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(BusinessWeek)   White House denies Robert Gates's charge that Vice President Biden is often wrong, says they want to set the record straight that Biden is always wrong   (businessweek.com) divider line 102
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2014-01-11 10:39:13 AM
4 views and zero. In other words no one really cares what gates has to say.
 
2014-01-11 10:49:44 AM
GatesGate.
 
2014-01-11 10:59:41 AM
Funny where it's supposedly coming from because Biden was sure right about Afghanistan. Maybe that's why Gates is butthurt?
 
2014-01-11 11:03:24 AM
From the book Gates is selling - 'I was put off by the way the president closed the meeting. To his very closest advisers, he said, "For the record, and for those of you writing your memoirs, I am not making any decisions about Israel or Iran. Joe, you be my witness." I was offended by his suspicion that any of us would ever write about such sensitive matters.' LINK
 
2014-01-11 11:05:47 AM
I think every democratic candidate should make Biden their VP. He'll be VIP forever, and we'll all be happier for it.
 
2014-01-11 11:06:25 AM
Often-Wrong Biden has a broken heart - can't even tell his sons apart.
 
2014-01-11 11:07:15 AM
Fark the Gates loser. Joe Biden is the Man the ladies all want to be with and that guys all wanna be.

Joe Biden brings the muffins:

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Can double-gun ice cream:

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Has a kickass trans am:  img.gawkerassets.com

Always gets the hot chicks:

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And knows how to put Sarah Palin in her place:

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2014-01-11 11:08:43 AM

jaytkay: From the book Gates is selling - 'I was put off by the way the president closed the meeting. To his very closest advisers, he said, "For the record, and for those of you writing your memoirs, I am not making any decisions about Israel or Iran. Joe, you be my witness." I was offended by his suspicion that any of us would ever write about such sensitive matters.' LINK


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2014-01-11 11:09:02 AM
~~Jay Carney said today. "He's played a key role in every national security and policy debate."

Now they are trying to throw Joe under the bus..
 
2014-01-11 11:09:13 AM
Then I never want to be right.
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this image came up and im stickin with it.
 
2014-01-11 11:10:45 AM

Tax Boy: Fark the Gates loser. Joe Biden is the Man the ladies all want to be with and that guys all wanna be.

Joe Biden brings the muffins:

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Can double-gun ice cream:

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Has a kickass trans am:  [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]

Always gets the hot chicks:

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And knows how to put Sarah Palin in her place:

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2014-01-11 11:12:30 AM
"As I sat there, I thought: The president doesn't trust his commander, can't stand Karzai, doesn't believe in his own strategy and doesn't consider the war to be his," Gates writes. "For him, it's all about getting out."


I have absolutely no problem with this whatsoever. It's exactly the way most Americans feel at this point. They are sick of the war and want out. Karzai is a snake and we are sick of giving him our tax dollars while he hides behind U.S soldiers.
 
2014-01-11 11:15:21 AM
The only thing that this does is demonstrate that Gates' opinion of Obama and Biden doesn't reflect the majority of the country's opinion of the two men.

It also demonstrates that Obama was all about getting out of Afghanistan...the only possible sane stance for anyone looking at the situation objectively.

This actually makes Obama look better?
 
2014-01-11 11:18:06 AM

Markoff_Cheney: Tax Boy: Fark the Gates loser. Joe Biden is the Man the ladies all want to be with and that guys all wanna be.

Joe Biden brings the muffins:

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Can double-gun ice cream:

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Has a kickass trans am:  [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]

Always gets the hot chicks:

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And knows how to put Sarah Palin in her place:

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2014-01-11 11:20:18 AM

A Terrible Human: Markoff_Cheney: Tax Boy: 

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He needs to hold a national office for the sake of the meme industry alone.
 
2014-01-11 11:21:02 AM
Gates can shut up about Biden. At the very least he's one of the most humane people we have in higher office. He's an actual human being.

The eulogy he gave for Senator Claiborne Pell was something I'll never forget.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF8rao42p6Y
 
2014-01-11 11:21:27 AM
"For too many people -- including defense 'experts,' members of Congress, executive branch officials and ordinary citizens -- war has become a kind of videogame or action movie: bloodless, painless and odorless," Gates wrote. "But my years at the Pentagon left me even more skeptical of systems analysis, computer models, game theories or doctrines that suggest that war is anything other than tragic, inefficient and uncertain."

Putting boots on the ground is tragic and inefficient.

Gates accused Biden of "poisoning the well" between the White House and military leaders and criticized the vice president's preferred strategy of relying on counterterrorist strikes from afar, writing that "'Whac-A-Mole' hits on Taliban leaders weren't a long-term strategy."

But not putting boots on the ground is worse.

Obama in 2011 began questioning his own strategy for the conflict in Afghanistan, which had been opposed by some of his advisers, Gates wrote. As a candidate, Obama supported the Afghanistan war as an appropriate and deployed an additional troops to the country as president.

So Obama put more boots on the ground.

"I never doubted Obama's support for the troops, only his support for their mission," Gates writes.

But that was bad too, because he didn't like-like the idea.
 
2014-01-11 11:22:18 AM
A Terrible Human: [img.fark.net image 600x398]

I watched that debate.  Still fondly remember it.  Ryan made a big deal on interviews about "studying up" for the debate.  And he took a shellacking.

All that work and he still went down in flames that easily.

Biden- "That never happened!"
Ryan- "Yes, it did."
Biden- "That never happened.  Never."
Ryan- "I'm pretty sure it did."
Biden- "Nope.  Never.  Happened."
Ryan- "Well... I thought it did...."
 
2014-01-11 11:22:42 AM

jaytkay: From the book Gates is selling - 'I was put off by the way the president closed the meeting. To his very closest advisers, he said, "For the record, and for those of you writing your memoirs, I am not making any decisions about Israel or Iran. Joe, you be my witness." I was offended by his suspicion that any of us would ever write about such sensitive matters.' LINK


Yes, I cannot IMAGINE why the President would think such a thing, or why he'd say something so "off-putting" that we now only know he said because the guy wrote it in a book.  I bet he was eating crackers while he said it.
 
2014-01-11 11:27:21 AM
Biden conveys more truth in 3 memes than Gates does in a whole book.

/ a bunch of malarkey
 
2014-01-11 11:28:15 AM
It's also pretty fair to say that Karzai will hear about this book. It will only damage U.S - Afghan relation even further while we still have troop there. Gates should have at least waited until the war was over. It's very petty. Gates is harming the war effort he claims to support.
 
ecl
2014-01-11 11:29:35 AM
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I forgot all about this.  The look on those two dudes faces is priceless.
 
2014-01-11 11:30:09 AM
I am really glad Robert Gates is slated to be the next BSA President.  I mean, given the excerpts here today, we really need someone who can instill integrity in the future leaders of tomorrow.

From the book Gates is selling - 'I was put off by the way the president closed the meeting. To his very closest advisers, he said, "For the record, and for those of you writing your memoirs, I am not making any decisions about Israel or Iran. Joe, you be my witness." I was offended by his suspicion that any of us would ever write about such sensitive matters.'

No, I take that back, Gates was offended at the time, like he wrote.  Since seeing potential $$$, Gates has become less offended because it doesn't take a genius to see how hypocritical this is.  But again, he wrote about how offended he was at the time, because you know, $$$.

A Scout is TRUSTWORTHY, LOYAL, HELPFUL, FRIENDLY, COURTEOUS, KIND, OBEDIENT, CHEERFUL, THRITY, BRAVE, CLEAN, AND REVERENT (AND APPARENTLY, IN HIS CASE, HYPOCRITICAL).
 
2014-01-11 11:31:47 AM

Amish Tech Support: "As I sat there, I thought: The president doesn't trust his commander, can't stand Karzai, doesn't believe in his own strategy and doesn't consider the war to be his," Gates writes. "For him, it's all about getting out."


I have absolutely no problem with this whatsoever. It's exactly the way most Americans feel at this point. They are sick of the war and want out. Karzai is a snake and we are sick of giving him our tax dollars while he hides behind U.S soldiers.


Really? President Obama doesn't consider a war started in 2001 by President Bush to be his (guess he also denied having his time machine) and wants to get out of it? The guy CAMPAIGNED on ending these bullshiat wars.  This is not news. And most people are sick of this war and sick of paying for this war. My tax dollars have been funding this crap for almost half my adult life.  I'm glad he wants to end that war. I just wish it had been ended sooner.
 
2014-01-11 11:35:03 AM

ecl: I forgot all about this. The look on those two dudes faces is priceless


And the President of the club's name is apparently Troll. That's awesome.  Biden trolled Troll.
 
ecl
2014-01-11 11:39:42 AM
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2014-01-11 11:40:30 AM
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ecl
2014-01-11 11:41:40 AM

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You can tell Biden has a boner.

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2014-01-11 11:41:41 AM

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The scene was plainly and obviously staged for the cameras, but goddamm if they didn't do a good job of making him look good.
 
2014-01-11 11:42:12 AM
I...sort of am OK with Gates on this.  I don't agree with him.  But really what he said was, "It turned out that Obama and Biden were opposed to the war in Afghanistan.  That they didn't trust the military-industrial complex to handle things.  That they were simply determined to get out."

Yes.  Yes.  Agreed.  Yes.  I'm perfectly OK with Gates making this case.  Those who trust the military-industrial complex to wage Endless War For Freedum are free to trust it.  Those of us who don't can acknowledge what Gates said.  He didn't lie, or whine, at least from what I can glean from the articles (haven't read the book).  He simply said that he was frustrated that Obama and Biden didn't feel comfortable turning the keys over to him and saying, "Lock up when you're done."

That's right, and that's one of the reasons we voted for them.
 
2014-01-11 11:43:09 AM
Lawrence O'Donnell of all people, explains.
 
2014-01-11 11:44:12 AM

Kibbler: I...sort of am OK with Gates on this.  I don't agree with him.  But really what he said was, "It turned out that Obama and Biden were opposed to the war in Afghanistan.  That they didn't trust the military-industrial complex to handle things.  That they were simply determined to get out."

Yes.  Yes.  Agreed.  Yes.  I'm perfectly OK with Gates making this case.  Those who trust the military-industrial complex to wage Endless War For Freedum are free to trust it.  Those of us who don't can acknowledge what Gates said.  He didn't lie, or whine, at least from what I can glean from the articles (haven't read the book).  He simply said that he was frustrated that Obama and Biden didn't feel comfortable turning the keys over to him and saying, "Lock up when you're done."

That's right, and that's one of the reasons we voted for them.


What I said already.  He got paid big $$$ to write a book that basically reaffirms what we all already knew: The Obama Administration's primary military goal was to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq ASAP.  Which is, again, the only sane stance a person can take after objectively looking at the situation.
 
2014-01-11 11:44:30 AM
The most recent Onion article on Biden has him frantically hitting up staff for "clean piss".

I would vote him VP for life if given the option.
 
2014-01-11 11:45:17 AM

Amish Tech Support: "As I sat there, I thought: The president doesn't trust his commander, can't stand Karzai, doesn't believe in his own strategy and doesn't consider the war to be his," Gates writes. "For him, it's all about getting out."


I have absolutely no problem with this whatsoever. It's exactly the way most Americans feel at this point. They are sick of the war and want out. Karzai is a snake and we are sick of giving him our tax dollars while he hides behind U.S soldiers.


while they feel this way now it's been two and a half years since Gates left. it's far past time for us to get out. fark Karzi and his corrupt family and friends.

if Afghanistan ends up like Iraq -- well too bad. i'll be sorry for the women and young girls who will no longer have a future but screw the rest of the population. we need to drone strike the poppy fields and the occasional warlord just to remind them that harboring terrorists isn't in their best interests.
 
ecl
2014-01-11 11:47:17 AM

Kibbler: I...sort of am OK with Gates on this.  I don't agree with him.  But really what he said was, "It turned out that Obama and Biden were opposed to the war in Afghanistan.  That they didn't trust the military-industrial complex to handle things.  That they were simply determined to get out."

Yes.  Yes.  Agreed.  Yes.  I'm perfectly OK with Gates making this case.  Those who trust the military-industrial complex to wage Endless War For Freedum are free to trust it.  Those of us who don't can acknowledge what Gates said.  He didn't lie, or whine, at least from what I can glean from the articles (haven't read the book).  He simply said that he was frustrated that Obama and Biden didn't feel comfortable turning the keys over to him and saying, "Lock up when you're done."

That's right, and that's one of the reasons we voted for them.

 
2014-01-11 11:50:08 AM
Wasn't Gates the CIA director who gave Bush all that accurate information about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that got us involved in a war with Iraq?
 
2014-01-11 11:51:25 AM

NewportBarGuy: Gates can shut up about Biden. At the very least he's one of the most humane people we have in higher office. He's an actual human being.

The eulogy he gave for Senator Claiborne Pell was something I'll never forget.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF8rao42p6Y


ignoring all politics, you have to be a bit of a dick to dislike the man as a person.
and the Vp debate was my favorite highlight of the election season.  I ended up getting pretty drunk and watching it twice, and the fark thread was a sight to behold.
 
2014-01-11 11:52:23 AM

MSFT: The most recent Onion article on Biden has him frantically hitting up staff for "clean piss".

I would vote him VP for life if given the option.


You can't just say that and not link it.
 
2014-01-11 12:07:11 PM
"joe biden ice cream" is one of the most rewarding google image searches ever. The man likes himself some ice cream, that's for sure.

vicepresidents.com
 
2014-01-11 12:09:56 PM
Biden,  well bless his heart.


I would say he means well,  but I don't think he means well.
 
2014-01-11 12:17:29 PM

toadist: Biden,  well bless his heart.


I would say he means well,  but I don't think he means well.


There ya go.
 
2014-01-11 12:25:27 PM

Muta: Wasn't Gates the CIA director who gave Bush all that accurate information about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that got us involved in a war with Iraq?



He was also involved in Iran-Contra, but when he testified, he "couldn't recall."  Have to wonder if his Reagan era Alzheimers stayed with him all these years.
 
2014-01-11 12:26:27 PM

A Terrible Human: MSFT: The most recent Onion article on Biden has him frantically hitting up staff for "clean piss".

I would vote him VP for life if given the option.

You can't just say that and not link it.


Enjoy. http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden -frantically-hitting-up-cabinet- members-for-c,34515/
 
2014-01-11 12:35:38 PM

jaytkay: From the book Gates is selling - 'I was put off by the way the president closed the meeting. To his very closest advisers, he said, "For the record, and for those of you writing your memoirs, I am not making any decisions about Israel or Iran. Joe, you be my witness." I was offended by his suspicion that any of us would ever write about such sensitive matters.' LINK


Why...  Why would he even INCLUDE that in his book?
 
2014-01-11 12:41:32 PM
Someone needs to sell some books.........................
 
2014-01-11 12:42:22 PM

Fantasta Potamus: A Terrible Human: MSFT: The most recent Onion article on Biden has him frantically hitting up staff for "clean piss".

I would vote him VP for life if given the option.

You can't just say that and not link it.

Enjoy. http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden -frantically-hitting-up-cabinet- members-for-c,34515/


That was even better than I thought it would be,thank you.
 
2014-01-11 01:15:21 PM
I don't think anyone's surprised that people see Biden as a boob. He's been a public buffoon for years.
 
2014-01-11 01:22:19 PM

Headso: Funny where it's supposedly coming from because Biden was sure right about Afghanistan. Maybe that's why Gates is butthurt?


This. Gates backed McChyystal on the failed Afghanistan surge policy whereas Biden wanted a smaller, more focused force to train Afghans and only strike AQ targets directly, which we eventually shifted our policy to after the surge failed. 

"The Rolling Stone article anonymously quoted McChrystal's aides as criticizing President Barack Obama's team, including Vice President Joe Biden. Biden had disagreed with McChrystal's strategy that called for more troops in Afghanistan. Biden preferred to send a smaller counterterrorism and training force -- a policy the White House is now considering as it transitions troops from the Afghan war."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/05/mcchrystal-takes-blame-fo r- rolling-stone-article/ 

I can't believe I quoted fox news.
/ifeeldirty
 
2014-01-11 01:24:43 PM

RevRaven: I don't think anyone's surprised that people see Biden as a boob. He's been a public buffoon for years.


How does it feel to know that the last 2 people that the GOP wanted as Vice-President got schooled on national TV repeatedly by a 'buffoon?'
 
2014-01-11 01:27:13 PM

MSFT: The most recent Onion article on Biden has him frantically hitting up staff for "clean piss".

I would vote him VP for life if given the option.


Love to see him as Hillary's vp.
 
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