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2014-01-11 09:23:23 AM  
What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.
 
2014-01-11 09:43:54 AM  
Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.
 
2014-01-11 09:59:35 AM  
Does it really happen that often? I've never seen it.
 
2014-01-11 10:23:06 AM  

Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.


No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue
 
2014-01-11 10:32:56 AM  

BunkyBrewman: No. It is not.


So you think taking money from people is okay and not  against the law? What country are you posting from anyway?
 
2014-01-11 10:33:56 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue


This I waited tables for 5 years at 10 different restaurants I never had to pay for a dine and dasher.  I also never had to pay for an employee meal if I didn't have one. I also never had to clock out for a break unless I left the restaurant.
 
2014-01-11 10:39:49 AM  
There may not be a bigger class of assholes in the world than restaurant owners.
 
2014-01-11 11:11:23 AM  
What an asshole. I worked in that biz for ten years, only had 1 dine and dash. Of course the restaurant covers that. I'm not a f*cking bouncer. Had one friend jump on the hood of a limo as his dash was making their getaway. He rode that limo for a good mile before they stopped. Good times. Good times.
 
2014-01-11 11:19:01 AM  

edmo: BunkyBrewman: No. It is not.

So you think taking money from people is okay and not  against the law? What country are you posting from anyway?


read much?
 
2014-01-11 11:21:39 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue



Hmmm
 
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2014-01-11 11:26:01 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue


That's an oddly defensive response.
 
2014-01-11 11:46:32 AM  
You're not allowed to take a cut of employees' tips?

godswillchurch.com
 
2014-01-11 11:50:17 AM  
Why does Massachusetts hate job creators?
 
2014-01-11 11:52:24 AM  
Obviously, this douchebag didn't think his business plan all the way through.
 
2014-01-11 11:52:30 AM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-11 11:56:51 AM  
Good.

and because its funny...
weknowmemes.com
 
2014-01-11 11:57:37 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: You're not allowed to take a cut of employees' tips?

[godswillchurch.com image 850x481]


Pooling is allowed, but non-service employees, managers, and owners are specifically excluded.

Oddly, at the low level crap like iHOP and Denny's it is fairly uncommon because it's damned easy for a W&L complaint especially when it almost certainly puts the employee below the minimum wage.

It's unfortunately FAR too common at the higher end restaurants.
 
2014-01-11 11:58:33 AM  
Never had to pay for a meal if I worked more than a 6hr shift. Just had to account for the food.
 
2014-01-11 12:00:30 PM  

Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.


This is how the business gets away with it:

"We can't force you to pay for this deadbeat's meal, but if your checks aren't all paid and accounted for, you're fired."
 
2014-01-11 12:00:56 PM  
Christ, what a Republican.
 
2014-01-11 12:01:11 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


Done in one.
 
2014-01-11 12:01:53 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


So much this.
 
2014-01-11 12:02:27 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Who is this numnutz and why should I care where or what he eats?
 
2014-01-11 12:03:33 PM  
Seen people sent home early more than once when they ended up with customers who ate and ran without paying.

If the manager refuses to eat the loss, it's the waitresses that pay for it, one way or the other.  Either out of their tips or by losing hours to cover the loss.

And it's not just a reality, but it's rampant.  Anyone who says otherwise is either unaware of the situation or just straight up lying about it.
 
2014-01-11 12:04:40 PM  
"...republican candidate..."

Quelle sur-preeze!
 
2014-01-11 12:07:05 PM  
When reached at his home by phone on Friday, Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate in the 1990s, declined to say anything relating to the settlement or the accusations against him and his business.

I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of voters are totally stupid - If you make less that 100K a year voting for the money-grubbing, selfish, stingy conservative types is shooting yourself in thew foot.

Oh, yes, they seem so righteous, spouting god all the time, zero tolerance and good ol' family values, they always wear nice suits, they have perfect hairstyles and they support longer prison terms for all those criminals (except for while-collar-types!), but in reality they ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR PEERS.
 
2014-01-11 12:07:25 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


and we're done.
 
2014-01-11 12:07:53 PM  

Tom_Slick: BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue

This I waited tables for 5 years at 10 different restaurants I never had to pay for a dine and dasher.  I also never had to pay for an employee meal if I didn't have one. I also never had to clock out for a break unless I left the restaurant.


In my one stint as a dishwasher, my employer deducted meals even if I never ate them, and if I stayed, say, twenty minutes past the hour, he "rounded" backwards to the hour for wage purposes. Good thing I was just doing it for a little supplemental income and didn't really need the job; about two weeks in I walked out one day midshift. Screw him.
 
2014-01-11 12:09:00 PM  

Tom_Slick: BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue

This I waited tables for 5 years at 10 different restaurants I never had to pay for a dine and dasher.  I also never had to pay for an employee meal if I didn't have one. I also never had to clock out for a break unless I left the restaurant.


Exactly my point.  I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

Thank you for actually comprehending my response.  It seems a few people around here need reading comprehension lessons.  \
 
2014-01-11 12:09:28 PM  
This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets
 
2014-01-11 12:10:29 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Exactly my point. I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.


And because Phil Robertson turned his head quickly enough so that he never saw an incident of bigotry and persecution against the knee grows that didn't happen either, right?
 
2014-01-11 12:11:11 PM  

shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets


Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?
 
2014-01-11 12:11:16 PM  

Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.


Could there be jail time, or do the servers have to sue to get their money back?
 
2014-01-11 12:12:29 PM  

BokerBill: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

Could there be jail time, or do the servers have to sue to get their money back?


Have you ever known a businessman who willing gave back money without the threat of government retaliation prompting him to do so?
 
2014-01-11 12:15:55 PM  

pueblonative: BunkyBrewman: Exactly my point. I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

And because Phil Robertson turned his head quickly enough so that he never saw an incident of bigotry and persecution against the knee grows that didn't happen either, right?


There are over 611,000 restaurants in the United States.  Finding a story or two about how a server was charged or a dine and dash customer still doesn't mean it's an issue, at all.

But hey, compare it to an actual issue with your fallacy response.   That'll win an argument on the internet.
 
2014-01-11 12:16:36 PM  

Infernalist: BokerBill: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

Could there be jail time, or do the servers have to sue to get their money back?


Have you ever known a businessman who willing gave back money without the threat of government retaliation prompting him to do so?


I guess what I'm really asking is, why is it just a threat? A couple of actual examples might have a salutary effect.

 
2014-01-11 12:22:32 PM  
You mean a republican wants to pay less than minimum wage and build his profits on the backs of low-income workers? All that's missing is some child labor.
 
2014-01-11 12:23:23 PM  

BokerBill: Infernalist: BokerBill: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.
Could there be jail time, or do the servers have to sue to get their money back?
Have you ever known a businessman who willing gave back money without the threat of government retaliation prompting him to do so?
I guess what I'm really asking is, why is it just a threat? A couple of actual examples might have a salutary effect.


Why is it just a threat?  Because the government is overrun with bought-and-paid-for politicians who will never go out of their way to bite the hand that feeds.
 
2014-01-11 12:25:21 PM  

shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets


I'm guessing she is not part of the Party of Family Values, Ethics and Morality like the guy who steals money from minimum wage waitresses?
 
2014-01-11 12:25:36 PM  

Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?


Irrelevant, and you missed my point.

Political party has nothing to do with this article because he is not running for office. Political party has everything to do with the Orlando article because she is running for office.
 
2014-01-11 12:26:40 PM  

BunkyBrewman: pueblonative: BunkyBrewman: Exactly my point. I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

And because Phil Robertson turned his head quickly enough so that he never saw an incident of bigotry and persecution against the knee grows that didn't happen either, right?

There are over 611,000 restaurants in the United States.  Finding a story or two about how a server was charged or a dine and dash customer still doesn't mean it's an issue, at all.

But hey, compare it to an actual issue with your fallacy response.   That'll win an argument on the internet.


I'd refer you to the salon article upthread, but if you didn't read it the first time ain't gonna happen the second time.
 
2014-01-11 12:26:49 PM  

NewportBarGuy: What an asshole. I worked in that biz for ten years, only had 1 dine and dash. Of course the restaurant covers that. I'm not a f*cking bouncer. Had one friend jump on the hood of a limo as his dash was making their getaway. He rode that limo for a good mile before they stopped. Good times. Good times.


What a strange combination of low and high class chicanery.  The dasher was probably going to weasel out of paying for the limo too.
 
2014-01-11 12:27:02 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Tom_Slick: BunkyBrewman: Sybarite: Forcing servers to pay for dine and dash customers is against the law, but it is nonetheless very widespread in the industry.

No. It is not.

/not even if you keep repeating it, it still won't be a widespread issue

This I waited tables for 5 years at 10 different restaurants I never had to pay for a dine and dasher.  I also never had to pay for an employee meal if I didn't have one. I also never had to clock out for a break unless I left the restaurant.

Exactly my point.  I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

Thank you for actually comprehending my response.  It seems a few people around here need reading comprehension lessons.  \


Personal experience isn't the same as everyone's experience though. As someone posted up thread it's something that is reported as happening far too often.

It's the same mistake that global warming deniers make all the time... "Because it is cold where I am in the winter, global temperatures must be going down!" Which ignores the temperature records being broken in Australia and numerous other contradictory data points.

(now I've done it)
 
2014-01-11 12:29:10 PM  

Dine & dash you say?


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2014-01-11 12:30:26 PM  

pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.


It is almost as if you have totally forgotten what our federal government is getting away with on a daily basis while in Democrat hands.
 
2014-01-11 12:34:05 PM  

shlabotnik: Infernalist: shlabotnik: This is beautiful.

This guy pulls a scumbag maneuver and the article is quick to point out that he once ran for office as a Republican (which has nothing to do with the story).

Scroll down a bit and find the Orlando lady running for office with 21 arrests and try to find out which party she belongs to.

/crickets

Of the two parties, which one likes to pretend like it's the Party of Morality and Ethical Behavior?

Irrelevant, and you missed my point.

Political party has nothing to do with this article because he is not running for office. Political party has everything to do with the Orlando article because she is running for office.


Your point isn't one.

The reason why it's always a big deal when the GOP gets busted doing immoral and illegal crap is because they spend so much time and effort portraying themselves as the Moral Authority and the Party of Family Values and Christianity.

So when they get busted in a bus station bathroom offering to pay strangers for the right to blow them, or they get busted stealing from the employees, people rightfully get a hoot out of their hypocrisy and rubbing their faces in it.

Democrats?  You know they're politicians and smarmy and slick and probably corrupt(mostly), but they try to do the right thing most of the time.  That's why scandals have a hard time sticking to them, people have just accepted that most Democrats are a little corrupt and dirty but that's not a deal-breaker in their eyes.
 
2014-01-11 12:34:52 PM  

edmo: BunkyBrewman: No. It is not.

So you think taking money from people is okay and not  against the law? What country are you posting from anyway?


He might refer to dining and dashing itself. I doubt it is a very big problem.
 
2014-01-11 12:38:01 PM  
The government fines the owner but none of the money goes to the wait staff??  thats wrong.
A lot of gas station attendants tell me they have to pay if someone drives off without paying
 
2014-01-11 12:39:47 PM  

pueblonative: BunkyBrewman: Exactly my point. I have yet to see someone charged for a dine and dash customer... ever.

And because Phil Robertson turned his head quickly enough so that he never saw an incident of bigotry and persecution against the knee grows that didn't happen either, right?


Impressive, we got the duck guys in on the first page of a IHOP article.
 
2014-01-11 12:40:12 PM  

MBrady: pueblonative: What kinda jerk would make the employees pay for deadbeat customers. . .

*click link*

Evans, who ran for local office as a Republican candidate

Oh, never mind.

Just because he ran as a Republican doesn't necessarily mean he IS a Republican.  Lots of people run for local office as the opposite party to get a shot at winning.

Like Arlen Specter, who changed parties when it suited him - so that he would not lose.


Well, he's certainly acting like a Republican.
 
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