Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Herald Bulletin)   SSDD: Church minister in small, conservative Indiana town fires gay man that was in leadership position. TheTimesTheyAreAChangin: 80% of their congregation QUITS because of it   (heraldbulletin.com) divider line 23
    More: Interesting, SSDD, interpretation of the Bible, United Methodist Church  
•       •       •

11411 clicks; posted to Main » on 11 Jan 2014 at 4:39 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Archived thread
2014-01-11 04:41:50 PM  
4 votes:
Good for them. Hopefully they can get rid of the minister and have their church back.
2014-01-11 05:23:55 PM  
3 votes:
I still don't understand why any gay person would WANT to be a member of a religion that has persecuted, murdered, and attacked gay people throughout history. It seems masochistic, to say the least.

But then, I don't understand how Black people can be Christian either, when it was Christianity that endorsed slavery and allowed slave owners to justify their actions, and the slaves were FORCED to switch to Christian worship because of their owners.

It just seems ridiculous to me that people who were historically and traditionally hurt by Christians would decide to join them.
2014-01-11 04:53:57 PM  
3 votes:

just_intonation: The last time I checked, the Church got to tell you what to do, not the other way around.


You have no idea how protestant churches work, do you?
2014-01-11 08:58:45 PM  
2 votes:

Felgraf: Xanadone: Farking sheep-stealers (as I was taught to call United Methodists -- well, not the farking part.)  I prefer a more democratic (and less homophobic) church, like the United Church of Christ, even though UCC congregations sometimes get away with treating ministers like absolute crap.

Yay, someone else who is aware that the UCC *exists*. (I grew up in a UCC church, and even if my spiritual views have drifted... I'm still very proud of them. The pastor recently got arrested in NC, for protesting the batshiat insanity that the legislature there has become...)

Fubini: UCC churchs are largely open to believe what they want. They can be homophobic if they want. (Though it would be a little incongruous to do so.)

While that was true for a while (Due to the congregationalist nature), most of the homophobes left after he 2005 synod, where the UCC *as a whole* voted to be Open and Affirming, and support gay marriage.

It didn't really make the news, though. I couldn't even get it posted on fark.


The United Church of Canada rocks, and I say this as an atheist. Not only did they have gay ministers and perform same sex marriages, they were intervenors in the court cases and gave testimony to parliamentary committees and helped get it legalized here. They're at the front lines of any social justice cause, and the first place I call if I need, say, host families for Indian social workers in Canada getting traning from HIV service agencies is the United Church congregations. They're good people.
2014-01-11 05:35:38 PM  
2 votes:
Um, the guy wasn't fired, he quit because he felt that the new priest in charge didn't like him, and because he was being made to do actual work associated with the position where apparently he wasn't before.

Again, the new priest didn't do anything specific to even cause him to quit, he just  didn't like him in a demonstrative enough fashion.

This isn't a gay rights thing, it's the usual junior-high-school drama bullshiat you get at small nonprofit anything... and in all frankness the gay guy isn't exactly the sympathetic one in the conflict, he's essentially just being a drama queen because he feels slighted that every social sub-group in the church isn't sucking his cock hard enough.

// Being gay and having a conflict of personality with a religious person doesn't mean you're automatically in the right, sometimes it's still you that's being the entitled little shiat.  Good job killing the sky-fairy club or whatever, Mr. Mean Girl.
2014-01-11 04:50:11 PM  
2 votes:
FTA: "It's almost like he's hijacked the church," David Steele said. "He is completely going against what the church body wants."

The last time I checked, the Church got to tell you what to do, not the other way around.  And that generally applies to all religions -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever.

Now, having said that, I do applaud them for standing up for what they believe is right.
2014-01-11 04:43:59 PM  
2 votes:
good for them.
2014-01-11 04:43:26 PM  
2 votes:
Good
2014-01-11 07:17:07 PM  
1 votes:
Okay, a few things come to mind:

1. Good luck finding many choir directors to chose from who don't like men. God forbid you give the job to a capable female if there's that much pearl clutching over a gay man.
2. Choir = drama. Choir + Church =  drama of epic proportions.
3. There is often not much of a payoff in terms of musical satisfaction for a director to put up with poor treatment in the average church choir (with a few notable exceptions, of course).

These choirs need directors who are not deterred by drama and are, more importantly, TOLERANT of it.

Gay choir directors are worth their weight in gold for putting up with a plethora of judgmental, tonally-challenged, gossipy old biddies.  Pay them handsomely and be grateful that they put up with this crap.

/This is exactly why I became an instrumentalist. I refuse any and all musical theatre pit orchestra gigs, despite playing all woodwinds. No. Drama.
2014-01-11 06:53:45 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: GardenWeasel:
Really? RTFA:


Yeah, he was fired  after he came back under a new minister.  That doesn't counter my interpretation, it  supportsit.  The congregation talks the new guy into hiring drama queen employee back, he presumably pulls the same shiat that pissed off the previous guy, and instead of waiting for the motherfarker to go off in a huff again the new boss, who has other more important shiat to do, treats him like a new hire (which, at this point, he IS.  When you quit in a huff and then come back half a year later, you're ENTRY LEVEL now) and fires him for being an entitled dick that's dragging everyone else down with him.

"No longer supporting the minister" is management speak here for violating the chain of command and making trouble by acting like he owns the place.  Which... is a very legitimate problem to have with an employee, and if they won't back down it's a very fireable one, because it wastes a huge amount of the boss's time that could be spent on actual useful tasks.


Apparently though, 80% of the church membership thinks you're full of crap. But still and all, I'm sure your perspective is the correct one.
2014-01-11 06:36:12 PM  
1 votes:

Fubini: This is one of those weird things that will only happen in a place like the Methodist Church. Most places have a democratic process (or at least a board of elders) who have the authority to kick out a new pastor who doesn't jive with the congregation's beliefs.


Actually its not, there was baptist church near me whose pastor wound up having to leave because he had disowned his own grandson who told him he was gay, most of the congregation walked out that day and in under a month church leaders had to ask him to step down.

Most people dont care anymore which is why people need to quit acting like they are so persecuted because of it, the congregations take on it was even if he is gay its not for him to disown or chastise, it was not mans place to judge.
2014-01-11 06:03:49 PM  
1 votes:
the decision is up to the minister and the congregation. The question is, who has the final say. The Steeles think it should be the congregation, but the district leaders disagreed. The congregation ultimately has the final say on who the minister is.

So - the proper thing to do should have for them to fire their minister and get a more tolerant one.
2014-01-11 05:42:59 PM  
1 votes:
Easy solution: give up these old fairy tales and join the modern world.
2014-01-11 05:19:32 PM  
1 votes:

Fubini: pastor who doesn't jive with


Jibe. The word is "jibe."
2014-01-11 05:16:06 PM  
1 votes:
According to United Methodist Church law, gay people are welcome to attend services but the line is drawn at positions of leadership.

The law states, "self-avowed, practicing homosexuals are not to be certified as candidates, ordained as ministers, or appointed to serve in The United Methodist Church."


/Ah you wacky Methodists and your preaching of Jesus, and how he loves all of us, unless you are gay. Then you get the boot. Funny, isn't it, how most organized religions claim to follow the loving preachings of this or that deity, but when it comes down the the brass tacks, it is really just a club of people who want to feel superior to others. A club. Funny how those preach love and tolerance, but have the balls to selectively edit what they practice.
2014-01-11 05:05:42 PM  
1 votes:
CSB about churches selecting a pastor. 

When I was 15 or so, the pastor at our family's (Assembly of God) church was "called by God" or some such bullshiat to take a gig at a bigger, better, A/G church in Dallas or something like that. The upshot being the deacons reviewed candidates, and brought forward a nice-enough guy, more practical and somewhat less charismatic (this in a church that practices faith healing and speaking in tongues) who had a decade or so under his belt at a slightly smaller A/G church in Tyler, Texas. 

So aside from the usual questions and formalities and meet-and-greet, came a somewhat unusual admission. The reason he was leaving his church in Tyler was because his sister-in-law had literally stoned her young infants to death on her front yard one evening, after being told to do so by God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. At the trial, the pastor and his preaching were harshly scrutinized for whatever role they might have played. We even got to see him testify in a Court TV re-run. 

After all this was made known, as well as the more expected stuff about his style and theology and priorities, the congregation (all members over 16) were asked to vote via secret ballot whether or not to accept him as pastor. While the conclusion was foregone, but the vote turned out to be *unanimous* (out of ~500 votes cast perhaps) in favor of accepting him as the new head pastor.
2014-01-11 05:00:06 PM  
1 votes:

Xanadone: Farking sheep-stealers (as I was taught to call United Methodists -- well, not the farking part.)  I prefer a more democratic (and less homophobic) church, like the United Church of Christ, even though UCC congregations sometimes get away with treating ministers like absolute crap.


Yay, someone else who is aware that the UCC *exists*. (I grew up in a UCC church, and even if my spiritual views have drifted... I'm still very proud of them. The pastor recently got arrested in NC, for protesting the batshiat insanity that the legislature there has become...)

Fubini: UCC churchs are largely open to believe what they want. They can be homophobic if they want. (Though it would be a little incongruous to do so.)


While that was true for a while (Due to the congregationalist nature), most of the homophobes left after he 2005 synod, where the UCC *as a whole* voted to be Open and Affirming, and support gay marriage.

It didn't really make the news, though. I couldn't even get it posted on fark.
2014-01-11 04:56:49 PM  
1 votes:

just_intonation: The last time I checked, the Church got to tell you what to do, not the other way around.


Church self-governance at a local, decentralized, congregational level is in fact a very big thing with most mainline Protestant denominations- it goes back to the very root of Protestantism. In most American churches the pastor is subject to a confirmation vote by the members.
2014-01-11 04:55:15 PM  
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: What did they expect?  You pretty much have to assume that any guy who would take on the title of choral director is a flamer.


Hey now!  My rookie from college was a choral director!  He was not a flamer!

/he was arrested for banging a teen
//and seemed to be regressive-trait ephebophile
///and appeared to be gay-in-denial you know what nevermind.
2014-01-11 04:54:02 PM  
1 votes:

just_intonation: FTA: "It's almost like he's hijacked the church," David Steele said. "He is completely going against what the church body wants."

The last time I checked, the Church got to tell you what to do, not the other way around.  And that generally applies to all religions -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever.

Now, having said that, I do applaud them for standing up for what they believe is right.


Nope, for some Christians the congregation is the "Church".
2014-01-11 04:53:13 PM  
1 votes:

just_intonation: FTA: "It's almost like he's hijacked the church," David Steele said. "He is completely going against what the church body wants."

The last time I checked, the Church got to tell you what to do, not the other way around.  And that generally applies to all religions -- Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever.

Now, having said that, I do applaud them for standing up for what they believe is right.


There's a lot of places you haven't checked, then. There's a number of churches called "Congregationalsit Churches", I.e. the church elects/decides on the pastor. (For instance, the  very liberal United Church of Christ is one such church. )
2014-01-11 04:50:11 PM  
1 votes:
So only the straight clergy can f*ck altar boys? How's that work...
2014-01-11 04:41:31 PM  
1 votes:
Until you find out that they quit because the church had been forever tainted.
 
Displayed 23 of 23 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report