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(Jezebel)   Traditional American masculinity is on its way out, and men have no one to blame but themselves. Men are useless trifecta now in play   (jezebel.com ) divider line
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2014-01-12 02:07:24 PM  
 
2014-01-12 02:07:55 PM  
Also, antidisestablishmentarianism, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Somebody bought the wrong color welder.
 
2014-01-12 02:08:41 PM  

Rincewind53: Uh, yeah. Declining male power is largely the result of the economy making traditionally male-dominated physical jobs mostly obsolete.

"It's the economy, stupid"


If not outright illegal.

Go on, try to be a stereotypical "man"- loud, alpha-dominant, and burly--in an office environment.  See what you get.
/hint:  it's 'regularly called up to HR for disciplinary measures because somebody felt 'threatened'
//that's why I pulled an Office Space and went into my current field...
 
2014-01-12 02:10:44 PM  
If this article makes you whiny, then you might be the subject of it. Go enroll in another sensitivity class, or  diversity awareness studies.  For most of us, jezebel is just a slapstickversion of The Onion, except actually funny. Though, I would agree with the premise that simpering androgeny is on the rise (a novel first for me with an article on jezebel). If you don't want a job where you have to "act more like 'socially intelligent' girls", become an engineer.
 
2014-01-12 02:12:07 PM  

gadian: baconbeard: I understand where the author is coming from. When the only men you encounter are the pathetic, pussified gamma males taking the same gender studies courses that you are (or post to the same news aggregator site that you do), it's easy to come to the these conclusions.

WTH is a gamma male?  I thought the hate was on for those pussy Beta dudes who like to hug, let their "partners" have girls' nights out, and actually...talk about how they feel.  Is there a new man-on-man hating division?


A gamma male is a male who is overly concerned with what the the boys think about what he does.

Alfa males don't care
 
2014-01-12 02:18:09 PM  

gadian: I would think men would welcome the opportunity to be a little softer and carry fewer of the traditional burdens.  After all, I know far more men who struggle with not being perceived as manly enough than struggle with being too manly


Holy fark, this. If traditional gender roles demanded I be a violent thug ruled by my sexual desires and only civilized by a rough code of honor and having basically a sex slave at home to rub my feet,  I'd be saying no. Like, why would you  want that? Being who and what  you are, with all the flaws and triumphs that comes with, is way better.
 
2014-01-12 02:22:39 PM  

zepillin: gadian: baconbeard: I understand where the author is coming from. When the only men you encounter are the pathetic, pussified gamma males taking the same gender studies courses that you are (or post to the same news aggregator site that you do), it's easy to come to the these conclusions.

WTH is a gamma male?  I thought the hate was on for those pussy Beta dudes who like to hug, let their "partners" have girls' nights out, and actually...talk about how they feel.  Is there a new man-on-man hating division?

A gamma male is a male who is overly concerned with what the the boys think about what he does.

Alfa males don't care


And beta males are so glad that they are not alphas.
 
2014-01-12 02:24:25 PM  

Goimir: Valiente: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Valiente: rebelyell2006: DanZero:

Whenever I read "cisgender" my mind thinks "Cisalpine Gaul" and I wonder what Julius Caesar has to do with Feminism.

Same here. Too much "Gallic Wars" and Suetonius in my younger days and not enough poorly constructed gender political debates, I guess.

Having said that, I'm looking for a female welder, because all the male ones are busy. I really don't care whether my tradespeople sit down to pee or not, but I've sure noticed that there's a huge shortage of people who can actually do things.

Note that "scribbling for Jezebel" is not "doing things".

Honestly?  Up to you if you want to figure out international whatnot, but Washtenaw Community College in Michigan has historically produced many kickass female (and male) welders.  if it'd qualify as a skilled trade, Toronto's all of a 4ish hour drive away from here.  Been thinking of taking an intro class there just 'cause it'd be fun to learn.

http://www.wccnet.edu/news-events/articles/view/37/

I've bought a welder, a Lincoln MIG Pak 140 suitable for 1/4 inch steel and whatnot, which is more or less all I need (brackets and rebar frameups, etc.) It does gas-shielded and wire and can work off 20 amps, which I can wire up for the garage. I'm pretty sure I can experiment and read my way to a decent, strong bead. I've had to become pretty damn handy with an old house and an old boat.

But I do not have fabrication skills to make aluminum companionway doors and engine bay hatches. So really, I need a fabricator who can weld alu. White sailor problems.

Mig Al is easy. Push the bead, wrap your corners, and penetration doesn't exist. It's all about buildup with aluminum.

It's not as easy as welding bronze with pulsearc, but it's easier than steel mig.


I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks for the encouragement. I think my point (and my point would be in part to avoid thread drift) is that too many boys and girls are dissuaded from shop classes and other "industrial arts" in favour of business degrees. Which is fine if you live in a world where nothing needs fixing or fabrication. But it's a huge mistake: A decent pipe fitter or welder or millwright can still have a job for life, because you can neither "order it from China" fast enough or expect it to be good enough when things need making today.

I find it telling that my metal fabricators are Hungarian and my old welder (now too busy for the likes of me) is Polish: Eastern Europeans remain good at trades because they haven't oursourced their middle class.
 
2014-01-12 02:25:44 PM  

gadian: baconbeard: I understand where the author is coming from. When the only men you encounter are the pathetic, pussified gamma males taking the same gender studies courses that you are (or post to the same news aggregator site that you do), it's easy to come to the these conclusions.

WTH is a gamma male?  I thought the hate was on for those pussy Beta dudes who like to hug, let their "partners" have girls' nights out, and actually...talk about how they feel.  Is there a new man-on-man hating division?


Pretty much, they're splitting increasingly fine hairs to try to pretend there's more shades of grey to being submissive.

/beta, omega, gamma
//sign me up for "lambda"
 
2014-01-12 02:26:24 PM  
content.artofmanliness.com
 
2014-01-12 02:27:10 PM  

grumpfuff: Is this the thread where men argue over what makes a "real man," while ignoring the fact that a "real man" wouldn't give two shiats about other people thinking he's not masculine enough/too masculine?


No one cares what you think. Go away and let the men talk.
 
2014-01-12 02:28:48 PM  

ajgeek: grumpfuff: Is this the thread where men argue over what makes a "real man," while ignoring the fact that a "real man" wouldn't give two shiats about other people thinking he's not masculine enough/too masculine?

No one cares what you think. Go away and let the men talk.


image.spreadshirt.com
 
2014-01-12 02:30:17 PM  

Tatterdemalian: //sign me up for "lambda"


I've got you farkied as "Lambda Lambda Lambda"
/hope you're not too young for that one.
 
2014-01-12 02:32:59 PM  

AbiNormal: [content.artofmanliness.com image 400x500]


And it's all the geldings' fault for their failure, according to Ms. Ryan.

/let the world be destroyed, we don't care
//as long as nobody dares blame us for it, our hands are clean, and that's what matters
 
2014-01-12 02:35:23 PM  

Fubini: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: We need meninism to get us back on par with women.

I'll be on the couch playing video games and being a grown-up kid in the meantime.

You say that sitting on the couch playing video games makes you a grown-up kid, but it's increasingly evident that the kids who sat on a couch playing video games in the 90's are now the ones raking in money doing office jobs and technical work, while all of the manly men football players are unemployed or janitors.


In my experience, the kids who were playing sports in high school and went on to college went on to excel in many fields. The ones who sat around, playing video games and were just so darn sure about how much smarter they were than everyone? Most of them didn't go to college, the ones who did majored in something stupid (film studies was a common one) and work as 25-30 year old theater projectors and retail associates. And they still blame everyone else for their lack of motivation and confidence

/Physical activity isn't a bad thing and teaches plenty
//Video games are fun too
 
2014-01-12 02:36:25 PM  
AbiNormal:

Jesus, they're making men without chests now.

This is worse than I thought.
 
2014-01-12 02:39:54 PM  

wax_on: Oh who gives a shiat. Are the old 'masculine' gender stereotypes even worth saving? Can't we all just get along?


Okay, for serious starsrift in a gender thread (and I love being silly with these threads) - a LOT of men would be comfortable with women in 'masculine' gender roles. Not all guys, but many guys would happily say, "Sure, honey. You bring home the bread, lug all the heavy shiat, do all the house repairs, etc etc" and be perfectly comfortable cooking, cleaning, and taking care of the kids. But very few women will go along with it. Some will, and they're definitely keepers. But most female feminists, even, they don't want to do that shiat. They're actually fine with gender roles. They just want some goddamn respect and not to be looked down on. They don't want to have 'interrupted' or 'stalled' careers because they dared to have a baby. And those are all good things to want, and women should have those things.
But what they don't actually want, is to do all the shiat that men do, and take the bad along with all the good.

So it's actually perfectly appropriate that this is a discussion on Jezebel.
 
2014-01-12 02:40:19 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: AbiNormal:

Jesus, they're making men without chests now.

This is worse than I thought.


This all started when men began waxing their chest hair.
 
2014-01-12 02:44:45 PM  
Smart people don't have to work physical jobs.
 
2014-01-12 02:46:35 PM  
I can hide a dead body.
 
2014-01-12 02:50:37 PM  
We are to blame? There is only so much brow-beating we can take for being male. It wasn't OUR fault we were born male.

So sorry for not being born weak and catty.


/raised in a house full of women
//didn't stand a chance
///told daily the evil men caused
 
2014-01-12 02:51:10 PM  
Jezebel.com hating everything not Lena Dunham since 2008....

Isn't Jezebel the site that wants to tell me to shut my whore mouth on any issue regarding women because I have a pair of testicles and are thus wholly unqualified to have an opinion? And yet they have an article on the death of men.....

Jezebel reminds me of Breitbart.com except replace old angry white men with young angry multi-cultural women....
 
2014-01-12 02:56:29 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: AbiNormal:

Jesus, they're making men without chests now.

This is worse than I thought.

This all started when men began waxing their chest hair.



i.imgur.com
Try 40 years prior... this is the end result.
 
2014-01-12 02:56:45 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: AbiNormal:

Jesus, they're making men without chests now.

This is worse than I thought.

This all started when men began waxing their chest hair.


There needs to be a Dove advertising campaign to promote chest hair beauty.
 
2014-01-12 02:57:27 PM  
I'm getting a kick outta the "article" and this thread. I spent most of yesterday swinging an axe, splitting firewood, and woke up this morning with a sore chest. I was feeling a bit like a nancy boy for needing some aspirin, but after reading all this, I'm over it. I'm gonna enjoy a beer and finish butchering the wild hog I harvested yesterday evening, then go lay out some onion sets and maybe decide what annuals to seed into my front porch planters. Do what makes you happy, people.
 
2014-01-12 03:00:14 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: AbiNormal:

Jesus, they're making men without chests now.

This is worse than I thought.

This all started when men began waxing their chest hair.

There needs to be a Dove advertising campaign to promote chest hair beauty.


I don't want get naked with some guy that is so hairy he looks like he is always wearing a sweater, but men should look like men.

/middle aged
 
2014-01-12 03:01:20 PM  

studebaker hoch: Smart people don't have to work physical jobs.


You never had to stand through a 4 hour brain surgery, stress out over the details of a billion dollar deal making it through all of the hurdles, do a million situps and pushups to be in shape for a movie, etc.  Many of the highest paying jobs have some physical aspect to them, if even extreme mental focus (the brain is part of the body).  Most people would benefit from some hard labor in their life just to learn real work ethic.

As for Jezebel's article, she seems awfully pissed off that there are not enough of us manly men left to sweep her off her feet, put her in her place and fark her brains out daily, IMO.  She'd be allot happier if she'd stop picking effeminate men for boyfriends - as would all straight women.
 
2014-01-12 03:01:24 PM  

studebaker hoch: Smart people don't have to work physical jobs.


Buy a house.  Supercomputers are my day job.  But  I spent the festivus break installing timed outdoor lighting (rural house without street lighting), cleaning the intake vents in the basement furnace, cutting finishing and installing a new closet shelf, and putting up a dog run for a 25lb puppy that's stronger than I am and ripped the last one out of the metal anchors.The females in the household painted the bedroom (the same one with the redone woodwork), and cooked wonderful healthy organic meals.  Considering my bachelor "cooking" at home, it was a good trade.
 
2014-01-12 03:01:57 PM  
I don't think I've rolled my eyes so much since I saw a headline here on Fark suggesting they now consider men to be obsolete.

Also:

MechaPyx: And the men just smile and nod and go back to being men confident in themselves and their ability to find a place in this world.

This.

*pats author on the head*


Ayuh.
 
2014-01-12 03:07:05 PM  

FarkQued: studebaker hoch: Smart people don't have to work physical jobs.

You never had to stand through a 4 hour brain surgery, stress out over the details of a billion dollar deal making it through all of the hurdles, do a million situps and pushups to be in shape for a movie, etc.  Many of the highest paying jobs have some physical aspect to them, if even extreme mental focus (the brain is part of the body).  Most people would benefit from some hard labor in their life just to learn real work ethic.

As for Jezebel's article, she seems awfully pissed off that there are not enough of us manly men left to sweep her off her feet, put her in her place and fark her brains out daily, IMO.  She'd be allot happier if she'd stop picking effeminate men for boyfriends - as would all straight women.


Women don't want men. They want women with penises.
 
2014-01-12 03:10:35 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: AbiNormal:

Jesus, they're making men without chests now.

This is worse than I thought.

This all started when men began waxing their chest hair.

There needs to be a Dove advertising campaign to promote chest hair beauty.

I don't want get naked with some guy that is so hairy he looks like he is always wearing a sweater, but men should look like men.

/middle aged


That's awfully sexist and objectifying. Men should be whatever they want to be, free from oppressive cultural norms and stereotypes forced on them from their peers and the media.
 
2014-01-12 03:10:42 PM  

JoieD'Zen: men should look like men.


men have facial hair

boy's do not
 
2014-01-12 03:18:38 PM  
The GOP
 
2014-01-12 03:19:15 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Nick Nostril ,
We've evolved past the need for violence. Just ask any of the nancies. People are only violent today because guns.

To me the irony is guns are not violent. Killing is violent, but that is just part of the gradual move toward hitting button from farther and farther away. In a hundred years people may be firing lasers from orbit. You don't have to have a violent impulse to kill someone with a gun.

If you want to see real violence, take a look at a a mace, a warhammer, even an aluminium bat.


You have an sadly simple-minded definition of violence.
 
2014-01-12 03:20:31 PM  
cdn-www.i-am-bored.com
 
2014-01-12 03:21:44 PM  

zepillin: JoieD'Zen: men should look like men.

men have facial hair

boy's do not


www-tc.pbs.org

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
 
2014-01-12 03:22:07 PM  

Lernaeus: Jezebel: proof that all problems look like nails if you're a hammer

 nail polish.
 
2014-01-12 03:22:52 PM  
JoieD'Zen:
I don't want get naked with some guy that is so hairy he looks like he is always wearing a sweater, but men should look like men.

/middle aged


Well, I'm close.  I just need to find a woman with some kind of satyr fetish.

/Wookie from the navel down.
 
2014-01-12 03:26:06 PM  
Isn't the idea of modern life that everyone should be whatever they want? We ("applaud" is the wrong word, but) accept when people want to do things like decide to change their gender or decide to defy expectation not fall into traditional roles in more subtle ways.

I suspect the older incarnations of masculinity will never go away. Some men will always want to look like Arnold while others will proudly order froo-froo drinks at bars. Some will do both. Neither is wrong, so why should we care? Everybody just does their own thing.

/missing the point?
//maybe
 
2014-01-12 03:28:42 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: AbiNormal:

Jesus, they're making men without chests now.

This is worse than I thought.

This all started when men began waxing their chest hair.

There needs to be a Dove advertising campaign to promote chest hair beauty.

I don't want get naked with some guy that is so hairy he looks like he is always wearing a sweater, but men should look like men.

/middle aged

That's awfully sexist and objectifying. Men should be whatever they want to be, free from oppressive cultural norms and stereotypes forced on them from their peers and the media.


You sound waxed, with skinny girl arms..
 
2014-01-12 03:30:31 PM  

Underwater Bystander: Isn't the idea of modern life that everyone should be whatever they want? We ("applaud" is the wrong word, but) accept when people want to do things like decide to change their gender or decide to defy expectation not fall into traditional roles in more subtle ways.

I suspect the older incarnations of masculinity will never go away. Some men will always want to look like Arnold while others will proudly order froo-froo drinks at bars. Some will do both. Neither is wrong, so why should we care? Everybody just does their own thing.

/missing the point?
//maybe


That's the ultimate end game. Until then we get to laugh at Jezebel bending over backwards to say that women should feel that way, but men are somehow a different species wherein those rules don't apply because reasons.
 
2014-01-12 03:30:40 PM  

Death Whisper: [cdn-www.i-am-bored.com image 700x685]


Fark needs a "Sad" button to push.
 
2014-01-12 03:31:02 PM  
mike_d85
Enemabag Jones: Nick Nostril ,
We've evolved past the need for violence. Just ask any of the nancies. People are only violent today because guns.
To me the irony is guns are not violent. Killing is violent, but that is just part of the gradual move toward hitting button from farther and farther away. In a hundred years people may be firing lasers from orbit. You don't have to have a violent impulse to kill someone with a gun.
If you want to see real violence, take a look at a a mace, a warhammer, even an aluminium bat.
You have an sadly simple-minded definition of violence.


Tell me more. What does violence mean to you?
 
2014-01-12 03:33:01 PM  
Actually, I never considered it the 'feminization of the male' but more like 'civilizing the guys'.

As a kid, I knew that, in a marriage, the guys had all the power. (1950s through the 60s.) They handled the finances, held the job, bought the cars and had most of the rights. The 'little lady' often didn't even know how to fill out a check, received and allowance from her husband, which was to be used for the home and spent most of her time cleaning, cooking and reading magazines on how to look good when weary hubby came home from a hard days work.

Married guys also, by law, could beat their wife into nearly a coma and the cops wouldn't do much. They also could beat their kids within an inch of their lives and there was no DCF to step in.

I dimly recall a period where young women felt their guys didn't care enough for them unless they occasionally got into a bloody fist fight with some other guy who impinged their honor. Plus, girls seemed to get all steamed up when their guy punched the krap out of another guy for almost any reason.

A little clue might have keyed women in: over the centuries men were responsible for 99.99% of the wars, including those that were nearly global. They also developed and used some of the most ghastly tortures ever known.

Almost since the first actually organized business began, men were finding ways to monopolize, fix prices, wipe out the competition (usually by just shooting them but when pesky laws got in the way, by creating convoluted and devious legal schemes to shut them down.)

Remember the famous Christmas movie 'It's a Wonderful Life'? Well, the rival banker accidentally got hold of the smaller banks deposits, which started the financial crisis that drove the plot. In the end, everything worked out well -- but the powerful banker never returned the original money and no one ever found out he had it in the first place.

In school, I well knew of the spot behind the gym where guys beat the krap out of each other. However, they did have rules: knock a guy down and you gave him time to get up, your friends stayed out of the fight even if you were getting beaten, no kicking, no weapons, eye gouging was frowned upon. Usually the strongest kid won, mainly because he had been getting into fights since he was 6 and found that his strength, plus his ability to fight enabled him to force his way on others.

Later, the simple fist fight would decline into the mass stomp, with the aggressor's buddies jumping in the wale on a single guy, kicking the krap out of a downed kid, especially in the head and ribs, rose from unacceptable to routine and stomping them in the face was considered good form.

By the late 70s, men were more ready to pull weapons on each other for a simple dispute. Famous Country singers sang hit songs about bar fights, getting their teeth knocked out and smacking their rivals with anything that came to hand from pool cues to table legs.

Society changed. DCF appeared. Lawyers started coining new laws. Punching a guy in the mouth in a bar because he pi$$ed you off could now get you in jail, sued, convicted of assault and you might wind up having to pay several thousand dollars pain and suffering along with mental distress caused to the looser by your actions.

Business tactics changed as all sorts of Rights popped up. Unions stepped in. You couldn't force a worker to use a dangerous, limb smashing piece of machinery anymore or loose his job. Even the military found out you couldn't humiliate and berate a soldier. (That time honored practice of punishing an entire barracks for the offense of one recruit, which naturally pi$$ed off the other guys towards him had to be reigned in due to civil rights and a ton of other legalities.)

Employees of a store who charged after a robber and kind of roughed him up discovered that they could wind up being sued for using 'undue' force. Then, their employer could be sued because they worked for him.

A thief could actually make more money than the actual theft would have netted him.

I'm not going to go into the host of assorted and stupid reasons why men, in the past and present, as leaders managed to get millions killed in wars lasting decades just because someone in power got pi$$ed at someone else in power.

Even today, you can see the political dick wagging between the politicians of assorted nations.

So, you toss in our 'new technology', which has had implications further reaching than anyone expected, a ton of lawmakers, who seem to need to justify their jobs by making often stupid laws and a massive population of lawyers, ready to sue over anything at any time followed by bastardization of the news media and dozens of poorly thought out sexual offender laws.

John Wayne and Lee Marvin would find their characters of the old west pretty well ham strung today. (Try walking around with that well used handgun strapped rakishly low on your hip in the middle of an American city today. You'd probably get shot by the cops.)

So, a dichotomy or dual standard has formed.

I've known many a lady who wants a nice guy, smart, peaceful, handsome but when she gets him, she wants him to punch people out like in the old days, he had better know how to build a house from scratch, be ready to smack down any other guy who insults her and be able to switch from $200 sneakers to cowboy boots in a minute. Plus, he needs to be compassionate, understanding, sensitive, should have a soft spot for small animals and needs to be an unforgiving Tiger at work to rake in lots of dough as he berates his employees and fires others.

It's getting a tad confusing for men, who run on testosterone anyhow.
 
2014-01-12 03:36:18 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: AbiNormal:

Jesus, they're making men without chests now.

This is worse than I thought.

This all started when men began waxing their chest hair.

There needs to be a Dove advertising campaign to promote chest hair beauty.

I don't want get naked with some guy that is so hairy he looks like he is always wearing a sweater, but men should look like men.

/middle aged

That's awfully sexist and objectifying. Men should be whatever they want to be, free from oppressive cultural norms and stereotypes forced on them from their peers and the media.

You sound waxed, with skinny girl arms..


I can't even imagine how uncomfortable waxing must be. It has to feel like beard itch all over your body.
 
2014-01-12 03:44:20 PM  
If a woman ever tells you you're not "man enough," kick her out of your life instantly. Those words are highly indicative of a cluster B disorder, and men do not need or have to tolerate that kind of abusive behavior from women. Get them out of your life as soon as possible.
 
2014-01-12 03:47:06 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: JoieD'Zen: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: AbiNormal:

Jesus, they're making men without chests now.

This is worse than I thought.

This all started when men began waxing their chest hair.

There needs to be a Dove advertising campaign to promote chest hair beauty.

I don't want get naked with some guy that is so hairy he looks like he is always wearing a sweater, but men should look like men.

/middle aged

That's awfully sexist and objectifying. Men should be whatever they want to be, free from oppressive cultural norms and stereotypes forced on them from their peers and the media.

You sound waxed, with skinny girl arms..

I can't even imagine how uncomfortable waxing must be. It has to feel like beard itch all over your body.


Probably better than razor-burned balls.
 
2014-01-12 03:51:06 PM  
Death Whisper:

So what you're saying is, we need another World War to bring back manliness?
 
2014-01-12 03:54:54 PM  

starsrift: dared to have a baby


I've seen way too many people that cannot believe the company won't entrust them with unique powers and responsibilities and high pay when they're out for three months of the year for maternity leave, and once/twice a week for 18 years.  Meanwhile there's some guys and chicks that don't want kids that haven't missed a day in five years.
 
2014-01-12 03:56:04 PM  

Hrist: and once/twice a week for 18 years.


I believe that's called the weekend.
 
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