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2014-01-11 09:23:23 AM  
What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.
 
2014-01-11 09:43:54 AM  
Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.
 
2014-01-11 09:59:35 AM  
Does it really happen that often? I've never seen it.
 
2014-01-11 10:23:06 AM  

Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.


No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue
 
2014-01-11 10:32:56 AM  

BunkyBrewman: No. It is not.


So you think taking money from people is okay and not  against the law? What country are you posting from anyway?
 
2014-01-11 10:33:56 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue


This I waited tables for 5 years at 10 different restaurants I never had to pay for a dine and dasher.  I also never had to pay for an employee meal if I didn't have one. I also never had to clock out for a break unless I left the restaurant.
 
2014-01-11 10:39:49 AM  
There may not be a bigger class of assholes in the world than restaurant owners.
 
2014-01-11 11:11:23 AM  
What an asshole. I worked in that biz for ten years, only had 1 dine and dash. Of course the restaurant covers that. I'm not a f*cking bouncer. Had one friend jump on the hood of a limo as his dash was making their getaway. He rode that limo for a good mile before they stopped. Good times. Good times.
 
2014-01-11 11:19:01 AM  

edmo: BunkyBrewman: No. It is not.

So you think taking money from people is okay and not  against the law? What country are you posting from anyway?


read much?
 
2014-01-11 11:21:39 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue



Hmmm
 
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2014-01-11 11:26:01 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue


That's an oddly defensive response.
 
2014-01-11 11:46:32 AM  
You're not allowed to take a cut of employees' tips?

godswillchurch.com
 
2014-01-11 11:50:17 AM  
Why does Massachusetts hate job creators?
 
2014-01-11 11:52:24 AM  
Obviously, this douchebag didn't think his business plan all the way through.
 
2014-01-11 11:52:30 AM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-11 11:56:51 AM  
Good.

and because its funny...
weknowmemes.com
 
2014-01-11 11:57:37 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: You're not allowed to take a cut of employees' tips?

[godswillchurch.com image 850x481]


Pooling is allowed, but non-service employees, managers, and owners are specifically excluded.

Oddly, at the low level crap like iHOP and Denny's it is fairly uncommon because it's damned easy for a W&L complaint especially when it almost certainly puts the employee below the minimum wage.

It's unfortunately FAR too common at the higher end restaurants.
 
2014-01-11 11:58:33 AM  
Never had to pay for a meal if I worked more than a 6hr shift. Just had to account for the food.
 
2014-01-11 12:00:30 PM  

Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.


This is how the business gets away with it:

"We can't force you to pay for this deadbeat's meal, but if your checks aren't all paid and accounted for, you're fired."
 
2014-01-11 12:00:56 PM  
Christ, what a Republican.
 
2014-01-11 12:01:11 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


Done in one.
 
2014-01-11 12:01:53 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


So much this.
 
2014-01-11 12:02:27 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Who is this numnutz and why should I care where or what he eats?
 
2014-01-11 12:03:33 PM  
Seen people sent home early more than once when they ended up with customers who ate and ran without paying.

If the manager refuses to eat the loss, it's the waitresses that pay for it, one way or the other.  Either out of their tips or by losing hours to cover the loss.

And it's not just a reality, but it's rampant.  Anyone who says otherwise is either unaware of the situation or just straight up lying about it.
 
2014-01-11 12:04:40 PM  
"...republican candidate..."

Quelle sur-preeze!
 
2014-01-11 12:07:05 PM  
When reached at his home by phone on Friday, Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate in the 1990s, declined to say anything relating to the settlement or the accusations against him and his business.

I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of voters are totally stupid - If you make less that 100K a year voting for the money-grubbing, selfish, stingy conservative types is shooting yourself in thew foot.

Oh, yes, they seem so righteous, spouting god all the time, zero tolerance and good ol' family values, they always wear nice suits, they have perfect hairstyles and they support longer prison terms for all those criminals (except for while-collar-types!), but in reality they ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR PEERS.
 
2014-01-11 12:07:25 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


and we're done.
 
2014-01-11 12:07:53 PM  

Tom_Slick: BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue

This I waited tables for 5 years at 10 different restaurants I never had to pay for a dine and dasher.  I also never had to pay for an employee meal if I didn't have one. I also never had to clock out for a break unless I left the restaurant.


In my one stint as a dishwasher, my employer deducted meals even if I never ate them, and if I stayed, say, twenty minutes past the hour, he "rounded" backwards to the hour for wage purposes. Good thing I was just doing it for a little supplemental income and didn't really need the job; about two weeks in I walked out one day midshift. Screw him.
 
2014-01-11 12:09:00 PM  

Tom_Slick: BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue

This I waited tables for 5 years at 10 different restaurants I never had to pay for a dine and dasher.  I also never had to pay for an employee meal if I didn't have one. I also never had to clock out for a break unless I left the restaurant.


Exactly my point.  I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

Thank you for actually comprehending my response.  It seems a few people around here need reading comprehension lessons.  \
 
2014-01-11 12:09:28 PM  
This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets
 
2014-01-11 12:10:29 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Exactly my point. I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.


And because Phil Robertson turned his head quickly enough so that he never saw an incident of bigotry and persecution against the knee grows that didn't happen either, right?
 
2014-01-11 12:11:11 PM  

shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets


Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?
 
2014-01-11 12:11:16 PM  

Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.


Could there be jail time, or do the servers have to sue to get their money back?
 
2014-01-11 12:12:29 PM  

BokerBill: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

Could there be jail time, or do the servers have to sue to get their money back?


Have you ever known a businessman who willing gave back money without the threat of government retaliation prompting him to do so?
 
2014-01-11 12:15:55 PM  

pueblonative: BunkyBrewman: Exactly my point. I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

And because Phil Robertson turned his head quickly enough so that he never saw an incident of bigotry and persecution against the knee grows that didn't happen either, right?


There are over 611,000 restaurants in the United States.  Finding a story or two about how a server was charged or a dine and dash customer still doesn't mean it's an issue, at all.

But hey, compare it to an actual issue with your fallacy response.   That'll win an argument on the internet.
 
2014-01-11 12:16:36 PM  

Infernalist: BokerBill: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

Could there be jail time, or do the servers have to sue to get their money back?


Have you ever known a businessman who willing gave back money without the threat of government retaliation prompting him to do so?


I guess what I'm really asking is, why is it just a threat? A couple of actual examples might have a salutary effect.

 
2014-01-11 12:22:32 PM  
You mean a republican wants to pay less than minimum wage and build his profits on the backs of low-income workers? All that's missing is some child labor.
 
2014-01-11 12:23:23 PM  

BokerBill: Infernalist: BokerBill: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.
Could there be jail time, or do the servers have to sue to get their money back?
Have you ever known a businessman who willing gave back money without the threat of government retaliation prompting him to do so?
I guess what I'm really asking is, why is it just a threat? A couple of actual examples might have a salutary effect.


Why is it just a threat?  Because the government is overrun with bought-and-paid-for politicians who will never go out of their way to bite the hand that feeds.
 
2014-01-11 12:25:21 PM  

shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets


I'm guessing she is not part of the Party of Family Values, Ethics and Morality like the guy who steals money from minimum wage waitresses?
 
2014-01-11 12:25:36 PM  

Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?


Irrelevant, and you missed my point.

Political party has nothing to do with this article because he is not running for office. Political party has everything to do with the Orlando article because she is running for office.
 
2014-01-11 12:26:40 PM  

BunkyBrewman: pueblonative: BunkyBrewman: Exactly my point. I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

And because Phil Robertson turned his head quickly enough so that he never saw an incident of bigotry and persecution against the knee grows that didn't happen either, right?

There are over 611,000 restaurants in the United States.  Finding a story or two about how a server was charged or a dine and dash customer still doesn't mean it's an issue, at all.

But hey, compare it to an actual issue with your fallacy response.   That'll win an argument on the internet.


I'd refer you to the salon article upthread, but if you didn't read it the first time ain't gonna happen the second time.
 
2014-01-11 12:26:49 PM  

NewportBarGuy: What an asshole. I worked in that biz for ten years, only had 1 dine and dash. Of course the restaurant covers that. I'm not a f*cking bouncer. Had one friend jump on the hood of a limo as his dash was making their getaway. He rode that limo for a good mile before they stopped. Good times. Good times.


What a strange combination of low and high class chicanery.  The dasher was probably going to weasel out of paying for the limo too.
 
2014-01-11 12:27:02 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Tom_Slick: BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue

This I waited tables for 5 years at 10 different restaurants I never had to pay for a dine and dasher.  I also never had to pay for an employee meal if I didn't have one. I also never had to clock out for a break unless I left the restaurant.

Exactly my point.  I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

Thank you for actually comprehending my response.  It seems a few people around here need reading comprehension lessons.  \


Personal experience isn't the same as everyone's experience though. As someone posted up thread it's something that is reported as happening far too often.

It's the same mistake that global warming deniers make all the time... "Because it is cold where I am in the winter, global temperatures must be going down!" Which ignores the temperature records being broken in Australia and numerous other contradictory data points.

(now I've done it)
 
2014-01-11 12:29:10 PM  

Dine & dash you say?


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2014-01-11 12:30:26 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


It is almost as if you have totally forgotten what our federal government is getting away with on a daily basis while in Democrat hands.
 
2014-01-11 12:34:05 PM  

shlabotnik: Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?

Irrelevant, and you missed my point.

Political party has nothing to do with this article because he is not running for office. Political party has everything to do with the Orlando article because she is running for office.


Your point isn't one.

The reason why it's always a big deal when the GOP gets busted doing immoral and illegal crap is because they spend so much time and effort portraying themselves as the Moral Authority and the Party of Family Values and Christianity.

So when they get busted in a bus station bathroom offering to pay strangers for the right to blow them, or they get busted stealing from the employees, people rightfully get a hoot out of their hypocrisy and rubbing their faces in it.

Democrats?  You know they're politicians and smarmy and slick and probably corrupt(mostly), but they try to do the right thing most of the time.  That's why scandals have a hard time sticking to them, people have just accepted that most Democrats are a little corrupt and dirty but that's not a deal-breaker in their eyes.
 
2014-01-11 12:34:52 PM  

edmo: BunkyBrewman: No. It is not.

So you think taking money from people is okay and not  against the law? What country are you posting from anyway?


He might refer to dining and dashing itself. I doubt it is a very big problem.
 
2014-01-11 12:37:45 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


Just because he ran as a Republican doesn't necessarily mean he IS a Republican.  Lots of people run for local office as the opposite party to get a shot at winning.

Like Arlen Specter, who changed parties when it suited him - so that he would not lose.
 
2014-01-11 12:38:01 PM  
The government fines the owner but none of the money goes to the wait staff??  thats wrong.
A lot of gas station attendants tell me they have to pay if someone drives off without paying
 
2014-01-11 12:39:47 PM  

pueblonative: BunkyBrewman: Exactly my point. I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

And because Phil Robertson turned his head quickly enough so that he never saw an incident of bigotry and persecution against the knee grows that didn't happen either, right?


Impressive, we got the duck guys in on the first page of a IHOP article.
 
2014-01-11 12:40:12 PM  

MBrady: pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.

Just because he ran as a Republican doesn't necessarily mean he IS a Republican.  Lots of people run for local office as the opposite party to get a shot at winning.

Like Arlen Specter, who changed parties when it suited him - so that he would not lose.


Well, he's certainly acting like a Republican.
 
2014-01-11 12:41:02 PM  

Trackball: It is almost as if you have totally forgotten what our federal government is getting away with on a daily basis while in Democrat hands.


let's see here:

House of Representatives: majority republican
Senate:  majority democrat, but Repubs still have the power to force supermajorities on SCOTUS nominees and bills
SCOTUS: majority republican
President: Democrat and term limited.

Now who's hands is it in again?
 
2014-01-11 12:42:10 PM  

pueblonative: Trackball: It is almost as if you have totally forgotten what our federal government is getting away with on a daily basis while in Democrat hands.

let's see here:

House of Representatives: majority republican
Senate:  majority democrat, but Repubs still have the power to force supermajorities on SCOTUS nominees and bills
SCOTUS: majority republican
President: Democrat and term limited.

Now who's hands is it in again?



Bush?
 
2014-01-11 12:42:43 PM  

Infernalist: shlabotnik: Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?

Irrelevant, and you missed my point.

Political party has nothing to do with this article because he is not running for office. Political party has everything to do with the Orlando article because she is running for office.

Your point isn't one.

The reason why it's always a big deal when the GOP gets busted doing immoral and illegal crap is because they spend so much time and effort portraying themselves as the Moral Authority and the Party of Family Values and Christianity.

So when they get busted in a bus station bathroom offering to pay strangers for the right to blow them, or they get busted stealing from the employees, people rightfully get a hoot out of their hypocrisy and rubbing their faces in it.

Democrats?  You know they're politicians and smarmy and slick and probably corrupt(mostly), but they try to do the right thing most of the time.  That's why scandals have a hard time sticking to them, people have just accepted that most Democrats are a little corrupt and dirty but that's not a deal-breaker in their eyes.


Let's try this again.

My point is that this is shiatty journalism. The fact that this guy once ran for a Republican office has nothing to do with the fact that he is a scumbag restaurant owner. If there is a woman in Orlando running for political office with 21 arrests, the public should know which party she belongs to.

But I guess my point "isn't one."
 
2014-01-11 12:44:44 PM  

Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?


I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?
 
2014-01-11 12:44:47 PM  

sigdiamond2000: There may not be a bigger class of assholes in the world than restaurant owners.


You need to get out more.
 
2014-01-11 12:44:56 PM  

shlabotnik: Infernalist: shlabotnik: Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?

Irrelevant, and you missed my point.

Political party has nothing to do with this article because he is not running for office. Political party has everything to do with the Orlando article because she is running for office.

Your point isn't one.

The reason why it's always a big deal when the GOP gets busted doing immoral and illegal crap is because they spend so much time and effort portraying themselves as the Moral Authority and the Party of Family Values and Christianity.

So when they get busted in a bus station bathroom offering to pay strangers for the right to blow them, or they get busted stealing from the employees, people rightfully get a hoot out of their hypocrisy and rubbing their faces in it.

Democrats?  You know they're politicians and smarmy and slick and probably corrupt(mostly), but they try to do the right thing most of the time.  That's why scandals have a hard time sticking to them, people have just accepted that most Democrats are a little corrupt and dirty but that's not a deal-breaker in their eyes.

Let's try this again.

My point is that this is shiatty journalism. The fact that this guy once ran for a Republican office has nothing to do with the fact that he is a scumbag restaurant owner. If there is a woman in Orlando running for political office with 21 arrests, the public should know which party she belongs to.

But I guess my point "isn't one."



Depends, did she ever cause a traffic jam?
 
2014-01-11 12:50:27 PM  

shlabotnik: Infernalist: shlabotnik: Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?

Irrelevant, and you missed my point.

Political party has nothing to do with this article because he is not running for office. Political party has everything to do with the Orlando article because she is running for office.

Your point isn't one.

The reason why it's always a big deal when the GOP gets busted doing immoral and illegal crap is because they spend so much time and effort portraying themselves as the Moral Authority and the Party of Family Values and Christianity.

So when they get busted in a bus station bathroom offering to pay strangers for the right to blow them, or they get busted stealing from the employees, people rightfully get a hoot out of their hypocrisy and rubbing their faces in it.

Democrats?  You know they're politicians and smarmy and slick and probably corrupt(mostly), but they try to do the right thing most of the time.  That's why scandals have a hard time sticking to them, people have just accepted that most Democrats are a little corrupt and dirty but that's not a deal-breaker in their eyes.

Let's try this again.

My point is that this is shiatty journalism. The fact that this guy once ran for a Republican office has nothing to do with the fact that he is a scumbag restaurant owner. If there is a woman in Orlando running for political office with 21 arrests, the public should know which party she belongs to.

But I guess my point "isn't one."


And I keep pointing why people don't care.  They expect a certain amount of malfeasance from Democrats.  Democrats don't pretend to be political paragons of virtue.

Whereas the corrupt businessman running as a Republican is another chance for the media and the public to get a chuckle out of yet another Moral Man getting busted being immoral and an over-all asshole.
 
2014-01-11 12:50:42 PM  

MBrady: pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.

Just because he ran as a Republican doesn't necessarily mean he IS a Republican.  Lots of people run for local office as the opposite party to get a shot at winning.

Like Arlen Specter, who changed parties when it suited him - so that he would not lose.


Overall, you may have a point, and of course neither party has a monopoly on bad actors, but his behaviour just seems so very Republican.  Of the two parties, only one seems to find an almost sexual thrill out of treating the working poor like they were lower than whale poop.  Now, if he was caught smoking pot and not paying his taxes, I could agree that he was likely a Dem running as a Republican out of political convenience.
 
2014-01-11 12:51:26 PM  

MBrady: Just because he ran as a Republican doesn't necessarily mean he IS a Republican.


Or at least not a true Scotsman Republican.
 
2014-01-11 12:54:03 PM  
shlabotnik:
My point is that this is shiatty journalism. The fact that this guy once ran for a Republican office has nothing to do with the fact that he is a scumbag restaurant owner. If there is a woman in Orlando running for political office with 21 arrests, the public should know which party she belongs to.

Not if the election is non partisan, dumbass.
 
2014-01-11 12:58:46 PM  

pueblonative: shlabotnik:
My point is that this is shiatty journalism. The fact that this guy once ran for a Republican office has nothing to do with the fact that he is a scumbag restaurant owner. If there is a woman in Orlando running for political office with 21 arrests, the public should know which party she belongs to.

Not if the election is non partisan, dumbass.


We know that. Check out the Orlando thread.

Thanks for the thoughtful response.
 
2014-01-11 01:00:11 PM  

jjorsett: I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?


No, they just do.  Like, say, the once married, never divorced father of two President vs a four times married, thrice divorced, childless pill popper.
 
2014-01-11 01:00:47 PM  
<i>And I keep pointing why people don't care.  They expect a certain amount of malfeasance from Democrats.  Democrats don't pretend to be political paragons of virtue.
Whereas the corrupt businessman running as a Republican is another chance for the media and the public to get a chuckle out of yet another Moral Man getting busted being immoral and an over-all asshole.</i>

People don't care that their journalism is shiatty? I disagree.

Or are you arguing something completely different again?
 
2014-01-11 01:01:14 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue


It is sufficiently widespread that I am surprised to find out it is illegal.

Well, not "surprised", as it should be illegal, but it is something that has happened to servers I know personally in NY.
 
2014-01-11 01:01:28 PM  

shlabotnik: pueblonative: shlabotnik:
My point is that this is shiatty journalism. The fact that this guy once ran for a Republican office has nothing to do with the fact that he is a scumbag restaurant owner. If there is a woman in Orlando running for political office with 21 arrests, the public should know which party she belongs to.

Not if the election is non partisan, dumbass.

We know that. Check out the Orlando thread.


Then why ask what party she registered with when she registered to vote?
 
2014-01-11 01:02:28 PM  

pueblonative: shlabotnik: pueblonative: shlabotnik:
My point is that this is shiatty journalism. The fact that this guy once ran for a Republican office has nothing to do with the fact that he is a scumbag restaurant owner. If there is a woman in Orlando running for political office with 21 arrests, the public should know which party she belongs to.

Not if the election is non partisan, dumbass.

We know that. Check out the Orlando thread.

Then why ask what party she registered with when she registered to vote?


Oh, I don't know...because it is relevant to the story?
 
2014-01-11 01:02:55 PM  

shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets


well, it's from a paper called The Republican.  i figured if there's a Republican in the article they will mention it regardless.  Kinda like how all Marvel comics say Stan Lee presents ... even though he isnt actually presenting them.  It might not be super-relevant but it's gonna get mentioned.
 
2014-01-11 01:04:57 PM  

Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?


The Progressives, who think humanity can be perfected though force.
 
2014-01-11 01:06:09 PM  

ThighsofGlory: Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?

The Progressives, who think humanity can be perfected though force.


I'm sorry, but that's incorrect.  Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you, though.
 
2014-01-11 01:06:53 PM  

shlabotnik: <i>And I keep pointing why people don't care.  They expect a certain amount of malfeasance from Democrats.  Democrats don't pretend to be political paragons of virtue.
Whereas the corrupt businessman running as a Republican is another chance for the media and the public to get a chuckle out of yet another Moral Man getting busted being immoral and an over-all asshole.</i>

People don't care that their journalism is shiatty? I disagree.

Or are you arguing something completely different again?


A person's background is important to any story in which they get caught with their hand in the tip jar.  He ran as a Republican candidate in the 1990s.  Unless you have proof otherwise, that is fair game and definitely not crappy journalism.
 
2014-01-11 01:08:11 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue



From the linked  Slate article, a few post below yours:

"The truth is this practice is far more common than most people outside of the restaurant industry might realize. Many servers are forced to perform two jobs at once: delivering food and working as a severely undertrained and underpaid security force."

Do YOU want to reconsider your ignorant statement? LOL
 
2014-01-11 01:09:20 PM  

pueblonative: jjorsett: I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?

No, they just do.  Like, say, the once married, never divorced father of two President vs a four times married, thrice divorced, childless pill popper.


If we're going to tar entire groups via the failings of their individual members, then Bill Clinton, Bob Torricelli, William Jefferson, Jesse Jackson Jr. to name a few that immediately spring to mind.
 
2014-01-11 01:10:08 PM  

shlabotnik: pueblonative: shlabotnik: pueblonative: shlabotnik:
My point is that this is shiatty journalism. The fact that this guy once ran for a Republican office has nothing to do with the fact that he is a scumbag restaurant owner. If there is a woman in Orlando running for political office with 21 arrests, the public should know which party she belongs to.

Not if the election is non partisan, dumbass.

We know that. Check out the Orlando thread.

Then why ask what party she registered with when she registered to vote?

Oh, I don't know...because it is relevant to the story?


It's a non-partisan election.  The Democrats didn't nominate her, and they can't kick her off the voter rolls.  If she ran as a Democratic candidiate in a partisan election in the past, that would be one thing.  But keep trying to fark that chicken.
 
2014-01-11 01:11:54 PM  

jjorsett: If we're going to tar entire groups via the failings of their individual members, then Bill Clinton, Bob Torricelli, William Jefferson, Jesse Jackson Jr. to name a few that immediately spring to mind.


As far as I know, Bill Clinton's still married, and none of the other people have ran on a campaign of "family values".  Try again, sport?
 
2014-01-11 01:12:07 PM  
Someone said: "I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of voters are totally stupid"

Absolutely agree.  This is how an incompetent, inexperienced, know-nothing, Chi-town Hack has been elected to be President, twice.  Well, that, and a LOT of voter fraud for the second election.
 
2014-01-11 01:12:29 PM  

pueblonative: shlabotnik: <i>And I keep pointing why people don't care.  They expect a certain amount of malfeasance from Democrats.  Democrats don't pretend to be political paragons of virtue.
Whereas the corrupt businessman running as a Republican is another chance for the media and the public to get a chuckle out of yet another Moral Man getting busted being immoral and an over-all asshole.</i>

People don't care that their journalism is shiatty? I disagree.

Or are you arguing something completely different again?

A person's background is important to any story in which they get caught with their hand in the tip jar.  He ran as a Republican candidate in the 1990s.  Unless you have proof otherwise, that is fair game and definitely not crappy journalism.


If you firmly believe your above statement, then you agree with me. We should know everything about the Orlando woman, including her political party, because it is fair game and definitely not crappy journalism.
 
2014-01-11 01:14:32 PM  

jjorsett: pueblonative: jjorsett: I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?

No, they just do.  Like, say, the once married, never divorced father of two President vs a four times married, thrice divorced, childless pill popper.

If we're going to tar entire groups via the failings of their individual members, then Bill Clinton, Bob Torricelli, William Jefferson, Jesse Jackson Jr. to name a few that immediately spring to mind.


It's easy to tar the GOP as hypocrites.  See, they proclaim themselves to be the party of morality and ethics, but their members regularly get busted being unethical and immoral and often criminal.

Their hypocrisy only gets compounded when the GOP rallies around their immoral fellows and refuse to condemn him, making excuses and splitting hairs so as to condone and/or ignore the misdeeds of their fellow GOPers.

It's mostly because if they excised their busted brethren, it might be 'them' getting thrown out of the GOP next when their misdeeds are uncovered.

That's why Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.
 
2014-01-11 01:15:50 PM  
shlabotnik:
If you firmly believe your above statement, then you agree with me. We should know everything about the Orlando woman, including her political party, because it is fair game and definitely not crappy journalism.

So you want to know which party (that couldn't have forbid her from doing so) she registered with at the driver's license place for coverage on a non partisan election because. . .
 
2014-01-11 01:17:27 PM  
Somebody needs to wake Drew up and tell him that the Politics tab is spilling into an IHOP/wage theft thread on the main page.
 
2014-01-11 01:20:46 PM  

pueblonative: shlabotnik:
If you firmly believe your above statement, then you agree with me. We should know everything about the Orlando woman, including her political party, because it is fair game and definitely not crappy journalism.

So you want to know which party (that couldn't have forbid her from doing so) she registered with at the driver's license place for coverage on a non partisan election because. . .


...she is running for office, and not running a restaurant.

I thought I covered this.
 
2014-01-11 01:22:28 PM  
More from the Slate article for "BunkyBrewman."  Yeah, it never happens....LMAO

While there are no official numbers on how often servers are pressured into paying for walkouts, Parratt is right that the situation is common. As someone who's worked in and reported on the restaurant industry for many years, I've seen it myself, and even had it happen to me. I've talked to a few dozen friends, colleagues, and industry labor activists over the last two weeks, and they nearly unanimously agreed that the practice is widespread.
 
2014-01-11 01:25:00 PM  

Infernalist: That's why Democrats  Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.

 
2014-01-11 01:26:21 PM  

Molavian: Infernalist: That's why Democrats  Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.


According to the last two elections, that's the majority of Americans.
 
2014-01-11 01:28:09 PM  

shlabotnik: pueblonative: shlabotnik:
If you firmly believe your above statement, then you agree with me. We should know everything about the Orlando woman, including her political party, because it is fair game and definitely not crappy journalism.

So you want to know which party (that couldn't have forbid her from doing so) she registered with at the driver's license place for coverage on a non partisan election because. . .

...she is running for office in a non-partisan election, and not running a restaurant after running as a candidate for a party that has made it its goal to destroy workers rights.

I thought I covered this.


FTFY.

Care to know how she voted on American Idol while you're at it?
 
2014-01-11 01:37:29 PM  

pueblonative: shlabotnik: pueblonative: shlabotnik:
If you firmly believe your above statement, then you agree with me. We should know everything about the Orlando woman, including her political party, because it is fair game and definitely not crappy journalism.

So you want to know which party (that couldn't have forbid her from doing so) she registered with at the driver's license place for coverage on a non partisan election because. . .

...she is running for office in a non-partisan election, and not running a restaurant after running as a candidate for a party that has made it its goal to destroy workers rights.

I thought I covered this.

FTFY.

Care to know how she voted on American Idol while you're at it?


Well, if that is part of her background, I guess it's fair game and definitely not crappy journalism.

/I'm out - guests are here. It's been fun arguing, and good luck in future threads.
 
2014-01-11 01:44:54 PM  
Why is Bob Evans running an IHOP badly?

/Sabotage?
 
2014-01-11 01:45:08 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


Yep, as soon as I saw that, it explained everything.
 
2014-01-11 01:52:48 PM  

Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: That's why Democrats  Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.

According to the last two elections, that's the majority of Americans.


I'm not sure you want to ride that train, chief.
 
2014-01-11 01:54:06 PM  

Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: That's why Democrats  Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.

According to the last two elections, that's the majority of Americans.

I'm not sure you want to ride that train, chief.


Why not?  It's hard to dispute the fact that the GOP is a dying breed.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-11 02:04:11 PM  

sigdiamond2000: There may not be a bigger class of assholes in the world than restaurant owners.


LOL, my sister owns 2 very profitable and well reviewed/liked cafes.
She is also very much conservative.
She would never try to force her waitstaff to pay for someone running out on a bill.
It does happen, but not very often.

This is not a "republican/right-wing" problem. It is an asshole owner problem.
I hope their place suffers for the press, and good waitstaff avoids taking jobs there.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-11 02:07:52 PM  

pueblonative: jjorsett: I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?

No, they just do.  Like, say, the once married, never divorced father of two President vs a four times married, thrice divorced, childless pill popper.


Or the sax playing, cigar-twat-stuffing fella?
 
2014-01-11 02:15:42 PM  

gja: pueblonative: jjorsett: I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?

No, they just do.  Like, say, the once married, never divorced father of two President vs a four times married, thrice divorced, childless pill popper.

Or the sax playing, cigar-twat-stuffing fella?


Funniest part of the whole Lowensky 'scandal' is that it made Clinton's approval ratings go up.  It's just not a scandal when most people expect that sort of thing to happen to the President.
 
2014-01-11 02:17:49 PM  

Infernalist: shlabotnik: Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?

Irrelevant, and you missed my point.

Political party has nothing to do with this article because he is not running for office. Political party has everything to do with the Orlando article because she is running for office.

Your point isn't one.

The reason why it's always a big deal when the GOP gets busted doing immoral and illegal crap is because they spend so much time and effort portraying themselves as the Moral Authority and the Party of Family Values and Christianity.

So when they get busted in a bus station bathroom offering to pay strangers for the right to blow them, or they get busted stealing from the employees, people rightfully get a hoot out of their hypocrisy and rubbing their faces in it.

Democrats?  You know they're politicians and smarmy and slick and probably corrupt(mostly), but they try to do the right thing most of the time.  That's why scandals have a hard time sticking to them, people have just accepted that most Democrats are a little corrupt and dirty but that's not a deal-breaker in their eyes.


Wow. What an awesome political system.
 
2014-01-11 02:20:03 PM  

shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets


I knew which Party she belonged to as soon as I saw her picture.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-11 02:21:40 PM  

Infernalist: gja: pueblonative: jjorsett: I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?

No, they just do.  Like, say, the once married, never divorced father of two President vs a four times married, thrice divorced, childless pill popper.

Or the sax playing, cigar-twat-stuffing fella?

Funniest part of the whole Lowensky 'scandal' is that it made Clinton's approval ratings go up.  It's just not a scandal when most people expect that sort of thing to happen to the President.


Oh, and for the record, I really LIKE Bill. However, his is, and they ALL are, politicians. So they all have filthy hands.
They all suck. They all lie. They all break laws you and I would end up jailed for. Not one of them has any serious moral fortitude.

Show me one from recent history that has not been caught in the cookie jar or some girls panties or broken laws.
Can't be done, they all have managed to screw that pooch one way or the other.
 
2014-01-11 02:22:57 PM  

The Flexecutioner: pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.

and we're done.


Obviously. Democrats feel the government should own all of the businesses  and create all the jobs, giving to the people what food and services they deem necessary. No one should have more than anyone else, right?
 
2014-01-11 02:24:39 PM  
For all that turned this into a Democrat/Republican mud fight here's the difference:

Republicans claim they oppose unwanted sex while raping you.

Democrats claim their raping you is for your own good.

Either way, you're still raped.
 
2014-01-11 02:26:20 PM  

Lee451: Democrats feel the government should own all of the businesses  and create all the jobs, giving to the people what food and services they deem necessary. No one should have more than anyone else, right?


Jesus, where do you people come up with this shiat?
 
2014-01-11 02:26:23 PM  

arturoh2o: For all that turned this into a Democrat/Republican mud fight here's the difference:

Republicans claim they oppose unwanted sex while raping you.

Democrats claim their raping you is for your own good.

Either way, you're still raped.


So vote Republican?
 
2014-01-11 02:28:11 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: When reached at his home by phone on Friday, Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate in the 1990s, declined to say anything relating to the settlement or the accusations against him and his business.

I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of voters are totally stupid - If you make less that 100K a year voting for the money-grubbing, selfish, stingy conservative types is shooting yourself in thew foot.

Oh, yes, they seem so righteous, spouting god all the time, zero tolerance and good ol' family values, they always wear nice suits, they have perfect hairstyles and they support longer prison terms for all those criminals (except for while-collar-types!), but in reality they ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR PEERS.


Many people prefer to vote for the guys that aren't into murdering babies by the hundreds of thousands
 
2014-01-11 02:29:52 PM  

gja: Infernalist: gja: pueblonative: jjorsett: I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?

No, they just do.  Like, say, the once married, never divorced father of two President vs a four times married, thrice divorced, childless pill popper.

Or the sax playing, cigar-twat-stuffing fella?

Funniest part of the whole Lowensky 'scandal' is that it made Clinton's approval ratings go up.  It's just not a scandal when most people expect that sort of thing to happen to the President.

Oh, and for the record, I really LIKE Bill. However, his is, and they ALL are, politicians. So they all have filthy hands.
They all suck. They all lie. They all break laws you and I would end up jailed for. Not one of them has any serious moral fortitude.

Show me one from recent history that has not been caught in the cookie jar or some girls panties or broken laws.
Can't be done, they all have managed to screw that pooch one way or the other.


Yep, they're all dirty.

That said, only one party wants to outlaw gay people, make Christianity the official religion of the US and act like cartoon polluting villains from Captain Planet.

Once you accept that both parties are corrupt, then you only have to look at their public agendas to see which one you should vote for.
 
2014-01-11 02:30:52 PM  

Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: That's why Democrats  Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.

According to the last two elections, that's the majority of Americans.

I'm not sure you want to ride that train, chief.

Why not?  It's hard to dispute the fact that the GOP is a dying breed.


Wasn't it ~20% of people in the US voted Democrat, ~20% Republican?  The majority of Americans didn't vote at all.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-11 02:31:01 PM  

Infernalist: arturoh2o: For all that turned this into a Democrat/Republican mud fight here's the difference:

Republicans claim they oppose unwanted sex while raping you.

Democrats claim their raping you is for your own good.

Either way, you're still raped.

So vote Republican?


Nah, just try to relax and enjoy it. After a while you get used to it and it stops hurting so much. Just remember to not tell mom.
 
2014-01-11 02:36:15 PM  

Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: That's why Democrats  Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.

According to the last two elections, that's the majority of Americans.

I'm not sure you want to ride that train, chief.

Why not?  It's hard to dispute the fact that the GOP is a dying breed.

Wasn't it ~20% of people in the US voted Democrat, ~20% Republican?  The majority of Americans didn't vote at all.


They have in the last several elections and most of them voted Democratic.  I mean, you 'can' see that, right?

How many elections do we need to have with Democratic majorities before they stop being 'Independents' and start being Democrats-in-all-but-name?
 
2014-01-11 02:37:50 PM  

Infernalist: MBrady: pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.

Just because he ran as a Republican doesn't necessarily mean he IS a Republican.  Lots of people run for local office as the opposite party to get a shot at winning.

Like Arlen Specter, who changed parties when it suited him - so that he would not lose.

Well, he's certainly acting like a Republican.


and if he "had run as a Democrat" what would you be saying then?

Oh I know..crickets....crickets...crickets...

stereotype much?
 
2014-01-11 02:40:07 PM  

MBrady: Infernalist: MBrady: pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.

Just because he ran as a Republican doesn't necessarily mean he IS a Republican.  Lots of people run for local office as the opposite party to get a shot at winning.

Like Arlen Specter, who changed parties when it suited him - so that he would not lose.

Well, he's certainly acting like a Republican.

and if he "had run as a Democrat" what would you be saying then?

Oh I know..crickets....crickets...crickets...

stereotype much?


When the GOP stops being hypocritical, I'll stop calling them hypocrites.
 
2014-01-11 02:46:13 PM  
and its president and treasurer Robert Max Evans

Rule of thumb, if a person labels themselves using all 3 of their names, they are probably a douche bag.
 
2014-01-11 02:47:33 PM  
Amy's Baking Company is branching out, I see.
 
2014-01-11 02:47:38 PM  

Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: That's why Democrats  Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.

According to the last two elections, that's the majority of Americans.

I'm not sure you want to ride that train, chief.

Why not?  It's hard to dispute the fact that the GOP is a dying breed.

Wasn't it ~20% of people in the US voted Democrat, ~20% Republican?  The majority of Americans didn't vote at all.

They have in the last several elections and most of them voted Democratic.  I mean, you 'can' see that, right?

How many elections do we need to have with Democratic majorities before they stop being 'Independents' and start being Democrats-in-all-but-name?


No, they haven't.
 
2014-01-11 02:52:31 PM  

Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: That's why Democrats  Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.

According to the last two elections, that's the majority of Americans.

I'm not sure you want to ride that train, chief.

Why not?  It's hard to dispute the fact that the GOP is a dying breed.

Wasn't it ~20% of people in the US voted Democrat, ~20% Republican?  The majority of Americans didn't vote at all.

They have in the last several elections and most of them voted Democratic.  I mean, you 'can' see that, right?

How many elections do we need to have with Democratic majorities before they stop being 'Independents' and start being Democrats-in-all-but-name?

No, they haven't.


Do you need me to list a few election results?

Aside from 2010, which was a tepid and dulled GOP victory, they haven't won a major election cycle since 2004.  That's over a decade.  Do you need two decades of Democratic roflstomps before it sinks in?
 
2014-01-11 02:57:31 PM  

Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: That's why Democrats  Americans consider the GOP to be a party of holier than thou hypocrites who talk a good game, but are fairly worse than the dirtiest Democrat.

According to the last two elections, that's the majority of Americans.

I'm not sure you want to ride that train, chief.

Why not?  It's hard to dispute the fact that the GOP is a dying breed.

Wasn't it ~20% of people in the US voted Democrat, ~20% Republican?  The majority of Americans didn't vote at all.

They have in the last several elections and most of them voted Democratic.  I mean, you 'can' see that, right?

How many elections do we need to have with Democratic majorities before they stop being 'Independents' and start being Democrats-in-all-but-name?

No, they haven't.

Do you need me to list a few election results?

Aside from 2010, which was a tepid and dulled GOP victory, they haven't won a major election cycle since 2004.  That's over a decade.  Do you need two decades of Democratic roflstomps before it sinks in?


Because we were doing so well under the Republicans before.
 
2014-01-11 03:04:57 PM  
Partisan hatred here is hilarious and ironic.  "Progressives" are all about morality, just not in the traditional church sense, they want to use government authority to jerk private industry around "for the people" while somehow many of them seem to get richer while in office.  Many Democrats are on record as being in favor of nationalizing certain industries and using that power to expand government regardless of the fallout, many also support a two-tier system for those who have and those who do not by their own actions.  Republicans are so vilified by the current mass media that governor Christie in New Jersey gets far more coverage in 24 hours for a bridge scandal than Obama gets in months over concerns about people in his administration using the IRS to target rival political groups.  By and large most of the politicians from either party are just trying to get by, and yes as a country we tolerate some corruption from both sides.  We also tolerate being divided and pitted against each other instead of taking a look around and realizing that we are all pretty much being given a raw deal as a country by a lot of those in power.  Bush had a Democratic Congress when the economy tanked, Clinton had a Republican one when the economy boomed.  Johnson began the Great Society, Nixon began Petrodollar theory when he revoked the Bretton Woods accord, and in both cases those are root causes for some of the problems we see in the country today.  Neither party alone nor any single president is responsible for the debacles we are facing.  But at the federal level if you think the Democrats and Republicans are not eating at the same restaurants, going to the same social clubs, or actually have the interests of the bulk of America at heart as often as they would like to portray, well enjoy the kool-aid flavor du jour and please stay home in November.
 
2014-01-11 03:08:45 PM  

blugenes: Partisan hatred here is hilarious and ironic.  "Progressives" are all about morality, just not in the traditional church sense, they want to use government authority to jerk private industry around "for the people" while somehow many of them seem to get richer while in office.  Many Democrats are on record as being in favor of nationalizing certain industries and using that power to expand government regardless of the fallout, many also support a two-tier system for those who have and those who do not by their own actions.  Republicans are so vilified by the current mass media that governor Christie in New Jersey gets far more coverage in 24 hours for a bridge scandal than Obama gets in months over concerns about people in his administration using the IRS to target rival political groups.  By and large most of the politicians from either party are just trying to get by, and yes as a country we tolerate some corruption from both sides.  We also tolerate being divided and pitted against each other instead of taking a look around and realizing that we are all pretty much being given a raw deal as a country by a lot of those in power.  Bush had a Democratic Congress when the economy tanked, Clinton had a Republican one when the economy boomed.  Johnson began the Great Society, Nixon began Petrodollar theory when he revoked the Bretton Woods accord, and in both cases those are root causes for some of the problems we see in the country today.  Neither party alone nor any single president is responsible for the debacles we are facing.  But at the federal level if you think the Democrats and Republicans are not eating at the same restaurants, going to the same social clubs, or actually have the interests of the bulk of America at heart as often as they would like to portray, well enjoy the kool-aid flavor du jour and please stay home in November.


Jesus was an extraterrestrial.
 
2014-01-11 03:14:14 PM  
This is what the politics tab looks like doesn't it, just pages upon pages of this petty bickering.  No wonder anyone with any sense of value ignores it completely.  For shame too.
 
2014-01-11 03:15:25 PM  

BumpInTheNight: This is what the politics tab looks like doesn't it, just pages upon pages of this petty bickering.  No wonder anyone with any sense of value ignores it completely.  For shame too.


no u
 
2014-01-11 03:15:54 PM  
I can't see that article about the woman with 21 arrests, but assuming it is true, I'm embarrassed that the Democrats have a candidate who's obviously less competent than a Republican would be at committing crimes without being arrested.  I think liberals could develop into super-villain-level criminals, but since we basically let anyone into our tent, we get a lot of people who simply lack the ambition to commit large-scale atrocities.
 
2014-01-11 03:31:08 PM  

logicalman: More from the Slate article for "BunkyBrewman."  Yeah, it never happens....LMAO

While there are no official numbers on how often servers are pressured into paying for walkouts, Parratt is right that the situation is common. As someone who's worked in and reported on the restaurant industry for many years, I've seen it myself, and even had it happen to me. I've talked to a few dozen friends, colleagues, and industry labor activists over the last two weeks, and they nearly unanimously agreed that the practice is widespread.


That can't be right. PunkyBrewman told me so. He told me so!
*rolls eyes*
 
2014-01-11 04:03:49 PM  

berylman: What a strange combination of low and high class chicanery.


Oh, it was pretty awesome all around. It was some old English guy and his high class escort girlfriend eating at the bar of a very high class restaurant. http://www.castlehillinn.com/

He had quite a lot of booze and was rambling about all kinds of crap. The one thing he said that stuck with me that I use to this day was "That's beautiful. Does the sun always set over there?"

He went out first and no one saw him get into the limo. We had other customers and didn't notice when she left too. We heard the limo door slam and that's when he went running after them and jumped on the hood.
 
2014-01-11 04:19:31 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


Exactly. Once again, we see the republican screwing someone over and a democrat fixing it. This happens so many times, over and over, that I hope one day the lesson will sink in: republicans are *not* your friends.
 
2014-01-11 04:46:47 PM  

sigdiamond2000: There may not be a bigger class of assholes in the world than restaurant owners.


Closely tied with  someone else's lawyer and the servers that work at the restaurant.
 
2014-01-11 04:58:07 PM  

oneWolf343: edmo: BunkyBrewman: No. It is not.

So you think taking money from people is okay and not  against the law? What country are you posting from anyway?

He might refer to dining and dashing itself. I doubt it is a very big problem.


What post did you guys read ?
He was saying that it is not common for employers to deduct employees' wages when customers do dine and dash.

He was not saying that it would not be against the law, and he was not referring to how common the act of dining and dashing is.
 
2014-01-11 05:12:28 PM  

gja: Infernalist: gja: pueblonative: jjorsett: I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?

No, they just do.  Like, say, the once married, never divorced father of two President vs a four times married, thrice divorced, childless pill popper.

Or the sax playing, cigar-twat-stuffing fella?

Funniest part of the whole Lowensky 'scandal' is that it made Clinton's approval ratings go up.  It's just not a scandal when most people expect that sort of thing to happen to the President.

Oh, and for the record, I really LIKE Bill. However, his is, and they ALL are, politicians. So they all have filthy hands.
They all suck. They all lie. They all break laws you and I would end up jailed for. Not one of them has any serious moral fortitude.

Show me one from recent history that has not been caught in the cookie jar or some girls panties or broken laws.
Can't be done, they all have managed to screw that pooch one way or the other.


This is all true, and I never disputed it. All politicians have filthy hands.

What I and a number of other people are saying is that on top of all that, republicans are ALSO hypocrites AND they fark over anyone who is not white, Christian, and MOST IMPORTANTLY rich! If you have to work for a living, republicans are NOT your friends.

So, there are a bunch more negatives for the average person with repubs than with dems, get it?
 
2014-01-11 05:15:02 PM  

Lee451: The Flexecutioner: pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.

and we're done.

Obviously. Democrats feel the government should own all of the businesses  and create all the jobs, giving to the people what food and services they deem necessary. No one should have more than anyone else, right?


Hmmm...it's almost like there should be a middle ground, huh? Like owners can own their own businesses but should treat their workers fairly and according to the law. Wow, I wish that could happen. I know it won't happen through republican policies, however.
 
2014-01-11 05:27:32 PM  

Infernalist: MBrady: Infernalist: MBrady: pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.

Just because he ran as a Republican doesn't necessarily mean he IS a Republican.  Lots of people run for local office as the opposite party to get a shot at winning.

Like Arlen Specter, who changed parties when it suited him - so that he would not lose.

Well, he's certainly acting like a Republican.

and if he "had run as a Democrat" what would you be saying then?

Oh I know..crickets....crickets...crickets...

stereotype much?

When the GOP stops being hypocritical, I'll stop calling them hypocrites.


and I'll continue to call out the democrats who do the same damn thing
 
2014-01-11 06:10:06 PM  
The whistle-blowers were all fired, of course.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-11 06:47:54 PM  

silvervial: gja: Infernalist: gja: pueblonative: jjorsett: I assume you're going to say, Republican. You do realize that would imply that Democrats don't even bother pretending to morality and ethics, right?

No, they just do.  Like, say, the once married, never divorced father of two President vs a four times married, thrice divorced, childless pill popper.

Or the sax playing, cigar-twat-stuffing fella?

Funniest part of the whole Lowensky 'scandal' is that it made Clinton's approval ratings go up.  It's just not a scandal when most people expect that sort of thing to happen to the President.

Oh, and for the record, I really LIKE Bill. However, his is, and they ALL are, politicians. So they all have filthy hands.
They all suck. They all lie. They all break laws you and I would end up jailed for. Not one of them has any serious moral fortitude.

Show me one from recent history that has not been caught in the cookie jar or some girls panties or broken laws.
Can't be done, they all have managed to screw that pooch one way or the other.

This is all true, and I never disputed it. All politicians have filthy hands.

What I and a number of other people are saying is that on top of all that, republicans are ALSO hypocrites AND they fark over anyone who is not white, Christian, and MOST IMPORTANTLY rich! If you have to work for a living, republicans are NOT your friends.

So, there are a bunch more negatives for the average person with repubs than with dems, get it?


I am quite aware of the score. My problem is many seem to think anyone that holds ANY level of christianity is to be associated with the miscreants of the right-wing. Patently untrue and offensive.
Also, there are those in this thread claiming (very ignorantly and in a most bigoted fashion) that ALL business owners are to be considered right-wing pond scum.
I have come to know that the political machine will fark over anyone, even their own, if it suits them.
Andrew Cuomo is a shining example of that. Just ask the WFP.


Oh, and if that tone I detect in your "get it?" query is condescension you know what you can do with it young man.
 
2014-01-11 09:04:24 PM  

brewswane: The government fines the owner but none of the money goes to the wait staff?? thats wrong.
A lot of gas station attendants tell me they have to pay if someone drives off without paying


I think they had to pay back what they took.  The penalty needs to be a lot more severe, though--as it stands it's not enough to deter the behavior, a company is better off being bad.

Infernalist: Wasn't it ~20% of people in the US voted Democrat, ~20% Republican? The majority of Americans didn't vote at all.

They have in the last several elections and most of them voted Democratic. I mean, you 'can' see that, right?

How many elections do we need to have with Democratic majorities before they stop being 'Independents' and start being Democrats-in-all-but-name?


It's not that they are Democrats, it's that they regard the Democrats as the lesser evil these days.  The Republicans have gone so extreme.
 
2014-01-11 11:47:28 PM  

Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?


So you dance around the point with another question that has nothing to do with his point?  Good jorb, Lib.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-12 10:40:49 AM  
Loren: "it's that they regard the Democrats as the lesser evil these days."

THIS^^^, sadly is what it has come to. We no longer decide based on who will do the most good, but rather the least damage.
Frigging sickening.
Welcome to the pot, fellow frogs. Is it just me or is it getting a tad(pole) warm in here?
 
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