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2014-01-12 04:36:46 PM

Fano: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: KidneyStone: Elegy: I, for one, appreciate Quanell X weighing in on this situation.

I find the unbiased opinion of anyone named X to be spurious at best.

Especially Professor X. I heard he's a mutant.

But chemical X is made of sugar and spice and everything nice


And Terminator X is the best DJ in hop hop history.
 
2014-01-12 04:39:55 PM

Snarfangel: Elegy: I, for one, appreciate Quanell X weighing in on this situation.

I would pay attention. Quanell X is the strongest anti-dandruff shampoo you can buy without a prescription.


I don't know why, but I thought this was hilarious! I had to bite my lip to keep from laughing WAAYY too loud.

Kudos.
 
2014-01-12 04:40:58 PM

thamike: Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.



So him walking out prevents the judge from actually looking at the facts of the case before her?
 
2014-01-12 04:42:29 PM
Three cheers for Feminism
 
2014-01-12 04:43:47 PM

silverjets: thamike: Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.


So him walking out prevents the judge from actually looking at the facts of the case before her?


Yes.
 
2014-01-12 04:44:57 PM
I figured it would someone successful and attractive.

Not surprising in Texas.
 
2014-01-12 04:46:03 PM
See kids, this is why you go gay. In most states you still can't get married so no chance of a costly divorce, and you can't impregnate someone of the same sex so no possibility of having to pay child support.

/never once got my boyfriend pregnant.
 
2014-01-12 04:47:59 PM

silverjets: thamike: Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.


So him walking out prevents the judge from actually looking at the facts of the case before her?


It allows her to avoid reconsidering the case. A judge can be as lenient or as much as an asshole as they want to be during the initial hearing. It's easier and faster to get the same judge to reconsider the case, re-examine the facts and take another look at the situation. But the judge is not obligated to do so after the original ruling.

If the judge is not willing to reconsider the case, then it goes to the appeals court, which is a lengthier process. The appeals court will re-examine the case and either uphold the judge's ruling or they won't.

It really comes down to how much time the defendant wants to spend in 'the system'. This man decided it was in his best interest to blatantly disrespect the judge -- so expecting her to go out of her way to help him is a little unreasonable. She can if she wants, but why would she now? The guy's an asshole.
 
2014-01-12 04:48:03 PM
No guys, didn't you hear? Men are obsolete now.. Not sure why the all powerful woman needed money.
 
2014-01-12 04:48:31 PM

Fano: But chemical X is made of was next to sugar and spice and everything nice


FTFY.

/still miss that show
 
2014-01-12 04:49:10 PM

Weatherkiss: And regardless of what you're charged with/convicted on/whatever, you never walk out on a judge in the middle of a hearing. That's not just a social faux pas, it's another count of contempt of court. You never piss off or disrespect the judge no matter how badly you get screwed. Appeals, new trials, etc. are all part of the system and are there to help people who were wrongly convicted, discriminated against, etc., but that's for later, when emotions are cool and your lawyer(s) can work out a strategy.

Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.


Well, with a guy named Quarnell X in his corner, maybe he was getting advice that made walking out on the judge seem like a good plan.

On the bright side, Quarnell X now has more 'whitey holding us down' and 'one more reason to ditch your slave name' ammo for his community activism.
 
2014-01-12 04:51:03 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: Joe USer: gja: His fault for being male
/and brown in Texas

I'm betting the contempt of court had something to do with it as well.

Frankly, I'd walk out too if somebody told me I'd be forced to pay my ex's legal fees ON TOP of whatever I just recently doled out in child support payments.

Talk about sticking in the wound.


That judge needs to be the one in jail for six months. He paid the child support--it was an admin error. As soon as he knew there was an admin error, he paid... before it went to court. His visitation was changed and he was not notified. I've seen this happen more than once, and not just in Texas. The child's mother pushed this to court, despite having gotten her child support. She needs to pay her own damn lawyer fees and this judge needs to be pulled the hell out of family court--or any court, for that matter. Even the mother's attorney testified twice that the support was paid and that he owed nothing at all. There's some shady, shady shiat going down in this case.

The mother and the judge are crazy biatches. Take the kid away, give him to dad and let mom pay the damn support.
 
2014-01-12 04:52:34 PM

Kooj: Might be worth reading, too:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/childsupport.asp

In particular, the CoC was apparently "for failure to pay child support", and, per the Snopes article:

"(Under Texas law, for an obligor to avoid contempt charges in a child support case, he must be current on all child support obligations at the time of the enforcement hearing, not just those originally pled in the motion to enforce.)"


that helps.  i first read the Fail's version then saw they buried the link to the original Houston article at the bottom so I then read that.  The Fail's version is just the same stuff told in a different order and successfully twisting it's meaning but Houston's version isn't that clear either.  the snopes version acknowledges the lack of clarity in what has actually happened so far (even though i've never heard the part about "overpaying").  i have already "sided" with who I think is at fault but there are too many questions yet to be cleared for me to care too much about this.
 
2014-01-12 04:53:30 PM
Is it last week already?

/repeat.jpg
 
2014-01-12 04:53:53 PM

dfenstrate: Weatherkiss: And regardless of what you're charged with/convicted on/whatever, you never walk out on a judge in the middle of a hearing. That's not just a social faux pas, it's another count of contempt of court. You never piss off or disrespect the judge no matter how badly you get screwed. Appeals, new trials, etc. are all part of the system and are there to help people who were wrongly convicted, discriminated against, etc., but that's for later, when emotions are cool and your lawyer(s) can work out a strategy.

Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Well, with a guy named Quarnell X in his corner, maybe he was getting advice that made walking out on the judge seem like a good plan.


static3.wikia.nocookie.net

In Texas, everyone hates the government. When she issues her ruling, get out of your chair and walk away from her. Like any Texan, she will swoon over you and admire your blatant disregard for the government, overturn your conviction, and force your ex to pay my attorney fees instead. That show of rugged individualism in a court proceeding has no possible way of backfiring.
 
2014-01-12 04:54:06 PM

Brostorm: Three cheers for Feminism


yes.  i have provided 3 of the Bronx variety while typing this.
 
2014-01-12 04:54:23 PM

Joe USer: gja: His fault for being male
/and brown in Texas

I'm betting the contempt of court had something to do with it as well.


"Contempt of court" is the alleged failure to pay up.
 
2014-01-12 04:54:41 PM
Not sure if that was his intent, but Quanell X's involvement immediately makes me feel less sympathy for the guy.
 
2014-01-12 04:55:50 PM
Not that he didn't walk out of the court without being released...
 
2014-01-12 04:58:10 PM
After seeing pics of the dad and "disrespected" judge plus taking into account Texas's geographical location I can pretty much guess why the dad is in jail.
 
2014-01-12 04:58:29 PM

Kooj: Might be worth reading, too:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/childsupport.asp

In particular, the CoC was apparently "for failure to pay child support", and, per the Snopes article:

"(Under Texas law, for an obligor to avoid contempt charges in a child support case, he must be current on all child support obligations at the time of the enforcement hearing, not just those originally pled in the motion to enforce.)"


Still confused... I didn't get the impression that he'd overpaid at all, just that he'd paid the amount owing. Which even Snopes says he had before going to court.

So, if the amount owing is paid in full--which, the reports indicate, and Snopes indicate it was, and the child's mother's attorney testified twice that there was no amount of child support in arrears and Hall was completely current in child support--the contempt charge still doesn't hold water (until he walked out on the judge, at which point a new contempt charge is completely valid... but six months? There are teenaged rapists doing barely more than that in jail. Come the fark on!)
 
2014-01-12 04:59:04 PM

Claude the Dog: Not sure if that was his intent, but Quanell X's involvement immediately makes me feel less sympathy for the guy.


on the contrary.  if anything, i feel more sympathy for the Dad cuz his battle became even more uphill with Quannell in his corner.  he isnt helping in the way the Dad probably hopes for.
 
2014-01-12 05:01:04 PM

Kooj: Might be worth reading, too:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/childsupport.asp

In particular, the CoC was apparently "for failure to pay child support", and, per the Snopes article:

"(Under Texas law, for an obligor to avoid contempt charges in a child support case, he must be current on all child support obligations at the time of the enforcement hearing, not just those originally pled in the motion to enforce.)"


Funny, the article says he was paid up:

Clifford Hall's child support payments are all caught up - he even paid back $3,000 that he says were inadvertently withheld from his ex-wife by his employer prior to the hearing

If some judge held me in Contempt for not paying something I had already paid, I'd feel tempted to walk out of her courtroom, too.
 
2014-01-12 05:01:07 PM

Aigoo: Kooj: Might be worth reading, too:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/childsupport.asp

In particular, the CoC was apparently "for failure to pay child support", and, per the Snopes article:

"(Under Texas law, for an obligor to avoid contempt charges in a child support case, he must be current on all child support obligations at the time of the enforcement hearing, not just those originally pled in the motion to enforce.)"

Still confused... I didn't get the impression that he'd overpaid at all, just that he'd paid the amount owing. Which even Snopes says he had before going to court.

So, if the amount owing is paid in full--which, the reports indicate, and Snopes indicate it was, and the child's mother's attorney testified twice that there was no amount of child support in arrears and Hall was completely current in child support--the contempt charge still doesn't hold water (until he walked out on the judge, at which point a new contempt charge is completely valid... but six months? There are teenaged rapists doing barely more than that in jail. Come the fark on!)


his attorney probably hadn't yet heard of the Affluenza Defense.
 
2014-01-12 05:02:03 PM

thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.


Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.
 
2014-01-12 05:02:30 PM

Joe USer: I'm betting the contempt of court had something to do with it as well.


Yup.  I would expect him to end up in jail for walking out like that.  You simply do not do that sort of thing.

It does sound like there are some shenanigans going on here, though--two changes he wasn't notified of, and how does a child support change happen without you being aware that it might happen??
 
2014-01-12 05:04:16 PM

The Flexecutioner: Aigoo: Kooj: Might be worth reading, too:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/childsupport.asp

In particular, the CoC was apparently "for failure to pay child support", and, per the Snopes article:

"(Under Texas law, for an obligor to avoid contempt charges in a child support case, he must be current on all child support obligations at the time of the enforcement hearing, not just those originally pled in the motion to enforce.)"

Still confused... I didn't get the impression that he'd overpaid at all, just that he'd paid the amount owing. Which even Snopes says he had before going to court.

So, if the amount owing is paid in full--which, the reports indicate, and Snopes indicate it was, and the child's mother's attorney testified twice that there was no amount of child support in arrears and Hall was completely current in child support--the contempt charge still doesn't hold water (until he walked out on the judge, at which point a new contempt charge is completely valid... but six months? There are teenaged rapists doing barely more than that in jail. Come the fark on!)

his attorney probably hadn't yet heard of the Affluenza Defense.


+10 internets to you, sir. Right after I clean the water out of my keyboard...
 
2014-01-12 05:07:05 PM

Aigoo: TheEdibleSnuggie: Joe USer: gja: His fault for being male
/and brown in Texas

I'm betting the contempt of court had something to do with it as well.

Frankly, I'd walk out too if somebody told me I'd be forced to pay my ex's legal fees ON TOP of whatever I just recently doled out in child support payments.

Talk about sticking in the wound.

That judge needs to be the one in jail for six months. He paid the child support--it was an admin error. As soon as he knew there was an admin error, he paid... before it went to court. His visitation was changed and he was not notified. I've seen this happen more than once, and not just in Texas. The child's mother pushed this to court, despite having gotten her child support. She needs to pay her own damn lawyer fees and this judge needs to be pulled the hell out of family court--or any court, for that matter. Even the mother's attorney testified twice that the support was paid and that he owed nothing at all. There's some shady, shady shiat going down in this case.

The mother and the judge are crazy biatches. Take the kid away, give him to dad and let mom pay the damn support.


THAT. A man who wants to be a real father and take responsibility is something to be cherished, not penalized because the judge is petty and his ex is probably some psycho coont out to get him for deciding the relationship wasn't going to work out.
 
2014-01-12 05:08:15 PM

Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.


Yeah, well, that's not how court works.  That's not even how elementary school works.
 
2014-01-12 05:08:47 PM

Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.


Not being married does not protect one from child support.
 
2014-01-12 05:09:58 PM

thamike: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

Yeah, well, that's not how court works.  That's not even how elementary school works.


correct.  courts and elementary schools absolutely do not operate on logic.
 
2014-01-12 05:10:01 PM

Loren: Joe USer: I'm betting the contempt of court had something to do with it as well.

Yup.  I would expect him to end up in jail for walking out like that.  You simply do not do that sort of thing.

It does sound like there are some shenanigans going on here, though--two changes he wasn't notified of, and how does a child support change happen without you being aware that it might happen??


You know how I know you've never dealt with the state on child support?

My sister's ex ended up behind on his child support for his second ex because it took the state almost 6 months to inform his employer. And yes, his second ex went after him with a vengeance over it. The state took the amount he was behind away from my sister's kids, then went after him after he was caught up for being in arrears on child support to my sister--a situation which they (the state) caused with their shenanigans.

My sister felt sorry for him cause ex number two was such a biatch and told the state to fark off--she'd handle child support with him personally. He willingly helped out here and there until her kids were 21, and still does occasionally. THis is why, ladies, it pays to not be an absolute raging c*nt to the father of your children.
 
2014-01-12 05:10:37 PM

saturn badger: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

Not being married does not protect one from child support.


No but it probably helps avoid some of the malice an ex-wife might bring versus an ex-girlfriend.
 
2014-01-12 05:13:00 PM

Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.


The courtroom is not your parents' house. You can't just pout and walk away and slam the door when your feels get hurt. The courtroom is an instrument of justice, of civil society. If you disrespect the judge, you disrespect the court, you disrespect the institution the country is founded on. You aren't allowed to take a breather unless the judge says you may. You aren't allowed to go to the bathroom unless the judge allows you to.

The system is not perfect, but it's the best one we have. If someone gets screwed over, the only thing they need to do is sit down and shut the fark up until the gavel is brought down and the judge explicitly says that the case/court is dismissed. Yes, it sucks when you get screwed over by the court. Yes, it's normal to feel angry and enraged.

But no, it's not 'better' to go take a breather. He should have put his big boy pants on and waited patiently and calmly to avoid invoking the judge's ire.

That's how civil society works. If you can't be an adult, you get punished like a child.
 
2014-01-12 05:13:34 PM

The Flexecutioner: thamike: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

Yeah, well, that's not how court works.  That's not even how elementary school works.

correct.  courts and elementary schools absolutely do not operate on logic.


Yes, not being rewarded for storming out of either completely f*cking defies logic.
 
2014-01-12 05:15:00 PM
Being in the middle of a divorce and related actions that is nearing two years in duration for a marriage that barely made it past four years in length, and where there was no custody issues, I have learned the following:

1) Judges are lazy and overworked and do not read the pleadings you file before a hearing.  Ever.
2) Because the judge hasn't read the motion or the response, the party that filed the motion gets to do all the talking in the hearing, because they have to explain the motion, or in some cases, literally read it out loud to the judge.  By the time they do that, there's not enough time left for the responding party to plead their side of the case.
3) Because the party filing the motion ends up doing all the talking during the hearing, that party usually wins.
4) Judges make up their mind on whose fault it was before the first person opens their mouth.  In most cases, and especially with a female judge, it's the man's fault.  Period.
5) The party with more money pays both attorneys, even if the other side is making stupid motions.
And 6) Once you enter the legal system, there is no escape.  You will be dealing with it for the rest of your life.

My ex-wife literally attached proof she'd committed a felony to a motion she filed against me.  When we pointed that out in the hearing, she immediately withdrew the motion.  When we asked the judge to address the blatant lawbreaking, she decided it was outside her jurisdiction and did nothing.

They don't care.  You just have to walk into that courtroom and figure out how to stroke the judge's ego.  That's it.  There's nothing more to it than that.  Your case will not be evaluated on the facts, merits, or whether anybody followed proper procedure until it reaches the appellate level.
 
2014-01-12 05:15:07 PM

redmid17: saturn badger: Luse: And for some reason young men are increasingly shunning marriage.

Not being married does not protect one from child support.

No but it probably helps avoid some of the malice an ex-wife might bring versus an ex-girlfriend.


Or not. Women are farking crazy when they have your child. Some don't even need the child to be psycho. And I say this as a woman who cannot for the life of me understand what runs through the minds of some women. biatches be crazy.
 
2014-01-12 05:15:56 PM

thamike: The Flexecutioner: thamike: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

Yeah, well, that's not how court works.  That's not even how elementary school works.

correct.  courts and elementary schools absolutely do not operate on logic.

Yes, not being rewarded for storming out of either completely f*cking defies logic.


no, being punished does not equal being rewarded.  and no, he did not STORM out.  that's just you trying to inflammatorily make your illogical case that he somehow deserves 6 months in jail for bruising her fragile ego.
 
2014-01-12 05:16:33 PM
grr... "not being punished ...."
 
2014-01-12 05:18:11 PM

Slagnasty: See kids, this is why you go gay. In most states you still can't get married so no chance of a costly divorce, and you can't impregnate someone of the same sex so no possibility of having to pay child support.

/never once got my boyfriend pregnant.


If it were only that easy. I tried but the whole "not being aroused by men" thing was a real sticking point. Especially in bed. It was like trying to shoot pool with a rope.

//obscure?
 
2014-01-12 05:20:31 PM

thamike: TheEdibleSnuggie: Frankly, I'd walk out too if somebody told me I'd be forced to pay my ex's legal fees ON TOP of whatever I just recently doled out in child support payments.

He walked out because he was found in contempt of court.  He was found in contempt for not following court ordered visitation times.  He didn't follow court ordered visitation times because he "didn't know" about them.


It doesn't work that way and TFA doesn't state that. FTFA I'm still not sure why the contempt of court was filed.

With my ex we just ignored all the visitation ruled by the court and did our own thing. Neither of us complained. It all worked out. We did what we felt was best for the kids. We both left the county with them without notifying the court, as ordered. We decided we were not going to let the state rule what we did with our kids. In the end it was all good.
 
2014-01-12 05:22:30 PM

The Flexecutioner: no, being punished does not equal being rewarded.  and no, he did not STORM out.  that's just you trying to inflammatorily make your illogical case that he somehow deserves 6 months in jail for bruising her fragile ego.


Look, if you don't understand how it works, there's really nothing I can do for you.
 
2014-01-12 05:23:09 PM

The Flexecutioner: thamike: The Flexecutioner: thamike: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

Yeah, well, that's not how court works.  That's not even how elementary school works.

correct.  courts and elementary schools absolutely do not operate on logic.

Yes, not being rewarded for storming out of either completely f*cking defies logic.

no, being punished does not equal being rewarded.  and no, he did not STORM out.  that's just you trying to inflammatorily make your illogical case that he somehow deserves 6 months in jail for bruising her fragile ego.


Whether he saunters out gently and puts on sunglasses while saying, "Deal with it.", or he has a vein bulging out of his forehead and he's ready to rip a phone book in half and storms out -- it's leaving the courtroom without being dismissed.

And yes, it is illegal to do that. It has always been illegal to disrespect the courtroom. Judges are known to power trip, but regardless of what kind of woman this judge is -- what he did would have been met the same way no matter what courtroom he was in. Contempt of court.

In civil society, it's agreed upon that a judge rules the court. This is why judges are elected or appointed by other judges who were elected. Because they are people who civil society has chosen to deal in the matters of justice. They are given the power by the people to serve the people.

Do we really need to explain how civil society works? Contempt of court is contempt of court. It doesn't matter how you do it, or what your motive is -- you never piss off a judge and expect to be rewarded for your insubordination.
 
2014-01-12 05:23:14 PM

notatrollorami: Slagnasty: See kids, this is why you go gay. In most states you still can't get married so no chance of a costly divorce, and you can't impregnate someone of the same sex so no possibility of having to pay child support.

/never once got my boyfriend pregnant.

If it were only that easy. I tried but the whole "not being aroused by men" thing was a real sticking point. Especially in bed. It was like trying to shoot pool with a rope.

//obscure?


Pushing rope and giving one side hell

www.buzzfocus.com
 
2014-01-12 05:24:34 PM

Turbo6inKY: Being in the middle of a divorce and related actions that is nearing two years in duration for a marriage that barely made it past four years in length, and where there was no custody issues, I have learned the following:

1) Judges are lazy and overworked and do not read the pleadings you file before a hearing.  Ever.
2) Because the judge hasn't read the motion or the response, the party that filed the motion gets to do all the talking in the hearing, because they have to explain the motion, or in some cases, literally read it out loud to the judge.  By the time they do that, there's not enough time left for the responding party to plead their side of the case.
3) Because the party filing the motion ends up doing all the talking during the hearing, that party usually wins.
4) Judges make up their mind on whose fault it was before the first person opens their mouth.  In most cases, and especially with a female judge, it's the man's fault.  Period.
5) The party with more money pays both attorneys, even if the other side is making stupid motions.
And 6) Once you enter the legal system, there is no escape.  You will be dealing with it for the rest of your life.

My ex-wife literally attached proof she'd committed a felony to a motion she filed against me.  When we pointed that out in the hearing, she immediately withdrew the motion.  When we asked the judge to address the blatant lawbreaking, she decided it was outside her jurisdiction and did nothing.

They don't care.  You just have to walk into that courtroom and figure out how to stroke the judge's ego.  That's it.  There's nothing more to it than that.  Your case will not be evaluated on the facts, merits, or whether anybody followed proper procedure until it reaches the appellate level.


Get a new judge. My female divorce judge read everything and knew more about the case than either of our attorneys (who hadn't read everything). We each paid our own lawyers and if she had determined fault, she kept it to herself--she was trying to be as fair as she possibly could, given the circumstances. Of course, the only thing I wanted out of that marriage was me, so she could have told me to pay everything (even though I made half what he did) and I would have been perfectly okay with that.
 
2014-01-12 05:24:59 PM

saturn badger: It doesn't work that way and TFA doesn't state that. FTFA I'm still not sure why the contempt of court was filed.

With my ex we just ignored all the visitation ruled by the court and did our own thing. Neither of us complained. It all worked out. We did what we felt was best for the kids. We both left the county with them without notifying the court, as ordered. We decided we were not going to let the state rule what we did with our kids. In the end it was all good.


It does work that way.  You and your wife are lucky.

Read the sourced article.  It's just as poorly written, but includes the same sort of details that the Daily Fail always excludes when they have their usual wild hair up their ass.
 
2014-01-12 05:25:00 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Weatherkiss: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

The courtroom is not your parents' house. You can't just pout and walk away and slam the door when your feels get hurt. The courtroom is an instrument of justice, of civil society. If you disrespect the judge, you disrespect the court, you disrespect the institution the country is founded on. You aren't allowed to take a breather unless the judge says you may. You aren't allowed to go to the bathroom unless the judge allows you to.

The system is not perfect, but it's the best one we have. If someone gets screwed over, the only thing they need to do is sit down and shut the fark up until the gavel is brought down and the judge explicitly says that the case/court is dismissed. Yes, it sucks when you get screwed over by the court. Yes, it's normal to feel angry and enraged.

But no, it's not 'better' to go take a breather. He should have put his big boy pants on and waited patiently and calmly to avoid invoking the judge's ire.

That's how civil society works. If you can't be an adult, you get punished like a child.

so, when did you complete your Kolinahr?


On graduation day like any other vulcan. What planet are you from?
 
2014-01-12 05:25:05 PM

Weatherkiss: The Flexecutioner: thamike: The Flexecutioner: thamike: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

Yeah, well, that's not how court works.  That's not even how elementary school works.

correct.  courts and elementary schools absolutely do not operate on logic.

Yes, not being rewarded for storming out of either completely f*cking defies logic.

no, being punished does not equal being rewarded.  and no, he did not STORM out.  that's just you trying to inflammatorily make your illogical case that he somehow deserves 6 months in jail for bruising her fragile ego.

Whether he saunters out gently and puts on sunglasses while saying, "Deal with it.", or he has a vein bulging out of his forehead and he's ready to rip a phone book in half and storms out -- it's leaving the courtroom without being dismissed.

And yes, it is illegal to do that. It has always been illegal to disrespect the courtroom. Judges are known to power trip, but regardless of what kind of woman this judge is -- what he did would have been met the same way no matter what courtroom he was in. Contempt of court.

In civil society, it's agreed upon that a judge rules the court. This is why judges are elected or appointed by other judges who were elected. Because they ar ...


And a six month sentence for contempt of court is kind of like dropping a bomb on a housing complex because the people won't come out to be arrested.
 
2014-01-12 05:27:52 PM

redmid17: And a six month sentence for contempt of court is kind of like dropping a bomb on a housing complex because the people won't come out to be arrested.


You're arguing a point that isn't being debated by the people you're responding to.
 
2014-01-12 05:28:31 PM

redmid17: Weatherkiss: The Flexecutioner: thamike: The Flexecutioner: thamike: Vector R: thamike: Walking out when you're pissed off at the Judge will not help you in any way, except grant you a temporary reprieve of being angry. But it'll simply make it harder for your lawyers to get the Judge to reconsider the ruling.

Even the judge said that had he not walked out like that, she would have been able to give the case a closer look.  Of course, the Daily Mail sliced that tidbit out of their almost verbatim reposting of a retarded MyFoxHouston blog piece.

Oh no, she was perfectly able to give the case a closer look, she just chose not to because she's a power-tripping coont. Some of us walk away when we get too emotional, and that's probable exactly what happened. Better to go take a breather than tell the judge exactly how much of a man-hating coont she is.

Yeah, well, that's not how court works.  That's not even how elementary school works.

correct.  courts and elementary schools absolutely do not operate on logic.

Yes, not being rewarded for storming out of either completely f*cking defies logic.

no, being punished does not equal being rewarded.  and no, he did not STORM out.  that's just you trying to inflammatorily make your illogical case that he somehow deserves 6 months in jail for bruising her fragile ego.

Whether he saunters out gently and puts on sunglasses while saying, "Deal with it.", or he has a vein bulging out of his forehead and he's ready to rip a phone book in half and storms out -- it's leaving the courtroom without being dismissed.

And yes, it is illegal to do that. It has always been illegal to disrespect the courtroom. Judges are known to power trip, but regardless of what kind of woman this judge is -- what he did would have been met the same way no matter what courtroom he was in. Contempt of court.

In civil society, it's agreed upon that a judge rules the court. This is why judges are elected or appointed by other judges who were elected. Be ...


Except noone dies, no property is destroyed, and the only financial loss is from court fees and the lack of income while imprisoned.

I'm not saying the six month jail sentence isn't harsh. For all I know it'll be appealed and reduced or eliminated entirely. But he blatantly pissed off the judge. It just makes it more difficult for her (or another judge) to reconsider and lessen the punishment.
 
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