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(The Raw Story)   A Texas gun show decided to shut down rather than implement background checks. Wow, that worked even better than expected   (rawstory.com) divider line 196
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2014-01-12 08:25:10 AM  
Todd Beiter, owner of the Saxet Gun Shows, told the Statesman that "it is not really my job to infringe on anyone's rights."

He's right. It isn't.

But it IS his responsibility to ensure that he's selling lethal weapons in a responsible manner. He wouldn't sell one to a minor without a parent present, he wouldn't sell to an angry young man wearing sunglasses and a bandana over his face, and he shouldn't sell to felons and persons with violent backgrounds.
 
2014-01-12 08:45:02 AM  
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2014-01-12 09:40:26 AM  
The article is confusing. First it states all attendees get background checks then goes on to say it only would affect ten percent of sales..... Oh, well, I'm sure another county will take the $114,000.
 
2014-01-12 09:41:52 AM  
I'm okay with this all around
 
2014-01-12 09:42:05 AM  

whistleridge: Todd Beiter, owner of the Saxet Gun Shows, told the Statesman that "it is not really my job to infringe on anyone's rights."

He's right. It isn't.

But it IS his responsibility to ensure that he's selling lethal weapons in a responsible manner. He wouldn't sell one to a minor without a parent present, he wouldn't sell to an angry young man wearing sunglasses and a bandana over his face, and he shouldn't sell to felons and persons with violent backgrounds.




No, he probably would.
 
2014-01-12 09:55:00 AM  
The comments were physically painful to read. Ugh.
 
2014-01-12 10:09:10 AM  
And not a single person was harmed.
 
2014-01-12 10:15:12 AM  

OregonVet: The article is confusing. First it states all attendees get background checks then goes on to say it only would affect ten percent of sales..... Oh, well, I'm sure another county will take the $114,000.


It's the gunshow loophole. All licensed firearms dealers at a gunshow must do background checks on anyone who purchases a gun from them. However, in some states gun shows allow private individuals(not licensed dealers) to set up tables and sell guns from their personal collection. Think of going to a comic-con or a flea market, etc- only with guns. Individuals aren't required to perform background checks on buyers in a "private" transaction. The article is saying these private individual sales constitute only 10% of total sales at the show.
 
2014-01-12 10:23:49 AM  

dugitman: OregonVet: The article is confusing. First it states all attendees get background checks then goes on to say it only would affect ten percent of sales..... Oh, well, I'm sure another county will take the $114,000.

It's the gunshow loophole. All licensed firearms dealers at a gunshow must do background checks on anyone who purchases a gun from them. However, in some states gun shows allow private individuals(not licensed dealers) to set up tables and sell guns from their personal collection. Think of going to a comic-con or a flea market, etc- only with guns. Individuals aren't required to perform background checks on buyers in a "private" transaction. The article is saying these private individual sales constitute only 10% of total sales at the show.


Thanks for clearing that up, 'cos the article was a poorly written POS.
 
2014-01-12 10:52:21 AM  
Well, they won't be able to shoot anybody in self defense is some of the bad guys don't get guns.
 
2014-01-12 10:57:17 AM  
A good guy with a gun show can stop a bad guy with a gun show.
 
2014-01-12 11:01:45 AM  
Gun shows are so lame. Total sausagefests, and there's always, always, at least one booth selling Nazi and Confederate memorabilia. Then you have all the kook organizations, trying to recruit like-minded retards to their farked up causes. Rarely do you even see anything cool or new or interesting. It's like going to the world's worst swap meet.
 
2014-01-12 11:03:22 AM  
When you rent an event on government property, expect a few rules.
 
2014-01-12 11:03:24 AM  
God forbid an ATF agent with a laptop be stationed at the door with "Background Checked" wristbands or something.
 
2014-01-12 11:03:31 AM  
Well, there goes employment for a bunch of poor people because anti gun nuts can't keep their meddlsome noses out of other people's business.

  The comments in this thread prove that point
 
2014-01-12 11:04:20 AM  
All the farks I give.  Look at them.
 
2014-01-12 11:05:23 AM  
I sure do love shootin'. And killin'. And freedom.
 
2014-01-12 11:07:43 AM  
Is this another one of the responsible gun owners/gun salesman I hear so much about?
 
2014-01-12 11:08:09 AM  
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2014-01-12 11:10:05 AM  
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2014-01-12 11:11:12 AM  
When it's a crime for criminals to buy guns then criminals... umm... wait, what?
 
2014-01-12 11:11:37 AM  

LectertheChef: Gun shows are so lame. Total sausagefests, and there's always, always, at least one booth selling Nazi and Confederate memorabilia. Then you have all the kook organizations, trying to recruit like-minded retards to their farked up causes. Rarely do you even see anything cool or new or interesting. It's like going to the world's worst swap meet.


Don't forget the popular hollowed out Bibles they always sell for hiding hand guns.  Nothing like destroying the word of god for weapons storage to show that your a real Christian.
 
2014-01-12 11:12:10 AM  

Savage Belief: Well, there goes employment for a bunch of poor people because anti gun nuts can't keep their meddlsome noses out of other people's business.

  The comments in this thread prove that point


"the county had offered to offset the $114,000 rental cost for the facility by the amount of financial burden the new background check requirement would have created.  "

meddlesome.
 
2014-01-12 11:12:21 AM  
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2014-01-12 11:13:23 AM  
Todd Beiter, owner of the Saxet Gun Shows, told the Statesman that "it is not really my job to infringe on anyone's rights."

He's right. The Eleventysecond Amendment guarantees the rights of criminals and mentally ill Texans to buy as many guns as the want.
Study it out.
 
2014-01-12 11:14:26 AM  

Savage Belief: Well, there goes employment for a bunch of poor people because anti gun nuts can't keep their meddlsome noses out of other people's business.

  The comments in this thread prove that point


Sorry, man. Didn't mean to diss your fetish.
 
2014-01-12 11:15:13 AM  

LectertheChef: Gun shows are so lame. Total sausagefests, and there's always, always, at least one booth selling Nazi and Confederate memorabilia. Then you have all the kook organizations, trying to recruit like-minded retards to their farked up causes. Rarely do you even see anything cool or new or interesting. It's like going to the world's worst swap meet.


Don't forget a booth or two selling 9/11, Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Obama conspiracy theories.  I like guns but Lord do I hate dealing with that level of bullshiat.
 
2014-01-12 11:15:21 AM  
Out of curiosity, in light of the "we want gun owners to be safe and responsible" idea, what's the argument against background checks for all (or in this case "slightly more than before") gun sales?  We hold bars and bartenders responsible when they serve someone too much and they go out and plow into a schoolbus.  Somehow "gee shucks, Constitution says so" doesn't really hold up.  Unless you think it says "Guns for everyone, no restrictions".
 
2014-01-12 11:16:24 AM  

whistleridge: Todd Beiter, owner of the Saxet Gun Shows, told the Statesman that "it is not really my job to infringe on anyone's rights."

He's right. It isn't.

But it IS his responsibility to ensure that he's selling lethal weapons in a responsible manner. He wouldn't sell one to a minor without a parent present, he wouldn't sell to an angry young man wearing sunglasses and a bandana over his face, and he shouldn't sell to felons and persons with violent backgrounds.


The show promoter isn't selling weapons. He's selling space to exhibitors, and they are selling the weapons. In fact, as had been mentioned, most of the people selling firearms at a gun show are licensed dealers who do have to provide background checks.

The "gun show loophole" isn't as simple as it seems, because it's already illegal for an unlicensed individual to act buy and sell firearms for profit. It's also perfectly legal to buy and sell firearms as an individual. What gun show  promoters don't want is a system where joe public can't do something at a gun show that an individual can still legally do through craigslist or a dead tree for sale ad.
 
2014-01-12 11:17:56 AM  
If you can't see to criminals, you lose a very large market share. Why do you hate capitalism?
 
2014-01-12 11:17:57 AM  
So asking 10% of people to follow the same rules as the other 90% of licensed gun dealers is unconstitutional tyranny

Thanks Obama
 
2014-01-12 11:18:53 AM  

LectertheChef: Gun shows are so lame. Total sausagefests, and there's always, always, at least one booth selling Nazi and Confederate memorabilia. Then you have all the kook organizations, trying to recruit like-minded retards to their farked up causes. Rarely do you even see anything cool or new or interesting. It's like going to the world's worst swap meet.


Well, you probably don't like it because you're not walking around with a semi-hard 3" gun-boner like most of the attendees.  The racist thing doesn't remotely surprise me, either.
 
2014-01-12 11:19:13 AM  

GoodyearPimp: Out of curiosity, in light of the "we want gun owners to be safe and responsible" idea, what's the argument against background checks for all (or in this case "slightly more than before") gun sales?


Because the Consitution guarantees the right to Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
 
2014-01-12 11:20:33 AM  
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2014-01-12 11:23:22 AM  

Savage Belief: Well, there goes employment for a bunch of poor people because anti gun nuts can't keep their meddlsome noses out of other people's business.

  The comments in this thread prove that point


 Gun shows in my state have background checks, and I can't remember anyone around here throwing a fit about that requirement.

/ Texas sure sounds like a strange place....
 
2014-01-12 11:26:42 AM  

GoodyearPimp: Out of curiosity, in light of the "we want gun owners to be safe and responsible" idea, what's the argument against background checks for all (or in this case "slightly more than before") gun sales?  We hold bars and bartenders responsible when they serve someone too much and they go out and plow into a schoolbus.  Somehow "gee shucks, Constitution says so" doesn't really hold up.  Unless you think it says "Guns for everyone, no restrictions".


Its usually the way the legislation is written (at least that's why I've been against it recently).

There's been legislation that wants all private gun sales to go through a FFL. While that sounds good on the surface, it adds an additional financial burden on the buyer and seller.

Then the gun control advocates usually try tacking shiatty legislation onto it like AWBs, mag limits, registration, etc.

If the Feds open up the NICS database so private sellers can use it free of charge and get an instant decision, I really have no issue with it. So basically - make it free, make it easy, and don't tack on other legislation to it and you won't see the rampant backlash against it you see today.
 
2014-01-12 11:29:02 AM  
Of course they shut down.  Avoiding background checks is the whole point of "gun shows."
 
2014-01-12 11:32:57 AM  
Dang, where are the responsible law-abiding men with restraining orders going to get their guns now?
 
2014-01-12 11:33:48 AM  

joness0154: So basically - make it free, make it easy, and don't tack on other legislation to it and you won't see the rampant backlash against it you see today.


I just paid $65.00 to register my car and $12.00 to have it inspected.  Oh and later this year my driver's license needs to be renewed.  I think all of that should be free.  And my hunting/fishing combo license should be free also.
 
2014-01-12 11:35:04 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: LectertheChef: Gun shows are so lame. Total sausagefests, and there's always, always, at least one booth selling Nazi and Confederate memorabilia. Then you have all the kook organizations, trying to recruit like-minded retards to their farked up causes. Rarely do you even see anything cool or new or interesting. It's like going to the world's worst swap meet.

Don't forget a booth or two selling 9/11, Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Obama conspiracy theories.  I like guns but Lord do I hate dealing with that level of bullshiat.


I love going to them and wearing my 'the flag for losers since 1865' shirt. That shirt is pretty common from what I've seen on the net. My friend has, god knows where he found it, another shirt that reads:

'The next time you make us kick your a$$ we're gonna cut yer balls off!'

With a southern belle bending over for a union soldier, and a southern boy holding his crotch.

The looks are priceless.
 
2014-01-12 11:38:43 AM  
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2014-01-12 11:39:22 AM  

riverwalk barfly: joness0154: So basically - make it free, make it easy, and don't tack on other legislation to it and you won't see the rampant backlash against it you see today.

I just paid $65.00 to register my car and $12.00 to have it inspected.  Oh and later this year my driver's license needs to be renewed.  I think all of that should be free.  And my hunting/fishing combo license should be free also.


I'm glad to see we're on the same page, then.
 
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2014-01-12 11:44:38 AM  

joness0154: riverwalk barfly: joness0154: So basically - make it free, make it easy, and don't tack on other legislation to it and you won't see the rampant backlash against it you see today.

I just paid $65.00 to register my car and $12.00 to have it inspected.  Oh and later this year my driver's license needs to be renewed.  I think all of that should be free.  And my hunting/fishing combo license should be free also.

I'm glad to see we're on the same page, then.


Moochers.
 
2014-01-12 11:47:52 AM  
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2014-01-12 11:49:17 AM  

joness0154: riverwalk barfly: joness0154: So basically - make it free, make it easy, and don't tack on other legislation to it and you won't see the rampant backlash against it you see today.

I just paid $65.00 to register my car and $12.00 to have it inspected.  Oh and later this year my driver's license needs to be renewed.  I think all of that should be free.  And my hunting/fishing combo license should be free also.

I'm glad to see we're on the same page, then.


Then I'm sure we're on the same page about all the extra taxes needed to pay for this free paperwork then too.
 
2014-01-12 11:51:24 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: joness0154: riverwalk barfly: joness0154: So basically - make it free, make it easy, and don't tack on other legislation to it and you won't see the rampant backlash against it you see today.

I just paid $65.00 to register my car and $12.00 to have it inspected.  Oh and later this year my driver's license needs to be renewed.  I think all of that should be free.  And my hunting/fishing combo license should be free also.

I'm glad to see we're on the same page, then.

Then I'm sure we're on the same page about all the extra taxes needed to pay for this free paperwork then too.


There's 0 paperwork on a NICS check. It's done via phone or internet.
 
2014-01-12 11:52:04 AM  

joness0154: Wolf_Blitzer: joness0154: riverwalk barfly: joness0154: So basically - make it free, make it easy, and don't tack on other legislation to it and you won't see the rampant backlash against it you see today.

I just paid $65.00 to register my car and $12.00 to have it inspected.  Oh and later this year my driver's license needs to be renewed.  I think all of that should be free.  And my hunting/fishing combo license should be free also.

I'm glad to see we're on the same page, then.

Then I'm sure we're on the same page about all the extra taxes needed to pay for this free paperwork then too.

There's 0 paperwork on a NICS check. It's done via phone or internet.


Which obviously doesn't cost money.
 
2014-01-12 11:52:25 AM  
Friend of mine claims he's not a single issue voter, but the vast majority of the time, he's ranting about gun laws in California.

Occasionally he'll comment on stuff, but he also has his head stuck in the BSABSVR, because guns.

I... didn't exactly tear into him about it the other day, but I did tell him that when he starts talking about gun laws I kinda tune it out and just ignore it.
 
2014-01-12 11:54:45 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: joness0154: riverwalk barfly: joness0154: So basically - make it free, make it easy, and don't tack on other legislation to it and you won't see the rampant backlash against it you see today.

I just paid $65.00 to register my car and $12.00 to have it inspected.  Oh and later this year my driver's license needs to be renewed.  I think all of that should be free.  And my hunting/fishing combo license should be free also.

I'm glad to see we're on the same page, then.

Then I'm sure we're on the same page about all the extra taxes needed to pay for this free paperwork then too.


I think poll tax is a better analogy. Driving a car isn't a right. And you already don't need a license to hunt/fish on your own land.
 
2014-01-12 11:56:48 AM  
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