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(Daily Mail)   Not News: Wife sues ex for missing child support payments. News: He did pay, it was a paperwork screw up. Fark: Judge orders him to pay ex's lawyer bill and throws him in jail for refusing   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 239
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2014-01-12 05:29:26 PM  

thamike: redmid17: And a six month sentence for contempt of court is kind of like dropping a bomb on a housing complex because the people won't come out to be arrested.

You're arguing a point that isn't being debated by the people you're responding to.


Well it is now.
 
2014-01-12 05:33:54 PM  
Befehl ist befehl
 
2014-01-12 05:36:55 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Weatherkiss: so, when did you complete your Kolinahr?

On graduation day like any other vulcan. What planet are you from?

Earth... since you are from Vulcan, this is something you may not understand about humans... Human emotions sometimes get in the way of the logical mind and override our ability to cope with an emotionally heated situation. Sometimes, this causes unwanted effects such as blurting out man-hating coont remarks at a judge, or walking out on a proceeding to try to cool off emotionally in an effort to avert the blurting of said comments.


Even on Earth, you're expected to keep your emotions in check in a courtroom. This is expected of every adult in court. They are civil proceedings, not trash tv like Maury.

If people willingly choose to act like a dick in court, they will get slammed. For their own punishment, or to serve as another example to the rest of civil society that the courtroom is not the school playground. It's an institution to be respected and the people within to act respectably.

If she lets him go because he decided to get butthurt (even understandably so), it sets the precedent that you can act a fool in court to everyone else and nothing bad will happen.
 
2014-01-12 05:37:54 PM  

redmid17: Weatherkiss: The Flexecutioner: thamike: The Flexecutioner: thamike: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

Yeah, well, that's not how court works.  That's not even how elementary school works.

correct.  courts and elementary schools absolutely do not operate on logic.

Yes, not being rewarded for storming out of either completely f*cking defies logic.

no, being punished does not equal being rewarded.  and no, he did not STORM out.  that's just you trying to inflammatorily make your illogical case that he somehow deserves 6 months in jail for bruising her fragile ego.

Whether he saunters out gently and puts on sunglasses while saying, "Deal with it.", or he has a vein bulging out of his forehead and he's ready to rip a phone book in half and storms out -- it's leaving the courtroom without being dismissed.

And yes, it is illegal to do that. It has always been illegal to disrespect the courtroom. Judges are known to power trip, but regardless of what kind of woman this judge is -- what he did would have been met the same way no matter what courtroom he was in. Contempt of court.

In civil society, it's agreed upon that a judge rules the court. This is why judges are elected or appointed by other judges who were elected. Because they ar ...

And a six month sentence for contempt of court is kind of like dropping a bomb on a housing complex because the people won't come out to be arrested.


It's true, this judge has no dick.
 
2014-01-12 05:37:55 PM  

redmid17: saturn badger: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

Not being married does not protect one from child support.

No but it probably helps avoid some of the malice an ex-wife might bring versus an ex-girlfriend.


How? An ex is an ex. I was told by the court we don't care about you. We care about the kids. The ex was there too. There is no difference when kids are involved.
 
2014-01-12 05:40:24 PM  

saturn badger: redmid17: saturn badger: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

Not being married does not protect one from child support.

No but it probably helps avoid some of the malice an ex-wife might bring versus an ex-girlfriend.

How? An ex is an ex. I was told by the court we don't care about you. We care about the kids. The ex was there too. There is no difference when kids are involved.


I almost feel sorry for the Farkers who seem to think not being married means freedom from responsibility in regards to breeding. Almost.
 
2014-01-12 05:41:31 PM  
Aigoo:

Get a new judge. My female divorce judge read everything and knew more about the case than either of our attorneys (who hadn't read everything). We each paid our own lawyers and if she had determined fault, she kept i ...

You don't get to just shop for a judge in Kentucky.  You get the one you're assigned.  If you don't like them, too bad.  Unless one party has dirt on the judge and can get them to recuse, you're stuck.  If you don't like their decision, you have to appeal.
 
2014-01-12 05:42:27 PM  

Weatherkiss: The Flexecutioner: thamike: The Flexecutioner: thamike: Vector R: thamike: In civil society, it's agreed upon that a judge rules the court. This is why judges are elected or appointed by other judges who were elected. Because they ar ...


What part of 6-months in jail do you find fair for this slight?  I was never saying he shouldn't have been held in CoC because the law (in a zero-tolerance kind of way) demands a CoC ruling.  but the 6th months in jail part IS arbitrarily at the whims of her ego.  this is the part that is power-tripping and worth every bit of scrutiny and derision from the public.

thamike: The Flexecutioner: no, being punished does not equal being rewarded.  and no, he did not STORM out.  that's just you trying to inflammatorily make your illogical case that he somehow deserves 6 months in jail for bruising her fragile ego.

Look, if you don't understand how it works, there's really nothing I can do for you.


says the man looking in the mirror.  mincing words and twisting meanings is really all that's at stake here.  look, if you wanna bail from losing a discussion, im all for it but there's really nothing i can do for you except be correct.
 
2014-01-12 05:43:50 PM  

saturn badger: redmid17: saturn badger: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

Not being married does not protect one from child support.

No but it probably helps avoid some of the malice an ex-wife might bring versus an ex-girlfriend.

How? An ex is an ex. I was told by the court we don't care about you. We care about the kids. The ex was there too. There is no difference when kids are involved.


I'm speaking generally here, but I'm guessing there is a higher likelihood of animosity because it usually takes more to break up a marriage than a relationship. Most relationships, as far as I know, don't end up with alimony or split assets. Basically just more stuff to be bitter and fight over.
 
2014-01-12 05:44:29 PM  

Weatherkiss: Except noone dies, no property is destroyed, and the only financial loss is from court fees and the lack of income while imprisoned.


Good luck thinking he'll be able to pay when he gets out, as his job is likely gone.  He'll be lucky to not be homeless.

I imagine the hearing went something like a Judge Judy episode, judge making decisions based on clean cut mannerisms as oppose to facts and reasoning.  It does seem odd to go through a hearing when the matter is already settled.  Why was the court hearing still held, and why did the ex even need a lawyer anyway?  Isn't these kind of cases treated somewhat like a criminal case where prosecutors are used?
 
2014-01-12 05:50:11 PM  

lack of warmth: Weatherkiss: Except noone dies, no property is destroyed, and the only financial loss is from court fees and the lack of income while imprisoned.

Good luck thinking he'll be able to pay when he gets out, as his job is likely gone.  He'll be lucky to not be homeless.

I imagine the hearing went something like a Judge Judy episode, judge making decisions based on clean cut mannerisms as oppose to facts and reasoning.  It does seem odd to go through a hearing when the matter is already settled.  Why was the court hearing still held, and why did the ex even need a lawyer anyway?  Isn't these kind of cases treated somewhat like a criminal case where prosecutors are used?


Judge Judy is a television show that pretends to be a court. She does not deal in justice. She deals in binding arbitration. These are civil matters that she handles. Judge Judy is unable to dole out 'contempt of court' charges if she wants. She's even gotten in trouble on a few occasions because she overstepped her boundaries in terms of arbitration.

Real Life Court is drastically different.
 
2014-01-12 05:52:58 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Weatherkiss: lack of warmth: Weatherkiss: Except noone dies, no property is destroyed, and the only financial loss is from court fees and the lack of income while imprisoned.

Good luck thinking he'll be able to pay when he gets out, as his job is likely gone.  He'll be lucky to not be homeless.

I imagine the hearing went something like a Judge Judy episode, judge making decisions based on clean cut mannerisms as oppose to facts and reasoning.  It does seem odd to go through a hearing when the matter is already settled.  Why was the court hearing still held, and why did the ex even need a lawyer anyway?  Isn't these kind of cases treated somewhat like a criminal case where prosecutors are used?

Judge Judy is a television show that pretends to be a court. She does not deal in justice. She deals in binding arbitration. These are civil matters that she handles. Judge Judy is unable to dole out 'contempt of court' charges if she wants. She's even gotten in trouble on a few occasions because she overstepped her boundaries in terms of arbitration.

Real Life Court is drastically different.

not much.... they don't deal in Justice either... just law.

/real court is a circus too.


On that we can agree.
 
2014-01-12 05:56:11 PM  
The real messed up thing is how he was forced to marry and knock up this woman.
 
2014-01-12 05:56:15 PM  

Spirit Hammer: untaken_name: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: He can't pay child support from jail.

Don't worry, though, he'll still owe it. I'm sure the system will make accommodations for him...

When he gets out and goes back to his job (which no doubt will still be waiting for him) they can just garnish his wages for what he missed.


Also, I'm sure there will be fees for the 6 months he deadbeated out on his payments while he lazed around not working (while on the state's dime, the lazy lout).
 
2014-01-12 05:57:16 PM  

saturn badger: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

Not being married does not protect one from child support.


No, but fake names and phone numbers do.
 
2014-01-12 05:57:18 PM  

Weatherkiss: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

It's a good thing young men don't engage in pre-marital sex that could result in the conception of a child. That whole 'no marriage' thing is a foolproof method of avoiding a situation like this man is in.

I'm pretty sure his 6 month jail sentence was a result of his contempt of court charge, related to not visiting his son as issued by court order at particular times. Whether he was not 'told' about any of this, as he claims is dubious. He's not going to admit he knew and simply did not comply. It's easier to say he was never told to begin with.

But he's on appeal, so even though the court system is claimed to have 'broken down', and the Daily Fail is obviously trying to work the 'miscarriage of justice' angle on this -- the court system is working as intended.

Of course walking out on a judge in her courtroom when issued a contempt of court charge isn't going to win him any favors.

But sure, let's go with the "he's brown in Texas, therefore the system is stacked against him" defense. When it's pretty obvious there's way more to the story than the article lets on.


Well put. Unfortunately we'll still get people complaining about misandry, their idea of feminism, and just how hard is to be a man.
 
2014-01-12 05:58:12 PM  

Weatherkiss: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

It's a good thing young men don't engage in pre-marital sex that could result in the conception of a child. That whole 'no marriage' thing is a foolproof method of avoiding a situation like this man is in.

I'm pretty sure his 6 month jail sentence was a result of his contempt of court charge, related to not visiting his son as issued by court order at particular times. Whether he was not 'told' about any of this, as he claims is dubious. He's not going to admit he knew and simply did not comply. It's easier to say he was never told to begin with.

But he's on appeal, so even though the court system is claimed to have 'broken down', and the Daily Fail is obviously trying to work the 'miscarriage of justice' angle on this -- the court system is working as intended.

Of course walking out on a judge in her courtroom when issued a contempt of court charge isn't going to win him any favors.

But sure, let's go with the "he's brown in Texas, therefore the system is stacked against him" defense. When it's pretty obvious there's way more to the story than the article lets on.


Thank you for preventing me from having to write all that.
 
2014-01-12 05:58:46 PM  
Justice is dead.

Long live arbitrary and capricious application of process!
 
2014-01-12 05:58:55 PM  

thamike: It does work that way. You and your wife are lucky.

Read the sourced article. It's just as poorly written, but includes the same sort of details that the Daily Fail always excludes when they have their usual wild hair up their ass.


It doesn't really work that way. The visitation orders are for when either party decides they want to ignore them and not allow visitation. Then it is back to court.

I doubt many follow the visitation orders anyway. They are very tight and controlled. This year on this holiday every other year and this weekend and this day. Ugh! They are very strict. After we had the mediation hearing we looked at each other and said fark that. We'll do it our way.

And yeah. I was kind of lucky the ex agreed. We are still friends and I spend holidays at her place with the kids. A win win for all of us. Well, except she still burns the food. Gawd!

/she makes a better friend than a wife
//I can go home without her
 
2014-01-12 06:01:35 PM  
Weatherkiss:
Judge Judy is a television show that pretends to be a court. She does not deal in justice. She deals in binding arbitration. These are civil matters that she handles. Judge Judy is unable to dole out 'contempt of court' charges if she wants. She's even gotten in trouble on a few occasions because she overstepped her boundaries in terms of arbitration.

Real Life Court is drastically different.


WHAAAAT!  Judge Judy is a television show.  You don't say.

I have been in Real Life Court, and the tone is set by the judge.  If you weren't aware, Judge Judy used to do this woman's job, so the comparison isn't that far off.

The coolest judge I have seen was very relaxed and casual, but did get irritated with our lawyer for forgetting certain paperwork which caused the hearing to be rescheduled.  The second time we saw him, a lawyer failed to show up, so he stopped court to call the lawyer personally to tell him to call back in 24 hours or the US Marshals were going to be picking him up (yes, federal court) and he will be refunding his payment back to the client.  The judge was anti-bad lawyer.  It was hard not to like him.
 
2014-01-12 06:09:21 PM  

Aigoo: Take the kid away, give him to dad and let mom pay the damn support.


I just came.
 
2014-01-12 06:09:36 PM  

saturn badger: It doesn't really work that way. The visitation orders are for when either party decides they want to ignore them and not allow visitation. Then it is back to court.

I doubt many follow the visitation orders anyway. They are very tight and controlled. This year on this holiday every other year and this weekend and this day. Ugh! They are very strict. After we had the mediation hearing we looked at each other and said fark that. We'll do it our way.


There has been some interesting stories involving child support and visitation in MI.  MI passed a law ( I don't recall how long ago) allowing non custodial parent to not pay child support for the time spent at their home.  As in, if the kid spent the summer with dad, dad didn't pay for the summer.  We had some judges didn't hear about the change until the dad was dragged into court for back child support that he didn't owe.  The dad (in one case) knew he got a three month discount for the three months the kid was with him, but the judge didn't learn until the heated court proceedings.  The dad was probably lucky he didn't go to jail for proving a judge wrong.
 
2014-01-12 06:09:51 PM  
This is farking vaginal tyranny.
 
2014-01-12 06:11:16 PM  

redmid17: saturn badger: redmid17: saturn badger: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

Not being married does not protect one from child support.

No but it probably helps avoid some of the malice an ex-wife might bring versus an ex-girlfriend.

How? An ex is an ex. I was told by the court we don't care about you. We care about the kids. The ex was there too. There is no difference when kids are involved.

I'm speaking generally here, but I'm guessing there is a higher likelihood of animosity because it usually takes more to break up a marriage than a relationship. Most relationships, as far as I know, don't end up with alimony or split assets. Basically just more stuff to be bitter and fight over.


The issue here is child support. There is no mention of other assets. There is no difference in child support with a marriage or not. Your kid? Pay the money. Case closed.
 
2014-01-12 06:14:43 PM  

saturn badger: redmid17: saturn badger: redmid17: saturn badger: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

Not being married does not protect one from child support.

No but it probably helps avoid some of the malice an ex-wife might bring versus an ex-girlfriend.

How? An ex is an ex. I was told by the court we don't care about you. We care about the kids. The ex was there too. There is no difference when kids are involved.

I'm speaking generally here, but I'm guessing there is a higher likelihood of animosity because it usually takes more to break up a marriage than a relationship. Most relationships, as far as I know, don't end up with alimony or split assets. Basically just more stuff to be bitter and fight over.

The issue here is child support. There is no mention of other assets. There is no difference in child support with a marriage or not. Your kid? Pay the money. Case closed.


Yes. Thank you for explaining how child support works. I *clearly* didn't understand.

Oh wait I was talking about why an ex-wife might have more reason to be bitter than an ex-girlfriend. No one is disputing child support payments here.
 
2014-01-12 06:15:15 PM  

Weatherkiss: The courtroom is not your parents' house. You can't just pout and walk away and slam the door when your feels get hurt. The courtroom is an instrument of justice, of civil society. If you disrespect the judge, you disrespect the court, you disrespect the institution the country is founded on. You aren't allowed to take a breather unless the judge says you may. You aren't allowed to go to the bathroom unless the judge allows you to.

The system is not perfect, but it's the best one we have. If someone gets screwed over, the only thing they need to do is sit down and shut the fark up until the gavel is brought down and the judge explicitly says that the case/court is dismissed. Yes, it sucks when you get screwed over by the court. Yes, it's normal to feel angry and enraged.

But no, it's not 'better' to go take a breather. He should have put his big boy pants on and waited patiently and calmly to avoid invoking the judge's ire.

That's how civil society works. If you can't be an adult, you get punished like a child.


Authoritarianism is a form of government. It is characterized by absolute or blind obedience to authority, as against individual freedom and related to the expectation of unquestioning obedience. You know, like when the Nazis and the Communists killed all of those people.
 
2014-01-12 06:17:16 PM  

Earl Green: This website.  This community.  This Fark.  How much longer can we be expected to go on without a "Texas" tag?


If we're relying on Mail articles, i.e. articles written based on the fever-dreams of a drunken right-wing moron ineptly trying to craft propaganda, with no relation whatsoever to actual physical reality?

Probably a long time.
 
2014-01-12 06:31:30 PM  

lack of warmth: There has been some interesting stories involving child support and visitation in MI. MI passed a law ( I don't recall how long ago) allowing non custodial parent to not pay child support for the time spent at their home. As in, if the kid spent the summer with dad, dad didn't pay for the summer. We had some judges didn't hear about the change until the dad was dragged into court for back child support that he didn't owe. The dad (in one case) knew he got a three month discount for the three months the kid was with him, but the judge didn't learn until the heated court proceedings. The dad was probably lucky he didn't go to jail for proving a judge wrong.


In my state (CA) we just pay. I did some off the books deal early in the game and it cost me dearly. They can sign off on child support and let us handle it but at any time can sign back on. That could get ugly. I let the state handle it via payroll deduction. She offered a cash payout for less money towards the end but I refused. Nine more months and I was free. She wanted to start some sort of business and needed the cash. Sorry. Not coming from me. It might have saved me around 5K but I was legal and paying. I looked at is as an investment to myself.

And they don't need to prove it went to the kids. It is just money going down a black hole.

 
2014-01-12 06:35:21 PM  

redmid17: Yes. Thank you for explaining how child support works. I *clearly* didn't understand.

Oh wait I was talking about why an ex-wife might have more reason to be bitter than an ex-girlfriend. No one is disputing child support payments here.


Why would an ex-wife have a reason to be more bitter?  In my case she left me. I had the bigger reason to be more bitter. A relationship is a relationship. A biatch is a biatch and a bastard is a bastard no matter what the paper says.
 
2014-01-12 06:37:53 PM  

saturn badger: redmid17: Yes. Thank you for explaining how child support works. I *clearly* didn't understand.

Oh wait I was talking about why an ex-wife might have more reason to be bitter than an ex-girlfriend. No one is disputing child support payments here.

Why would an ex-wife have a reason to be more bitter?  In my case she left me. I had the bigger reason to be more bitter. A relationship is a relationship. A biatch is a biatch and a bastard is a bastard no matter what the paper says.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-12 06:38:31 PM  

strathmeyer: Weatherkiss: The courtroom is not your parents' house. You can't just pout and walk away and slam the door when your feels get hurt. The courtroom is an instrument of justice, of civil society. If you disrespect the judge, you disrespect the court, you disrespect the institution the country is founded on. You aren't allowed to take a breather unless the judge says you may. You aren't allowed to go to the bathroom unless the judge allows you to.

The system is not perfect, but it's the best one we have. If someone gets screwed over, the only thing they need to do is sit down and shut the fark up until the gavel is brought down and the judge explicitly says that the case/court is dismissed. Yes, it sucks when you get screwed over by the court. Yes, it's normal to feel angry and enraged.

But no, it's not 'better' to go take a breather. He should have put his big boy pants on and waited patiently and calmly to avoid invoking the judge's ire.

That's how civil society works. If you can't be an adult, you get punished like a child.

Authoritarianism is a form of government. It is characterized by absolute or blind obedience to authority, as against individual freedom and related to the expectation of unquestioning obedience. You know, like when the Nazis and the Communists killed all of those people.


Wait... that would mean... that I'm a Nazi and a Communist...

i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-01-12 06:38:43 PM  

omnimancer28: Just playing devil's advocate here : I would assume that he was warned more than once by his wife, the child support office, and probably his wife's attorney BEFORE they went to the trouble of taking him to court.


I see you are completely unfamiliar with how the family court system works.

Here's a simple rule to figure out if you will be farked by the family court system.  Do you have a penis?
 
2014-01-12 06:40:57 PM  
www.madmaxz.com

Only yourselves to blame, ladies.
 
2014-01-12 06:40:59 PM  

OgreMagi: Here's a simple rule to figure out if you will be farked by the family court system. Do you have a penis?


THISSITY THIS THIS THIS
 
2014-01-12 06:41:01 PM  

itsaidwhat: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

They should be shunning unprotected sex.


Yep. I knew a guy who boasted of never wearing condoms because he didn't like the way they felt. And a few weeks later, surprise 18-month-old daughter. And a psycho ex-girlfriend for a mother.
 
2014-01-12 06:42:48 PM  

rebelyell2006: itsaidwhat: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

They should be shunning unprotected sex.

Yep. I knew a guy who boasted of never wearing condoms because he didn't like the way they felt. And a few weeks later, surprise 18-month-old daughter. And a psycho ex-girlfriend for a mother.


She has no idea how hard it is to be a man and not being able to control your impulsive desire to fark without using protection. She's just taking advantage of the court system to punish him for something he had no control over.
 
2014-01-12 06:46:15 PM  

Weatherkiss: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

The courtroom is not your parents' house. You can't just pout and walk away and slam the door when your feels get hurt. The courtroom is an instrument of justice, of civil society. If you disrespect the judge, you disrespect the court, you disrespect the institution the country is founded on. You aren't allowed to take a breather unless the judge says you may. You aren't allowed to go to the bathroom unless the judge allows you to.

The system is not perfect, but it's the best one we have. If someone gets screwed over, the only thing they need to do is sit down and shut the fark up until the gavel is brought down and the judge explicitly says that the case/court is dismissed. Yes, it sucks when you get screwed over by the court. Yes, it's normal to feel angry and enraged.

But no, it's not 'better' to go take a breather. He should have put his big boy pants on and waited patiently and calmly to avoid invoking the judge's ire.

That's how civil society works. If you can't be an adult, you get punished like a child.


I beg to differ. He wasn't in state custody, and if he needs to go use the bathroom ( a common excuse to go cool off, coincidentally), he sure as shiat can go. I'm sure even a convict in shackles could be escorted to the bathroom.
 
2014-01-12 06:46:37 PM  

Weatherkiss: rebelyell2006: itsaidwhat: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

They should be shunning unprotected sex.

Yep. I knew a guy who boasted of never wearing condoms because he didn't like the way they felt. And a few weeks later, surprise 18-month-old daughter. And a psycho ex-girlfriend for a mother.

She has no idea how hard it is to be a man and not being able to control your impulsive desire to fark without using protection. She's just taking advantage of the court system to punish him for something he had no control over.


Well, the guy was a moron in a traveling band who settled down. Who saw his bandmates piss razors after catching gonorrhea. And still did not want to wear condoms.
 
2014-01-12 06:46:41 PM  
Today I learned Farkers think Alimony is Child Support.

Today I taught Farkers that Alimony is not child support, but adult support.

/They are similar though, both can cost you 50% of your yearly pre-tax income as a man.
//Better pray to your god your divorce is amicable if you are a man. Prenuptial agreements have already been voided by divorce courts.
 
2014-01-12 06:47:07 PM  

rebelyell2006: itsaidwhat: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

They should be shunning unprotected sex.

Yep. I knew a guy who boasted of never wearing condoms because he didn't like the way they felt. And a few weeks later, surprise 18-month-old daughter. And a psycho ex-girlfriend for a mother.


I mean, he's not wrong. Sex without a condom feels way better than sex with a condom. It probably doesn't feel better than not having to dole out a bunch for child support.
 
2014-01-12 06:47:37 PM  

Elegy: I, for one, appreciate Quanell X weighing in on this situation.


Was he wrong? Spmeone obviously asked for his opinion, unlike yours.
Therefore STFU & GBTW
 
gja
2014-01-12 06:48:28 PM  

ZzeusS: 3 - sues Judge and plaintiffs attorneys and makes back 2x what he lost


4- Tased to death for having the temerity to question pigs and the kings of the kangaroo courts
 
2014-01-12 06:48:52 PM  

Vector R: You aren't allowed to go to the bathroom unless the judge allows you to.


It's court, not first grade.

You ask for a recess in court proceedings like a time out in sports. You don't raise your hand and say "Judge, I gotta go potty."
 
2014-01-12 06:49:12 PM  

fluffy2097: Today I learned Farkers think Alimony is Child Support.

Today I taught Farkers that Alimony is not child support, but adult support.

/They are similar though, both can cost you 50% of your yearly pre-tax income as a man.
//Better pray to your god your divorce is amicable if you are a man. Prenuptial agreements have already been voided by divorce courts.


I'm fairly certain child support is tax deductible, though alimony is not.
 
2014-01-12 06:49:13 PM  

Vector R: Weatherkiss: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

The courtroom is not your parents' house. You can't just pout and walk away and slam the door when your feels get hurt. The courtroom is an instrument of justice, of civil society. If you disrespect the judge, you disrespect the court, you disrespect the institution the country is founded on. You aren't allowed to take a breather unless the judge says you may. You aren't allowed to go to the bathroom unless the judge allows you to.

The system is not perfect, but it's the best one we have. If someone gets screwed over, the only thing they need to do is sit down and shut the fark up until the gavel is brought down and the judge explicitly says that the case/court is dismissed. Yes, it sucks when you get screwed over by the court. Yes, it's normal to feel angry and enraged.

But no, it's not 'better' to go take a breather. He should have put his big boy pants on and waited patiently and calmly to avoid invoking the judge's ire.

That's how civil society works. If you can't be an adult, you get punished like a child.

I beg to differ. He wasn't in state custody, and if he needs to go use the bathroom ( a common excuse to go cool off, coincidentally), he sure as shiat can go. I' ...


Some judges will apparently hit you with contempt there too!

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/insulted_in_restroom_texas_ju dg e_holds_court_attendee_69_in_contempt/
 
2014-01-12 06:50:11 PM  

redmid17: Sex without a condom feels way better than sex with a condom. It probably doesn't feel better than not having to dole out a bunch for child support.


Which is why you never let the girl get your real name or number, and you always go back to her place. Then if she gets pregnant, she can't find you.

/Not really
 
2014-01-12 06:51:22 PM  

saturn badger: lack of warmth: There has been some interesting stories involving child support and visitation in MI. MI passed a law ( I don't recall how long ago) allowing non custodial parent to not pay child support for the time spent at their home. As in, if the kid spent the summer with dad, dad didn't pay for the summer. We had some judges didn't hear about the change until the dad was dragged into court for back child support that he didn't owe. The dad (in one case) knew he got a three month discount for the three months the kid was with him, but the judge didn't learn until the heated court proceedings. The dad was probably lucky he didn't go to jail for proving a judge wrong.

In my state (CA) we just pay. I did some off the books deal early in the game and it cost me dearly. They can sign off on child support and let us handle it but at any time can sign back on. That could get ugly. I let the state handle it via payroll deduction. She offered a cash payout for less money towards the end but I refused. Nine more months and I was free. She wanted to start some sort of business and needed the cash. Sorry. Not coming from me. It might have saved me around 5K but I was legal and paying. I looked at is as an investment to myself.

And they don't need to prove it went to the kids. It is just money going down a black hole.


You got to admit though, not making the other parent child support for extended stays makes sense.  The old way made the parent pay twice, child support payments to custodial parent and the actual support of the child during the stay.  It almost makes me proud of my state.  Now if I could get child support from my stepson's father, I would be right as rain.  Canadian prick left the country before the kid was born, with no contact.  Irritates me as much as the deadbeat mom's out there not being hunted down by the courts.  I have yet to hear of a mom getting busted for back support, when I know of a few who don't pay at all.
 
2014-01-12 06:51:34 PM  

OgreMagi: I'm fairly certain child support is tax deductible, though alimony is not


What you pay for both is calculated based off your pre-tax income though. So it's calculated off about 33% more money then you actually ever get in any given year.
 
2014-01-12 06:57:17 PM  

redmid17: Oh wait I was talking about why an ex-wife might have more reason to be bitter than an ex-girlfriend. No one is disputing child support payments here.


I'll bring this up because it seems no one has, but a fair number of women have mentioned to me that when they got divorced they came under an ass load of pressure from their families, in particular their mother to be absolute dicks about everything. And the lawyer I consulted in my divorce said often she gets cases where dear old mom comes to the meetings with the lawyer and bully's her daughter into making a knock down drag out fight of it.
 
2014-01-12 06:58:07 PM  

fluffy2097: OgreMagi: I'm fairly certain child support is tax deductible, though alimony is not

What you pay for both is calculated based off your pre-tax income though. So it's calculated off about 33% more money then you actually ever get in any given year.


Clarification noted.  Also, if your income changes, perhaps because the economy sucks and you had to take a lesser paying job, the family court doesn't care that you are now a cashier and not an engineer.  Your payments are still going to be based on your "earning potential".
 
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