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(Yahoo)   Sure, the NSA might be snooping in your spam folder but it's not like they hired the Chinese to build sensors for US fighter jets   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 15
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2014-01-12 03:18:38 PM
A far bigger concern is that the sensors were likely outsourced to a third party, the requirements were poorly translated, the code is lousy, the testing was subpar, and everyone involved has already left the company for a higher paying job.
 
2014-01-12 03:19:44 PM
As someone who works in the electronics manufacturing industry this is Grade A stupid.

We deal with ITAR  shiat all the time.  The government give you a giant list of things that are ITAR and/or UCNI controlled, things that require date/lot control so you can trace every single part on each board back to where it got made;loads of rules and regulations in order to not introduce counterfeit bullshiat into the supply chain, profit off conflict minerals from central Africa, or teach China/Iran etc how to make your sweet missiles.  You follow the rules for those things or you go to jail.  Its not a particularly difficult thing to follow.  Is the shiat i'm working with on the list? if the answer is yes, you don't send it outside the US without a permission slip signed in triplicate to cover your ass. Do you think some things on the list are silly? Yes.  Do you follow the law anyway because its the law? Yes.

A bunch of geniuses at Honeywell there.  Geniuses.
 
2014-01-12 03:22:29 PM
But Snowden is the traitor for going to Russia.  Bill Clinton gave away all of our secrets decades ago. The damage has long since been done.
 
2014-01-12 03:49:48 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: As someone who works in the electronics manufacturing industry this is Grade A stupid.

We deal with ITAR  shiat all the time.  The government give you a giant list of things that are ITAR and/or UCNI controlled, things that require date/lot control so you can trace every single part on each board back to where it got made;loads of rules and regulations in order to not introduce counterfeit bullshiat into the supply chain, profit off conflict minerals from central Africa, or teach China/Iran etc how to make your sweet missiles.  You follow the rules for those things or you go to jail.  Its not a particularly difficult thing to follow.  Is the shiat i'm working with on the list? if the answer is yes, you don't send it outside the US without a permission slip signed in triplicate to cover your ass. Do you think some things on the list are silly? Yes.  Do you follow the law anyway because its the law? Yes.

A bunch of geniuses at Honeywell there.  Geniuses.


Well - in all fairness, they certainly bought the right people, or the waivers wouldn't have been granted.  It's not their fault if someone decided to go after Pentagon and they got caught in the crossfire.  You can't predict that.
 
2014-01-12 04:08:46 PM

Nemo's Brother: But Snowden is the traitor for going to Russia.  Bill Clinton gave away all of our secrets decades ago. The damage has long since been done.


Never thought I'd see "Snowden, b-b-but Clinton!"
 
2014-01-12 05:52:06 PM
Remember, kids, when the government wants something, they'll waive the law. When you steal $10 to feed your children, they'll throw the book at you. Laws are for the peasants.
 
2014-01-12 06:01:02 PM
Yeah but as we learned from the NSA / Snowden thing, our government is less concerned about the threat posed by foreign governments than it is about its own citizens.
 
2014-01-12 06:25:53 PM
I don't see where the NSA hired the Chinese to do anything in this story, submitter.
 
2014-01-12 07:28:08 PM
Sounds like stupid supply chain management to me.
It also sounds like a stupidly-broad application of a law intended to protect US manufacturing interests. Of course, these jets are costing MUCH more than promised, I think the cost of the entire program is now nearly twice the original estimate. And the point of the entire program was to reduce costs and keep production and budget in line.

I'm surprised that the US government has not kicked Lockheed out the door and told Boeing that we want to use their design instead. Boeing may have problems (like with the 787), but at least they can deliver airplanes
 
2014-01-12 07:35:48 PM

qorkfiend: Nemo's Brother: But Snowden is the traitor for going to Russia.  Bill Clinton gave away all of our secrets decades ago. The damage has long since been done.

Never thought I'd see "Snowden, b-b-but Clinton!"


Desperate times call for desperate measures, tovarich!
 
2014-01-12 07:58:10 PM
To be fair, nothing gets past the Chinese sensors.
 
2014-01-12 09:09:44 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Do you follow the law anyway because its the law?


Of course not. That's what lawyers and lobbyists are for.

If corporations went around following the law, we wouldn't have half the problems we have these days.
 
2014-01-13 05:14:11 AM

untaken_name: Remember, kids, when the government wants something, they'll waive the law. When you steal $10 to feed your children, they'll throw the book at you. Laws are for the peasants.


DUH. The peasants can't afford to hire lobbyists to buy, err lobby, politicians.

We have the best government on the face of the planet, that money can buy, why do you hate America?
 
2014-01-13 12:21:30 PM

SDRR: why do you hate America?


I love America. I just hate Americans. And American politicians most of all.
 
2014-01-13 02:51:40 PM
So, they moved the plant from Scotland to China, and now that they're using these sensors in a war jet they're moving the plant to the USA.  How very traNSpArent.  File this under the Politics tab (at least as submitted.  And subby gets a -5 Cursed Headline of Deficiencies!}
 
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