Kibbler: I...sort of am OK with Gates on this. I don't agree with him. But really what he said was, "It turned out that Obama and Biden were opposed to the war in Afghanistan. That they didn't trust the military-industrial complex to handle things. That they were simply determined to get out."Yes. Yes. Agreed. Yes. I'm perfectly OK with Gates making this case. Those who trust the military-industrial complex to wage Endless War For Freedum are free to trust it. Those of us who don't can acknowledge what Gates said. He didn't lie, or whine, at least from what I can glean from the articles (haven't read the book). He simply said that he was frustrated that Obama and Biden didn't feel comfortable turning the keys over to him and saying, "Lock up when you're done."That's right, and that's one of the reasons we voted for them.
machoprogrammer: Infernalist: machoprogrammer: Infernalist: machoprogrammer: In before circle jerk...Oh wait, too late.When you see political discourse, do you often visualize homosexual masturbation games?Or is it only when you come to Fark?Do you have a better term for this thread?Political back-and-forth? Trolls trolling trolls who are trolling?I mean, if you're seeing something else in your mind's eye, that's all you, man, I'm just wondering why most conservatives seem to fixate on gay activity.This thread is not political back and forth (with a few exceptions). It is mostly mindless love of Biden because he has a silly Onion meme and often has humorous photo-ops.You think I am conservative? Oh, wait, this is Fark Politics. Anyone who ever doesn't like a Democrat for whatever reason is a conservative. I forgot.
clambam: What's that you say? A Republican hired by a Democratic president as a show of bipartisanship turns around and bites his benefactor in the ass to drum up publicity for his new book? Color me surprised. Jon Huntsman has demonstrated that reaching across the aisle is the kiss of death in Republican politics (as Chris Christie will learn soon enough), so what choice does Gates have except to stab his former employer in the back in order to cash in?Really, at this point, in order to remain Republican you have to be stupid, greedy, racist, religiously intolerant, misogynistic, homophobic, some combination, or all of the above. I will simply never vote for a Republican candidate again, ever, for any office (I must admit, in the last election I did write in Romney's name for animal control officer). Nobody worthy of my vote would register Republican in the first place. Time for that party to die.
machoprogrammer: It is mostly mindless love of Biden because he has a silly Onion meme and often has humorous photo-ops.
Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: "Domestic political considerations would therefore be a factor, though I believe never a decisive one, in virtually every major national security problem we tackled," Gates wrote.Damn fool if, for even a fraction of a second, 'domestic policy considerations' aren't at the top of the list for every farking issue ever considered by pretty much every government on Earth since the beginning of time.
theknuckler_33: My fav Joe moment: [media.npr.org image 850x638]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3DHj1XWDIw
Dusk-You-n-Me: AlsoVP Biden on Rep. Joe Barton's Apology to BP
NewportBarGuy: Gates can shut up about Biden. At the very least he's one of the most humane people we have in higher office. He's an actual human being.The eulogy he gave for Senator Claiborne Pell was something I'll never forget.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF8rao42p6Y
jaytkay: RevRaven: I don't think anyone's surprised that people see Biden as a boob. He's been a public buffoon for years.It's so cute when AM radio listeners think their beliefs are widely held among normal people.
RevRaven: I don't think anyone's surprised that people see Biden as a boob. He's been a public buffoon for years.
Headso: Funny where it's supposedly coming from because Biden was sure right about Afghanistan. Maybe that's why Gates is butthurt?
Muta: Wasn't Gates the CIA director who gave Bush all that accurate information about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that got us involved in a war with Iraq?
toadist: Biden, well bless his heart.I would say he means well, but I don't think he means well.
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Amish Tech Support: "As I sat there, I thought: The president doesn't trust his commander, can't stand Karzai, doesn't believe in his own strategy and doesn't consider the war to be his," Gates writes. "For him, it's all about getting out."I have absolutely no problem with this whatsoever. It's exactly the way most Americans feel at this point. They are sick of the war and want out. Karzai is a snake and we are sick of giving him our tax dollars while he hides behind U.S soldiers.
A Terrible Human: Markoff_Cheney: Tax Boy: [img.fark.net image 600x398]
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