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(Ultimate Classic Rock)   Jason Newsted finally explains why he quit Metallica. It wasn't Lars's fault this time   (ultimateclassicrock.com) divider line 82
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2014-01-11 12:20:38 PM
Who didn't want to escape the Titanic?
 
2014-01-11 12:26:09 PM
It's been so long since I've seen them both, scenes from Some Kind of Monster and This Is Spinal Tap get mixed up in my mind.
 
2014-01-11 12:57:32 PM
tl;dr:

Cuz Hetfield's a coont.
 
2014-01-11 01:13:56 PM
hehpic.com

/oblig
 
2014-01-11 01:17:44 PM
I'm willing to with C) Hetfield and Lars are both assholes.
 
2014-01-11 01:18:37 PM
Because he was tired of being treated like shiat because he wasn't Cliff Burton?

:: reads article ::

Eh, close enough.  Besides, I thought Lars pretty much admitted to driving him away with their bullshiat.  Anyway, Metallica's loss, really.
 
2014-01-11 01:21:32 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: tl;dr:

Cuz Hetfield's a coont.


Yep.  Everyone already knew this - Newsted wanted to stretch his creative wings a bit and Hetfield acted like a betrayed spouse.  We all knew the "i quit because of the damage I have done to myself" was bullshiat, since he never stopped playing.

Kinda like how they tried to spin Hanneman's death into SPIDER BITE when we all knew it was farking cirrhosis, or how GaGa canceled tour dates because "surgery" and not "ticket sales in toilet, 15 minutes almost up".

Lying liars and the lies they tell.
 
2014-01-11 01:23:08 PM
This is new?  Wasn't the whole blow-up about his side project mentioned in one of those umpteen dozen Metallica retrospective specials years ago, as being the last straw that finally ran him off?
 
2014-01-11 01:26:18 PM

Wasteland: This is new?  Wasn't the whole blow-up about his side project mentioned in one of those umpteen dozen Metallica retrospective specials years ago, as being the last straw that finally ran him off?


Yeah I'm too lazy to google it, but I think I've seen it somewhere before too.
 
2014-01-11 01:28:43 PM
He finally realized how bad they sucked? I cringe every time I hear some old Metallica on the radio or whatever. The songs are all the same; lame three minute guitar intro, 30 seconds of vocals, even more lame five minute guitar solo, 30 seconds of vocals followed by a three minute boring, lame guitar outro. Every. Damn. Song.
 
2014-01-11 01:29:03 PM
Metallica side projects? Hell no. Metallica has an image to maintain. Otherwise, You might get something like this

cdn.stereogum.com
 
2014-01-11 01:30:08 PM
I thought I'd heard that he was unhappy with how rarely they recorded, or something like that.  This seems similar to that.
 
2014-01-11 01:30:22 PM

Ann Coulter's Diiick: Metallica side projects? Hell no. Metallica has an image to maintain. Otherwise, You might get something like this

[cdn.stereogum.com image 608x608]


here's the image that Metallica maintains.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-11 01:34:05 PM
I could handle the blood and cum but the Napster deal was the last straw for me oh so many years ago...

Now even GWAR is a more credible band in my eyes and I'm not even sure what a GWAR is...
 
2014-01-11 01:34:12 PM
roostertree.files.wordpress.com

Obligatory anti-Metallica post.
 
2014-01-11 01:35:53 PM

TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: Napster deal was the last straw for me oh so many years ago...


Lars was right.  Sorry.
 
2014-01-11 01:35:58 PM
Planet Piss
 
2014-01-11 01:38:56 PM

frepnog: TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: Napster deal was the last straw for me oh so many years ago...

Lars was right.  Sorry.


Considering how often they encouraged their fans to make tapes of their stage shows and share them with their friends, it seems a tad bit hypocritical to say 'omfg theft' after they made it big and famous and rich.

That's why they're assholes.

Lars especially.
 
2014-01-11 01:40:12 PM

frepnog: TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: Napster deal was the last straw for me oh so many years ago...

Lars was right.  Sorry.


How dare you make people pay for music! All music should be free! Fark paying musicians for the work they do.
 
2014-01-11 01:40:16 PM
Hetfield and Lars deny accusations, call them bassless
 
2014-01-11 01:41:52 PM
which included an endless variety of pranks and having his bass too low in the mix on "...and Justice for All"

There was a bass recorded on that album? Who knew?
 
2014-01-11 01:42:16 PM

mjohnson71: frepnog: TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: Napster deal was the last straw for me oh so many years ago...

Lars was right.  Sorry.

How dare you make people pay for music! All music should be free! Fark paying musicians for the work they do.


It's more of a case of them encouraging people to share their music to get rich and famous and once they get rich and famous, vilifying people for sharing their music.

It's a dick move.
 
2014-01-11 01:43:58 PM

Infernalist: Considering how often they encouraged their fans to make tapes of their stage shows and share them with their friends, it seems a tad bit hypocritical to say 'omfg theft' after they made it big and famous and rich.


they never STOPPED letting fans record shows.  Letting fans record shows, and letting people steal your officially released studio albums are two very different things, and you know it.

But yeah, Lars was an asshole.  Same as anyone that realized someone was stealing from them.

Want to know what REALLY sucks?  That the whole kerfluffle was set off by some asshole that stole a pre-release copy of "I Disappear" and stuck it on Napster.  Had that not happened, Lars might never have got his panties in a wad.

And the song sucks.
 
2014-01-11 01:45:17 PM

Infernalist: vilifying people for sharing their music.


as I said, they never had a problem with people recording shows and never cared who you shared that with.
 
2014-01-11 01:46:34 PM

New Age Redneck: which included an endless variety of pranks and having his bass too low in the mix on "...and Justice for All"

There was a bass recorded on that album? Who knew?


get the discreet guitar hero tracks for the songs from ...Justice.

pretty amazing, really.
 
2014-01-11 01:47:36 PM

frepnog: Infernalist: vilifying people for sharing their music.

as I said, they never had a problem with people recording shows and never cared who you shared that with.


Of course not, it helped them get famous.

On a personal note, once I buy an album or pay to watch a movie, I consider it completely acceptable to download it again at a later date.

And yes, if I could, I'd download a car.
 
2014-01-11 01:48:13 PM

frepnog: Infernalist: Considering how often they encouraged their fans to make tapes of their stage shows and share them with their friends, it seems a tad bit hypocritical to say 'omfg theft' after they made it big and famous and rich.

they never STOPPED letting fans record shows.  Letting fans record shows, and letting people steal your officially released studio albums are two very different things, and you know it.

But yeah, Lars was an asshole.  Same as anyone that realized someone was stealing from them.

Want to know what REALLY sucks?  That the whole kerfluffle was set off by some asshole that stole a pre-release copy of "I Disappear" and stuck it on Napster.  Had that not happened, Lars might never have got his panties in a wad.

And the song sucks.


It's not theft. It's copyright infringement and is completely different.

Theft deprives the original owner of the item. Copying a song doesn't cease the song existing. It has created a copy of the work.
 
2014-01-11 01:51:05 PM

mjohnson71: frepnog: TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: Napster deal was the last straw for me oh so many years ago...

Lars was right.  Sorry.

How dare you make people pay for music! All music should be free! Fark paying musicians for the work they do.


It's really only the last 60 years that a musician could record something and then sit on his ass waiting for the money to toll in.
 
2014-01-11 01:52:50 PM

MFAWG: mjohnson71: frepnog: TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: Napster deal was the last straw for me oh so many years ago...

Lars was right.  Sorry.

How dare you make people pay for music! All music should be free! Fark paying musicians for the work they do.

It's really only the last 60 years that a musician could record something and then sit on his ass waiting for the money to toll in.


When you say 'musician', I think you mean 'recording company.'
 
2014-01-11 01:57:25 PM
Metallica should have called it quits a long time ago. They kept at it unwilling to let go of the cash cow they'd created with the Metallica brand even when they couldn't stand each other and their music suffered as a result. As people and as musicians they'd benefit from getting away from each other and moving on to new things. Instead they've stifled their creativity.
 
2014-01-11 02:00:11 PM
Because the rest of the band treated him like shiat and the bass was completely inaudible on the albums he recorded with them?
 
2014-01-11 02:10:23 PM

Infernalist: mjohnson71: frepnog: TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: Napster deal was the last straw for me oh so many years ago...

Lars was right.  Sorry.

How dare you make people pay for music! All music should be free! Fark paying musicians for the work they do.

It's more of a case of them encouraging people to share their music to get rich and famous and once they get rich and famous, vilifying people for sharing their music.

It's a dick move.


No. Theres a difference between recording and sharing a live show and stealing an album. Also, they gave permission for the former and not for the latter. 2) Every band that's ever cut a record that wasnt subsidized by a company has encouraged it to be shared, and they all change their tunes as well. You would to.

Gotta go, that beep means my torrent's done.
 
2014-01-11 02:12:38 PM

Dougie AXP: It's not theft. It's copyright infringement and is completely different.


LOL if that makes you feel better, sport.
 
2014-01-11 02:14:41 PM

jake_lex: Because the rest of the band treated him like shiat and the bass was completely inaudible on the albums he recorded with them?


This is a stupid statement regurgitated because you heard it somewhere before, and have no idea if it's true or not.
 
2014-01-11 02:17:13 PM

lifeboat: Because he was tired of being treated like shiat because he wasn't Cliff Burton?

:: reads article ::

Eh, close enough.  Besides, I thought Lars pretty much admitted to driving him away with their bullshiat.  Anyway, Metallica's loss, really.


This so much.

I hope sometime they get hard up for money and someone talks them into remixing AJFA.
 
2014-01-11 02:18:24 PM

Madbassist1: Dougie AXP: It's not theft. It's copyright infringement and is completely different.

LOL if that makes you feel better, sport.


I just knew I liked you for some reason.

Madbassist1: This is a stupid statement regurgitated because you heard it somewhere before, and have no idea if it's true or not.


No, it's true.  They hazed the shiat out of Jason and he never really became "one of them".

Dougie AXP: It has created a copy of the work.


sit in a theater and record a movie being shown.  after all, you are just creating a copy.

see how that works out for you.
 
2014-01-11 02:18:30 PM

frepnog: Infernalist: Considering how often they encouraged their fans to make tapes of their stage shows and share them with their friends, it seems a tad bit hypocritical to say 'omfg theft' after they made it big and famous and rich.

they never STOPPED letting fans record shows.  Letting fans record shows, and letting people steal your officially released studio albums are two very different things, and you know it.

But yeah, Lars was an asshole.  Same as anyone that realized someone was stealing from them.

Want to know what REALLY sucks?  That the whole kerfluffle was set off by some asshole that stole a pre-release copy of "I Disappear" and stuck it on Napster.  Had that not happened, Lars might never have got his panties in a wad.

And the song sucks.


I like that song. Load too. I know that puts me a small club, but hey, ya like what ya like.
 
2014-01-11 02:18:35 PM

Madbassist1: jake_lex: Because the rest of the band treated him like shiat and the bass was completely inaudible on the albums he recorded with them?

This is a stupid statement regurgitated because you heard it somewhere before, and have no idea if it's true or not.


There's a link in this very article that goes to a story where he talks about how pissed he was when he found out they turned his bass off for And Justice For All.

So I heard it somewhere before too, from the article.
 
2014-01-11 02:20:49 PM

John Buck 41: frepnog: Infernalist: Considering how often they encouraged their fans to make tapes of their stage shows and share them with their friends, it seems a tad bit hypocritical to say 'omfg theft' after they made it big and famous and rich.

they never STOPPED letting fans record shows.  Letting fans record shows, and letting people steal your officially released studio albums are two very different things, and you know it.

But yeah, Lars was an asshole.  Same as anyone that realized someone was stealing from them.

Want to know what REALLY sucks?  That the whole kerfluffle was set off by some asshole that stole a pre-release copy of "I Disappear" and stuck it on Napster.  Had that not happened, Lars might never have got his panties in a wad.

And the song sucks.

I like that song. Load too. I know that puts me a small club, but hey, ya like what ya like.



I personally feel that Load and Re-Load should have been released as one good album instead of two mediocre ones. much like Use Your Illusion should have been.  There is an album's worth of good Metallica between the two discs.
 
2014-01-11 02:22:01 PM

jake_lex: Because the rest of the band treated him like shiat and the bass was completely inaudible on the albums he recorded with them?


Yeah, no. Apart from the infamous and weak-ass (due to lack of bass) AJFA, Jason is very much in the mix in every other release he had with metallica. Ha is, in fact, the loudest Metallica bass player if you forget AJFA. Neither Trujillo or Burton (or Rock lol) got so much presence in the mix.
 
2014-01-11 02:31:46 PM

John Buck 41: frepnog: Infernalist: Considering how often they encouraged their fans to make tapes of their stage shows and share them with their friends, it seems a tad bit hypocritical to say 'omfg theft' after they made it big and famous and rich.

they never STOPPED letting fans record shows.  Letting fans record shows, and letting people steal your officially released studio albums are two very different things, and you know it.

But yeah, Lars was an asshole.  Same as anyone that realized someone was stealing from them.

Want to know what REALLY sucks?  That the whole kerfluffle was set off by some asshole that stole a pre-release copy of "I Disappear" and stuck it on Napster.  Had that not happened, Lars might never have got his panties in a wad.

And the song sucks.

I like that song. Load too. I know that puts me a small club, but hey, ya like what ya like.


Same here.  The newer stuff isn't bad, it's just different.  I like all kinds of different things, depending on my mood.  I'm a long time Metallica fan, and I have no issues with their stance on file sharing.  It's been said already, but the documentary "Some Kind of Monster" pretty much explains this far better.
 
2014-01-11 02:42:28 PM

frepnog: This is a stupid statement regurgitated because you heard it somewhere before, and have no idea if it's true or not.

No, it's true. They hazed the shiat out of Jason and he never really became "one of them".


Not disagreeing, but he said you could NEVER hear the bass and outside ...And Justice, that's just not true.

The rest, I agree with. As far as the headline, when I read it, I thought "Anyone who's seen "Some Kind of Monster" KNOWS why Jason quit.
 
2014-01-11 02:44:09 PM

Infernalist: MFAWG: mjohnson71: frepnog: TEA-PARTY-PATRIOT: Napster deal was the last straw for me oh so many years ago...

Lars was right.  Sorry.

How dare you make people pay for music! All music should be free! Fark paying musicians for the work they do.

It's really only the last 60 years that a musician could record something and then sit on his ass waiting for the money to toll in.

When you say 'musician', I think you mean 'recording company.'


Well, it's been 30 years that an artist could record something himself and then try to sit on his ass waiting for the money to roll in. It's been 10 years that an artist could record something, release it world wide and then try to sit on his ass waiting for the money to come in.

Only it's just not going to happen.
 
2014-01-11 02:44:17 PM

Confabulat: Madbassist1: jake_lex: Because the rest of the band treated him like shiat and the bass was completely inaudible on the albums he recorded with them?

This is a stupid statement regurgitated because you heard it somewhere before, and have no idea if it's true or not.

There's a link in this very article that goes to a story where he talks about how pissed he was when he found out they turned his bass off for And Justice For All.

So I heard it somewhere before too, from the article.


Only one album, not all of them. And it's sad too, because when I heard that album with bass, its pretty farking good.
 
2014-01-11 02:57:24 PM

frepnog: No, it's true. They hazed the shiat out of Jason and he never really became "one of them".


Probably because he never played pranks back. If you get involved with a group of pranksters, you need to give as good as you get or you're going to get steamrolled.
 
2014-01-11 03:02:13 PM

miscreant: frepnog: No, it's true. They hazed the shiat out of Jason and he never really became "one of them".

Probably because he never played pranks back. If you get involved with a group of pranksters, you need to give as good as you get or you're going to get steamrolled.


It's good to see that assholishness isn't just relegated to the poors.
 
2014-01-11 03:02:59 PM
I may have posted this before, but on of my favorite Jason Newsted collaborations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIdF_vVCeWQ

Who Cares?  a supergroup who released 2 songs for charity.

How super?  Well, glad you asked.

It had Jason, Ian Gillan, Tony Iommi, Jon Lord (RIP) and Nicko McBrain in it.

I only wish they recorded a few more songs and put out an album
 
2014-01-11 03:12:11 PM
I saw Metallica live with Cliff Burton twice opening for Ozzy Osbourne  in '86. I knew nothing about their music but the music press had been hyping them for a bit beforehand.

I  walked away from both shows feeling exactly the same as I did before the shows, largely because they had really crummy sound systems and the songs were just big balls of chaotic noise with no real way to decode or decipher what I was hearing. I couldn't have repeated back even one verse from any of their songs because you couldn't make out what the lyrics even were. I remember the drummer bashing away, the three front guys flipping their heads around and Hetfield yelling into the mic, but nothing distinctive emerged.

The most memorable part was at one of the shows, the crowd broke the barricade down front and security guys kept having to lift people over the top who were unconscious after having been crushed against it by the crowd. They stopped the show several times (during Ozzy's set, also) to tell the crowd to move back. It was during a July heat wave and it was over 100 degrees inside the place.

Never developed a liking for Metallica. Never saw what all the fuss was about.
 
2014-01-11 03:14:53 PM
What's with all the Lulu hate?  There are some pretty solid tracks on there.   Not to mention Lou Reed's lyrics.  Some day I'll have to look those lyrics up and read them, cuz in the car they're hard to make out.
 
2014-01-11 03:17:46 PM

miscreant: frepnog: No, it's true. They hazed the shiat out of Jason and he never really became "one of them".

Probably because he never played pranks back. If you get involved with a group of pranksters, you need to give as good as you get or you're going to get steamrolled.


There's a certain amount of truth in that. Depends on your workplace environment and how different personalities mesh, but in general you've gotta play the game. Unless you like being the butt of jokes all the time.
 
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