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(Jezebel)   Traditional American masculinity is on its way out, and men have no one to blame but themselves. Men are useless trifecta now in play   (jezebel.com) divider line 247
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2014-01-12 12:51:17 PM
www.funnymemes.com
 
2014-01-12 12:52:53 PM
Here's how it works.

"This is of great urgency and relevance because I just said so and here's a whole bunch of ersatz journalism to back it up!"

No, it isn't.  It's content.  It's thematic filler.  It's a pail of piss as op ed.  It's popcorn stand manifestos for the tagline literate.

And it's not relevant, nor is it journalism, but in a age where there's not a lot of anything of value happening, it's a great way to get a cushy paycheck.  And that's all it is.  And every single clown show with a logo'd blog is swinging on those monkey bars.  Noting much changes in the world of hack sensationalism except it gets less sensational.  And we get more numb.  And some idiot thinks they won something if they respond correctly to somebody else's overwrought sense of self importance.  Meh.
 
2014-01-12 12:53:23 PM

Fubini: walktoanarcade: Some "men" today do look as though they've made it a point to get help to lift any object they ever needed to lift because they are scrawnier than many women.

Really, my muscles aren't huge. but I feel like Schwarzenegger (of the 80s) next to these "guys."

I'll give the article that much and it should serve as a warning to mankind.

It seriously makes me think that there's something in the food or water. I sit at a computer all day, and I have two to three times the natural strength of my wife, who is on her feet all day. I have one female friend who does maintenance work (real maintenance... plumbing, electrical, etc.) and I'm still twice as strong as her, yet we're the same height.

Maybe I lucked out in the genetic lottery? Maybe those guys never eat any kind of protein ever?


It could be the protein thing, sure. It sure seems lots of men today espouse protein-free diets, or shun the best proteins (meats).

Combination of both? Maybe after a generation or so humans mutate owing to a radically disparate microcosm of society, i.e., those pockets are breeding groups with much less sexual dimorphism because like attracts like, in the sense that the Alpha female will gravitate towards to the beta/gamma male and then reinforce their physicalities and personalities.

That's my theory on the spot. Actually, I think it's far more complicated, but maybe my two-bit theory has something to it.
 
2014-01-12 12:55:00 PM
At work. It's fun to see all the women make themselves scarce when it's time to unload the semi.
 
2014-01-12 12:55:25 PM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: rebelyell2006: DanZero:

Whenever I read "cisgender" my mind thinks "Cisalpine Gaul" and I wonder what Julius Caesar has to do with Feminism.

And when the Transgendered Gauls rushed into battle nekkid, you can bet the Roman legionnairies raised a few eyebrows.


I guess that would explain the sack of Rome in 390 BCE.
 
2014-01-12 12:56:07 PM

rohar: cryinoutloud: What i hate now is that if I want to ask someone advice about my car, I have to go find an old guy. The young guys know nothing. Which is OK, since I'm an old gal, but why can't I have a scenario like this ever?

This, I believe, is the problem.  The old social constructs are gone within the male community.  It has nothing to do with women and how men interact with them directly.

Used to be men hung around their families permanently.  Inevitably, you ended up in a situation where dad was home every night, but worked all day.  The retired men stayed home and did hobby stuff because, well, they were retired.  Generally good spirited old farts, but a bit rough around the edges.

Well, dad was gone all day and mom's busy, so what's a young kid gonna do on summer vacation?  Eventually, the young boy and the retired man will meet.  They're in the same neighborhood.  The kid inevitably learns a lot.  Old men who manage to hold a family together for a lifetime know a thing or two.  Next thing you know, the kid's helping fix a carburetor, figuring out how plumbing works, adding electrical circuits etc. because they're things that need to be done.  All the while, that old codger is talking to that kid teaching life lessons on everything from how to handle yourself in public to dating issues.

The old man in the neighborhood is gone today.  The boys have no source of education.

/I miss my "old man in the neighborhood" but we aged and he passed
//I work from home now, not quite that old yet, but there's a random neighbor kid in the shop with me all summer every summer


The old man in the neighborhood is most likely fearful of interacting with a young man and being accused of being a pedophile.
Sad, but true.
 
2014-01-12 12:56:09 PM

rohar: //I work from home now, not quite that old yet, but there's a random neighbor kid in the shop with me all summer every summer


You can get arrested for that.
 
2014-01-12 12:56:41 PM

Fano: rocky_howard: She talks about computers and Internet and how men are useless in American economy, yet 90% of IT workers are male...

In fact, Jezebel, the very people who make your website available to the world are likely men. LOL.

Yes, the cognitive dissonance is deafening, unless she is thinking that working as a secretary= being large and in charge in an office.

I thought there was a big push to try to get women into computer scienceI guess she assumes this is last years news that was already accomplished? i


Her whole point wasn't that there aren't men in IT. Her whole point is that the good jobs today, like IT, are increasingly valuing skills that were more traditionally associated with women.
 
2014-01-12 01:00:00 PM

Enemabag Jones: However it does not help that HR policies are too often tuned to issues of sensitivity and how it makes people feel.


This.  Although I agree with the author that men were mainly responsible for outsourcing, it's schizophrenic to assert a crying need for STEM grads (mostly male), but nevertheless predominantly hire women because women are more likely, but not exclusively, to have greater EQ and SQ levels.  HRs and recruiters are mostly women; that they hire more women than men based on job descriptors usually asking for quantitative skills -- and even hold off on hiring STEM grads until they can find a female STEM grad, even at a higher salary -- is prima facie sexism.

"...jobs available to American workers now are more likely to place a premium on compromise, communication, networking, and other skills women and girls are socialized to value more than men and boys." [article]

It remains to be seen whether upper-income women will use these qualities to reform Capitalism from within.  I doubt this, and say that Capitalism is turning those who could best bring positive change into consumer droids hoping to die with a larger number of luxury shoes and handbags than their girlfriends.

Alison Wolf in the recent book The XX Factor mentions a hard-worked female banker at JP Morgan who does a long and harrowing deal, then goes out and buys an expensive handbag, telling herself (and the author), "I need to buy this to remind myself why I do this".

Such is modern civilization.
 
2014-01-12 01:00:09 PM

wyltoknow: I think it farked up my idea of gender to grow up hearing things like how being a man means being tough, confident, brave, successful, ingenious, yadda yadda. I'm a girl and I think "what? I want to be those things, I want to know useful things and be able to get shiat done." I eschewed anything girly, because that message screamed to me that being a woman meant being weak, helpless, and stupid. I realized my perception was off when I got older, but now I regret not embracing more female things when I was younger and making myself into a more balanced individual.

Do we need to assign gender roles to basic personality traits? Shouldn't we teach all children to express confidence, learn how to fix things and solve problems themselves, to not back down from challenges?


As a girl, it's likely that you were also exposed to the idea that women are precious, and to be protected, and that their feelings are of utmost importance, and that they shouldn't ever feel discomfort.

I think there's a disconnect - girls who were brought up as girls, with that whole 'you are to be protected and no one is to ever make you feel bad or uncomfortable' are becoming feminists and going into the world and finding that their feelings Aren't constantly being protected...  And they think this is somehow because of misogyny, when really it's often that they weren't brought up to actually exist in the world the way men were brought up (stuff your own feelings inside, express them only in extreme circumstances and to a few people who are close to you, and sacrifice your comfort and self for the good of the team).

Girls aren't often yelled at to 'stop whining' or 'stop crying.'  Boys are (and, again, within reason, it's a GOOD thing to be trained up this way if you're going to exist in the world outside of the protected home).

When women get out into the world, they find that they're not protected, and they get all 'OMG you're dismissing my feelings becaue I'm a woman!' when they whine or complain - when guys whine about their feels, some other dude (rightly) tells them to stop being a chickenshiat and slaps them upside the head.

Your mom died?  Okay, let's talk.  Otherwise?  STFU and get back to work.
 
2014-01-12 01:00:12 PM
Jezebel: proof that all problems look like nails if you're a hammer.
 
2014-01-12 01:02:11 PM

belhade: Admittedly I'm a fairly small, skinny guy. And a geeky computer tech to boot. After a day of being emasculated by the wife, I like to go outside and cut firewood to make myself feel better. Running a chainsaw, winging an axe, makes me feel manly. Except I always have the Lumberjack Song running through my head.


I get that song stuck in my head while cutting wood too, but I can never get the chainsaw to sing as well as Jackyl.
 
2014-01-12 01:02:52 PM

rebelyell2006: DanZero:

Whenever I read "cisgender" my mind thinks "Cisalpine Gaul" and I wonder what Julius Caesar has to do with Feminism.


Same here. Too much "Gallic Wars" and Suetonius in my younger days and not enough poorly constructed gender political debates, I guess.

Having said that, I'm looking for a female welder, because all the male ones are busy. I really don't care whether my tradespeople sit down to pee or not, but I've sure noticed that there's a huge shortage of people who can actually do things.

Note that "scribbling for Jezebel" is not "doing things".
 
2014-01-12 01:03:39 PM
These types of articles remind me to thank FSM that I'm not a Fat Chick.
 
2014-01-12 01:07:29 PM

mrlewish: At work. It's fun to see all the women make themselves scarce when it's time to unload the semi.


We get tired of you guys always trying to take the boxes out of our hands, or standing around snickering because we can't lift 100 pounds like YOU can.

Well, congratulations--you're stronger than a typical woman!
 
2014-01-12 01:10:38 PM

cryinoutloud: We get tired of you guys always trying to take the boxes out of our hands, or standing around snickering because we can't lift 100 pounds like YOU can.

Well, congratulations--you're stronger than a typical woman!


Sounds sexist to me.
 
2014-01-12 01:16:04 PM
 This article is nothing more than a broad sweeping statement about over 150,000,000 people in this country. There are men of every level of stupidity and intellect, barvado and timidity, alpha, beta, gamma, and beyond. For every weirdo out there there are hundreds of thousands of other weirdos to associate with.

If somebody says "if you're like X, you'll never get the Y" think real hard of just one exception, and realize that the statement is false.

"you're to fat to get a girl/boyfriend!"
I know two people off of the top of my head who are gigantically overweight, and both of them are married to hotties and have kids/careers.

"You're too girly to get a girlfriend!"
Ira Glass is married.

"You are too terrible in bed to ever find a long term relationship!"
Yea, there are impotent, or even castrated men who find the woman to fall in love with.
I know a woman who doesn't have sex for her own personal psychological issues, who is married to man who apparently doesn't mind.

In my opinion, the folks who write about men or women on a societal level are just a bunch of ninnies who project their own insecurities outwards.
 
2014-01-12 01:16:59 PM

gadian: I would think men would welcome the opportunity to be a little softer and carry fewer of the traditional burdens.  After all, I know far more men who struggle with not being perceived as manly enough than struggle with being too manly


It's almost like the male version of anorexia if you ignore the fact that men actually can and do develop actual anorexia. Body image problems.
 
2014-01-12 01:17:17 PM

Valiente: rebelyell2006: DanZero:

Whenever I read "cisgender" my mind thinks "Cisalpine Gaul" and I wonder what Julius Caesar has to do with Feminism.

Same here. Too much "Gallic Wars" and Suetonius in my younger days and not enough poorly constructed gender political debates, I guess.

Having said that, I'm looking for a female welder, because all the male ones are busy. I really don't care whether my tradespeople sit down to pee or not, but I've sure noticed that there's a huge shortage of people who can actually do things.

Note that "scribbling for Jezebel" is not "doing things".


Honestly?  Up to you if you want to figure out international whatnot, but Washtenaw Community College in Michigan has historically produced many kickass female (and male) welders.  if it'd qualify as a skilled trade, Toronto's all of a 4ish hour drive away from here.  Been thinking of taking an intro class there just 'cause it'd be fun to learn.

http://www.wccnet.edu/news-events/articles/view/37/
 
2014-01-12 01:18:16 PM

Rapmaster2000: These threads are lamer than Jezebel.


This.
 
2014-01-12 01:20:35 PM

jennyz: Yankees Team Gynecologist: jennyz: And we wonder why more and more marriages are sexless and end in divorce....

Manly men are attractive, dammit.

Traditional, manly epitome of a vibrant and flourishing marriage:

[static.getkempt.com image 217x274]

Strawman argument, on Fark? I'm shocked.


No, you can be sure that plenty of fembloggers who rant about men having John Wayne/Rambo perceptions love to watch Mad Men, James Bond films or The Last of the Mohicans alone in a dimly-lit room.
 
2014-01-12 01:24:27 PM
As long as he dicks me down -and does it well- on a regular basis, I don't give a shiat if he manly-man beats on things with a hammer all day or wears lacy underwear.
 
2014-01-12 01:24:42 PM
I guess it is difficult to be a woman, these days.  The men who excite them, scare them, the ones they can tame and control bore the piss out of them, and they're up to their gazoinkies in OTHER WOMEN telling them what they should have and want and why.  Most of whom are just trying to you that the one person who should be your best friend is an oppressive, useless patriarchal prick who is holding you DOWN, honey!  Then again, anybody over the age of 18 should have SOME ability to think for themselves, yanno?
 
2014-01-12 01:24:57 PM

Dedmon: In my opinion, the folks who write about men or women on a societal level are just a bunch of ninnies who project their own insecurities outwards.


Yeah...

The My Little Pony Killer: Rapmaster2000: These threads are lamer than Jezebel.

This.


Yeah.

cryinoutloud: mrlewish: At work. It's fun to see all the women make themselves scarce when it's time to unload the semi.

We get tired of you guys always trying to take the boxes out of our hands, or standing around snickering because we can't lift 100 pounds like YOU can.

Well, congratulations--you're stronger than a typical woman!


[golf clap]

I can haul 55 lb bags like no one's business, and can lift a 125 lb container if need be as well.  However, I don't have a insatiable need to show off and like not overtaxing my body if I don't have to, so I'll lift smartly.
 
2014-01-12 01:26:21 PM
Can we please just blame homosexuals for this, since they're apparently the cause of every other problem, and move on with it?
 
2014-01-12 01:26:47 PM
trying to tell you
 
2014-01-12 01:27:35 PM
I am employed and need to buy a bow tie, so I'm getting a real kick out of these replies.

/It's for a wedding.
//I refuse the short sleeves.
///Refuse.
 
2014-01-12 01:28:07 PM
Meanwhile, as apparent in this thread and on Jezebel, we all continue to be divided and conquered by those who wield the true power in the United States: the people with all the money.
 
2014-01-12 01:29:37 PM

Kanemano: [www.funnymemes.com image 600x600]


intradayfun.com
 
2014-01-12 01:29:50 PM

Solutare: Meanwhile, as apparent in this thread and on Jezebel, we all continue to be divided and conquered by those who wield the true power in the United States: the people with all the money.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-12 01:35:39 PM
Is this the thread where men argue over what makes a "real man," while ignoring the fact that a "real man" wouldn't give two shiats about other people thinking he's not masculine enough/too masculine?
 
2014-01-12 01:35:47 PM
charmbomb,
Kanemano: [www.funnymemes.com image 600x600]


That is the weirdest thing I have seen on the internet for at least a year.
 
2014-01-12 01:38:57 PM

charmbomb: As long as he dicks me down -and does it well- on a regular basis, I don't give a shiat if he manly-man beats on things with a hammer all day or wears lacy underwear.


I can set a sign 80' in the air and handfeed baby birds the size of a quarter.

How you doin'?
 
2014-01-12 01:38:59 PM

bunner: I guess it is difficult to be a woman, these days.  The men who excite them, scare them, the ones they can tame and control bore the piss out of them, and they're up to their gazoinkies in OTHER WOMEN telling them what they should have and want and why.  Most of whom are just trying to you that the one person who should be your best friend is an oppressive, useless patriarchal prick who is holding you DOWN, honey!  Then again, anybody over the age of 18 should have SOME ability to think for themselves, yanno?


You skipped over how women tell women to look like.
It's biatchiness, all the way down.
 
2014-01-12 01:39:18 PM

grumpfuff: Is this the thread where men argue over what makes a "real man," while ignoring the fact that a "real man" wouldn't give two shiats about other people thinking he's not masculine enough/too masculine?


Maybe. I don't know. I don't give a shiat.
 
2014-01-12 01:40:47 PM
A real hot guy pumping me hard and rough, all sweaty and naked, will never be obsolete or useless to me.
 
2014-01-12 01:41:05 PM

Richard C Stanford: Ok, from now on can we refer to Jezebel as "BibleSlut.com"?
/I can't believe they were actually applauding the "death" of manliness!
//Well, actually I can, considering they seem obsessed with "the patriarchy" and seem to have a love/hate relationship with the male gender.
///Christ, we need to start toughening up our kids! Of both genders! If we actually have a real war, we can't be stopping ever ten minutes because someone has a boo-boo or wants to discuss their feelings.


We've evolved past the need for violence. Just ask any of the nancies. People are only violent today because guns.
 
2014-01-12 01:44:09 PM
Speaking of masculinity.


/was too big, didn't care enough to resize
 
2014-01-12 01:45:25 PM

Gentoolive: The sissification of men started long ago. Do you notice in old black and white tv programs the father figure is a standup, respected leader of the household.

Nowadays the father figure is the brunt of any joke on television programs.


The question is: Have people been conditioned to like this change or is it what they wanted all along? Because if it wasn't what people want to watch, it wouldn't be on the boob tube.
 
2014-01-12 01:47:27 PM
Nick Nostril ,
We've evolved past the need for violence. Just ask any of the nancies. People are only violent today because guns.


To me the irony is guns are not violent. Killing is violent, but that is just part of the gradual move toward hitting button from farther and farther away. In a hundred years people may be firing lasers from orbit. You don't have to have a violent impulse to kill someone with a gun.

If you want to see real violence, take a look at a a mace, a warhammer, even an aluminium bat.
 
2014-01-12 01:47:41 PM

rebelyell2006: BolshyGreatYarblocks: rebelyell2006: DanZero:

Whenever I read "cisgender" my mind thinks "Cisalpine Gaul" and I wonder what Julius Caesar has to do with Feminism.

And when the Transgendered Gauls rushed into battle nekkid, you can bet the Roman legionnairies raised a few eyebrows.

I guess that would explain the sack of Rome in 390 BCE.


I thought Cincinnatus was the sack of Rome.
 
2014-01-12 01:47:57 PM
Oh who gives a shiat. Are the old 'masculine' gender stereotypes even worth saving? Can't we all just get along?
 
2014-01-12 01:48:15 PM

JoieD'Zen: ultraholland: TFA: we need to blame... men.

This is every Jezebel article.

I read a Jezebel article recently that interviewed Camille Paglia. She and her partner have n 11 year old son. She claims society is stripping men of masculine traits, starting in childhood. She has some good points.


Yes, but by "society" they meant "men", right? I've yet to read an article on Jezebel where everything isn't men's fault. Women's problems, men's problems... all men's fault, always. In fact, according to Jezebel, women evidently aren't able to accomplish a damn thing.
 
2014-01-12 01:49:23 PM

gajillion: Yes, but by "society" they meant "men", right? I've yet to read an article on Jezebel where everything isn't men's fault. Women's problems, men's problems... all men's fault, always. In fact, according to Jezebel, women evidently aren't able to accomplish a damn thing.


I would imagine that's because you only read the sensationalist ones that get linked on Fark.

If you actually click around their site, they have plenty of other stuff.
 
2014-01-12 01:55:11 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Valiente: rebelyell2006: DanZero:

Whenever I read "cisgender" my mind thinks "Cisalpine Gaul" and I wonder what Julius Caesar has to do with Feminism.

Same here. Too much "Gallic Wars" and Suetonius in my younger days and not enough poorly constructed gender political debates, I guess.

Having said that, I'm looking for a female welder, because all the male ones are busy. I really don't care whether my tradespeople sit down to pee or not, but I've sure noticed that there's a huge shortage of people who can actually do things.

Note that "scribbling for Jezebel" is not "doing things".

Honestly?  Up to you if you want to figure out international whatnot, but Washtenaw Community College in Michigan has historically produced many kickass female (and male) welders.  if it'd qualify as a skilled trade, Toronto's all of a 4ish hour drive away from here.  Been thinking of taking an intro class there just 'cause it'd be fun to learn.

http://www.wccnet.edu/news-events/articles/view/37/


I've bought a welder, a Lincoln MIG Pak 140 suitable for 1/4 inch steel and whatnot, which is more or less all I need (brackets and rebar frameups, etc.) It does gas-shielded and wire and can work off 20 amps, which I can wire up for the garage. I'm pretty sure I can experiment and read my way to a decent, strong bead. I've had to become pretty damn handy with an old house and an old boat.

But I do not have fabrication skills to make aluminum companionway doors and engine bay hatches. So really, I need a fabricator who can weld alu. White sailor problems.
 
2014-01-12 01:58:58 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I'm not so feminist that I want to take out my own trash, crawl under the house to do repairs, or lift heavy things. I am willing to trade dinner making, dishes washing, and grocery shopping for these things.


Funny thing is that, as a guy, I do all of the above. I make dinner, wash the pots, do the shopping AND I lift heavy things, take out he trash, and kill spiders.  (we live in an apartment, so no crawling under the building to fix pipes).

OTOH, Mrs. Impotence has the 9-5 office job where she plays passive-agressive office politics all day and deals with idiots and raises money...  but her job also brings in much more steady income than mine (I'm self employed) and an amazing benefits package.  So I'd call it a fair division of labor.  I do the physical heavy lifting, she does what she is good at.

It woks, and I'd hardly call myself 'obsolete'
 
2014-01-12 01:59:19 PM

cryinoutloud: Oh Jezebel. Your source for manufactured outrage, step right up.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Homo sapiens: the first species to DESERVE extinction

Very true. So true, it's truly true.


You go first...
 
2014-01-12 02:01:54 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I'm not so feminist that I want to take out my own trash, crawl under the house to do repairs, or lift heavy things. I am willing to trade dinner making, dishes washing, and grocery shopping for these things.


Wait... I do all of that, and am a married man. What the hell does my wife do, exactly?

Actually, she's supermom.

/ and I get regular sex, so there's that
//which is nice
 
2014-01-12 02:04:19 PM

Valiente: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Valiente: rebelyell2006: DanZero:

Whenever I read "cisgender" my mind thinks "Cisalpine Gaul" and I wonder what Julius Caesar has to do with Feminism.

Same here. Too much "Gallic Wars" and Suetonius in my younger days and not enough poorly constructed gender political debates, I guess.

Having said that, I'm looking for a female welder, because all the male ones are busy. I really don't care whether my tradespeople sit down to pee or not, but I've sure noticed that there's a huge shortage of people who can actually do things.

Note that "scribbling for Jezebel" is not "doing things".

Honestly?  Up to you if you want to figure out international whatnot, but Washtenaw Community College in Michigan has historically produced many kickass female (and male) welders.  if it'd qualify as a skilled trade, Toronto's all of a 4ish hour drive away from here.  Been thinking of taking an intro class there just 'cause it'd be fun to learn.

http://www.wccnet.edu/news-events/articles/view/37/

I've bought a welder, a Lincoln MIG Pak 140 suitable for 1/4 inch steel and whatnot, which is more or less all I need (brackets and rebar frameups, etc.) It does gas-shielded and wire and can work off 20 amps, which I can wire up for the garage. I'm pretty sure I can experiment and read my way to a decent, strong bead. I've had to become pretty damn handy with an old house and an old boat.

But I do not have fabrication skills to make aluminum companionway doors and engine bay hatches. So really, I need a fabricator who can weld alu. White sailor problems.


Mig Al is easy. Push the bead, wrap your corners, and penetration doesn't exist. It's all about buildup with aluminum.

It's not as easy as welding bronze with pulsearc, but it's easier than steel mig.
 
2014-01-12 02:06:21 PM
JDZ: The old man in the neighborhood is most likely fearful of interacting with a young man and being accused of being a pedophile.
Sad, but true.


This. The little town I'm retiring to has a nifty little school up the hill from me. I've always thought it would be really cool to be kindly old mark12A, the part time science/math teacher there, but the legal environment today is just too damm scarey..

/real men foxhunt
 
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