 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

Tea Party continues to crap all over the poors, women, and minorities, exalt 'fark you I've got mine' sociopathy, and somehow think this is a winning message.

Keep farking that chicken.


Not a libertarian, but keep trying
 
2014-01-12 05:26:31 PM  
But the point now is to realize that when you have nearly 92 million people deserting the labor force in a country of 317 million (many of who are children too young to work), you have a catastrophic problem on your hands.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-01-12 05:26:35 PM  

qorkfiend: brantgoose: MadCat221: Who Is John Galt?

John Galt is the personification of a social, economic, and political philosophy that is unsustainable in real life.

You know, like Karl Marx or Jesus Christ.

I dunno... "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" will take you quite a ways.


It only really works when there are enough people following it. Otherwise those that do get farked by those that don't. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

/I keep trying anyway.
 
2014-01-12 05:27:34 PM  

firefly212: Mjeck: Fart_Machine: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

Create strawman.
Knock it down.
Repeat again in every thread.

You're a boring troll.

What strawman? You don't even know me bro...

I'd say the opposite side is true... the deck chairs are askew, so you morons think the ship is sinking.

For the first time in more than a decade, I can afford to contribute to my own health insurance, mostly because now my tax dollars help to cover me, instead of just going towards the old (Medicare), the poor (Medicaid), the young (CHiP), and federal employees. Ya, there are problems, it took me more than a month to get enrolled, and I had to verify my citizenship 3 times, then send a check to BCBS because apparently this whole wacky online payment thing is far too newfangled for them. That said, on Jan 1st, for the first time in ever, I got all four of my MS drugs in the same month, until then, they had cost more than I actually make in a month... so right now, the conservative "solution" is to scuttle the ship, for me to be uninsured again, and hope that maybe you f@#@ers can come up with something more than the NOTHING AT ALL you've come up with since you killed HillaryCare with the idea that the conservatives could craft a better solution. You hate the ACA, fine... come to the grown ups table when you have something better to offer, until then, don't expect us to fall for the same damn trick twice.


Don't hate the ACA, but keep trying
 
2014-01-12 05:32:02 PM  
America is a shiathole of stagnant growth because you refuse to pay anyone for anything. That's the recipe that got you the great depression. Even the most wealthy would benefit from a vibrant middle class. It would keep their money from becoming Monopoly Bucks and the angry poor from severing their head.
 
2014-01-12 05:32:41 PM  

brantgoose: Dumbass.

The unemployed who have stopped looking for work aren't exactly John Galt. John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Also, where does that 92 million figure come from? Did he find it between his buttocks?

4% of the population of the USA is 0.04 x 316=12.64 million, about the number of undocumented workers according to Conservative sources. That's roughly the gap that the chart shows. 92 million? That must be every adult who isn't looking for work including retirees and stay-at-home moms, and yes, John Galt.

What a dumbass.

My guess is that if a real-life John Galt went on strike, nobody would notice him not doing whatever the hell it is he does. One, it is not billionaires who make jobs. Jobs are made by small and medum sized businesses--real entrepreneurs, not bankers, hedge funders, speculators, kleptocrats, vultures, etc.

The big money does not make jobs. The big money destroys jobs to pump up their bottom lines, to pay a dividend, and to make themselves look good with shareholders who don't know or care about the real world or Main Street, but only dividends or share prices.

This guy has less of a grip on reality than Ayn Rand's most pizza-faced teenage acolyte.

Bugger John Galt and the ass he rode in on. Which in his case is named Roger L. Simon.



John Galt wasn't super rich. He was an assistant when he started the strike. Some of the other strikers were super rich, but many weren't. I am sure that if men like Bill Gates and other industrialists said fine, I will quit doing what you say I do that is evil, it wouldn't mess anything up. Rand was right, the world needs these people. If you actually read the book, these men knew they needed the best and brightest employees as well. That was the whole point. Acheivement and hard work are a reward of their own.

Hurr Durr Bob the angry flower......I never read the damned book to know what it says......evil rich people.......
 
2014-01-12 05:34:34 PM  
As someone who was laid off in my sixties, I can assure you that I wasn't 'going Galt'.

What is it with the US, giving credence to the likes of Ayn Rand, rather than pitying her, like the rest of the world.
 
2014-01-12 05:34:41 PM  

Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice


You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?
 
2014-01-12 05:35:23 PM  
This is why no one listens to Americans about anything. You're all a caricature of humanity.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-12 05:36:37 PM  

Verrai: DarkSoulNoHope: Omahawg: [s.lnimg.com image 768x1024]

Anyway I can vote for that picture for "SCARY!"?!

[img.fark.net image 768x1024]

It's a real place in Omaha, Nebraska. Amusingly, it looks like a pretty low-rent office park.

https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m4!1m3!1d5667!2d-96.0869 52 2!3d41.2092447


I figured that, I just mean of all things an election machine company (Diebold is most likely just as evil, if not more so) would willingly be in an office park that has them on a street called John Galt Boulevard. It makes you think about the psyche of the executives of that company and what they would and could (and possibly have done) do in changing election results to ones that the execs like if they could get away with it.
 
2014-01-12 05:37:55 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: This is why no one listens to Americans about anything. You're all a caricature of humanity.


That's.

Wow

Just

Damn.

Merka!
 
2014-01-12 05:37:55 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: brantgoose: Dumbass.

The unemployed who have stopped looking for work aren't exactly John Galt. John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Also, where does that 92 million figure come from? Did he find it between his buttocks?

4% of the population of the USA is 0.04 x 316=12.64 million, about the number of undocumented workers according to Conservative sources. That's roughly the gap that the chart shows. 92 million? That must be every adult who isn't looking for work including retirees and stay-at-home moms, and yes, John Galt.

What a dumbass.

My guess is that if a real-life John Galt went on strike, nobody would notice him not doing whatever the hell it is he does. One, it is not billionaires who make jobs. Jobs are made by small and medum sized businesses--real entrepreneurs, not bankers, hedge funders, speculators, kleptocrats, vultures, etc.

The big money does not make jobs. The big money destroys jobs to pump up their bottom lines, to pay a dividend, and to make themselves look good with shareholders who don't know or care about the real world or Main Street, but only dividends or share prices.

This guy has less of a grip on reality than Ayn Rand's most pizza-faced teenage acolyte.

Bugger John Galt and the ass he rode in on. Which in his case is named Roger L. Simon.


John Galt wasn't super rich. He was an assistant when he started the strike. Some of the other strikers were super rich, but many weren't. I am sure that if men like Bill Gates and other industrialists said fine, I will quit doing what you say I do that is evil, it wouldn't mess anything up. Rand was right, the world needs these people. If you actually read the book, these men knew they needed the best and brightest employees as well. That was the whole point. Acheivement and hard work are a reward of their own.

Hurr Durr Bob the angry flower......I never read the damned book to know what it says. ...


I'd say 3.5, but the Romanian judge has brought down the average to 2.7.
Now let's see how you did for Artistic Interpretation.....
Sorry. Apparently the tutu didn't work as well as you planned. 2.5.
Better luck in four years' time.
 
2014-01-12 05:38:20 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?


Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice
 
2014-01-12 05:40:47 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice


America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.
 
2014-01-12 05:40:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So to reiterate the author's question: if those 90 million people have "abandoned the workforce" what ARE they doing? Does he REALLY believe there are now 90 million panhandlers, whores and welfare moochers lying around the nation no longer even trying to find work?

And if so, who are they? WHERE are they? There are still lots of jobs out there, why aren't some of those 90 million applying?


Excuse me, but whores do work.
 
2014-01-12 05:42:34 PM  
There's a lot more, of course.  But the point now is to realize that when you have nearly 92 million people deserting the labor force in a country of 317 million (many of who are children too young to work), you have a catastrophic problem on your hands.

And finally, let's do away forever with the silly unemployment statistic (as in today's 6.7% unemployed).  It has no relevance to anything and is a form of disinformation.  The labor participation rate is the true story.


Did this guy get a degree in RIAA/MPAA Economics?

"You can say the Unemployed rate is 6.7%, but if count children too young to work, seniors too old to work, the sick, the disabled, the unborn, and any real or fictional person born in the future not currently working, that number is actually 7,000%. Thanks Obama"
 
2014-01-12 05:43:10 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.


Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship
 
2014-01-12 05:46:27 PM  

Descartes: But the point now is to realize that when you have nearly 92 million people deserting the labor force in a country of 317 million (many of who are children too young to work), you have a catastrophic problem on your hands.


Sooooo......  I thought he was saying that we have an unemployment rate of 29% (92 million out of 317 million), but if he's removing the too-young children from the 317, which is 61 million as of 2012, we actually have an unemployment rate of 36% (92 out of 256).

You'd think people would notice something like that, 36% unemployment.
 
2014-01-12 05:49:14 PM  

d23: MJMaloney187: Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

If he wasn't rich he must have been a loser, or at least in Rand wet dream land he would be.


You actually don't have to guess.
 
2014-01-12 05:49:48 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship


Explain yourself.
 
2014-01-12 05:52:13 PM  

The Lone Gunman: I'm not fully convinced that the author understands what "going Galt" means.


stealing corporate property, basically.
 
2014-01-12 05:53:49 PM  

Mjeck: Don't hate the ACA, but keep trying


Alternatively, we could stop trying to understand you, recognize that you're incapable of communicating even the vaguest idea of a point, and realize there's no reason to care.
 
2014-01-12 05:54:19 PM  
You guys know that ayn rand had a massive daddy complex and hated the communist state for steal their families pharmaceutical business right?
 
2014-01-12 05:54:30 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.


Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?
 
2014-01-12 05:55:30 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Mjeck: Don't hate the ACA, but keep trying

Alternatively, we could stop trying to understand you, recognize that you're incapable of communicating even the vaguest idea of a point, and realize there's no reason to care.


Then don't care, bye
 
2014-01-12 05:55:30 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?


No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.
 
2014-01-12 05:56:27 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.


You don't even know my belief...
 
2014-01-12 05:57:50 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...


You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?
 
2014-01-12 06:02:23 PM  

rebelyell2006: America does not have socialized medicine.


We have one of the most expensive socialized healthcare systems in the world.  Two, actually.  Is just that ours only cover a small fraction of the population.

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2014-01-12 06:03:24 PM  
Account created: 2005-03-25

Goddamn sleeper trolls.
 
2014-01-12 06:04:32 PM  
The real reason for the dropping labor participation rate is much more complicated than the idiots at Pajama Pants and Zerohedge want you to think.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/06/the-incre di ble-shrinking-labor-force-again/
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-12 06:05:24 PM  

rebelyell2006: You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?


How is it silly?  Our culture looks more and like feudalism every day with "corporate executives" taking the place of royalty.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-12 06:06:07 PM  

BMFPitt: rebelyell2006: America does not have socialized medicine.

We have one of the most expensive socialized healthcare systems in the world.  Two, actually.  Is just that ours only cover a small fraction of the population.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 583x620]


but that money is going to make someone rich!  Much better.
 
2014-01-12 06:07:37 PM  

d23: rebelyell2006: You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

How is it silly?  Our culture looks more and like feudalism every day with "corporate executives" taking the place of royalty.


That hasn't changed since the founding of the country. Our first president came from landed Virginian aristocracy.
 
2014-01-12 06:08:32 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?


To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-12 06:09:52 PM  

rebelyell2006: d23: rebelyell2006: You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

How is it silly?  Our culture looks more and like feudalism every day with "corporate executives" taking the place of royalty.

That hasn't changed since the founding of the country. Our first president came from landed Virginian aristocracy


You need to go back and read your history again (or maybe a more objective book).  The last thing that the founding fathers wanted was rule by who is richest.  They were scared shiatless that someone with more money than them was going to come in and tell them what to do.
 
2014-01-12 06:10:21 PM  

rebelyell2006: You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?


Because ships sink due to having Commie Nazi Socialists at the helm. Or something.
 
2014-01-12 06:11:52 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue


There was literally nothing sincere about that string of deliberately obtuse gobbledygoop.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-12 06:11:59 PM  

Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue


Blaming "libs" doesn't cut it here.  "Liberals" are kissing corporate ass, but the conservatives are doing the same thing and are proud of it.  Our lobbyist and corporate campaign systems are drowning out any normal person's voice no matter what party you are talking about.
 
2014-01-12 06:16:31 PM  
You guys are so stupid that you disagree with me.

Nope, not gonna explain what it is I believe or how you are disagreeing, nor will I provide any backup for my non-assertions.  That would just start up the PR machine, and I'm way too smart for you guys.  The data to support my assertions, whatever they might be, is out there.  Study it out.
 
2014-01-12 06:17:03 PM  

theknuckler_33: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

There was literally nothing sincere about that string of deliberately obtuse gobbledygoop.


yep. redefine the convo; nice strategy...
 
2014-01-12 06:18:01 PM  

d23: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

Blaming "libs" doesn't cut it here.  "Liberals" are kissing corporate ass, but the conservatives are doing the same thing and are proud of it.  Our lobbyist and corporate campaign systems are drowning out any normal person's voice no matter what party you are talking about.


I'm asking fark libs to be better libs; which i think is impossible on fark these days
 
2014-01-12 06:23:42 PM  

d23: rebelyell2006: d23: rebelyell2006: You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

How is it silly?  Our culture looks more and like feudalism every day with "corporate executives" taking the place of royalty.

That hasn't changed since the founding of the country. Our first president came from landed Virginian aristocracy

You need to go back and read your history again (or maybe a more objective book).  The last thing that the founding fathers wanted was rule by who is richest.  They were scared shiatless that someone with more money than them was going to come in and tell them what to do.


I'm not sure that I would agree with that. They weren't scared of the wealthy landowners/merchants/patrician families controling local, state and federal governments, because they were the wealthiest. And they did control it all. They were afraid of foreign wealth being injected into politics, but the same families running local politics in the late 1600s continued in the 1800s.
 
2014-01-12 06:26:40 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue


So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?
 
2014-01-12 06:26:50 PM  

Mjeck: theknuckler_33: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

There was literally nothing sincere about that string of deliberately obtuse gobbledygoop.

yep. redefine the convo; nice strategy...


Convo? You've basically just said that America is 'sinking', used the term 'libtards', and called the ACA socialized medicine. That's not a conversation, that's a bunch of right-wing nonsense... but you claim not to hate the ACA and that you want Fark libs to be better libs... again without explaining what that is supposed to mean.

This is not a conversation.
 
2014-01-12 06:33:02 PM  

fusillade762: Account created: 2005-03-25

Goddamn sleeper trolls.


Once again, an old account not seen in years suddenly pops up and starts posting all over the joint, making inflammatory right wing comments.  Again.  It's almost like it's a pattern often seen here on Fark.

A paranoid feller might think Fark admins and mods were using dormant accounts to flame up arguments and boost post counts and pageviews, but a rational feller would know that Fark admins and mods would never stoop to such a thing, no sir.
 
2014-01-12 06:33:06 PM  

theknuckler_33: Mjeck: theknuckler_33: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

There was literally nothing sincere about that string of deliberately obtuse gobbledygoop.

yep. redefine the convo; nice strategy...

Convo? You've basically just said that America is 'sinking', used the term 'libtards', and called the ACA socialized medicine. That's not a conversation, that's a bunch of right-wing nonsense... but you claim not to hate the ACA and that you want Fark libs to be better libs... again without explaining what that is supposed to mean.

This is not a conversation.


you are right in saying that this isn't a conversation; you are literally so tied up in your argument against the right that you are incapable of engaging in any other conversation; except one that fits your narrative
 
2014-01-12 06:35:54 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?


you are repeating yourself
 
2014-01-12 06:38:03 PM  

BMFPitt: rebelyell2006: America does not have socialized medicine.

We have one of the most expensive socialized healthcare systems in the world.  Two, actually.  Is just that ours only cover a small fraction of the population.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 583x620]


Why are we spending so much on Heath Ledger?
 
2014-01-12 06:38:27 PM  
The John Galt fantasy is one in which you are a precious snowflake with unique skills and the world can't live without you.  Protip:  roughly a billion people can replace you.
 
2014-01-12 06:39:09 PM  
Gyrfalcon: Does he REALLY believe there are now 90 million panhandlers, whores and welfare moochers lying around the nation no longer even trying to find work?

And if so, who are they? WHERE are they? There are still lots of jobs out there, why aren't some of those 90 million applying?


Yes. They're everywhere and you'd see them if you weren't so blind. But don't look toward the author or any of his friends and family; they're all successful entrepreneurs who don't need anyone's help.
 
2014-01-12 06:43:08 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself


Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?
 
2014-01-12 06:44:54 PM  

brantgoose: My guess is that if a real-life John Galt went on strike, nobody would notice him not doing whatever the hell it is he does. One, it is not billionaires who make jobs. Jobs are made by small and medum sized businesses--real entrepreneurs, not bankers, hedge funders, speculators, kleptocrats, vultures, etc.


Interestingly, Galt was supposed to be an engineer ("and philosopher" *eyeroll*) so his inventions *would* create things and be missed, but no one would notice him "not doing anything" because technological advancement doesn't have a dependable or plottable "track" like production on an assembly line does.  But the bigger problem is he was Superman.  John Galt and his merry band of inventors weren't just smart techs, the things they were creating were the trappings of a post-scarcity society, a world where supply is infinite and traditional supply and demand cannot exist.  And he did this on his lonesome, which doesn't work in the real world, because he was just better in every possible way.

John Galt was inherently an inhuman being, and the ethical positions regarding him were likewise outside of humanity.

The big money does not make jobs. The big money destroys jobs to pump up their bottom lines, to pay a dividend, and to make themselves look good with shareholders who don't know or care about the real world or Main Street, but only dividends or share prices.

An oversimplification, but still mostly accurate.  Here:

i75.photobucket.com

Now think for a minute, Human behavior is economic behavior, ALL human behavior.  Think back to the time before we had the word "economics", we still had property, we still had power, we still had money even if it was measured in beaver pelts.  And just because something is illegal or without laws does not mean it is not "economic" in nature.  When someone exploits the Wide-screen television resource that is available in your living room and trades it to a drug dealer for a desired commodity which he may choose to consume or re-sell, he is actually just practicing TRULY free-market economics.

He's also stealing your TV and selling it for smack, but that doesn't sound very pseudoscientific.

And when someone swore allegiance to his chief, to fight and die at his command, or when someone trades their physical labor for the spiritual currency of whatever religion they believe in that too can be described in economic terms.

And to bring it around, the kings and warlords and slavemasters of old, who owned monopolies on land, military force, and even people did not descend from on high by the will of the gods, they were just successful, better-than-average Galtic Alphas who rose above the common masses, gained ownership of everything they could by whatever means they could, and passed their properties on to their descendants.

And the only difference between the law that says the king owns you as a serf and the law that says the CEO owns everything EXCEPT you is that the king was more likely to care about your health and well-being.  Either way they still decide if you have dinner or starve.
 
2014-01-12 06:46:03 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?


I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer
 
2014-01-12 06:48:59 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer


Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.
 
2014-01-12 06:53:18 PM  

Jackson Herring: reminder: PJ Media was one of the original blogs that caused the phrase "your blog sucks" to become part of the fark lexicon


I wonder if "jammie wearin' fool" is still around.
 
2014-01-12 06:53:42 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer

Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.


Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right
 
2014-01-12 06:54:21 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer

Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.

Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right


Did you have another stroke?
 
2014-01-12 06:58:01 PM  

Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;


Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"
The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.
 
2014-01-12 06:58:08 PM  

rebelyell2006: Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?


I'm sorry, I've completely lost track of this conversation. Which one is the feigned farkwit and which one if the guy feeding the feigning farkwit's ego? I really can't tell.

/You or the other guy are playing ping-pong with balls made of stupid and nothing.
 
2014-01-12 06:58:56 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer

Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.

Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?


yep...  can't converse unless it fits your narrative.....
 
2014-01-12 06:59:29 PM  

spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.



Just to be clear, there's nothing that MJMaloney187 said that was technically wrong, although he didn't word it correctly. John Galt WAS working for Taggart Transcontinent in the book, under a psuedonym (He had many close conversations in the cafeteria with Eddie Willers). He did it to stay close to Dagny, whom he had a crush on and was stalking throughout the entire novel. And they of course fall in love because Ayn Rand doesn't understand human psychology at all.

And yes, he invented a fantasy engine (while working for the 20th Century Motor Company) that uses science fiction physics to work and is so far advanced beyond anything anyone has ever done before that no one on the entire planet has the intelligence or the skill to duplicate or reverse-engineer his genius, even when they have a working copy of the engine and the motherfarking blueprints for its construction that just happened to be lying around in an abandoned factory. Because he's just that super brilliant, gosh darnit.

/read the whole book while sitting on the can
//took me 2.5 years to use all the pages
 
2014-01-12 07:00:14 PM  

Bloody William: rebelyell2006: Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?

I'm sorry, I've completely lost track of this conversation. Which one is the feigned farkwit and which one if the guy feeding the feigning farkwit's ego? I really can't tell.

/You or the other guy are playing ping-pong with balls made of stupid and nothing.


He's the farkwit, I'm just feeding him because I am sitting in a hospital waiting room with nothing better to do.
 
2014-01-12 07:00:19 PM  

Bloody William: rebelyell2006: Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?

I'm sorry, I've completely lost track of this conversation. Which one is the feigned farkwit and which one if the guy feeding the feigning farkwit's ego? I really can't tell.

/You or the other guy are playing ping-pong with balls made of stupid and nothing.


Trolls trolling trolling trolls who are trolling the trolling troll trolls.

or "I'm bored entertain me."

Hrm, going somewhere else now.
 
2014-01-12 07:00:33 PM  

TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.


I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard
 
2014-01-12 07:01:19 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: This is why no one listens to Americans about anything. You're all a caricature of humanity.

[img.fark.net image 850x637]


Pardon me for mentioning it, and, I leave it completely open to my having a major brain fart, because I have some doozies, but...don't "4th highest 20%" and "2nd lowest 20%" actually mean the same thing?
 
2014-01-12 07:01:41 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer

Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.

Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?

yep...  can't converse unless it fits your narrative.....


I cannot have a conversation when all you post are pithy nonsensical statements.
 
2014-01-12 07:03:36 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer

Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.

Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?

yep...  can't c ...


educate yourself beyond your own narrative
 
2014-01-12 07:04:46 PM  

Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard


You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.
 
2014-01-12 07:05:13 PM  

The Lone Gunman: I'm not fully convinced that the author understands what "going Galt" means.


that is ok, he doesn't understand how to use graphs either.

cdn.pjmedia.com
 
2014-01-12 07:05:54 PM  

rebelyell2006: I cannot have a conversation when all you post are pithy nonsensical statements.


SO STOP RESPONDING TO HIM! Jesus Christ! Your exchange with him looks like a list of the world's shiattiest fortune cookie fortunes. It isn't even an argument!
 
2014-01-12 07:06:14 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer

Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.

Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?

yep...  can't c ...

educate yourself beyond your own narrative


What narrative are you talking about now? How many different directions are you taking this pseudo-conversation?
 
2014-01-12 07:06:33 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.


can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....
 
2014-01-12 07:07:44 PM  

Ishkur: And yes, he invented a fantasy engine (while working for the 20th Century Motor Company) that uses science fiction physics to work and is so far advanced beyond anything anyone has ever done before that no one on the entire planet has the intelligence or the skill to duplicate or reverse-engineer his genius, even when they have a working copy of the engine and the motherfarking blueprints for its construction that just happened to be lying around in an abandoned factory. Because he's just that super brilliant, gosh darnit.


shiat, just pay the Chinese to copy it.
 
2014-01-12 07:08:24 PM  

Mjeck: i literally found


No, you didn't. Literal means it happened exactly as it is described. You figuratively found it. You are making a comparison, not asserting that you actually found a PR agent oh Jesus Christ I managed to avoid a politics argument but grammar trolling went straight up my ass into my ragebrain. Well played.
 
2014-01-12 07:08:27 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.

can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....


I cannot win an argument if you won't provide one beyond your silly statement about sinking ships. Provide an argument.
 
2014-01-12 07:09:21 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer

Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.

Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another st ...


the narrative of you against the libertarian right-wing nutjob;  anything else and you;re lost
 
2014-01-12 07:09:51 PM  

Bloody William: It isn't even an argument!


Yes it is
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-12 07:10:25 PM  

ZeroCorpse: BMFPitt: rebelyell2006: America does not have socialized medicine.

We have one of the most expensive socialized healthcare systems in the world.  Two, actually.  Is just that ours only cover a small fraction of the population.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 583x620]

Why are we spending so much on Heath Ledger?


Did I miss a joke, or is that an amazing autocorrect?
 
2014-01-12 07:10:26 PM  

Bloody William: Mjeck: i literally found

No, you didn't. Literal means it happened exactly as it is described. You figuratively found it. You are making a comparison, not asserting that you actually found a PR agent oh Jesus Christ I managed to avoid a politics argument but grammar trolling went straight up my ass into my ragebrain. Well played.


nope, even mark twain says I'm ok to use the word literally...
 
2014-01-12 07:10:52 PM  
Atlas Shrugged is a lot more fun to read if you pretend the whole thing is satire.
 
2014-01-12 07:11:35 PM  
John Galt was a warm and gentle voice of reason in a time of great madness.  He coined the phrase "Make love, not war."  While other people were chanting "Burn baby burn," he was talking about love and peace and understanding.  I cherish each and every one of his books and I wish he'd written more.  And I think that if you had experienced even a little bit of the sixties, you might feel the same way too.
 
2014-01-12 07:12:37 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.

can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....

I cannot win an argument if you won't provide one beyond your silly statement about sinking ships. Provide an argument.


I already provided an argument; BE A BETTER LIBERAL; EXPECT MORE FOR YOURSELF OTHER THAN DEFEATING SOME LIBERTARIAN RIGHTWING NUT JOB....  get it?  nope...probably not; it don't fit your narrative
 
2014-01-12 07:14:33 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.

can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....

I cannot win an argument if you won't provide one beyond your silly statement about sinking ships. Provide an argument.

I already provided an argument; BE A BETTER LIBERAL; EXPECT MORE FOR YOURSELF OTHER THAN DEFEATING SOME LIBERTARIAN RIGHTWING NUT JOB....  get it?  nope...probably not; it don't fit your narrative


None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?
 
2014-01-12 07:15:53 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.

can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....

I cannot win an argument if you won't provide one beyond your silly statement about sinking ships. Provide an argument.

I already provided an argument; BE A BETTER LIBERAL; EXPECT MORE FOR YOURSELF OTHER THAN DEFEATING SOME LIBERTARIAN RIGHTWING NUT JOB....  get it?  nope...probably not; it don't fit your narrative

None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?


yep... low level PR liberal confirmed.
 
2014-01-12 07:26:40 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck


Are you guys capable of quoting portions of replies instead of the whole god damn post? Can you please do that for now on? Your egos are filling up the thread like a three day old diaper.
 
2014-01-12 07:30:05 PM  

Ishkur: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck

Are you guys capable of quoting portions of replies instead of the whole god damn post? Can you please do that for now on? Your egos are filling up the thread like a three day old diaper.


lol
 
2014-01-12 07:33:45 PM  

Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: TheBigJerk: Mjeck: To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out;

Except they are not, the source has already been discredited, the U6 is well-known to be going down, and the folk not covered by the U6 are either retired or dead, so their involvement or lack thereof needs some brand of explanation as to why it counts.

Are you saying all those retirees are going to be a problem in the country?

Libs are engaging the dichotomy

This term is too vague to have any meaning, since you are labeling the "libtards" and telling us what "they" think why don't you explain what "The Dichotomy" is instead of just saying those words?  What dichotomy?
 rather than fixing or discussing the issue

"The issue" being...unemployment?  Well "The Libs" have already engaged that problem with limited success, the Republicans are countering by repeatedly sabotaging recovery efforts and lying about any successes.

I don't care what the Right has said; try to be a better liberal and expect more from yourself; more than defeating the right...an admitted retard

You're signing your posts with "an admitted retard" now? That makes some sense.

can't win argument; start ad hominem  attacks; i literally found the Liberal PR agent I am speaking about....

I cannot win an argument if you won't provide one beyond your silly statement about sinking ships. Provide an argument.

I already provided an argument; BE A BETTER LIBERAL; EXPECT MORE FOR YOURSELF OTHER THAN DEFEATING SOME LIBERTARIAN RIGHTWING NUT JOB....  get it?  nope...probably not; it don't fit your narrative

None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?

yep... low level PR liberal confirmed.


Why do you say that I am from Puerto Rico?
 
2014-01-12 07:38:08 PM  

rebelyell2006: Why do you say that I am from Puerto Rico?


you;re probably a great guy; I'm just old so.... you know... get off my lawn and stuff
 
2014-01-12 07:44:25 PM  

Jackson Herring: reminder: PJ Media was one of the original blogs that caused the phrase "your blog sucks" to become part of the fark lexicon


They also hired Sam The Unlicensed Plumber's Assistant as a war correspondent.
 
2014-01-12 07:46:58 PM  

spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.


Guys, CLEARLY John Galt destroyed the Death Star.
 
2014-01-12 07:56:03 PM  
 
2014-01-12 07:57:21 PM  
This thread:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-12 08:05:00 PM  

Mjeck: You don't even know my belief...



It appears that you believe in making vague sweeping statements so you can insult the people who don't successfully read your mind.
 
2014-01-12 08:06:09 PM  
Guess I'm in this category. Prime earning years but I've bowed out of the labor market. It's not because of taxes, it's because companies treat tech worker like crap and if you want a "but government" cause, the government is constantly trying to replace me with H1B holders. No thanks. I can live a long time on my savings, though a much simpler and less consumption based one. If Corporate America wants people like me, they're going to have to start treating us like humans and not like an expense that is company enemy number one.

/Seriously, when you're on the 9-6 Monday-Friday (or more accurately 9-9 Sunday-Saturday) treadmill, you end up spending money on lots of convenience goods and services that are expensive and easy to take care of on your own when you have lots of free time.
 
2014-01-12 08:09:06 PM  

rebelyell2006: None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?


Good, I'm not the only one who had no clue.
 
2014-01-12 08:21:04 PM  

themindiswatching: rebelyell2006: None of that makes any sense. Can you translate it into English?

Good, I'm not the only one who had no clue.


It doesn't have to make sense.  He's treadshaitting.
 
2014-01-12 08:21:26 PM  

MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).


Yeah, I read a story about a laborer who worked with industrialists that averted a global invasion crisis by playing both sides.

Oh wait, that was Dr. Who. About the same fidelity to real life, too.

/"looter class"? GTFO
 
2014-01-12 08:39:22 PM  
Done in one.
 
2014-01-12 08:44:45 PM  

rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

You're so scared of progress and the 21st century that you compare America to a sinking ship?

Lol, you just introduced socialized health care, 60 years after every other 1st world country...and I'm behind the times?! .... Nice

America does not have socialized medicine. But you did not address my post.

Too address your post, yes, America is a sinking ship

Explain yourself.

Huh? So you can start the PR machine? ...can read the data, bro?

No. I just want to know what makes your head tick, why you hold such a silly belief.

You don't even know my belief...

You said it yourself, "America is a sinking ship". Why do you hold such a silly belief?

To be as sincere as possible; I'm looking at the data, people are dropping out; Libs are engaging the dichotomy rather than fixing or discussing the issue

So you have silly beliefs and you are making nonsensical statements. Did you have a stroke? I am fairly certain we are discussing an issue in this thread, but perhaps not the issue that you are wanting to discuss. What issue are you specifically talking about?

you are repeating yourself

Well, I have to ask the same questions multiple times because you won't answer them. Why are you avoiding the conversation?

I answered the question sincerely; I was reprimanded for speaking gobbley-gook; I'm telling you that unless I'm a libertarian or a right-wing nutjob, you are at a loss for an answer

Only because you won't provide one. Stop avoiding the conversation.

Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?

yep...  can't converse unless it fits your narrative.....

I cannot have a conversation when all you post are pithy nonsensical statements.


SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP!
Jesus TittyFarking Christ y'all are acting like a bunch of godamn children! Please, do shut up. We're all tired of you going back and forth.
 
2014-01-12 09:11:22 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Yeah, I read a story about a laborer who worked with industrialists that averted a global invasion crisis by playing both sides.

Oh wait, that was Dr. Who. About the same fidelity to real life, too.

/"looter class"? GTFO


Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged in the 1950s. It should be comforting to know that politics never changes; it'll always be Working Man vs. Regulatory Man. In the book, Regulatory Man was out of control and Working Man said, "screw you guys, I'm outta here." It wasn't a screed pitting government against greedy individualists. I really liked it. In my opinion, it's such an amazing slog of a read that, if you actually read it, you feel like a marathon runner crossing the finish line.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for or against Rand's ideologies. It's the opposite. I remember a while back some idiot in Arizona (maybe?) decided to harvest Americonium (sp?) from smoke detectors so make his own private nuclear reactor. In this instance, all hail Regulatory Man for putting a stop to it. But, believe it or not, there exist a harmony between Working Man and Regulatory Man. They're called traffic laws. So it can happen, but for the record, Atlas Shrugged is the opposite of Madoff-Enron schemes and schemers.

/"looter class" is an expression from the book. Educate yourself, ya Rube.
 
2014-01-12 09:15:59 PM  

MJMaloney187: Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged in the 1950s. It should be comforting to know that politics never changes; it'll always be Working Man vs. Regulatory Man.


No, it's never been like that at all. Ever. Throughout history.
 
2014-01-12 09:23:53 PM  

MJMaloney187: there exist a harmony between Working Man and Regulatory Man. They're called traffic laws.


Never driven on the East Coast I see.
 
2014-01-12 09:28:23 PM  

MJMaloney187: sobriquet by any other name: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Yeah, I read a story about a laborer who worked with industrialists that averted a global invasion crisis by playing both sides.

Oh wait, that was Dr. Who. About the same fidelity to real life, too.

/"looter class"? GTFO

Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged in the 1950s. It should be comforting to know that politics never changes; it'll always be Working Man vs. Regulatory Man. In the book, Regulatory Man was out of control and Working Man said, "screw you guys, I'm outta here." It wasn't a screed pitting government against greedy individualists. I really liked it. In my opinion, it's such an amazing slog of a read that, if you actually read it, you feel like a marathon runner crossing the finish line.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for or against Rand's ideologies. It's the opposite. I remember a while back some idiot in Arizona (maybe?) decided to harvest Americonium (sp?) from smoke detectors so make his own private nuclear reactor. In this instance, all hail Regulatory Man for putting a stop to it. But, believe it or not, there exist a harmony between Working Man and Regulatory Man. They're called traffic laws. So it can happen, but for the record, Atlas Shrugged is the opposite of Madoff-Enron schemes and schemers.

/"looter class" is an expression from the book. Educate yourself, ya Rube.


So where do management and CEOs fit in with the workers vs. regulators? Are they the looter class?
 
2014-01-12 09:54:07 PM  

Ringshadow: Guys, CLEARLY John Galt destroyed the Death Star.


John Galt  is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life
 
2014-01-12 10:00:10 PM  

Ringshadow: Guys, CLEARLY John Galt destroyed the Death Star.


Blowing up other people's property is more of a Howard Roark thing.

/Also, rape but apparently not rape-rape
 
2014-01-12 10:03:56 PM  

spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.


I'm glad you pointed this out. This hero of many self proclaimed capitalists performed work on his employer's dime but he thought that he shouldn't have to share the fruits of the labor he was paid for with his employer. Even though he was being paid for his time and effort, instead of giving the company the results of those payments he decided to greedily keep it for himself because of his ideological problem with the company management. Is there a conservative or libertarian here who would like to defend the practice of not giving one's employer what they were paid for? For keeping to oneself work done on company time and the company dime? If he has handed off his work and notes before quitting that would be one thing, but he didn't. He just abandons the project he was being paid for.

It's also important to note as you mentioned that Galt was not rich. When he and his friends decided that using high seas piracy to steal aid money that they viewed as "stolen" from wealthy taxpayers, it is important to note that they were not wealthy taxpayers. They had absolutely zero claim to the money that they were "liberating". They were plainly criminals. Not only did they not have any claim to the money they stole, their whole "Robin Hood" justification is laid bare by the fact that they kept the money for themselves and their group. They made no effort to return that money to they people who actually paid the taxes, except as the occasional bribe to get people to join their cult. They were really no different from the SLA knocking over banks. Galt's group were quite literally the real looters in the story.
 
2014-01-12 10:25:22 PM  
Mjeck: YOU CAN'T PIGEON-HOLE ME, MAAAAAAAAAAAAN

So you come in here blathering typical Fark IndependentTM drivel that isn't true and sidestep any attempt to nail down what your position actually IS.
9/10 trolling: you forgot to mention how you voted for Obama.
 
2014-01-12 10:39:57 PM  

Thrag: They made no effort to return that money to they people who actually paid the taxes, except as the occasional bribe to get people to join their cult. They were really no different from the SLA knocking over banks. Galt's group were quite literally the real looters in the story.


What is the cross over between Rand fans and Nietzsche fans?
 
2014-01-12 10:40:33 PM  

brantgoose: John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot who wrote 1,000-page anti-Communist pamphlets because her daddy got his pharmacy taken away from him when she was a little girl because their family was Jewish.


FTFY.
 
2014-01-12 11:10:23 PM  
Haven't you figured it out yet?  The rich are having the poor and unemployed rounded up so they can hunt them for sport in private reserves,

Then... they eat them.
 
2014-01-12 11:23:56 PM  

Thrag: Galt's group were quite literally the real looters in the story.


Nice post. Quite correct. The irony, it burns.
 
2014-01-12 11:27:42 PM  

Bloody William: rebelyell2006: Here's the answer: Try to be a better liberal and stop judging yourself against your response to the right

Did you have another stroke?

I'm sorry, I've completely lost track of this conversation. Which one is the feigned farkwit and which one if the guy feeding the feigning farkwit's ego? I really can't tell.

/You or the other guy are playing ping-pong with balls made of stupid and nothing.


This is just someone's darling little alt (not rebelyell--mjeck) who comes in, makes an inflammatory yet inscrutable statement; then spends the entire remainder of the thread saying essentially: "I refuse to respond because libslibslibs." I'd figure out who it is who does this all the time if I cared enough to go back through the Farkives; but it's just some damn troll. Does it all the freaking time, and some idiot always obligingly snaps at the "I refuse to respond because you're too stupid to go read the data for yourself" bait.

Stop feeding it, and it will crawl back under its bridge.
 
2014-01-12 11:40:36 PM  
The Puritans already did this.

And the Native Americans before them.

Humans love going Galt all the time. And guess what? The world laughs and moves on.

/Al Franken-inspired moment: And then the Galters start... working again and... become the world's strongest superpower.
 
2014-01-12 11:56:35 PM  
narwhaler.com
 
2014-01-13 12:04:48 AM  

real_headhoncho: Haven't you figured it out yet?  The rich are having the poor and unemployed rounded up so they can hunt them for sport in private reserves,

Then... they eat them.


That's absurd.

There's no way the .01%ers are going to eat filthy poor people. Feed them to their servants, maybe.
 
2014-01-13 12:25:13 AM  

brantgoose: John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.


Dear God that needs to be on a shirt.
 
2014-01-13 01:03:37 AM  
IronMensan
It only really works when there are enough people following it. Otherwise those that do get farked by those that don't. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma


The solution in an interated situation is to have a memory. Give someone a chance at first. Then if they screw you once, never trust them again (very occasionally, give them a chance, just in case). For best results, share your data with others who have proven themselves worthy of not being on your shiat list. Assuming indidividuals playing this strategy are at least numerous enough to interact with each other fairly regularly, they will eventually dominate the system.
(The individual best solution in a non-iterated scenario is to betray, which is, I think, why contemporary capitalism works so hard at social alienation- it makes every interaction a non-iterated one, which makes it impossible for people to organize.)


d23
You need to go back and read your history again (or maybe a more objective book). The last thing that the founding fathers wanted was rule by who is richest.

"The man who is possessed of wealth, who lolls on his sofa or rolls in his carriage, cannot judge the wants or feelings of the day-laborer. The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe, - when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability."
James Madison
 
2014-01-13 01:16:24 AM  

blastoh: The Lone Gunman: I'm not fully convinced that the author understands what "going Galt" means.

that is ok, he doesn't understand how to use graphs either.

[cdn.pjmedia.com image 707x439]


Ed Tufte is spinning in his grave.

/And he's not even dead yet.
 
2014-01-13 01:17:50 AM  

Bloody William: rebelyell2006: I cannot have a conversation when all you post are pithy nonsensical statements.

SO STOP RESPONDING TO HIM! Jesus Christ! Your exchange with him looks like a list of the world's shiattiest fortune cookie fortunes. It isn't even an argument!


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-13 01:40:52 AM  

Ricardo Klement: Bloody William: rebelyell2006: I cannot have a conversation when all you post are pithy nonsensical statements.

SO STOP RESPONDING TO HIM! Jesus Christ! Your exchange with him looks like a list of the world's shiattiest fortune cookie fortunes. It isn't even an argument!

[media.tumblr.com image 150x98]


Fox: I'm charging you under Section 21 of the Strange Sketch Act.
Man: The what?
Fox: You are hereby charged that you did wilfully take part in a strange sketch, that is, a skit, spoof or humorous vignette of an unconventional nature with intent to cause grievous mental confusion to the Great British Public.
 
2014-01-13 02:12:30 AM  

vudukungfu: Who is John Galt?


This guy:

www.startrek.com

He died recently, BTW.
 
2014-01-13 02:39:22 AM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2014-01-13 03:03:45 AM  

The Lone Gunman: I'm not fully convinced that the author understands what "going Galt" means.


A lack of understanding is entirely appropriate for Pajamas Media.
 
x23
2014-01-13 04:55:59 AM  

Chameleon: You guys are so stupid that you disagree with me.

Nope, not gonna explain what it is I believe or how you are disagreeing, nor will I provide any backup for my non-assertions.  That would just start up the PR machine, and I'm way too smart for you guys.  The data to support my assertions, whatever they might be, is out there.  Study it out.


this was more interesting and made more sense than anything that guy has actually said to this point or since this was posted. sadly... i think he just passed right over this comment with absolutely no idea that it was about him and his obtuse inanity.

i'm not saying he has a personality disorder or any form of mental retardation... but i wouldn't be surprised to learn he does.
 
x23
2014-01-13 04:59:59 AM  
Mjeck: rebelyell2006: Why do you say that I am from Puerto Rico?

you;re probably a great guy; I'm just old so.... you know... get off my lawn and stuff



you aren't just old. you are old and an obtuse moron with extremely poor communication skills. don't sell yourself short.
 
x23
2014-01-13 05:02:53 AM  
and poof! now the thread is 1/3rd shorter.
 
2014-01-13 05:10:51 AM  
I always get an extra kick out of threads in which the work of Ayn Rand is seriously discussed as if it had any philosophical or literary merit.
Next, a post-ironic deconstruction of the film "Pee-Wee's Great Adventure".
 
2014-01-13 06:33:57 AM  

Thrag: spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.

I'm glad you pointed this out. This hero of many self proclaimed capitalists performed work on his employer's dime but he thought that he shouldn't have to share the fruits of the labor he was paid for with his employer. Even though he was being paid for his time and effort, instead of giving the company the results of those payments he decided to greedily keep it for himself because of his ideological problem with the company management. Is there a conservative or libertarian here who would like to defend the practice of not giving one's employer what they were paid for? For keeping to oneself work done on company ti ...


He didn't keep it. He left it at the factory and walked away. Nobody else could figure out how to make it work. This subplot only comprises about 200 pages of the book so it's easy to see how you might have missed it.

You're correct though, talented people were quitting their jobs left and right. Regulatory Man nipped this abuse of free will by making it a law that "nobody can quit and nobody can be fired without government permission". Sweet, sweet utopia.
 
2014-01-13 06:55:38 AM  

Ringshadow: spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.

Guys, CLEARLY John Galt destroyed the Death Star.


And Ayn Rand died on the dole... end of all argument.
 
2014-01-13 07:06:39 AM  

RanDomino: IronMensan
It only really works when there are enough people following it. Otherwise those that do get farked by those that don't. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

The solution in an interated situation is to have a memory. Give someone a chance at first. Then if they screw you once, never trust them again (very occasionally, give them a chance, just in case). For best results, share your data with others who have proven themselves worthy of not being on your shiat list. Assuming indidividuals playing this strategy are at least numerous enough to interact with each other fairly regularly, they will eventually dominate the system.
(The individual best solution in a non-iterated scenario is to betray, which is, I think, why contemporary capitalism works so hard at social alienation- it makes every interaction a non-iterated one, which makes it impossible for people to organize.)


d23
You need to go back and read your history again (or maybe a more objective book). The last thing that the founding fathers wanted was rule by who is richest.

"The man who is possessed of wealth, who lolls on his sofa or rolls in his carriage, cannot judge the wants or feelings of the day-laborer. The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe, - when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the gov ...


James Madison: unapologetic apologist for the obscenely rich... TAX THESE SWINE!
 
2014-01-13 07:38:55 AM  

rebelyell2006: So where do management and CEOs fit in with the workers vs. regulators? Are they the looter class?


The Taggart Man broke with the regulators, the Taggart Woman with the workers. That these two locked horns throughout Rand's 1200(ish) page behemoth may only be interesting or notable for a book nerd like me.
 
2014-01-13 08:58:17 AM  

Orange-Pippin: Doktor_Zhivago: Wait people have actually finished an ayn rand book? Last I tries I got like 12 pages in before I wanted to end my life...

Thank you. From a literary standpoint it's the most boring, ignorant, piece of tripe I have ever had the misfortune of picking up. As for Galt not being a fascist-rich-Superman, I would argue instead that he was a horrible human being that spent half the book arguing rational selfishness (rational egoism). Everything that Jesus, Ghandi, the current Pope or anyone with an actual soul argued against. How this makes him a "hero" to the GoP I will never know...wait a minute...


Ayn Rand never heard of the tragedy of the commons.
 
2014-01-13 10:20:45 AM  
You gotta hand it to Pajamas Media. They...still exist.
 
2014-01-13 11:08:33 AM  

MJMaloney187: He didn't keep it. He left it at the factory and walked away. Nobody else could figure out how to make it work. This subplot only comprises about 200 pages of the book so it's easy to see how you might have missed it.


No, that's exactly what I am talking about. Sure, he left the engine behind, but he left zero notes and did not transition the information to anyone. He took the selfishly took for himself all the knowledge he was paid to create. The prototype itself is not the only work product, in fact it is the least of the work. It's like if a programmer quit and deleted all the source code but you'd argue "hey, but they left a complied alpha version!". Will you defend really an employee just walking out on the employer and not giving over the work they were paid for? If GM hired an engineer to work on a new engine and they just up and quit leaving behind a prototype engine but either taking or destroying all plans, notes, etc. so that nobody else could figure out the prototype you'd think that was perfectly okay?

Please, defend this practice. I need a good laugh today.
 
2014-01-13 11:20:06 AM  

Thrag: MJMaloney187: He didn't keep it. He left it at the factory and walked away. Nobody else could figure out how to make it work. This subplot only comprises about 200 pages of the book so it's easy to see how you might have missed it.

No, that's exactly what I am talking about. Sure, he left the engine behind, but he left zero notes and did not transition the information to anyone. He took the selfishly took for himself all the knowledge he was paid to create. The prototype itself is not the only work product, in fact it is the least of the work. It's like if a programmer quit and deleted all the source code but you'd argue "hey, but they left a complied alpha version!". Will you defend really an employee just walking out on the employer and not giving over the work they were paid for? If GM hired an engineer to work on a new engine and they just up and quit leaving behind a prototype engine but either taking or destroying all plans, notes, etc. so that nobody else could figure out the prototype you'd think that was perfectly okay?

Please, defend this practice. I need a good laugh today.


Did you read Atlas Shrugged?
 
2014-01-13 11:20:22 AM  

spongeboob: MJMaloney187: brantgoose: Dumbass.

John Galt was a super-rich facist superman who went on strike against the tax man in the wet-dream fantasy of a White Russian harlot.

Not that you would know because you obviously didn't read the book, but John Galt was a laborer for the Taggart Transcontinental railroad company. He invented an engine that ran on atmospheric static electricity, then abandoned it. He was not a billionaire and he certainly wasn't a "facist-superman".

In the end, it was the looter class that captured him and were getting ready to torture him for the engine. He escaped. (spoiler alert).

Sure you read the book
The novel unfolds in a progressive retrospective, with Galt, the son of an Ohio garage mechanic, leaving home at age twelve and beginning college at the fictional Patrick Henry University at age sixteen. There he meets Francisco d'Anconia and Ragnar Danneskjöld, who become his two closest friends. Galt takes a double major in physics and philosophy, and after graduating, he becomes an engineer at the Twentieth Century Motor Company, where he designs a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity. When the company owners decide to run the factory by the collectivist maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need", Galt refuses to work there any longer and abandons his motor.


So in other words this Galt dude is a typical everyman whose accomplishments are totally feasibly done by someone living in the real world who obviously wasn't mentored by people who nurtured him instead of forcing him to learn everything about the world on his own aka his own bootstrappiness.

(yeah I realize this is a fictional character we're talking about here, but using characters in fiction as real life examples as to how one should live one's life is foolish... and I think someone like Ted Kord would be a better role model, and if you wanted to keep it all Objectivist friendly maybe Vic "the Question" Sage counts too, especially early stories)
 
2014-01-13 11:34:02 AM  

MJMaloney187: Thrag: MJMaloney187: He didn't keep it. He left it at the factory and walked away. Nobody else could figure out how to make it work. This subplot only comprises about 200 pages of the book so it's easy to see how you might have missed it.

No, that's exactly what I am talking about. Sure, he left the engine behind, but he left zero notes and did not transition the information to anyone. He took the selfishly took for himself all the knowledge he was paid to create. The prototype itself is not the only work product, in fact it is the least of the work. It's like if a programmer quit and deleted all the source code but you'd argue "hey, but they left a complied alpha version!". Will you defend really an employee just walking out on the employer and not giving over the work they were paid for? If GM hired an engineer to work on a new engine and they just up and quit leaving behind a prototype engine but either taking or destroying all plans, notes, etc. so that nobody else could figure out the prototype you'd think that was perfectly okay?

Please, defend this practice. I need a good laugh today.

Did you read Atlas Shrugged?


Almost 25 years ago, and honestly I only made it a bit more than 3/4 of the way through the book before the terrible writing and self contradictory characters made me put it down so I've only skimmed the giant speech part. I do have to admit I really enjoyed at least the first half of the book and blazed through it, but the last act just got ridiculous and tiresome.

Now, I'm sure you have some additional nitpick like perhaps maybe he left some unintelligible notes that were worthless to anyone, but how about addressing the actual point? The guy left knowing he was screwing his employer by keeping all the useful knowledge to himself. He was paid to do a job, he left and kept the essential work product of that job to himself. The company was unable to do anything with what he did deign to leave behind. Do you defend the practice of an employee refusing to give a company all the important knowledge they were being paid to create? If you were to hire a researcher and while in your employ and on your dime they performed the research but just decided to up and quit one day without actually transitioning the research to you, would you be totally okay with that?
 
2014-01-13 11:40:36 AM  
I do like the fact that apparently the only thing the Rand defender in this thread can attempt to address is nitpicking my statement that Galt didn't leave behind his work product. It's nice to see that not even an attempt can be made to refute the plain fact that Galt's cult were the real looters in that they were actually performing criminal acts. I expected at least a weak "but they were just keeping all the gold so they could give it back later" or pointing out the gold bars "returned" in the cult's recruiting efforts.
 
2014-01-13 11:45:02 AM  

Thrag: MJMaloney187: Thrag: MJMaloney187: He didn't keep it. He left it at the factory and walked away. Nobody else could figure out how to make it work. This subplot only comprises about 200 pages of the book so it's easy to see how you might have missed it.

No, that's exactly what I am talking about. Sure, he left the engine behind, but he left zero notes and did not transition the information to anyone. He took the selfishly took for himself all the knowledge he was paid to create. The prototype itself is not the only work product, in fact it is the least of the work. It's like if a programmer quit and deleted all the source code but you'd argue "hey, but they left a complied alpha version!". Will you defend really an employee just walking out on the employer and not giving over the work they were paid for? If GM hired an engineer to work on a new engine and they just up and quit leaving behind a prototype engine but either taking or destroying all plans, notes, etc. so that nobody else could figure out the prototype you'd think that was perfectly okay?

Please, defend this practice. I need a good laugh today.

Did you read Atlas Shrugged?

Almost 25 years ago, and honestly I only made it a bit more than 3/4 of the way through the book  ...



I only read 3/4 of your response so I'm going to emphatically assume you apologized to me for being wrong.

Apology accepted.   I think we're done here.
 
2014-01-13 11:58:19 AM  

firefly212: Mjeck: Fart_Machine: Mjeck: Let me get this straight;

Libtards on a sinking Titanic, are arguing that the deck chairs are all safely at the stern; therefore the ship ain't sinkin'. ....nice

Create strawman.
Knock it down.
Repeat again in every thread.

You're a boring troll.

What strawman? You don't even know me bro...

I'd say the opposite side is true... the deck chairs are askew, so you morons think the ship is sinking.

For the first time in more than a decade, I can afford to contribute to my own health insurance, mostly because now my tax dollars help to cover me, instead of just going towards the old (Medicare), the poor (Medicaid), the young (CHiP), and federal employees. Ya, there are problems, it took me more than a month to get enrolled, and I had to verify my citizenship 3 times, then send a check to BCBS because apparently this whole wacky online payment thing is far too newfangled for them. That said, on Jan 1st, for the first time in ever, I got all four of my MS drugs in the same month, until then, they had cost more than I actually make in a month... so right now, the conservative "solution" is to scuttle the ship, for me to be uninsured again, and hope that maybe you f@#@ers can come up with something more than the NOTHING AT ALL you've come up with since you killed HillaryCare with the idea that the conservatives could craft a better solution. You hate the ACA, fine... come to the grown ups table when you have something better to offer, until then, don't expect us to fall for the same damn trick twice.


So, 'fark you, I got mine'?
 
2014-01-13 12:00:22 PM  

MJMaloney187: Thrag: MJMaloney187: Thrag: MJMaloney187: He didn't keep it. He left it at the factory and walked away. Nobody else could figure out how to make it work. This subplot only comprises about 200 pages of the book so it's easy to see how you might have missed it.

No, that's exactly what I am talking about. Sure, he left the engine behind, but he left zero notes and did not transition the information to anyone. He took the selfishly took for himself all the knowledge he was paid to create. The prototype itself is not the only work product, in fact it is the least of the work. It's like if a programmer quit and deleted all the source code but you'd argue "hey, but they left a complied alpha version!". Will you defend really an employee just walking out on the employer and not giving over the work they were paid for? If GM hired an engineer to work on a new engine and they just up and quit leaving behind a prototype engine but either taking or destroying all plans, notes, etc. so that nobody else could figure out the prototype you'd think that was perfectly okay?

Please, defend this practice. I need a good laugh today.

Did you read Atlas Shrugged?

Almost 25 years ago, and honestly I only made it a bit more than 3/4 of the way through the book  ...


I only read 3/4 of your response so I'm going to emphatically assume you apologized to me for being wrong.

Apology accepted.   I think we're done here.


Well, if a whole lot of nothing like this is all you've got I guess we are done here.

If there was something in the last act that changes the facts laid out earlier in the book about Galt leaving his job please go ahead and point it out. Having not labored through every word of the ending speech I don't argue its content but if I did I'd be welcome to seeing quotes correcting my statements. I am as willing here to be reminded of details that change the essential facts of how I recall the story. Did Galt not leave without first transitioning the knowledge of how the engine worked? If you can show that he didn't screw his employer by not giving them the real work product of the knowledge of how to create such engines I'll be glad to concede the point here in reality so you don't have to cling to your desperate delusion that I'm wrong and have apologized for such.

Of course if you still cannot in any way address my actual point I'll take your concession as just more proof of the hilariously hypocritical nature of Rand followers who champion business and curse the moochers yet see no problem with their hero having basically mooched off a business.
 
2014-01-13 12:44:22 PM  

Thrag: Of course if you still cannot in any way address my actual point I'll take your concession as just more proof of the hilariously hypocritical nature of Rand followers who champion business and curse the moochers yet see no problem with their hero having basically mooched off a business.


Ok, fair enough.

Galt wasn't hired to invent a revolutionary engine. He developed it on his own initiative. That's an important detail. The proof you're looking for is in the conversation Dagny Taggart had with the railroad worker who worked with John Galt and was there when Galt quit. At or about the same time, another coworker of Galt's developed an ingenious process that made the factory more efficient ... he was punished for it.

I don't know this for sure, so maybe I'm wrong, but I think Rand's Galt character was inspired by Edison's treatment of Tesla. It fits, but I could be wrong. 

Not to be confrontational, but you're arguing about something you didn't finish reading 25 years ago.
 
2014-01-13 01:16:01 PM  

Thrag: I do like the fact that apparently the only thing the Rand defender in this thread can attempt to address is nitpicking my statement that Galt didn't leave behind his work product. It's nice to see that not even an attempt can be made to refute the plain fact that Galt's cult were the real looters in that they were actually performing criminal acts. I expected at least a weak "but they were just keeping all the gold so they could give it back later" or pointing out the gold bars "returned" in the cult's recruiting efforts.


He also believes that The Turner Diaries is left-wing propaganda.  He's either a troll or a moron.
 
2014-01-13 01:32:05 PM  

Fart_Machine: Thrag: I do like the fact that apparently the only thing the Rand defender in this thread can attempt to address is nitpicking my statement that Galt didn't leave behind his work product. It's nice to see that not even an attempt can be made to refute the plain fact that Galt's cult were the real looters in that they were actually performing criminal acts. I expected at least a weak "but they were just keeping all the gold so they could give it back later" or pointing out the gold bars "returned" in the cult's recruiting efforts.

He also believes that The Turner Diaries is left-wing propaganda.  He's either a troll or a moron.


I don't believe The Turner Diaries is left wing propaganda. I believe The Turner Diaries is a paranoid and delusional right wing extremist fantasy/wet dream (which it is) ... still worth reading. Have you read it?
 
2014-01-13 01:44:10 PM  

MJMaloney187: Fart_Machine: Thrag: I do like the fact that apparently the only thing the Rand defender in this thread can attempt to address is nitpicking my statement that Galt didn't leave behind his work product. It's nice to see that not even an attempt can be made to refute the plain fact that Galt's cult were the real looters in that they were actually performing criminal acts. I expected at least a weak "but they were just keeping all the gold so they could give it back later" or pointing out the gold bars "returned" in the cult's recruiting efforts.

He also believes that The Turner Diaries is left-wing propaganda.  He's either a troll or a moron.

I don't believe The Turner Diaries is left wing propaganda. I believe The Turner Diaries is a paranoid and delusional right wing extremist fantasy/wet dream (which it is) ... still worth reading. Have you read it?


I wouldn't need to read Dianetics to know that it is utter drivel. Why would anybody outside of historians and psychologists need to read Atlas Shrugged or the Turner Diaries?
 
2014-01-13 01:55:13 PM  

rebelyell2006: MJMaloney187: Fart_Machine: Thrag: I do like the fact that apparently the only thing the Rand defender in this thread can attempt to address is nitpicking my statement that Galt didn't leave behind his work product. It's nice to see that not even an attempt can be made to refute the plain fact that Galt's cult were the real looters in that they were actually performing criminal acts. I expected at least a weak "but they were just keeping all the gold so they could give it back later" or pointing out the gold bars "returned" in the cult's recruiting efforts.

He also believes that The Turner Diaries is left-wing propaganda.  He's either a troll or a moron.

I don't believe The Turner Diaries is left wing propaganda. I believe The Turner Diaries is a paranoid and delusional right wing extremist fantasy/wet dream (which it is) ... still worth reading. Have you read it?

I wouldn't need to read Dianetics to know that it is utter drivel. Why would anybody outside of historians and psychologists need to read Atlas Shrugged or the Turner Diaries?


Because this.
 
2014-01-13 01:58:45 PM  

MJMaloney187: rebelyell2006: MJMaloney187: Fart_Machine: Thrag: I do like the fact that apparently the only thing the Rand defender in this thread can attempt to address is nitpicking my statement that Galt didn't leave behind his work product. It's nice to see that not even an attempt can be made to refute the plain fact that Galt's cult were the real looters in that they were actually performing criminal acts. I expected at least a weak "but they were just keeping all the gold so they could give it back later" or pointing out the gold bars "returned" in the cult's recruiting efforts.

He also believes that The Turner Diaries is left-wing propaganda.  He's either a troll or a moron.

I don't believe The Turner Diaries is left wing propaganda. I believe The Turner Diaries is a paranoid and delusional right wing extremist fantasy/wet dream (which it is) ... still worth reading. Have you read it?

I wouldn't need to read Dianetics to know that it is utter drivel. Why would anybody outside of historians and psychologists need to read Atlas Shrugged or the Turner Diaries?

Because this.


Laypeople ignoring crappy books and the government burning all books are not the same thing. Did you think the Duck Dynasty person was losing his freedom of speech?
 
2014-01-13 02:41:16 PM  

MJMaloney187: Not to be confrontational, but you're arguing about something you didn't finish reading 25 years ago.


Welcome to fark.
 
2014-01-13 05:29:26 PM  

MJMaloney187: Because this.


No one is destroying books. They're simply saying Atlas Shrugged is a horrendous piece of literature. And it is.
 
2014-01-13 06:20:55 PM  

Ishkur: MJMaloney187: Because this.

No one is destroying books. They're simply saying Atlas Shrugged is a horrendous piece of literature. And it is.


The point I was making:

Fire Captain Beatty explains: "Now let's take up the minorities in our civilization, shall we? Bigger the population, the more minorities. Don't step on the toes of the dog lovers, the cat lovers, doctors, lawyers, merchants, 
chiefs, Mormons, Baptists, Unitarians, second generation Chinese, Swedes, Italians, Germans, 
Texans, Brooklynites, Irishmen, people from Oregon or Mexico. The people in this book, this 
play, this TV serial are not meant to represent any actual painters, cartographers, mechanics 
anywhere. The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that! All 
the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean. Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock 
up your typewriters. They did. Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca. Books, so the 
damned snobbish critics said, were dishwater. No wonder books stopped selling, the critics said. 
But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic books survive. And the 
three dimensional sex magazines, of course. There you have it, Montag. It didn't come from the 
Government down. There was no dictum, no declaration, no censorship, to start with, no! 
Technology, mass exploitation, and minority pressure carried the trick, thank God. Today, thanks 
to them, you can stay happy all the time, you are allowed to read comics, the good old 
confessions, or trade journals."

Atlas Shrugged is no better or worse than Moby Dick or Les Miserables. So why don't people hate Melville or Hugo?
 
2014-01-13 06:39:56 PM  

MJMaloney187: I don't believe The Turner Diaries is left wing propaganda.


And you're a liar too.
 
2014-01-13 08:03:59 PM  
Fark Ayn Rand...she was a fascist pervert...sexually speaking too. She cheated on her husband for years. Oh yeah the moral party in the US, the GOP, doesn't care when their idols are perverts...Fark her and them...
 
2014-01-13 08:21:50 PM  

MJMaloney187: Atlas Shrugged is no better or worse than Moby Dick or Les Miserables. So why don't people hate Melville or Hugo?


Because Melville and Hugo aren't terrible writers for one thing, and none of their works simplified a complex network of economic theories, ideas, practices and human motives and constructed a mono-dimensional faux-reality as a vehicle to push their pulp then filled it full of cardboard cutout characters and mary sue ubermensches who don't talk but lecture for tedious pages about why the rich and powerful have divine right to being rich and powerful, and then have things play out exactly the way their philosophy says it will because they're the authors and they control the farking outcome. In clear violation of every standard of ethics, politics, economics, reality, life, human nature, philosophy, and farking national train corporation management. It's dishonest, and it's wrong.
 
2014-01-13 09:07:33 PM  

thomas666: Fark Ayn Rand...she was a fascist pervert...sexually speaking too. She cheated on her husband for years. Oh yeah the moral party in the US, the GOP, doesn't care when their idols are perverts...Fark her and them...


It was fun to watch Paul Ryan squirm when someone informed him that his idol, Ms. Rand, was strongly anti-religious. Also made it obvious that he didn't read very much of her work. Like so many other Palin-esque faux intellectuals, he's lived in a world where he has been surrounded by the easily impressed.

Ishkur: Because Melville and Hugo aren't terrible writers for one thing


Other than her Objectivist journals/magazine/newsletters/napkin doodles, I've read most of Ayn Rand's writings. While she is no Melville, she's not a "it was a dark and stormy night" author either. It can be difficult to separate the dislike of her philosophy from that of her writing. She would have benefited greatly from a good editor who could have condensed down her novels and at the same time kept in some of material she cut out that made some characters, especially Howard Roark, more rounded. Her short stories are actually fun to read probably because she's not repeating herself over and over again trying to push the same point. Of course tastes vary and if you don't like O.Henry, you probably won't like her stories either. Nothing wrong with that but you might be surprised.
 
2014-01-13 09:49:33 PM  

EngineerAU: While she is no Melville, she's not a "it was a dark and stormy night" author either.


Her problem was severe diarrhea of the pen. She would say in 4000 words what most writes could say in 50. And then she repeated those same 4000 words, over and over again, in the speeches of many of her characters (none of them talk -- they lecture, for tedious pages), for 1200 god damn pages.

It's like she had such a low opinion of her readers' intelligence that they wouldn't be able to grasp the thesis "The rich and powerful earned and deserve everything and therefore they are free to act like self-righteous assholes" (and let's be realistic: The rich and powerful don't need a how-to manual) so she had to hammer them over the head with it again and again, dripping it in flowery purple prose. Benefited from an editor? That's an understatement: Atlas Shrugged is a 5 page philosophical essay stretched into a 300 page plot surrounded by 900 additional pages of bombastic prose.

Compare her to a similar political writer in her day, George Orwell. Read 1984 and Atlas Shrugged. Notice how Orwell can put more ideas, more persuasive punch, and more thoughtful rhetoric into a single paragraph than Rand can in any of her characters' 10+ page monologues.
 
2014-01-13 09:57:10 PM  

Ishkur: EngineerAU: While she is no Melville, she's not a "it was a dark and stormy night" author either.

Her problem was severe diarrhea of the pen. She would say in 4000 words what most writes could say in 50. And then she repeated those same 4000 words, over and over again, in the speeches of many of her characters (none of them talk -- they lecture, for tedious pages), for 1200 god damn pages.

It's like she had such a low opinion of her readers' intelligence that they wouldn't be able to grasp the thesis "The rich and powerful earned and deserve everything and therefore they are free to act like self-righteous assholes" (and let's be realistic: The rich and powerful don't need a how-to manual) so she had to hammer them over the head with it again and again, dripping it in flowery purple prose. Benefited from an editor? That's an understatement: Atlas Shrugged is a 5 page philosophical essay stretched into a 300 page plot surrounded by 900 additional pages of bombastic prose.

Compare her to a similar political writer in her day, George Orwell. Read 1984 and Atlas Shrugged. Notice how Orwell can put more ideas, more persuasive punch, and more thoughtful rhetoric into a single paragraph than Rand can in any of her characters' 10+ page monologues.


agree totally about Orwell. And he earned his stripes unlike Ayn who leached and leached her "friends" and devotees...
 
2014-01-13 10:25:43 PM  

Ishkur: Her problem was severe diarrhea of the pen. She would say in 4000 words what most writes could say in 50. And then she repeated those same 4000 words, over and over again, in the speeches of many of her characters (none of them talk -- they lecture, for tedious pages), for 1200 god damn pages.


True. She needed a good editor. I suspect her ego kept her from using one. After all, when you're the smartest person in the world, who is qualified to be your editor? But short stories such as "Good Copy" are actually concise and amusing. It seems as her career went on, her problems with over explaining in her writing got worse, probably in proportion with her growing ego.
 
2014-01-14 12:47:54 AM  

EngineerAU: True. She needed a good editor. I suspect her ego kept her from using one. After all, when you're the smartest person in the world, who is qualified to be your editor? But short stories such as "Good Copy" are actually concise and amusing. It seems as her career went on, her problems with over explaining in her writing got worse, probably in proportion with her growing ego.


Suppose you are a nice family of Russian Jewish immigrants living in Chicago in the 1920s. Suppose you get a frantic letter from some distant cousin in Russia, begging for help because their daughter is a stubborn loudmouth who will certainly be killed if she stays in the country for much longer. Suppose you happily provide the necessary affidavit of support for a visa, promise her a job in your family business, and open your home-a five-room apartment already so crowded that the cousin will have to sleep on a cot in the dining room-to her for six months.

Now suppose your cousin keeps everyone else in the house up all night, every night, with her incessant typing (which you translate into English for her) or her long baths that use up all the hot water. Suppose that during the day, while you are faint from sleep deprivation, your cousin roams the apartment singing "I'm Sitting on Top of the World" as loudly as she can. Suppose she declines to speak to you because your conversation topics don't "interest me." Suppose she leans on you to arrange an extension of her visa, borrows a bunch of money from you to move to Hollywood, and promises to buy you a "mink coat and a Rolls-Royce" when she makes it big.

You might, then, be forgiven for holding a grudge when your cousin becomes wealthy and famous and she neither buys you anything nor pays you back the money she borrowed. Instead, all you get are copies of some ponderous novels, tickets to a couple of revolting lectures, and the pleasure of learning, in many interviews, that your cousin "had no family in America" and that "nobody helped [her]" when she immigrated.

Ayn Rand was an absolutely despicable person according to EVERYONE who ever had the misfortune of working with or even meeting her. She was indomitably defiant, obscenely difficult, and was known to completely suck the life out of a room. She never smiled or laughed, she abhorred small talk, and she would often approach strangers with random questions like "Tell me about your premises." She just didn't get people -- she was a pure autistic in every sense of the meaning. And her problem with her philosophy was, like all philosophers, she assumed that everyone ought to think just like her.

Her ego didn't grow. It's always been massively out of proportion with her talent.
 
2014-01-14 06:37:32 AM  

Ishkur: Ayn Rand was an absolutely despicable person according to EVERYONE who ever had the misfortune of working with or even meeting her. She was indomitably defiant, obscenely difficult, and was known to completely suck the life out of a room. She never smiled or laughed, she abhorred small talk, and she would often approach strangers with random questions like "Tell me about your premises." She just didn't get people -- she was a pure autistic in every sense of the meaning. And her problem with her philosophy was, like all philosophers, she assumed that everyone ought to think just like her.


Let he who has never been insufferable cast the first accusation of autism.

I didn't know any of that about old Ayn Rand. It doesn't change my opinion that her literary work contributes to the historical palette of humankind, and I do recommend reading her novels.
 
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