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(New Delhi TV)   First the companies battled on the desktop, then the browser, then the phone/music player, then the tablet. The next battle Microsoft will lose: the car   (gadgets.ndtv.com) divider line 51
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2014-01-12 10:48:35 AM
Good. Sync, Entune, and MyLink, all basically Microsoft products, suck.They are not intuitive to use, have restrictions on use that sometimes makes a feature unusable and can be difficult to upgrade. Or more realistically, can't really be upgraded.
 
2014-01-12 10:59:44 AM
Fine with me

/who needs a BSOD in rush hour traffic?
 
2014-01-12 11:26:49 AM
ABpit 90% of desktop and notebook computers are Windows. Someday, I hope to fail at Microsoft's level.
 
2014-01-12 11:34:16 AM
And in order to lose this race, Microsoft will replace Metro with a dashboard style desktop and replace mouse functions with BMW's iDrive.
 
2014-01-12 11:54:18 AM

Steve Zodiac: Good. Sync, Entune, and MyLink, all basically Microsoft products, suck.They are not intuitive to use, have restrictions on use that sometimes makes a feature unusable and can be difficult to upgrade. Or more realistically, can't really be upgraded.


I don't believe Microsoft has anything to do with MyLink, and I'm not sure about Entune.  As far as Sync goes, it's probably the best system on the market, at least at the base level.

A lot of the issues with Sync aren't with Sync itself, but with MyFord Touch, which is the advanced touchscreen infotainment system that Ford developed on top of Sync.  MS didn't have anything to do with the initial development of MyFord Touch, and development of that system was an epic clusterfark.  IIRC Ford has since went to MS and contracted them to rewrite a lot of the MyFord Touch system to actually get it to work the way it's supposed to.  I have it in my car, and the updates have made it far more stable and usable than it was when it first came out.

GM is doing some interesting things at the entry level.  Some of their inexpensive small cars come with a different version of MyLink that offloads more of the functionality to the smartphone.  For the Sonic and Spark if you want navigation you just buy the screen as an option from Chevy (which is inexpensive) and then download a $50 app to your phone that connects to the screen and gives you the navigation.

I could see that strategy becoming more popular - the car has the software that controls functions related to the car like climate, radio, vehicle settings, etc, and everything else is run off of your phone and mirrors to the car display.  Of course, it would take some work to make that completely platform agnostic, but it would be worthwhile if they can get it to work.
 
2014-01-12 01:33:24 PM
My 1996 Chevy is getting better everyday.

/touchscreens are the Devil.
 
2014-01-12 02:07:10 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Steve Zodiac: Good. Sync, Entune, and MyLink, all basically Microsoft products, suck.They are not intuitive to use, have restrictions on use that sometimes makes a feature unusable and can be difficult to upgrade. Or more realistically, can't really be upgraded.

I don't believe Microsoft has anything to do with MyLink, and I'm not sure about Entune.  As far as Sync goes, it's probably the best system on the market, at least at the base level.


I like Sync in my Fiesta. It does everything I could want from it (I have a 2011 without the touch screen stuff).

The only problem with Sync is Sync services, which has gotten worse at voice recognition in 3 years. The car has good voice recognition for voice commands, but you tap into Sync services, and it can't even recognize the word "yes" when asking whether you want to use the destination you put in Mapquest.

There is one tiny glitch where the car will 'forget' that it has Sync about once a year, requiring me to go into the menu and manually tell it to search for the USB and Bluetooth stuff. But since the car still continues playing music from the exact spot it was playing when I stopped it before, I suspect this is some kind of issue with the hardware between the ignition and Sync, not Sync itself.

The dealerships have no idea why this happens either, so...
 
2014-01-12 02:08:19 PM
Microsofts in my car? More likely thank you think
 
2014-01-12 02:19:25 PM
I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.
 
2014-01-12 02:23:29 PM
Microsoft won the desktop and browser wars.
 
2014-01-12 02:30:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And in order to lose this race, Microsoft will replace Metro with a dashboard style desktop and replace mouse functions with BMW's iDrive.


I sure hope not, iDrive sucks.

/still love my x5, though
 
2014-01-12 02:34:03 PM

Saborlas: ABpit 90% of desktop and notebook computers are Windows. Someday, I hope to fail at Microsoft's level.


They're also reportedly making $2 billion a year off of Android phones.
 
2014-01-12 02:41:41 PM

Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.


Plus, your tech isn't out of date with 4 years left to go on your car loan

/don't want built in tech; I'll take my mobile with me thanks
 
2014-01-12 02:44:59 PM

Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.


Same here.  I like tactile buttons.  I really don't want my HVAC controls moving to a flat surface that I have to watch to make sure I hit the right spot.
 
2014-01-12 02:48:46 PM
I'm just as excited about app-enabled cars as I was for 3D TVs.

/no1carr
 
2014-01-12 02:50:54 PM

Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.


That.

For the techno crap, I keep one phone hooked up to the stereo's aux input and long press the volume rockers to change tracks; in my lap or tucked in the trucks center seat storage for easy, no look access.  I keep my actual phone in a dash mount that I'm able to see while driving for maps, gps, etc, and Google voice is good enough that I don't have to touch anything to update directions:  Google.  Find Blah, Blah, Blah.  Done.

For me, adding in things like in dash touchscreens is counter productive because I already have a setup that I like and have no intentions of changing it, unless they start using Kit Kat tablets as the dash screen with PHYSICAL BUTTONS for commonly used things like the thermostat, radio/music controls. cruise control, etc.

I also just don't like the idea of an interactive, internet enabled computer at the heart of my vehicle.  I can already see some sort of NFC hack where all ya gotta do is touch a phone to a car to have all the driver's personal information or lock the driver out of the system....or the NFC/WIFI "spike strip" to disable the vehicle.  Does anyone really trust Chevy, Ford, Microsoft, Apple, Google, whoever to put good security measures in place?  I know I don't.

And Sync does suck.  At least it does in a 2011 Mariner.  Can't get anything to connect to it....if it does, it won't play music....at least it has an aux input and it isn't mine (my Mother's, she loves it, except for Sync).
 
2014-01-12 02:52:01 PM

Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.


Touch screens and physical controls aren't mutually exclusive, and a good dash layout will use both.

Take a look at this:

ericpetersautos.com

You have physical controls for just about everything that you'd need to adjust while driving - climate/defrost, radio (on/off/volume/track or preset skip), fan speed, vent control, 4wd, trailer bake control, headlights, and adjustable pedals with steering wheel mounted controls for cruise control, voice command, trip computer, and (hidden behind the wheel) volume and track/preset skip.

The touch screen then lets you deep dive into your sound settings, browse through your AM/FM/XM and set your presets, set your rarely changed vehicle settings, input navigation directions (that can also be done by voice) and do other things that you aren't really going to do while driving, but having a reconfigurable display makes easier.
 
2014-01-12 02:52:02 PM
Sounds like subby needs to take Google's dick out of his mouth
/Or he works for The Verge
 
2014-01-12 02:56:21 PM
As long as they don't use the system out of the 2014 Mazda 3.  Nice car, but the infotainment sucks.  Mine, so far has done the following:

* Randomly rebooted for no reason at all.
* Forgotten all radio presets, randomly, numerous times.
* "Check XM Antenna" message.  XM works fine but no station/song data.
* HD radio cuts in/out.  Clear view of Empire State building.
* Forgotten that my iPhone is attached.  Then not realize I unplugged my iPhone.
* Corrupted and the magically uncorrupted the music database - without the DB, you can't manually select songs on your iDevice.
* Locked up the display screen, yet still function as a music player.
* Played music at the wrong tempo/pitch.  I can't believe this one actually exists.
* Radio / XM / USB / CD volumes all mis-match.
* "Authorization failure" randomly on iDevice plug-in.
* Determined I was in Jamacia Bay when I was in Forrest Hills.
* Forgotten I have a nav system installed (random).
* Incorrectly reported altitudes, or unable to report, despite having a lock on FIVE satellites.
* Missing roads on the map that reappear at a later time.  Driving on them may/may not crash the system.

The rest of the car is great, it looks great, gets 35 mpg all around average, is roomy, has the nicest shifter ever.  But the infotainment?  Holy crap, it SUCKS.  It needs a top to bottom re-write.
 
2014-01-12 02:57:32 PM
Just what I want, a car that can be hacked.

And seriously, Microsoft???    Definitely not interested in seeing a BSOD while driving, thank you very much.
 
2014-01-12 03:06:11 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.

Touch screens and physical controls aren't mutually exclusive, and a good dash layout will use both.

Take a look at this:

[ericpetersautos.com image 850x315]


And that is great, and what I want. Big buttons, and what is essentially just a better radio display. Judging from everything that was on display at CES, it isn't going to be that. Its going to be an all touch interface.

Oh well.
 
2014-01-12 03:10:42 PM

Steve Zodiac: Good. Sync, Entune, and MyLink, all basically Microsoft products, suck.They are not intuitive to use, have restrictions on use that sometimes makes a feature unusable and can be difficult to upgrade. Or more realistically, can't really be upgraded.


The Sync on my gf's 2013 Edge seems pretty nice.  The only complaint I have is the map layout makes it difficult to see traffic and zoom, but the accident monitor is better than any other GPS I've seen
 
2014-01-12 03:53:14 PM

skeevy420: Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.

That.

For the techno crap, I keep one phone hooked up to the stereo's aux input and long press the volume rockers to change tracks; in my lap or tucked in the trucks center seat storage for easy, no look access.  I keep my actual phone in a dash mount that I'm able to see while driving for maps, gps, etc, and Google voice is good enough that I don't have to touch anything to update directions:  Google.  Find Blah, Blah, Blah.  Done.

For me, adding in things like in dash touchscreens is counter productive because I already have a setup that I like and have no intentions of changing it, unless they start using Kit Kat tablets as the dash screen with PHYSICAL BUTTONS for commonly used things like the thermostat, radio/music controls. cruise control, etc.

I also just don't like the idea of an interactive, internet enabled computer at the heart of my vehicle.  I can already see some sort of NFC hack where all ya gotta do is touch a phone to a car to have all the driver's personal information or lock the driver out of the system....or the NFC/WIFI "spike strip" to disable the vehicle.  Does anyone really trust Chevy, Ford, Microsoft, Apple, Google, whoever to put good security measures in place?  I know I don't.

And Sync does suck.  At least it does in a 2011 Mariner.  Can't get anything to connect to it....if it does, it won't play music....at least it has an aux input and it isn't mine (my Mother's, she loves it, except for Sync).


Yeah I started using my phone for all the audio in my car. I was sick of all the garbage one size fits all docks for phones though. Found ProClips. You buy two parts, one customized for your car and one for your phone. Makes controlling my phone while driving a lot safer. Podcasts and Google music beats anything on the radio.
 
2014-01-12 04:30:14 PM

RainWhenIDie: skeevy420: Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.

That.

For the techno crap, I keep one phone hooked up to the stereo's aux input and long press the volume rockers to change tracks; in my lap or tucked in the trucks center seat storage for easy, no look access.  I keep my actual phone in a dash mount that I'm able to see while driving for maps, gps, etc, and Google voice is good enough that I don't have to touch anything to update directions:  Google.  Find Blah, Blah, Blah.  Done.

For me, adding in things like in dash touchscreens is counter productive because I already have a setup that I like and have no intentions of changing it, unless they start using Kit Kat tablets as the dash screen with PHYSICAL BUTTONS for commonly used things like the thermostat, radio/music controls. cruise control, etc.

I also just don't like the idea of an interactive, internet enabled computer at the heart of my vehicle.  I can already see some sort of NFC hack where all ya gotta do is touch a phone to a car to have all the driver's personal information or lock the driver out of the system....or the NFC/WIFI "spike strip" to disable the vehicle.  Does anyone really trust Chevy, Ford, Microsoft, Apple, Google, whoever to put good security measures in place?  I know I don't.

And Sync does suck.  At least it does in a 2011 Mariner.  Can't get anything to connect to it....if it does, it won't play music....at least it has an aux input and it isn't mine (my Mother's, she loves it, except for Sync).

Yeah I started using my phone for all the audio in my car. I was sick of all the garbage one size fits all docks for phones though. Found ProClips. You buy two parts, one customized for your car and one for your phone. Makes controlling my phone while driving a lot safer. Podcasts and Google music beats anything on the radio.


My Atrix HD came with a dock just made for it, and it works pretty good*.  I'm still on the AHD because Motorola ditched sd cards with their new phones.  I like having the ability to have multiple sd cards for music, movies, work, etc, and trying to make on board storage work for all is a pita.....and don't suggest "Use the cloud" when I can't afford the overage charges that brings OR USE WIFI WHILE DRIVING.

* once I rooted it, removed Moto's stock Vehicle Mode app, and replaced that with a 3rd Party alternative......Nowadays, with KK, I just use Google Now.  It works, please don't fu*k it up Google.

JUST RANTING
There's something seriously f'd up about them being able to sell us 2~3GB/month when the phone is able to eat that up in 2-3  hours, faster if you know how to pull some bandwidth.  I hate explaining to not-tech savvy people about bandwidth usage and how they shouldn't watch YouTube or NetFlix on 4G if they don't want to spend the extra $$$ on overage charges.

It's 4G so I have 4 of em.   Quit trying to tell me I only have 2 and a half.
Can I see your phone?

Takes phone, dials  *DATA#
Waits a sec
....
See that.  That's your plan and I told ya so.  You should watch it, you're getting close to going over again.  (5 days in and 2.25/2.5 GB used)

....I've actually had that exchange before.

There isn't a real value to getting the extra 2GB a month, except for tethering (that you can also get for free with a custom rom).
It costs $20/month for 2 GB or $10/per GB over.  I'll take the overage fee every time vs. paying for and possibly not using it.
 
2014-01-12 04:44:24 PM

Irregardless: GRCooper: Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.

Plus, your tech isn't out of date with 4 years left to go on your car loan

/don't want built in tech; I'll take my mobile with me thanks

This. Don't build in the tech as it will quickly become obsolete. Just give us the ability to easily and completely plug in the mobile device of our choosing.


Nah. Embedded systems are much more lucrative than modular design.
 
2014-01-12 06:36:41 PM
My smartphone fits perfectly over the tachometer in the dash, leaving the speedometer unobscured. It's an automatic (got a good price) and it gives an excellent view of the GPS on it.

Just put a notch in the dash, adaptor plate with a quick release and an induction charger in it.
 
2014-01-12 06:45:58 PM

Saborlas: ABpit 90% of desktop and notebook computers are Windows. Someday, I hope to fail at Microsoft's level.


This

Apple may make better stuff, but they price themselves into competition. If one could buy an Apple product for the price of a Microsoft equivalent, they would dominate the market.

/Also do Apple computers have the same problem with not be compatible with most games that they use too? Or did that go away with the powerPC/intel switchover?
//I'm a Windows user and have no really desire to switch to Mac or android. Maybe Linux.
 
2014-01-12 06:48:36 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Just what I want, a car that can be hacked.

And seriously, Microsoft???    Definitely not interested in seeing a BSOD while driving, thank you very much.


2002 called. They want their BSOD jokes back.
 
2014-01-12 07:03:24 PM
I just want to be able to download my iTunes music and movies/vids to the car. Or at least be able to download via transfer via iPod. Or at least 40 - 50GB worth. Or maybe connect the iPod to the car and be able to control the iPod from the car's touchscreen.   I remember having a 6 disc changer in the trunk and being able to control it from the radio panel.
 
2014-01-12 07:06:25 PM

Joe USer: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Just what I want, a car that can be hacked.

And seriously, Microsoft???    Definitely not interested in seeing a BSOD while driving, thank you very much.

2002 called. They want their BSOD jokes back.


What year wants their "N year called, wants X back" jokes back?
 
2014-01-12 07:08:59 PM

teto85: I just want to be able to download my iTunes music and movies/vids to the car. Or at least be able to download via transfer via iPod. Or at least 40 - 50GB worth. Or maybe connect the iPod to the car and be able to control the iPod from the car's touchscreen.   I remember having a 6 disc changer in the trunk and being able to control it from the radio panel.


You can do that now.  None of the systems I'm aware of let you transfer music from the iPod directly to the car, but that's more of an issue with DRM and a nod to the RIAA over piracy concerns than a technology problem.
 
2014-01-12 07:10:12 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Joe USer: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Just what I want, a car that can be hacked.

And seriously, Microsoft???    Definitely not interested in seeing a BSOD while driving, thank you very much.

2002 called. They want their BSOD jokes back.

What year wants their "N year called, wants X back" jokes back?


The shrimp store called, they want their jerk back.
 
2014-01-12 07:15:59 PM
 
2014-01-12 07:29:16 PM
Chrysler's UConnect system gets updates via self extracting .exe files. I sh** you not.

/Works in a dealership
//Had to walk a mechanic through an issue with downloading them (browser was out of date and the Chrysler service section wasn't loading)
 
2014-01-12 07:46:13 PM

Paelian: TuteTibiImperes: Steve Zodiac: Good. Sync, Entune, and MyLink, all basically Microsoft products, suck.They are not intuitive to use, have restrictions on use that sometimes makes a feature unusable and can be difficult to upgrade. Or more realistically, can't really be upgraded.

I don't believe Microsoft has anything to do with MyLink, and I'm not sure about Entune.  As far as Sync goes, it's probably the best system on the market, at least at the base level.

I like Sync in my Fiesta. It does everything I could want from it (I have a 2011 without the touch screen stuff).

The only problem with Sync is Sync services, which has gotten worse at voice recognition in 3 years. The car has good voice recognition for voice commands, but you tap into Sync services, and it can't even recognize the word "yes" when asking whether you want to use the destination you put in Mapquest.

There is one tiny glitch where the car will 'forget' that it has Sync about once a year, requiring me to go into the menu and manually tell it to search for the USB and Bluetooth stuff. But since the car still continues playing music from the exact spot it was playing when I stopped it before, I suspect this is some kind of issue with the hardware between the ignition and Sync, not Sync itself.

The dealerships have no idea why this happens either, so...


I have the 2013 Fiesta, and only have two issues with Sync, and neither of them are Microsoft's fault from what I can tell.

The first is related to my iPod Nano, as it randomly disconnects and isn't picked up by the car from time to time. However, I think this is more of an Apple issue, as I have the latest Nano with the new cable, and the iPod does the same thing when hooked to my Onkyo Surround Sound System, to my computer, and several other devices. I think it's a combination of the firmware, and the fact that the new cables appear to be shiate, and aren't as sturdy as the old 30-pins.

The second is more of a Ford issue than a Microsoft one, and that is that Sync is severely gimped in Canada. I can't run a damn vehicle health report, or do half the shiat the Americans can with Sync Services.

I'm pretty happy with the car and the system, as it's the barebones one because Ford didn't start putting the touch system into the Fiesta until the 2014 model year.
 
2014-01-12 07:50:55 PM
Have fun editing the registry at 65 MPH.
 
2014-01-12 08:07:21 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Joe USer: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Just what I want, a car that can be hacked.

And seriously, Microsoft???    Definitely not interested in seeing a BSOD while driving, thank you very much.

2002 called. They want their BSOD jokes back.

What year wants their "N year called, wants X back" jokes back?

The shrimp store called, they want their jerk back.


the jerk store called, and they're out of you.
 
2014-01-12 08:28:28 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Chrysler's UConnect system gets updates via self extracting .exe files. I sh** you not.

/Works in a dealership
//Had to walk a mechanic through an issue with downloading them (browser was out of date and the Chrysler service section wasn't loading)


UConnect is also one of the highest rated in-car infotainment systems, mostly because it is simpler than most and doesn't try to do too much.  Makes it much more responsive and much less likely to break.

After trying a couple different ones at auto shows through the years, it's one of the few I'd actually consider checking the box for in a new car.

Not that I can actually afford a new car at this point, but details.
 
2014-01-12 08:52:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: teto85: I just want to be able to download my iTunes music and movies/vids to the car. Or at least be able to download via transfer via iPod. Or at least 40 - 50GB worth. Or maybe connect the iPod to the car and be able to control the iPod from the car's touchscreen.   I remember having a 6 disc changer in the trunk and being able to control it from the radio panel.

You can do that now.  None of the systems I'm aware of let you transfer music from the iPod directly to the car, but that's more of an issue with DRM and a nod to the RIAA over piracy concerns than a technology problem.


I know, just being sarcastic.  It does all that and will even ring up my mobile phone when it's charged up.  What is really cool, or warm, depending on the weather, is I can use the phone to turn on the environmental system and have the car cooling down or warming up as I walk back the to supercharging station.
 
2014-01-12 09:08:48 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.

Touch screens and physical controls aren't mutually exclusive, and a good dash layout will use both.

Take a look at this:

[ericpetersautos.com image 850x315]

You have physical controls for just about everything that you'd need to adjust while driving - climate/defrost, radio (on/off/volume/track or preset skip), fan speed, vent control, 4wd, trailer bake control, headlights, and adjustable pedals with steering wheel mounted controls for cruise control, voice command, trip computer, and (hidden behind the wheel) volume and track/preset skip.

The touch screen then lets you deep dive into your sound settings, browse through your AM/FM/XM and set your presets, set your rarely changed vehicle settings, input navigation directions (that can also be done by voice) and do other things that you aren't really going to do while driving, but having a reconfigurable display makes easier.


Although I agree that looks functional, it is the ugliest dash I have seen in quite some time.  Almost as ugly as the old 1988 Chevy S-10 dashes, a dashboard so ugly the internet has no pictures of it.  And the only thread on it was someone getting rid of it because it was so ugly.
 
2014-01-12 09:26:21 PM
If karma is a real thing, Microsoft will lose this market to competitors and every other market they compete in.
 
2014-01-12 09:53:17 PM

Inaditch: Microsoft won the desktop and browser wars.


And we lost big-time....
 
2014-01-12 09:57:41 PM

Gotfire: If karma is a real thing, Microsoft will lose this market to competitors and every other market they compete in.


Give it up dude, Linus isn't going to sleep with you.

/Apple, Google, Sony, Facebook, Kraft, McDonalds... all of them are slightly different flavors of the same shiat and proof karma doesn't exist
 
2014-01-13 12:21:57 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Gubbo: I don't get all this touchscreen in the car nonsense. My car has wonderful big buttons. Buttons that I can feel and press without looking at them. Which means I can keep looking at where I'm going.

Touch screens and physical controls aren't mutually exclusive, and a good dash layout will use both.

Take a look at this:

[ericpetersautos.com image 850x315]

You have physical controls for just about everything that you'd need to adjust while driving - climate/defrost, radio (on/off/volume/track or preset skip), fan speed, vent control, 4wd, trailer bake control, headlights, and adjustable pedals with steering wheel mounted controls for cruise control, voice command, trip computer, and (hidden behind the wheel) volume and track/preset skip.

The touch screen then lets you deep dive into your sound settings, browse through your AM/FM/XM and set your presets, set your rarely changed vehicle settings, input navigation directions (that can also be done by voice) and do other things that you aren't really going to do while driving, but having a reconfigurable display makes easier.


It's also keeping a nice driving record and mapping your destinations, uploading it to the server, and making it available to NSA or whomever with or without a subpoena.

I'll stick with my 1998 mostly analog car for now. Zero interest in being part of the learning curve on cars leaking personal data or being hacked into because marketing won a battle over security.
 
2014-01-13 12:25:06 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Joe USer: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Just what I want, a car that can be hacked.

And seriously, Microsoft???    Definitely not interested in seeing a BSOD while driving, thank you very much.

2002 called. They want their BSOD jokes back.

What year wants their "N year called, wants X back" jokes back?


The year 5.5/Apple/26 obviously. One year before Linux is finally ready for the desktop.
 
2014-01-13 12:42:32 AM
images.thesamba.com..
NO DATA SNIFFING FOR YOU, PIGGIE!!!
And you can't cut my engine with microwaves either!
Suck it.
 
2014-01-13 01:52:56 AM

CSM101: TuteTibiImperes: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Joe USer: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Just what I want, a car that can be hacked.

And seriously, Microsoft???    Definitely not interested in seeing a BSOD while driving, thank you very much.

2002 called. They want their BSOD jokes back.

What year wants their "N year called, wants X back" jokes back?

The shrimp store called, they want their jerk back.

the jerk store called, and they're out of you.


the you store called, and they're all out of clouds to get on.
 
2014-01-13 10:41:07 AM

Inaditch: Microsoft won the desktop and browser wars.


Won the browser wars? IE is pretty much the must failtastic bucket of fail to ever fail.

/fail
 
2014-01-13 12:16:44 PM

fang06554: Inaditch: Microsoft won the desktop and browser wars.

Won the browser wars? IE is pretty much the must failtastic bucket of fail to ever fail.

/fail


Sure, but it basically took government(particularly the EU) blowing it up to undo it
 
2014-01-13 12:30:33 PM

bhcompy: fang06554: Inaditch: Microsoft won the desktop and browser wars.

Won the browser wars? IE is pretty much the must failtastic bucket of fail to ever fail.

/fail

Sure, but it basically took government(particularly the EU) blowing it up to undo it


Not really.  While that may have made some difference in the EU (I don't really know), in the US IE is still the default browser on every new machine, and you aren't given an option to choose a browser.  Even with that, IE is still losing.  The main break in its stranglehold started with Firefox being faster, full of features, and also free.  Next came the horrible security holes of IE 6, and then came Chrome, and the browser arms race.

Now Microsoft is losing.. even to itself.  I have some clients that can't use Windows 8 at all, because IE is no longer compatible with earlier versions of IE.

Hell, the only reason they can be considered winning the desktop is because they are competing with themselves.  Windows 8 lost to Windows 7.
 
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