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(Jezebel)   Traditional American masculinity is on its way out, and men have no one to blame but themselves. Men are useless trifecta now in play   (jezebel.com ) divider line
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2014-01-12 12:06:53 PM  
Oh Jezebel. Your source for manufactured outrage, step right up.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Homo sapiens: the first species to DESERVE extinction


Very true. So true, it's truly true.
 
2014-01-12 12:07:56 PM  
Go smoke a cigar and drink some rye whiskey... Quit being sad and unremarkable.  Quit blaming everything in the world and just be a farking man.
 
2014-01-12 12:08:21 PM  

baconbeard: I understand where the author is coming from. When the only men you encounter are the pathetic, pussified gamma males taking the same gender studies courses that you are (or post to the same news aggregator site that you do), it's easy to come to the these conclusions.


WTH is a gamma male?  I thought the hate was on for those pussy Beta dudes who like to hug, let their "partners" have girls' nights out, and actually...talk about how they feel.  Is there a new man-on-man hating division?
 
2014-01-12 12:09:40 PM  
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2014-01-12 12:09:49 PM  

jennyz: And we wonder why more and more marriages are sexless and end in divorce....

Manly men are attractive, dammit.


Traditional, manly epitome of a vibrant and flourishing marriage:

static.getkempt.com
 
2014-01-12 12:09:49 PM  
She talks about computers and Internet and how men are useless in American economy, yet 90% of IT workers are male...

In fact, Jezebel, the very people who make your website available to the world are likely men. LOL.
 
2014-01-12 12:09:50 PM  

baconbeard: I understand where the author is coming from. When the only men you encounter are the pathetic, pussified gamma males taking the same gender studies courses that you are (or post to the same news aggregator site that you do), it's easy to come to the these conclusions.


As a 34 year old single male with no children, what else am I going to do with my time? I just finished Assassin's Creed 4 and /b/ gets extremely repetitive at times.
 
2014-01-12 12:10:36 PM  

bunner: You don't have to pull a gun on people to steal from them.  Just keep them hating each other 24/7 while you pick their pockets.


American Government and Politics: 101.
 
2014-01-12 12:11:38 PM  
Some "men" today do look as though they've made it a point to get help to lift any object they ever needed to lift because they are scrawnier than many women.

Really, my muscles aren't huge. but I feel like Schwarzenegger (of the 80s) next to these "guys."

I'll give the article that much and it should serve as a warning to mankind.
 
2014-01-12 12:12:22 PM  

gadian: baconbeard: I understand where the author is coming from. When the only men you encounter are the pathetic, pussified gamma males taking the same gender studies courses that you are (or post to the same news aggregator site that you do), it's easy to come to the these conclusions.

WTH is a gamma male?  I thought the hate was on for those pussy Beta dudes who like to hug, let their "partners" have girls' nights out, and actually...talk about how they feel.  Is there a new man-on-man hating division?


A gamma male is a self-hating beta male... Or a Brony.
 
2014-01-12 12:12:38 PM  
Real men laugh at the pathetic attempt at guilting the male.

Now, STFU, it sammich time.
 
2014-01-12 12:13:29 PM  

MechaPyx: And the men just smile and nod and go back to being men confident in themselves and their ability to find a place in this world.


This.

*pats author on the head*
 
2014-01-12 12:13:57 PM  

Snarfangel: FriarReb98: I blame hipsters.


I blamed hipsters before it was cool. But only the indy ones, you probably haven't heard of them.


I don't blame hipsters for this, I impute it to them.  It's a less confrontational variant of blame that you probably haven't heard of.
 
2014-01-12 12:14:09 PM  
I remember when these harpies were screaming at men to get in touch with their feminine side.
 
2014-01-12 12:14:22 PM  

bunner: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder about your underwear, though

Commando.



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"Is that a pistol in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me? What, it really is a pistol? Way to ruin the mood, Arnie."
 
2014-01-12 12:15:37 PM  

baconbeard: A gamma male is a self-hating beta male... Or a Brony.


So, to translate into woman speak, a fat chick who hates herself for eating, but hides food in her purse and pretends that she was 300 lbs at the doctor's because she was wearing her shoes?
 
2014-01-12 12:17:03 PM  

walktoanarcade: Some "men" today do look as though they've made it a point to get help to lift any object they ever needed to lift because they are scrawnier than many women.

Really, my muscles aren't huge. but I feel like Schwarzenegger (of the 80s) next to these "guys."

I'll give the article that much and it should serve as a warning to mankind.


It seriously makes me think that there's something in the food or water. I sit at a computer all day, and I have two to three times the natural strength of my wife, who is on her feet all day. I have one female friend who does maintenance work (real maintenance... plumbing, electrical, etc.) and I'm still twice as strong as her, yet we're the same height.

Maybe I lucked out in the genetic lottery? Maybe those guys never eat any kind of protein ever?
 
2014-01-12 12:17:25 PM  
I don't completely disagree with the article when it talks about how the economy functions.  However it does not help that HR policies are too often tuned to issues of sensitivity and how it makes people feel.  That can be blamed both on men acting sexist when they had the balance of power and HR policies bouncing against past abuse to the other extreme.

But since we are talking about equality here and ultimately the dropping of assumed life roles based on penis or vagina, can we drop the stigma of a man hitting a woman and assuming men pay for first dates?

\Not that I am for a man hitting a woman, but calling it a battery against another person which is just as wrong.
 
2014-01-12 12:17:35 PM  

gadian: baconbeard: I understand where the author is coming from. When the only men you encounter are the pathetic, pussified gamma males taking the same gender studies courses that you are (or post to the same news aggregator site that you do), it's easy to come to the these conclusions.

WTH is a gamma male?  I thought the hate was on for those pussy Beta dudes who like to hug, let their "partners" have girls' nights out, and actually...talk about how they feel.  Is there a new man-on-man hating division?



I'm an omega male. Yeah, ladies, I'm the last man on earth. Time for that date you promised!
 
2014-01-12 12:18:04 PM  

GrizzledVeteran: Dear Abby, March 2013 sometime:  "Old-fashioned romance started dying out in the late 1960s and early '70s. As women became more aggressive, men became more passive."

As to the article: physical strength aside, we've gotta figure out if men (overall) have a better aptitude for physics/engineering-type stuff, or if women simply haven't been "socialized to" choose and excel in those fields.

/has been munching popcorn, watching this unfold, for decades...


Little bit of column A and a bit of B. Men have better sense of visio-spatial awareness which is significant from a young age. This can lead to more aptitude with measurements and such. Women can compensate for this in a short period of time with practice, but most people would rather do what their good at. Working to improve yourself is for suckers. Then there is the potential social anxiety that is rooted in most teachers being women. The hypothesis states that since women have tended to shy away from math they tend to have a greater anxiety towards math and kids pick up on this anxiety. So it's a problem that should be less prevalent in future generations as more women enter engineering fields.

So in short, it's 90% social construct.
 
2014-01-12 12:19:56 PM  
The fun part of these articles is that they contain the assumption that 'men are only good for lifting heavy objects.'

It's true, we're Better for that than women (generally speaking).

But we're also good at lots of stuff women are good at - and better than them at other things besides heavy lifting (generally speaking).

These things we're better at than women [ generally speaking ]  include risk-taking, maintaining focus on one project for a long period of time, math and science, being competitive, not having our emotions and personalities change based upon monthly hormonal cycles, separating the personal and the professional, sustaining longterm friendships, and war.

(to what extent mens superiority [generally speaking] in those areas is because of nature or nurture I am not addressing here)

Pretty sure men will be doing just fine for a long time to come, especially once women realize that a lot of the crap they're dealing with in the working world isn't 'because I'm an oppressed woman' but 'because life is hard.'
 
2014-01-12 12:20:57 PM  
I think it farked up my idea of gender to grow up hearing things like how being a man means being tough, confident, brave, successful, ingenious, yadda yadda. I'm a girl and I think "what? I want to be those things, I want to know useful things and be able to get shiat done." I eschewed anything girly, because that message screamed to me that being a woman meant being weak, helpless, and stupid. I realized my perception was off when I got older, but now I regret not embracing more female things when I was younger and making myself into a more balanced individual.

Do we need to assign gender roles to basic personality traits? Shouldn't we teach all children to express confidence, learn how to fix things and solve problems themselves, to not back down from challenges?
 
2014-01-12 12:21:49 PM  

Fubini: TL;DR, too much henpecking.



The first few sentences caused me to laughter OL.

It's such a troll site that it's brilliant.
 
2014-01-12 12:21:50 PM  
"Traditional American masculinity is on its way out"

If by that you mean men are gaining a greater freedom to express themselves then yes. They don't all have to be cookie cutter replicas of each other. There are still plenty of guys out there that are comfortable being traditionally masculine but not everyone is into that nor should they be forced to. Freedom of expression is a great thing and there's no reason why we can't all do our own thing.
 
2014-01-12 12:23:03 PM  
Balls are a dime a dozen at Walmart
 
2014-01-12 12:24:29 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: jennyz: And we wonder why more and more marriages are sexless and end in divorce....

Manly men are attractive, dammit.

Traditional, manly epitome of a vibrant and flourishing marriage:

[static.getkempt.com image 217x274]


Strawman argument, on Fark? I'm shocked.
 
2014-01-12 12:25:27 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: I'm not so feminist that I want to take out my own trash, crawl under the house to do repairs, or lift heavy things. I am willing to trade dinner making, dishes washing, and grocery shopping for these things.



That doesn't sound half-bad.  I think most people get angry when they want to do everything themselves yet wonder why they are alone, and then resent that and lash out.
 
2014-01-12 12:26:25 PM  

Gentoolive: The sissification of men started long ago. Do you notice in old black and white tv programs the father figure is a standup, respected leader of the household.

Nowadays the father figure is the brunt of any joke on television programs.


The "Father Knows Best" type was the straight example before shows like "Married With Children" and "The Simpsons" came along and subverted the hell out of that trope, to the point that the subversion *is* the trope nowadays.

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Nobody gives a fark about Daddy. Everybody takes Daddy for granted. Just listen to the radio. Everything's ''Mama. Dear Mama. Always loved my Mama.'' What's the Daddy song? Papa was a Rollin' Stone. Nobody gives a fark. Nobody appreciates Daddy.

Now, Mama's got the roughest job. l ain't gonna front. But at least people appreciate Mama. Every time Mama do something right, Mama gets a compliment... 'cause women need to hear compliments all the time. Women need food, water, and compliments. That's right. And an occasional pair of shoes. That's right. Women got to hear it all the time, or they lose their minds.

And get Daddy to make sure you thank your mama for everything. ''Tell your mama how good the food is. Tell her how nice the house looks. ''Tell your mama how nice her hair looks. ''Did you tell your mama? You better go in there and tell your mama.'' That's right! ''Tell your mama.''

Nobody ever tells Daddy shiat. l'm talking about the real daddies that handle their farking business. Nobody ever says, ''Hey, Daddy, thanks for knocking out this rent.'' ''Hey, Daddy, l sure love this hot water.'' ''Hey, Daddy, this is easy to read with all this light.'' Nobody gives a fark about Daddy. l'm talking about a daddy that handles his business. Nobody gives a fark about Daddy. Think about everything that the real daddy does: pay the bills, buy the food, put a farking roof over your head. Everything you could ever ask for. Make your world a better, safer place.

And what does Daddy get for all his work? The big piece of chicken. That's all Daddy gets... is the big piece of chicken. That's right. And some women don't want to give up the big piece of chicken. ''Who the fark is you... ''to keep the big piece of chicken? ''How dare you keep the big piece of chicken!'' A man can't work hours and come home to a wing.
 
2014-01-12 12:26:43 PM  
If you're hanging around every day for your 'daily webinar' you've already failed, male or female.
 
2014-01-12 12:27:14 PM  
 
2014-01-12 12:27:49 PM  
So now "masculinity" = "upper body strength"?

Why is every Jezebel article I read even dumber than the previous one?
 
2014-01-12 12:27:50 PM  

ultraholland: TFA: we need to blame... men.

This is every Jezebel article.


I read a Jezebel article recently that interviewed Camille Paglia. She and her partner have n 11 year old son. She claims society is stripping men of masculine traits, starting in childhood. She has some good points.
 
2014-01-12 12:27:55 PM  

walktoanarcade: Some "men" today do look as though they've made it a point to get help to lift any object they ever needed to lift because they are scrawnier than many women.


What i hate now is that if I want to ask someone advice about my car, I have to go find an old guy. The young guys know nothing. Which is OK, since I'm an old gal, but why can't I have a scenario like this ever?

www.betcheslovethis.com

"Well, ma'am, I think you need a tune-up. A little fine tuning. You gotta grab hold and tighten up a few things, move them around some. On your car, I mean. Your car--GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME!"
 
2014-01-12 12:28:50 PM  

AbiNormal: I remember when these harpies were screaming at men to get in touch with their feminine side.


That was a trap many idiot men fell right into face first.

There's a reason why some women are turning to the butchiest woman they can find. Now, I am not stating that all or even most are that way, but I have been in bars where I've noticed this, and the feminine women turn back to a strong man in an instant over a manish woman if the attraction is there.

No, I am not talking about real lesbians. The ones that are "on the fence" and dating an extremely butch woman on the other hand..

Oh, and of course my previous statements does not apply to true bisexuals, only barsexuals.
 
2014-01-12 12:29:08 PM  

rocky_howard: She talks about computers and Internet and how men are useless in American economy, yet 90% of IT workers are male...

In fact, Jezebel, the very people who make your website available to the world are likely men. LOL.


Yes, the cognitive dissonance is deafening, unless she is thinking that working as a secretary= being large and in charge in an office.

I thought there was a big push to try to get women into computer scienceI guess she assumes this is last years news that was already accomplished? i
 
2014-01-12 12:29:38 PM  
To be fair, "traditional femininity" (e.g. women who aren't morbidly obese) has also gone the way of the dodo bird.
 
2014-01-12 12:32:37 PM  
Admittedly I'm a fairly small, skinny guy. And a geeky computer tech to boot. After a day of being emasculated by the wife, I like to go outside and cut firewood to make myself feel better. Running a chainsaw, winging an axe, makes me feel manly. Except I always have the Lumberjack Song running through my head.
 
2014-01-12 12:33:46 PM  

cryinoutloud: walktoanarcade: Some "men" today do look as though they've made it a point to get help to lift any object they ever needed to lift because they are scrawnier than many women.

What i hate now is that if I want to ask someone advice about my car, I have to go find an old guy. The young guys know nothing. Which is OK, since I'm an old gal, but why can't I have a scenario like this ever?

[www.betcheslovethis.com image 367x600]

"Well, ma'am, I think you need a tune-up. A little fine tuning. You gotta grab hold and tighten up a few things, move them around some. On your car, I mean. Your car--GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME!"


Hell, I'll give you a lube job if you-

what exactly do you consider "young"?
 
2014-01-12 12:34:52 PM  
Never had much truck with Traditional American Masculinity anyways.
 
2014-01-12 12:36:54 PM  

cryinoutloud: walktoanarcade: Some "men" today do look as though they've made it a point to get help to lift any object they ever needed to lift because they are scrawnier than many women.

What i hate now is that if I want to ask someone advice about my car, I have to go find an old guy. The young guys know nothing. Which is OK, since I'm an old gal, but why can't I have a scenario like this ever?

[www.betcheslovethis.com image 367x600]

"Well, ma'am, I think you need a tune-up. A little fine tuning. You gotta grab hold and tighten up a few things, move them around some. On your car, I mean. Your car--GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME!"


I suddenly feel the need for a tuneup.
 
2014-01-12 12:37:36 PM  

cryinoutloud: walktoanarcade: Some "men" today do look as though they've made it a point to get help to lift any object they ever needed to lift because they are scrawnier than many women.

What i hate now is that if I want to ask someone advice about my car, I have to go find an old guy. The young guys know nothing. Which is OK, since I'm an old gal, but why can't I have a scenario like this ever?

[www.betcheslovethis.com image 367x600]

"Well, ma'am, I think you need a tune-up. A little fine tuning. You gotta grab hold and tighten up a few things, move them around some. On your car, I mean. Your car--GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME!"


How the hell is his reflection on the hood of the car?
 
2014-01-12 12:37:56 PM  
It seems to be a race between artificial sperm and sexy fembots in the battle of the sexes.

Ha! Just kidding. Fembots will be first, since men will have an incentive, and tend to be well-represented in science. Artificial sperm will arrive sometime after sandwich-making robots and motorized beer dispensers.
 
2014-01-12 12:37:57 PM  
I'm fine with women who need to swill the "men are stupid, I hate men" look aid.

Not a problem.

Just try not to puke it back up on my shoes.

I don't like beets.  I don't eat them.  This sort of handles the whole thing without any drama.  I do not go around pestering beet farmers about it.
 
2014-01-12 12:40:12 PM  

miss diminutive: How the hell is his reflection on the hood of the car?


www.userlogos.org
 
2014-01-12 12:40:17 PM  

cryinoutloud: What i hate now is that if I want to ask someone advice about my car, I have to go find an old guy. The young guys know nothing. Which is OK, since I'm an old gal, but why can't I have a scenario like this ever?


This, I believe, is the problem.  The old social constructs are gone within the male community.  It has nothing to do with women and how men interact with them directly.

Used to be men hung around their families permanently.  Inevitably, you ended up in a situation where dad was home every night, but worked all day.  The retired men stayed home and did hobby stuff because, well, they were retired.  Generally good spirited old farts, but a bit rough around the edges.

Well, dad was gone all day and mom's busy, so what's a young kid gonna do on summer vacation?  Eventually, the young boy and the retired man will meet.  They're in the same neighborhood.  The kid inevitably learns a lot.  Old men who manage to hold a family together for a lifetime know a thing or two.  Next thing you know, the kid's helping fix a carburetor, figuring out how plumbing works, adding electrical circuits etc. because they're things that need to be done.  All the while, that old codger is talking to that kid teaching life lessons on everything from how to handle yourself in public to dating issues.

The old man in the neighborhood is gone today.  The boys have no source of education.

/I miss my "old man in the neighborhood" but we aged and he passed
//I work from home now, not quite that old yet, but there's a random neighbor kid in the shop with me all summer every summer
 
2014-01-12 12:41:51 PM  

Snarfangel: It seems to be a race between artificial sperm and sexy fembots in the battle of the sexes.

Ha! Just kidding. Fembots will be first, since men will have an incentive, and tend to be well-represented in science. Artificial sperm will arrive sometime after sandwich-making robots and motorized beer dispensers.


There is absolutely no reason to believe we cannot develop an artificial womb.

Then we can all be obsolete. Just robots breeding humans in tubes for no other reason than they've been programmed to do it, and humans wandering off into a wasteland to be unemployed and die.
 
2014-01-12 12:42:30 PM  

rebelyell2006: DanZero:

Whenever I read "cisgender" my mind thinks "Cisalpine Gaul" and I wonder what Julius Caesar has to do with Feminism.


And when the Transgendered Gauls rushed into battle nekkid, you can bet the Roman legionnairies raised a few eyebrows.
 
2014-01-12 12:43:50 PM  
Or you could just not give a fark what other people think of you. Works for me.
 
2014-01-12 12:44:19 PM  

FriarReb98: I blame hipsters.


I blame penis envy.
 
2014-01-12 12:48:30 PM  
Oh, this is a Jezebel article. Move along, women creating nothing of value here.
 
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