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2014-01-11 10:44:00 AM  
The original vinyl were analog obviously, but are the new ones digital transfers to analog? I assume so, that would make them not true vinyl to me.
 
2014-01-11 10:49:38 AM  

Laobaojun: Any Farker electrical engineer: how hard would it be to come up with a filter that degrades CD quality down to vinyl quality?  Seriously,  I am tired of old folks and effete ironists insisting that vinyl is better, when it should be easy to provide a "crappy vinyl sound" button next to the bass and treble.



You're missing the point. For those who love vinyl, it's that "crappy vinyl sound" that they like. That soft rhythmic whirl of the turntable with the occasional hiss and pop has a soothing quality, it makes the music feel alive. Listening to an album all the way through, one song at a time, is an adventure in sound, something that getting lost in today digital age where you don't even need buy an whole album anymore.

Similar with Autotune. Now any shmuck can make a perfectly produced album with the most optimum sound quality thanks to Autotune but it hard for it to have the soul as albums that are cut on tape. I guarantee if you went back in time and had Fleetwood Mac make Rumors with Autotune on a technical level the sound quality would be perfect but it would not sound as good as the original cut
 
2014-01-11 10:50:16 AM  

Shadowknight: Same in every hobbyist field. In photography, you still have a lot of holdouts using old school film, even if the couple of small advantages it has over digital doesn't come close to justifying the trouble and expense. Some people just like the smell of darkroom chemicals and the ritual of swapping out roles of film.

I'm not one of them, and I'll keep my 5D, thanks. But everyone had to have a passion I guess.


Eh, for many people the ritual itself with the hobby becomes a nice relaxing part of the enjoyment.  Heck I like to listen to old music on record players because the pop and crackle gives it character.  Well or more likely my brain tells me that old music should have that quality and it feels (to me) cosmically righter hearing it that way.
 
2014-01-11 10:58:00 AM  

dennysgod: Laobaojun: Any Farker electrical engineer: how hard would it be to come up with a filter that degrades CD quality down to vinyl quality?  Seriously,  I am tired of old folks and effete ironists insisting that vinyl is better, when it should be easy to provide a "crappy vinyl sound" button next to the bass and treble.


You're missing the point. For those who love vinyl, it's that "crappy vinyl sound" that they like. That soft rhythmic whirl of the turntable with the occasional hiss and pop has a soothing quality, it makes the music feel alive. Listening to an album all the way through, one song at a time, is an adventure in sound, something that getting lost in today digital age where you don't even need buy an whole album anymore.

Similar with Autotune. Now any shmuck can make a perfectly produced album with the most optimum sound quality thanks to Autotune but it hard for it to have the soul as albums that are cut on tape. I guarantee if you went back in time and had Fleetwood Mac make Rumors with Autotune on a technical level the sound quality would be perfect but it would not sound as good as the original cut


That's exactly my point!  It shouldn't be hard to have a filter that puts all that fuzzy stuff onto the clean recordings.  Everyone happy, except purists who will never be happy.
 
2014-01-11 11:05:47 AM  
It is fun to go out an collect records.

I found some cool early Clash and Minutemen records last year.  I was pretty psyched.  Call me whatever you want.

FeedTheCollapse: stoli n coke: I don't get the reasoning behind KIndles. I can't see having to make sure an electrical device is fully charged every time I want to read for a few hours, when I could just grab a book, find a light source, sit down, and read

because a Kindle can easily hold thousands of books. If I finish one book, I can move onto the next, which is especially helpful if I'm not reading at home. Also I only have to charge my Kindle about once a week if I keep my Wi-Fi on, otherwise it can go weeks without recharging.


This was a giant debate in library school.  My answer was always, "why not both."  The Kindle is easier to read on the train, you can instandly purchase books, and some have a back light.  Physical books have all of their classic advantages.

Why does it have to be one or the other.
 
2014-01-11 11:16:14 AM  
Learn to play an instrument you lazy farks.
 
2014-01-11 11:19:41 AM  
All my vinyl is from before he major labels stopped making vinyl like early to mid 90s that I bought back before I had a cd player.

Get off my lawn.
 
2014-01-11 11:21:10 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Learn to play an instrument you lazy farks.


This is a new one and I love it.
 
2014-01-11 11:27:46 AM  

wozzeck: /The first new car my dad ever had was a brown Buick Riviera with 8-track...unfortunately the only tape he had was one that came with the car, disco hits including Disco Duck and Kung Fu fighting.


I had no idea Buick used this marketing technique.
 
2014-01-11 11:31:07 AM  

John Buck 41: wozzeck: /The first new car my dad ever had was a brown Buick Riviera with 8-track...unfortunately the only tape he had was one that came with the car, disco hits including Disco Duck and Kung Fu fighting.

I had no idea Buick used this marketing technique.


My dad had a white Electra with the same 8-track tape!
 
2014-01-11 11:32:06 AM  
Vinyl can sound fantastic... IF it's in good condition, clean deep in the grooves, and played on a properly set up and adjusted good quality turntable and cartridge, through a properly set up and good quality phono preamp, amp, and speakers. If you're not willing to go through the steps to achieve that quality, you can expect noisy, ratty, crappy sound from your records. That simple.

Likewise, digital can sound fantastic... IF it's mastered properly through a decent D/A conversion stage, not compressed to a brick wall, and the bitrate and bit depth is kept up. Otherwise, it will sound craptacular.

You can't expect to spin your thrift store dirty-ass records on your plastic Crosley retro fake-wood $69.95 player with the plastic tonearm and plastic platter and get to sonic nirvana. Likewise, you can't expect top quality digital audio from an iPod and a pair of earbuds.

Digital or analog, vinyl or CD makes no difference as to whether something sounds good or not. None whatsoever. It all boils down to garbage in, garbage out.
 
2014-01-11 11:32:35 AM  

Gunny Highway: FeedTheCollapse: stoli n coke: I don't get the reasoning behind KIndles. I can't see having to make sure an electrical device is fully charged every time I want to read for a few hours, when I could just grab a book, find a light source, sit down, and read

because a Kindle can easily hold thousands of books. If I finish one book, I can move onto the next, which is especially helpful if I'm not reading at home. Also I only have to charge my Kindle about once a week if I keep my Wi-Fi on, otherwise it can go weeks without recharging.

This was a giant debate in library school.  My answer was always, "why not both."  The Kindle is easier to read on the train, you can instandly purchase books, and some have a back light.  Physical books have all of their classic advantages.

Why does it have to be one or the other.


well, I wasn't really arguing that it has to be one or the other, just explaining the appeal of Kindle.

For what it's worth, I think that there does seem to be a heavy amount of ignorance on the Anti-Kindle side and with their argument for books not extending much deeper than "I like the smells." That said, I don't think the physical medium for books is ever really going to go away, but that has more to do with a desire for a physical product that can't be easily deleted than huffing books like they're scented markers or some shiat.
 
2014-01-11 11:35:43 AM  

LewDux: stoli n coke: Yep. Vinyl collecting is the music fan equivalent of collecting baseball cards.

Link


who the fark wrote that?  its a goddamned essay on baseball card\vinyl collecting, but reads like a farking master's thesis.

Big words do not get your point across.

"The limited edition, once a reasonable countermeasure to over-serving demand, has become the groan-inducing lingua franca of the vinylsphere."

what?
 
2014-01-11 11:36:20 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: Gunny Highway: FeedTheCollapse: stoli n coke: I don't get the reasoning behind KIndles. I can't see having to make sure an electrical device is fully charged every time I want to read for a few hours, when I could just grab a book, find a light source, sit down, and read

because a Kindle can easily hold thousands of books. If I finish one book, I can move onto the next, which is especially helpful if I'm not reading at home. Also I only have to charge my Kindle about once a week if I keep my Wi-Fi on, otherwise it can go weeks without recharging.

This was a giant debate in library school.  My answer was always, "why not both."  The Kindle is easier to read on the train, you can instandly purchase books, and some have a back light.  Physical books have all of their classic advantages.

Why does it have to be one or the other.

well, I wasn't really arguing that it has to be one or the other, just explaining the appeal of Kindle.

For what it's worth, I think that there does seem to be a heavy amount of ignorance on the Anti-Kindle side and with their argument for books not extending much deeper than "I like the smells." That said, I don't think the physical medium for books is ever really going to go away, but that has more to do with a desire for a physical product that can't be easily deleted than huffing books like they're scented markers or some shiat.


Agreed on all accounting.  The smell thing drives me nuts.  Book smell makes me have to shiat.

John Buck 41: wozzeck: /The first new car my dad ever had was a brown Buick Riviera with 8-track...unfortunately the only tape he had was one that came with the car, disco hits including Disco Duck and Kung Fu fighting.

I had no idea Buick used this marketing technique.


Cheers, friend!  Much appreciated.
 
2014-01-11 11:38:10 AM  

Laobaojun: Seriously,  I am tired of old folks and effete ironists insisting that vinyl is better


Why?  Your shiny, new "ONES AND ZEROS ONLY!!11!!" future is an option, not a requirement.  Or are you one of those fascists?  *snort*
 
2014-01-11 11:42:54 AM  

Gunny Highway: The smell thing drives me nuts.  Book smell makes me have to shiat.


it's not even a bad smell, it's just a "really, that's what your argument hinges on?" thing. It's sort of like the "You can't break apart your weed on an MP3!" argument for vinyl, but more Ralph Wiggum-esque.
 
2014-01-11 11:44:48 AM  

Laobaojun: dennysgod: Laobaojun: Any Farker electrical engineer: how hard would it be to come up with a filter that degrades CD quality down to vinyl quality?  Seriously,  I am tired of old folks and effete ironists insisting that vinyl is better, when it should be easy to provide a "crappy vinyl sound" button next to the bass and treble.


You're missing the point. For those who love vinyl, it's that "crappy vinyl sound" that they like. That soft rhythmic whirl of the turntable with the occasional hiss and pop has a soothing quality, it makes the music feel alive. Listening to an album all the way through, one song at a time, is an adventure in sound, something that getting lost in today digital age where you don't even need buy an whole album anymore.

Similar with Autotune. Now any shmuck can make a perfectly produced album with the most optimum sound quality thanks to Autotune but it hard for it to have the soul as albums that are cut on tape. I guarantee if you went back in time and had Fleetwood Mac make Rumors with Autotune on a technical level the sound quality would be perfect but it would not sound as good as the original cut

That's exactly my point!  It shouldn't be hard to have a filter that puts all that fuzzy stuff onto the clean recordings.  Everyone happy, except purists who will never be happy.



Yeah, you're on to something, but it won't ever fly with the vinyl "enthusiast" community because they're enamored with the placebo effect, essentially. "Warmth" and "Soul" are vague terms that people use so that they don't have to use more precise language which makes what they're trying to argue for sound dumb. "Noise" is the term they're trying so hard to avoid. Vinyl has more noise. Due to the placebo effect they have convinced themselves that vinyl sounds better, and so think so despite this extra noise and lower sound resolution.

CD's have a range greater than your ear can discern, vinyl does not. MP3's are lossy, but the bit rate makes a big difference. At 320 kbps MP3's sound damn good, and mathematically better than vinyl. Now that storage space has come down in price so much 320 kbps MP3's aren't just feasible, they're all I use these days (so I can get better bass and sounds in general when listening in my car on my long commutes than I used to get at 128 kbps).

Back in the day when I bought my first MP3 player and was limited to using 32 MB or 64 MB flash cards 128 kbps was a trade-off we needed to make. These days though my music is stored on hard drives in the terabyte size range and my mobile devices use 32 GB and 64 GB microSD cards, so 320 kbps is totally doable.

It's like having an old car though. There's charm in it for some people, which I can understand, but to claim that they perform better than newer cars is just categorically untrue. Enjoy the charm if you want, but you'd sound ridiculous claiming that the old car is better practically than new ones. Newer cars are demonstrably safer (by large margins), have more features and have engines that perform better as well - even if raw MPG figures don't seem to have risen so much (this may be misleading as the extra efficiency engineers have squeezed out of modern engines has been put to use powering new or more powerful features such as better climate control, and also moving heavier vehicles in many cases).
 
2014-01-11 11:51:13 AM  

John Buck 41: wozzeck: /The first new car my dad ever had was a brown Buick Riviera with 8-track...unfortunately the only tape he had was one that came with the car, disco hits including Disco Duck and Kung Fu fighting.

I had no idea Buick used this marketing technique.


No one can resist the call of the Disco Duck.  No wonder he bought the Buick!  :-P

BTW... That's much for the TF. Mighty generous of you, good sir. If you're ever gonna be in southern Iowa, let me know & I'll buy you a beer or 3... Seriously!    :-)
 
2014-01-11 11:51:33 AM  
vinyl can suck it, us REAL audio nerds know that pure analog auditory bliss can only be obtained through a reel to reel machine running at 15ips.

(and I'm only being mildly sarcastic here.  back in the day, the real hi-fi enthusiast had a reel to reel deck.  the sound was superior to vinyl but the physical format left something to be desired)
 
2014-01-11 11:52:01 AM  

mongbiohazard: Yeah, you're on to something, but it won't ever fly with the vinyl "enthusiast" community because they're enamored with the placebo effect, essentially. "Warmth" and "Soul" are vague terms that people use so that they don't have to use more precise language which makes what they're trying to argue for sound dumb. "Noise" is the term they're trying so hard to avoid. Vinyl has more noise. Due to the placebo effect they have convinced themselves that vinyl sounds better, and so think so despite this extra noise and lower sound resolution.


Mmmmm, no, that's not it but I think you got the first paragraph of a sketchy pysch 101 paper.   :  )
 
2014-01-11 11:57:08 AM  
mongbiohazard:

"Warmth" and "Soul" are vague terms that people use so that they don't have to use more precise language which makes what they're trying to argue for sound dumb. "Noise" is the term they're trying so hard to avoid. Vinyl has more noise. Due to the placebo effect they have convinced themselves that vinyl sounds better, and so think so despite this extra noise and lower sound resolution.

I can't speak for all vinyl listeners, but I despise noise. Most of my records are pretty quiet, and some are even dead-quiet. I have several commercially made CDs of some classic jazz albums, as well as the vinyl. A lot of the time, the vinyl IS better. My old late 50s Columbia 6-eye LP of Brubeck's "Time Out" LP trumps the CD, because you can hear the room ambience that's missing somewhat from the CD. It's not always the case, but sometimes, it is.
 
2014-01-11 12:02:53 PM  

stoli n coke: sarajlewis83: My husband would love it if I would get rid of my music collection in "physical form". Can't/won't do it. There is something about owning the physical product that appeals to me. Also why I continue to buy real books rather than a Kindle, I guess.

/748 CDs and counting....
//.... not including any burned CDs
///at least it's not 748 LPs space-wise


I don't get the reasoning behind KIndles. I can't see having to make sure an electrical device is fully charged every time I want to read for a few hours, when I could just grab a book, find a light source, sit down, and read.

As for the CDs, a good idea is to go through them, figure out which ones you only bought for 1 or 2 songs, upload them into iTunes, and take them to a music shop and sell them. Then, keep the ones that have lots of songs you still listen to.

Did that when I first got iTunes. Because of that, my first iPod only cost me about 35 bucks out of pocket, and i freed up an entire bookcase.


I got one of the old-school kindles a couple of years back (text only, no backlight), and the thing lasts for over a month on a single charge. Since I don't use it everyday, it's actually closer to every two months that I wind up charging the thing (which doesn't even take as long as a cell phone to charge).
 
2014-01-11 12:03:07 PM  
The out of hand dismissal of vinyl is largely propagated by people who not only have never heard vinyl on a really well made system in a room tailored for playback.  And that's understandable.  What is not understandable is the vitriol that accompanies their clapped out screeds of "OMG U R all teh oldzor hipsters!"  You think hipsters and old people are a pain in the ass?  Try wading through a 24 pic post on Imgur that is essentially Call of Duty screen shots explaining how wai kewl that particular game was.  Try listening to a two hour ping pong match between an Apple fanboi and a Winblows luser.  Then wait for the Nix / Nux wanker to chime in and watch the piss flow.  It's all a bunch of brand allegiance wankefest malarkey.  And it's monotonous.  The two playback mediums do have different characteristics and believe me, an .mp3 on some POS  earbuds over a 2.39 preamp in a phone really isn't "better".  Neither is an LP on some old tin box with a needle the size of a nail.  But it's about the music, you weenies.  Not the tech.  And I can see where this might sound heretical to anybody born after 1980, but, uh, so f*cking what?  Yanno?  Frankie says relax.
 
2014-01-11 12:03:12 PM  

mongbiohazard: There's charm in it for some people, which I can understand, but to claim that they perform better than newer cars is just categorically untrue. Enjoy the charm if you want, but you'd sound ridiculous claiming that the old car is better practically than new ones.


I agree with you. I tell people this all the time - you can make a cd sound EXACTLY like a vinyl record.  You can NOT however make a vinyl record sound like a cd.

that warmth people talk about is surface noise and it SUCKS.
 
2014-01-11 12:07:46 PM  

bunner: Mmmmm, no, that's not it but I think you got the first paragraph of a sketchy pysch 101 paper. : )


actually that IS it, 100 percent.  there was a study done awhile back, where a vinyl record was blind AB'd against an uncompressed CD made from a rip of that same vinyl.

no one could tell the difference.  all the shiat about waveforms, warmth, "ambiance" is just that - shiat, because the real word is "noise".

A compact disc is sonically superior to vinyl in every respect.  period.
 
2014-01-11 12:11:36 PM  

frepnog: I tell people this all the time - you can make a cd sound EXACTLY like a vinyl record


Well, no.  You can add algorithmic simulacra of noise artifacts of a worn out record on a crap system, but, frankly, I use algorithms every day to mix recordings and most of them are 2987569872984758 flavors of vanilla that do the same thing, poorly.  This is the only industry on earth where we are being sold an endless bunch of software that's guaranteed to "SOUND JUST LIKE" all the sh*t we were told we had to throw away.  And it doesn't.  It does what it does and not that well and most of what makes a good record is always going to be a good band playing a good song, and playing it well.  Thank God.  Rubbing some digital dirt on something doesn't make it sound "just like" anything other than something that has some dirt rubbed on it.  At the end of the day, it's a box of almost that has been put in sufficient order to sound palatable.  The whole thing is fake as hell, but then again, records and movies ARE fakery.  Tons of it.  Glorious, engaging fakery.  Always have been.  This is why record producers and film editors eat well.
 
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2014-01-11 12:11:58 PM  

superspeck: vinyl can suck it, us REAL audio nerds know that pure analog auditory bliss can only be obtained through a reel to reel machine running at 15ips.


15ips? i guess if you are into lo-fi garbage. try 30.
 
2014-01-11 12:13:18 PM  

frepnog: a vinyl record was blind AB'd against an uncompressed CD made from a rip of that same vinyl


Fancy that.

frepnog: A compact disc is sonically superior to vinyl in every respect.  period.


Sieg heil, kid.
 
2014-01-11 12:13:32 PM  

GibbyTheMole: mongbiohazard:

"Warmth" and "Soul" are vague terms that people use so that they don't have to use more precise language which makes what they're trying to argue for sound dumb. "Noise" is the term they're trying so hard to avoid. Vinyl has more noise. Due to the placebo effect they have convinced themselves that vinyl sounds better, and so think so despite this extra noise and lower sound resolution.

I can't speak for all vinyl listeners, but I despise noise. Most of my records are pretty quiet, and some are even dead-quiet. I have several commercially made CDs of some classic jazz albums, as well as the vinyl. A lot of the time, the vinyl IS better. My old late 50s Columbia 6-eye LP of Brubeck's "Time Out" LP trumps the CD, because you can hear the room ambience that's missing somewhat from the CD. It's not always the case, but sometimes, it is.



That's most likely because the CD's are actually reproducing the noisy old format they were mastered from more accurately than the vinyl is. It could also be because the masters have deteriorated in the time prior to being mastered to digital.

But it is plain and simple fact that CD's are capable of higher quality sound reproduction than vinyl. There's no debate, it's objective fact due to the capabilities of each medium. If you prefer your music to be from a lower fidelity, noisier, medium then knock yourself out. The hiss, bump and tinnier sound of vinyl may appeal to you and remind you of the halcyon days of yesteryear. Maybe you just like it that way, and the clean and accurate reproduction of sound doesn't appeal to you as much. Cool beans. Enjoy it. Have fun, we all want you to be happy.

Don't try and argue that they sound better though... they simply do not. It's objective fact. Better is not the same as personally preferable.
 
2014-01-11 12:17:12 PM  

mongbiohazard: The hiss, bump and tinnier sound of vinyl may appeal to you


Which is exactly what you get when you play old 78's with a drywall screw for a needle.  Vinyl playback is expensive, Jack.  And you can't txt UR bff with the turntable, so I can see where it's limiting.  And 45's were always sh*t.  They were the .mp3 of their day.
 
2014-01-11 12:17:19 PM  

frepnog: bunner: Mmmmm, no, that's not it but I think you got the first paragraph of a sketchy pysch 101 paper. : )

actually that IS it, 100 percent.  there was a study done awhile back, where a vinyl record was blind AB'd against an uncompressed CD made from a rip of that same vinyl.

no one could tell the difference.  all the shiat about waveforms, warmth, "ambiance" is just that - shiat, because the real word is "noise".

A compact disc is sonically superior to vinyl in every respect.  period.



When someone has deluded themselves in to believing something counter-factual they will defend their delusion vigorously. Once they allow themselves to question one delusion it would call in to question a whole range of their beliefs, and they don't want to go down that road.
 
2014-01-11 12:18:01 PM  

mongbiohazard: When someone has deluded themselves in to believing something counter-factual they will defend their delusion vigorously.


Boy howdy.
 
2014-01-11 12:20:09 PM  
You want to find the guy in the room with no hands on experience with both methods being debated in any given discussion?  Look for the guy slinging absolutes with a dash of sneering superiority.  Anybody selling absolutes should be given a wide berth, IMHO.
 
2014-01-11 12:20:33 PM  
It is a fun hobby.
 
2014-01-11 12:22:07 PM  

bunner: You want to find the guy in the room with no hands on experience with both methods being debated in any given discussion?  Look for the guy slinging absolutes with a dash of sneering superiority.  Anybody selling absolutes should be given a wide berth, IMHO.



You're spinning faster than a 78.

Keep it up as long as you want true believer, but your chosen belief doesn't change the bit rate capabilities of digital and physical media.
 
2014-01-11 12:23:51 PM  
And, frankly, until the people touting either medium too heavily can show me one paycheck they cashed that was received because they were capable of critical listening - which, no, doesn't mean pissing and moaning about how the band sold out by playing Coachella while the /mp3 plays - I'm not gonna lose any sleep over your opinions.
 
2014-01-11 12:24:50 PM  

mongbiohazard: When someone has deluded themselves in to believing something counter-factual they will defend their delusion vigorously. Once they allow themselves to question one delusion it would call in to question a whole range of their beliefs, and they don't want to go down that road.


well it is how companies take advantage of "audiophiles" with shiat like 600 dollar power outlets, "brilliant pebbles", and other nonsense.

bunner: You can add algorithmic simulacra of noise artifacts of a worn out record on a crap system, but, frankly, I use algorithms every day to mix recordings and most of them are 2987569872984758 flavors of vanilla that do the same thing, poorly. This is the only industry on earth where we are being sold an endless bunch of software that's guaranteed to "SOUND JUST LIKE" all the sh*t we were told we had to throw away. And it doesn't. It does what it does and not that well and most of what makes a good record is always going to be a good band playing a good song, and playing it well. Thank God. Rubbing some digital dirt on something doesn't make it sound "just like" anything other than something that has some dirt rubbed on it.


Record a vinyl record to uncompressed wav.  Convert that wav to redbook audio.  Burn.

Voila.  You have a cd that is indistinguishable to human ears from the vinyl original.

If you say you can hear the difference, well, you are either superman....  or lying.
 
2014-01-11 12:25:42 PM  
mongbiohazard: keep it up as long as you want true believer,

Do you ever put any film in that projector, because you are seriously hilarious.  ABSOLUTES!  SCIENCE!  Oh, Prunella.
 
2014-01-11 12:27:16 PM  

bunner: mongbiohazard: The hiss, bump and tinnier sound of vinyl may appeal to you

Which is exactly what you get when you play old 78's with a drywall screw for a needle.  Vinyl playback is expensive, Jack.  And you can't txt UR bff with the turntable, so I can see where it's limiting.  And 45's were always sh*t.  They were the .mp3 of their day.


Is it just me or is the "you have to constantly upkeep it and spend a lot of $$$ to make the medium sound good" explanation rather counter-intuitive?
 
2014-01-11 12:27:52 PM  

frepnog: Record a vinyl record to uncompressed wav.  Convert that wav to redbook audio.  Burn


Why would I want to do that when I can just go to Sh*tMart and , buy a CD?  Like all things analogue, the signal chain dictates the quality.  CDs are much more forgiving because they just barf up whatever math is on them.  And very well, I might add.  I own several.  Very handy.
 
2014-01-11 12:28:04 PM  

bunner: Anybody selling absolutes should be given a wide berth, IMHO.


in cases where there is little more than differences of opinion, sure.

People who carry the opinion that vinyl is superior to cd however are unfortunately wrong in their opinion, and it can be scientifically proven that they are, in fact, wrong.

Some people can sleep in a silent room.  Others require white noise.

Its a similar phenomenon.
 
2014-01-11 12:28:15 PM  

frepnog: mongbiohazard: There's charm in it for some people, which I can understand, but to claim that they perform better than newer cars is just categorically untrue. Enjoy the charm if you want, but you'd sound ridiculous claiming that the old car is better practically than new ones.

I agree with you. I tell people this all the time - you can make a cd sound EXACTLY like a vinyl record.  You can NOT however make a vinyl record sound like a cd.

that warmth people talk about is surface noise and it SUCKS.


I see you have tinnitus.
 
2014-01-11 12:28:35 PM  
For those of us old enough to remember, there was a time when vinyl could sound better than CD's.  I jumped on the CD player bandwagon early on, and was massively disappointed when I started buying replacement copies of some of my favorite vinyl on the new format.  Even with a good player and stereo a lot of the original transfers coming out back then sounded horrible.  I remember distinctly my Led Zeppelin II cd sounding like I was listening with earmuffs on.  There's been a lot of advancements since then.
 
2014-01-11 12:30:12 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: Is it just me or is the "you have to constantly upkeep it and spend a lot of $$$ to make the medium sound good" explanation rather counter-intuitive?


Well, actually, you don't.  You just gotta get something worth owning and maintain it.  Counter intuitive?  Beats me.  Some people thing turning wrenches on their '66 Nova is bliss.  And I'm sort of fine with that, really.  You're always gonna have the noodlers for whom the point of any technology is pissing about with th technology and not utilizing it for what it does.  Works for me.
 
2014-01-11 12:31:11 PM  

bunner: mongbiohazard: keep it up as long as you want true believer,

Do you ever put any film in that projector, because you are seriously hilarious.  ABSOLUTES!  SCIENCE!  Oh, Prunella.



And you'll never even stop to think why you're getting so upset and defensive. That's the nature of delusion for ya...
 
2014-01-11 12:36:25 PM  

x23: superspeck: vinyl can suck it, us REAL audio nerds know that pure analog auditory bliss can only be obtained through a reel to reel machine running at 15ips.

15ips? i guess if you are into lo-fi garbage. try 30.


I'm talking for consumers.  Personally, I always made sure I was in the studio when an album I wanted to buy was being recorded, mixed and mastered.  Because I'm a true music fan, unlike you people.
 
2014-01-11 12:36:35 PM  
frepnog: People who carry the opinion that vinyl is superior to cd however are unfortunately wrong in their opinion, and it can be scientifically proven that they are, in fact, wrong.

Some people can sleep in a silent room.  Others require white noise.

Its a similar phenomenon.


I have no idea why you're so virulently invested into this meaningless argument about apples and oranges, actually.  But I've been performing, recording and mixing live shows and studio recordings for three decades and you are seriously full of moose crap.  No offense.  Me?  I got no pony in this heat.  The artist can request that the two track be released on wax cylinder, if the check clears.  But I'll lay you  1,000.00 you never heard pristine vinyl of a well mixed record played back on a really brilliant system.  And, frankly, so what?  Seriously, man are the atheist threads closed?  You gotta troll this with your great pronouncements?  I guess it's a cheaper hobby than bar blowhard.  Carry on, Aristophanes.   :  )
 
2014-01-11 12:39:16 PM  

mongbiohazard: And you'll never even stop to think why you're getting so upset and defensive.


So, no.  Just the projector lamp running full tilt, no film.  You're not a very good troll.  Seriously.  When you have to assert that the "victim" is getting all flustered and AnGrY1!1!1, you've already blown the troll.  Study it out.   :  )
 
2014-01-11 12:39:46 PM  

bunner: frepnog: People who carry the opinion that vinyl is superior to cd however are unfortunately wrong in their opinion, and it can be scientifically proven that they are, in fact, wrong.

Some people can sleep in a silent room.  Others require white noise.

Its a similar phenomenon.

I have no idea why you're so virulently invested into this meaningless argument about apples and oranges, actually.  But I've been performing, recording and mixing live shows and studio recordings for three decades and you are seriously full of moose crap.  No offense.  Me?  I got no pony in this heat.  The artist can request that the two track be released on wax cylinder, if the check clears.  But I'll lay you  1,000.00 you never heard pristine vinyl of a well mixed record played back on a really brilliant system.  And, frankly, so what?  Seriously, man are the atheist threads closed?  You gotta troll this with your great pronouncements?  I guess it's a cheaper hobby than bar blowhard.  Carry on, Aristophanes.   :  )


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2014-01-11 12:42:29 PM  
Thank you for reinforcing my assumption that you are the sort of person who lives their lives my internet wheel charts and wikipedia entries.  Now go yank on somebody else's shirt tail, kid, will ya?   :  )
 
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