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2014-01-11 11:23:03 AM
I saw a wonderful graphic produced by a couple of bright young things which summarizes everything that is known on the snake oil and the science of vitamins, minerals and supplements.


Here is a link to one version:  http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplements/

There is strong evidence that garlic is good for your blood pressure, for example. There is no evidence that bitter melon is good for diabetes.

My advice:  consult reliable medical sources, not cranks, alternative practicianers, or single doctor webpages (there's no way to be sure the doctor isn't a crank or a fraud--she might be a Doctor of Philosophy rather than a physician or specialist).

Take everything you read in the news with a grain of salt.

Get your information as close to the source as possible. Use your common sense. Consult more than one source for everything.

Follow the broad and well beaten path by eating a lot of fruits and vegetables, avoiding processed crap, and so forth. Don't sweat the details.

Know yourself. You are your own worst enemy so learn your own tricks and keep yourself in line.

Trust no one with a device or product to sell. Believe in no easy solutions or miracles.

Thimk. Think until it hurts. Then think a little less than that.
 
2014-01-11 11:23:23 AM

Reverend J: drxym: The "big pharma" conspiracists are as stupid in their own way than 9/11 truthers or the rest. More so because their illinformed decisions about health and put themselves, their kids and others at risk.

As someone who's working in big pharma I can assure you that there is no way that they could possibly have their shiat together enough to do a global conspiracy. The higher ups in big pharma are quite possibly the stupidest people you'll ever meet, which is weird when you'd think that people smarter than scientists would be running the place.

/Current business model: Step 1) Get a blockbuster drug, Step 2) Fire 90% the scientists, Step 3) SALES! SALES! SALES! Step 4) Pray your remaining scientists make another drug after the patent on the first one expire. Step 5) Get bought out, Step 6) Layoff everyone.


Oh my god, this. I work in an investigational drug pharmacy. I read the protocols and wonder how on earth people are going to make money on some of this stuff. But then I realize that when we raise issues with sponsors, we're doing all the legwork for them. God forbid I get a pharmacy manual written by people with pharmacy knowledge. It's always written by someone with no inherent knowledge of what a pharmacist actually does.
 
2014-01-11 11:23:25 AM
The only supplement I take with any regularity is a B-complex, and that's because I drink too much, which depletes B-1. It still turns my pee green so I imagine I'm pissing most of the tablet away come the next day, but that stuff is relatively cheap compared to the pile of supplements I see some people take every day.
 
2014-01-11 11:23:28 AM

Bumblefark: EmmaLou: What ever happened to just including fruits and vegetables in your diet?

We had my wife's family over for the holidays -- the whole clan, for about 3 weeks. (*shudder*) Every dinner I served included at least one side of vegetables, often two. And not weird foodie stuff; just the standards, like green beans, corn, carrots, green salad, etc, prepared in the usual ways.

Never saw them eat a single veggie, neither the children nor the adults. I would have bothered to have been horrified, but that's probably not very atypical, nowadays...


I was visiting my in laws with my mom and step father. They served a nice fresh garden salad with dinner, and my step father proclaimed loudly "I don't eat salad." That's probably why his heart function is at 20%, he has the diabeetus, and he weighs about 400 pounds.

I don't understand the dislike of vegetables that so many people seem to have.
 
2014-01-11 11:24:02 AM
I'd be more open to listening to my doctor were I not to have spotted him playing a round of golf with two guys I knew to be pharmaceutical reps. I will agree that multivitamins aren't worth it, but there's a grain of truth in what subby says about the medical industry being more interested in treating the disease than preventing it in the first place.
 
2014-01-11 11:24:25 AM
Linus Pauling, winner of two Nobel prizes (OK, one was for 'Peace'), a hard core certified genius heavy hitter, believed in the power of massive doses of Vitamin C to cure the common cold and cancer, among other things.

Even after this was disproven time and time again he still claimed that "C" was a miracle drug, even though there was evidence that it could actually worsen some cancers.  He also apparently became something of a quack later in life.

The moral of our story is that belief is not the same thing as knowledge.
 
2014-01-11 11:27:34 AM

Astorix: rzrwiresunrise: How did we ever survive without multi-vitamins for thousands of years? By eating good food, not junk food, you say? Funny, sounds like something my DOCTOR would say.

The whole vitamin, supplement, dietary aid and herb industry is the most unregulated and chock full of bad science, pseudo science, and actual harm. Remember the rash of deaths from ephedra? Then there is ginseng, which has been shown to cause blood pressure spikes. Recently a threat was posted about green tea extract causing liver damage.
These extracts and concentrations are unnatural and the manufacturers often cheat by putting unnatural things into them.

Traditional Chinese Medicines one of the worst offenders.

As much as I hate big pharma, I distrust the lack of oversight in the multi-billion selling "herb and supplement" industry.


The issue with Chinese medicine is that traditionally, a person was seen by their doctor who knew everything about their health and created a specific formula tailored just to them, then kept an eye on the person for how they were doing.  In modern times, people read "ginseng is good for making you young and boosting your immunity and helping you levitate!" and they just grab a bottle of pills off a shelf and start randomly taking them when the mood strikes them.
 
2014-01-11 11:29:48 AM

azxj: The one thing (so I've heard) that a multivitamin is good for is passing a drug test.  They'll fail you if your pee is too clear, so drink a ton of water and then take a multivitamin to color your pee.


That might have been true in the late 1980's but certainly isn't true now. Creatinine levels are objectively tested; the color doesn't matter at all, even in the rapid screen done in office. If the sample gets sent for verification (ie mass spec) there is zero chance of covering it up.
 
2014-01-11 11:31:05 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: A Terrible Human: Vitamins are a crock of shiat. If you buy into them you're farking stupid and not eating properly if you're so deficient in vitamins.
/Same with that homeopathy garbage.

What gets me is this new gummy vitamin chew for adults. No more hard-to-swallow pills! Good grief, we're getting soft.


It's primarily aimed at people with bad teeth and people with swallowing issues. A number of people with throat issues who have to use CPAP machines also have issues with choking on pills and certain kinds of food. And we're not talking about just really heavy people, some people have congenital defects with their palate and esophagus the cause snoring, sleep apnea, etc.
 
2014-01-11 11:31:17 AM

czetie: Man On A Mission: Sybarite: Yes, we certainly wouldn't want any "official-sounding data" to steer you toward proven  highly profitable methods of treating diseases and away from chicanery  long-proven vitamin and mineral supplements.

FTFY.

My doctor told me not to take a multivitamin, just a vitamin D supplement, because a cheap and simple blood test showed that was the only supplement I needed. But I'm sure you'll find a way to explain how this is part of an elaborate conspiracy.

By the way, if you're looking for actual facts that are "long-proven", the most undeniable one is that most people don't need and don't benefit from vitamin and mineral supplements.


Most. But if you are missing something in your diet and dont know it they have a huge impact.
I started taking multivitamins and some regular issues I had been fighting with for the last decade have cleared up.
Turns out I have issues keeping vitamin C and Zinc in my system.
 
2014-01-11 11:31:45 AM
It's quite amusing to see claims of profiteering by doctors from people who spend who knows how much money on loads of vitamins that, unless their diet is terrible, they probably have no need for.
 
2014-01-11 11:31:53 AM

EmmaLou: Bumblefark: EmmaLou: What ever happened to just including fruits and vegetables in your diet?

We had my wife's family over for the holidays -- the whole clan, for about 3 weeks. (*shudder*) Every dinner I served included at least one side of vegetables, often two. And not weird foodie stuff; just the standards, like green beans, corn, carrots, green salad, etc, prepared in the usual ways.

Never saw them eat a single veggie, neither the children nor the adults. I would have bothered to have been horrified, but that's probably not very atypical, nowadays...

I was visiting my in laws with my mom and step father. They served a nice fresh garden salad with dinner, and my step father proclaimed loudly "I don't eat salad." That's probably why his heart function is at 20%, he has the diabeetus, and he weighs about 400 pounds.

I don't understand the dislike of vegetables that so many people seem to have.


Heh. Yeah, over here, there was no small irony in the ritual of clearing the table, throwing everyone's veggies in the trash, and then shuttling my wife's (diabetic) dad off to his dialysis appointment...

/but, hey, I'm sure that kidney transplant is gonna come through any day now...no harm, no foul, right?
 
2014-01-11 11:32:28 AM

Astorix: rzrwiresunrise: How did we ever survive without multi-vitamins for thousands of years? By eating good food, not junk food, you say? Funny, sounds like something my DOCTOR would say.

The whole vitamin, supplement, dietary aid and herb industry is the most unregulated and chock full of bad science, pseudo science, and actual harm. Remember the rash of deaths from ephedra? Then there is ginseng, which has been shown to cause blood pressure spikes. Recently a threat was posted about green tea extract causing liver damage.
These extracts and concentrations are unnatural and the manufacturers often cheat by putting unnatural things into them.

Traditional Chinese Medicines one of the worst offenders.

As much as I hate big pharma, I distrust the lack of oversight in the multi-billion selling "herb and supplement" industry.


I wholeheartedly agree. In my 20's I blew tons of money on "supplements". Even though I knew better, I thought that if i worked out 5 times a week AND used hundreds of dollars worth of the junk every month that maybe somehow I'd be SUPER built.

Of course the supplement industry is largely to blame for people being dumb shiats. IMO if you're reading mens health and theres 40 pages of advertisements getting slung at you showing how super effective the crap is, eventually you will fall for it.

It turned out, wether I took them or not I looked EXACTLY the same. Crazy.
 
2014-01-11 11:35:30 AM
I agree multivitamins are useless and a waste of money.   Do not solve any condition unless pregnant or a celiac.


My Doctor, my kids doctors, the pediatrician,  my kids school have been saying this since the 1960's.

In the US our diet provides everything and more.   You are pissing away your money, literally,  on multivitamins.
 
2014-01-11 11:38:37 AM

r1niceboy: I'd be more open to listening to my doctor were I not to have spotted him playing a round of golf with two guys I knew to be pharmaceutical reps. I will agree that multivitamins aren't worth it, but there's a grain of truth in what subby says about the medical industry being more interested in treating the disease than preventing it in the first place.


A: So someone's not allowed to enjoy someone's company if their job is "Rep"?

B: Make up your mind. Are doctors owned by the pharmaceutical companies or by the insurance companies? At least with the latter, we have some proof(See Kaiser Permanente, which provides shiatty health care, and is primarily run by their insurance provision network). And with that, the Cure is more important than the treatment, as insured patients end up costing the insurance company(And by extension, the hospital), MORE money if they come in for constant treatments.
 
2014-01-11 11:40:20 AM

StoPPeRmobile: sno man: This should be a fun thread.
This is a bookmark. Yes it is.

Well it has this gem.

"So perhaps doctors aren't to be entirely trusted when it comes to opinions about dietary supplements"

Of course I'm leaving out the second part. Just like many do with the 2nd amendment.


Sorry but the "western medicine is crap we only need herbs and vitimens and chinese folk medicine(like tiger penis for impotence)" is left wing hippie derp not right wing Brother John Birch derp.

Now fluridated water being a conspiracy is right wing derp.
 
2014-01-11 11:41:41 AM
Sounds like Big Nutra has finally achieved critical mass with their derp bomb.
 
2014-01-11 11:42:04 AM
The only vitamin I need is a daily dose of Vitamin THC, man.
 
2014-01-11 11:43:05 AM

Oldiron_79: StoPPeRmobile: sno man: This should be a fun thread.
This is a bookmark. Yes it is.

Well it has this gem.

"So perhaps doctors aren't to be entirely trusted when it comes to opinions about dietary supplements"

Of course I'm leaving out the second part. Just like many do with the 2nd amendment.

Sorry but the "western medicine is crap we only need herbs and vitimens and chinese folk medicine(like tiger penis for impotence)" is left wing hippie derp not right wing Brother John Birch derp.

Now fluridated water being a conspiracy is right wing derp.


I always thought the fluoridated water conspiracy was it's own non winged brand of derp.
 
2014-01-11 11:43:59 AM
You really can't categorize vitamins, minerals, and supplements into a monolithic group.  Each unique molecule or elemental ion has it's own distinct biochemistry, pharmacology, absorption and excretion rates, etc.  It's just mentally obtuse to not parse them.
 
2014-01-11 11:45:40 AM
My big issue with multivitamins is that they put doses of calcium with doses of iron. Calcium interferes with iron absorption. And the form of iron they put in them is poorly absorbed and constipating for most people.

Calcium supplements? Calcium needs to be ingested with the proper amount of vitamin C, vitamin D, and magnesium to be effective. All this calcium added stuff they're marketing to older women who are already losing their bone mass rapidly is rubbish. What's good for bone loss? Resistance exercise, good diet, and not guzzling coffee or sodas. You can't just eat calcium supplements that are glorified candy and expect your bones to recover.
 
2014-01-11 11:46:23 AM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Too bad there's no way to ingest these vitamin-thingys while we, like, eat or something.

Life is so hard.


Doritos and beer aren't as nutritious as you might think.
 
2014-01-11 11:47:49 AM
tl;dr version: Don't listen to medical doctors and research companies, they're just out to make tons of money hand over fist.  You should listen to multivitamin production companies, which are also a multi-billion dollar industry.

I guess it's just hard to maintain a satisfying level of smugness about taking medical advice from trained professionals.
 
2014-01-11 11:50:02 AM
There certainly are some vitamins and minerals that you need and that have extensive scientific evidence in support of their use in improving health. However, supplementing your diet with a multivitamin is also going to push a ton of other crap into your body that we have no evidence of their benefit, and some/many people already get enough of the good vitamins and minerals through their regular diet.
 
2014-01-11 11:50:12 AM

Sybarite: "Enter 'vitamins are useless' articles. The more you're presented with official-sounding data that erodes your confidence in self-care, the more you'll relinquish yourself to the seriously dysfunctional U.S. health care system. And that means the more you'll rely on surgery, prescription drugs, and health insurance."

Yes, we certainly wouldn't want any "official-sounding data" to steer you toward proven methods of treating diseases and away from chicanery.


If a "healer" says vitamins aren't ok because they lack the bioavailability of [insert hippie shiat here], it's ok. If a doctor says it in a peer-reviewed study, it can't be trusted. That's how stupid we are now.
 
2014-01-11 11:52:57 AM
bohemiantraveler.com

Fun fact: Schoolchildren in Iceland are still fed Cod liver oil at school.
 
2014-01-11 11:52:58 AM

Astorix: rzrwiresunrise: How did we ever survive without multi-vitamins for thousands of years? By eating good food, not junk food, you say? Funny, sounds like something my DOCTOR would say.

The whole vitamin, supplement, dietary aid and herb industry is the most unregulated and chock full of bad science, pseudo science, and actual harm. Remember the rash of deaths from ephedra? Then there is ginseng, which has been shown to cause blood pressure spikes. Recently a threat was posted about green tea extract causing liver damage.
These extracts and concentrations are unnatural and the manufacturers often cheat by putting unnatural things into them.

Traditional Chinese Medicines one of the worst offenders.

As much as I hate big pharma, I distrust the lack of oversight in the multi-billion selling "herb and supplement" industry.


No kidding,  And why are there so many MLM sleazy businesses that start out as vitamin and herbal supplements?
 
2014-01-11 11:55:17 AM
SkerriNinja:
Oh my god, this. I work in an investigational drug pharmacy. I read the protocols and wonder how on earth people are going to make money on some of this stuff. But then I realize that when we raise issues with sponsors, we're doing all the legwork for them. God forbid I get a pharmacy manual written by people with pharmacy knowledge. It's always written by someone with no inherent knowledge of what a pharmacist actually does.

Does you company hire any pharmD's or MD's at all for anything? Just curious.
 
2014-01-11 11:57:01 AM

Mantour: [bohemiantraveler.com image 850x568]

Fun fact: Schoolchildren in Iceland are still fed Cod liver oil at school.


If Scandinavians are low on fish oil, they get very depressed and do things like create death metal bands or go pillaging.
 
2014-01-11 11:58:04 AM

vharshyde: r1niceboy: I'd be more open to listening to my doctor were I not to have spotted him playing a round of golf with two guys I knew to be pharmaceutical reps. I will agree that multivitamins aren't worth it, but there's a grain of truth in what subby says about the medical industry being more interested in treating the disease than preventing it in the first place.

A: So someone's not allowed to enjoy someone's company if their job is "Rep"?

B: Make up your mind. Are doctors owned by the pharmaceutical companies or by the insurance companies? At least with the latter, we have some proof(See Kaiser Permanente, which provides shiatty health care, and is primarily run by their insurance provision network). And with that, the Cure is more important than the treatment, as insured patients end up costing the insurance company(And by extension, the hospital), MORE money if they come in for constant treatments.



Even if it is the pharma companies controlling everything, "the Cure" is worth more for two reasons:
1. If Company B has the cure it gets the vast majority of the business.
2. Even if The Cure cost less over a patients lifetime,   the company gets a gigantic spike of money RIGHT NOW when  the CEO cares about it. It's pretty obvious they don't give a rats ass about 20 years from now. Unless someone here wants to claim that somehow big Pharma is the ONLY industry in the USA that looks past next quarter.

Additionally, what the "big pharma avoids cures" people ignore is that the patents on medicine don't last forever. And by the time they are approved for sale, there isn't a lifetime of treatment left.
Unfortunately what they are selling is the best they can come up with.
 
2014-01-11 11:59:27 AM

Sybarite: Yes, we certainly wouldn't want any "official-sounding data" to steer you toward proven methods of treating diseases and away from chicanery.


DSHEA was one of the worst laws ever passed in this nation. The entire dietary supplement industry is barely better than the farking homeopaths and faith healers.
 
2014-01-11 12:00:03 PM
According to the original article in Annals of Internal Medicine:

Enough Is Enough: Stop Wasting Money on Vitamin and Mineral Supplements
Eliseo Guallar, MD, DrPH; Saverio Stranges, MD, PhD; Cynthia Mulrow, MD, MSc, Senior Deputy Editor; Lawrence J. Appel, MD, MPH; and Edgar R. Miller III, MD, PhD
Annals of Internal Medicine
17December2013
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1789253
Ann Intern Med. 2013;159(12):850-851-851. doi:10.7326/0003-4819-159-12-201312170-00011

"This article has been corrected. The original version (PDF) is appended to this article as a SUPPLEMENT."

Heh, Heh, Heh. But their article even has a supplement.
 
2014-01-11 12:00:04 PM

Likwit: Sybarite: "Enter 'vitamins are useless' articles. The more you're presented with official-sounding data that erodes your confidence in self-care, the more you'll relinquish yourself to the seriously dysfunctional U.S. health care system. And that means the more you'll rely on surgery, prescription drugs, and health insurance."

Yes, we certainly wouldn't want any "official-sounding data" to steer you toward proven methods of treating diseases and away from chicanery.

If a "healer" says vitamins aren't ok because they lack the bioavailability of [insert hippie shiat here], it's ok. If a doctor says it in a peer-reviewed study, it can't be trusted. That's how stupid we are now.


www.physicianschoiceinsurance.com


People will embrace "authorities" that gives reasons for their pre-conceived beliefs, in order to reinforce them and will reject evidence to the contrary.
 
2014-01-11 12:02:42 PM

jaytkay: Man On A Mission: long-proven vitamin and mineral supplements

Proven when? By who?


By folks who didn't get scurvy and rickets?
 
2014-01-11 12:03:59 PM

FunkOut: AMonkey'sUncle: A Terrible Human: Vitamins are a crock of shiat. If you buy into them you're farking stupid and not eating properly if you're so deficient in vitamins.
/Same with that homeopathy garbage.

What gets me is this new gummy vitamin chew for adults. No more hard-to-swallow pills! Good grief, we're getting soft.

It's primarily aimed at people with bad teeth and people with swallowing issues. A number of people with throat issues who have to use CPAP machines also have issues with choking on pills and certain kinds of food. And we're not talking about just really heavy people, some people have congenital defects with their palate and esophagus the cause snoring, sleep apnea, etc.


No problem understanding those situations, but the chews are marketed to young adults, if you go by the ads.
 
hej
2014-01-11 12:04:22 PM

rzrwiresunrise: How did we ever survive without multi-vitamins for thousands of years? By eating good food, not junk food, you say? Funny, sounds like something my DOCTOR would say.


To be fair, for "thousands of years" people had significantly shorter life spans.
 
2014-01-11 12:07:41 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: FunkOut: AMonkey'sUncle: A Terrible Human: Vitamins are a crock of shiat. If you buy into them you're farking stupid and not eating properly if you're so deficient in vitamins.
/Same with that homeopathy garbage.

What gets me is this new gummy vitamin chew for adults. No more hard-to-swallow pills! Good grief, we're getting soft.

It's primarily aimed at people with bad teeth and people with swallowing issues. A number of people with throat issues who have to use CPAP machines also have issues with choking on pills and certain kinds of food. And we're not talking about just really heavy people, some people have congenital defects with their palate and esophagus the cause snoring, sleep apnea, etc.

No problem understanding those situations, but the chews are marketed to young adults, if you go by the ads.


Between Netflix for TV and all the adblock I've got in the computer, I go for days without seeing ads. When I do see an ad somewhere, it's kind of surprising.

Next up : sippy cups for people who just can't be bothered with not pouring a whole cup of liquid on their face.
 
2014-01-11 12:09:01 PM
Has anyone said "If it had any measurable effect on the human body it would be a drug and regulated." yet?

Because it's true.

It's a food product.

In Canada you are not allowed to say it does anything.

Good old Memorial University, making a fudged up report (one of the biggest scandals in science) become dogma for the industrial food byproduct consumer.
 
2014-01-11 12:12:31 PM

NutWrench: jaytkay: Man On A Mission: long-proven vitamin and mineral supplements

Proven when? By who?

By folks who didn't get scurvy and rickets?


Scurvy and rickets are prevented by nutrients in food, not "supplements".
 
2014-01-11 12:13:37 PM

StoPPeRmobile: GBB: You mean doctoring is a profitable business and not a philanthropic calling?

I go with egotistical.


Repeat customers, referrals to their friends, kickdowns from pharma reps and ordering tests on diagnostic equipment that they have  financial interest in are sound business practices.
 
2014-01-11 12:14:00 PM

hej: rzrwiresunrise: How did we ever survive without multi-vitamins for thousands of years? By eating good food, not junk food, you say? Funny, sounds like something my DOCTOR would say.

To be fair, for "thousands of years" people had significantly shorter life spans.


Wow. Such scurvy. Much rickets.
 
2014-01-11 12:23:43 PM

rzrwiresunrise: muddythinker: I worked at the FTC, which regulates US advertising.  Our staff used to bring supplement and diet aid cases against retailers & manufacturers making phony claims.  In bringing these cases, we had to hire top nutrition scientists from good universities as experts, and they told us 20 years ago multi-vitamins are a waste of money.  Only specific vitamins help, such as if one has a vitamin D deficiency.

I figure anything OTC that makes my pee BRIGHT yellow is proly unnecessary at the very least.


The sun makes your pee bright yellow?

Watch out for cancer.
 
2014-01-11 12:25:59 PM

hej: rzrwiresunrise: How did we ever survive without multi-vitamins for thousands of years? By eating good food, not junk food, you say? Funny, sounds like something my DOCTOR would say.

To be fair, for "thousands of years" people had significantly shorter life spans.


Due to a lack of antibiotics, not a lack of multi-vitamin supplements. If you want to be fair, at least give credit where it's due.
 
2014-01-11 12:26:04 PM

hej: rzrwiresunrise: How did we ever survive without multi-vitamins for thousands of years? By eating good food, not junk food, you say? Funny, sounds like something my DOCTOR would say.

To be fair, for "thousands of years" people had significantly shorter life spans.


If you mean life expectancy, then, yeah, obviously; medicine and technology has improved considerably over those thousands of years. If you meant that human were incapable of living as long as the past as we do now, then you're just wrong.


jaytkay: NutWrench: jaytkay: Man On A Mission: long-proven vitamin and mineral supplements

Proven when? By who?

By folks who didn't get scurvy and rickets?

Scurvy and rickets are prevented by nutrients in food, not "supplements".


Liar. Everyone who doesn't routinely take supplements has scurvy and rickets. It's nearly impossible to absorb any nutrients by consuming food and beverages.
 
2014-01-11 12:28:31 PM
Treehugger, of course.

So climate scientists are infallible about global warming due to mountains of evidence.

However, medical scientists are trying to discredit the alternative medicine movement despite mountains of evidence.

*sigh*
 
2014-01-11 12:28:48 PM

StoPPeRmobile: rzrwiresunrise: muddythinker: I worked at the FTC, which regulates US advertising.  Our staff used to bring supplement and diet aid cases against retailers & manufacturers making phony claims.  In bringing these cases, we had to hire top nutrition scientists from good universities as experts, and they told us 20 years ago multi-vitamins are a waste of money.  Only specific vitamins help, such as if one has a vitamin D deficiency.

I figure anything OTC that makes my pee BRIGHT yellow is proly unnecessary at the very least.

The sun makes your pee bright yellow?

Watch out for cancer.


Uh, no. Multi-vitamins will. A clue that it's simply passing thru my body as waste.
 
2014-01-11 12:29:21 PM

jaytkay: NutWrench: jaytkay: Man On A Mission: long-proven vitamin and mineral supplements

Proven when? By who?

By folks who didn't get scurvy and rickets?

Scurvy and rickets are prevented by nutrients in food, not "supplements".


Rickets are prevented by vitamin D...which is added to dairy products after being synthesised from lanolin. Or one can eat fish liver oils. Or go in the sun. Or great loads of mushrooms. But it's not found in large amounts in most foods.

Milk has D added to it.
 
2014-01-11 12:30:20 PM

FunkOut: hej: rzrwiresunrise: How did we ever survive without multi-vitamins for thousands of years? By eating good food, not junk food, you say? Funny, sounds like something my DOCTOR would say.

To be fair, for "thousands of years" people had significantly shorter life spans.

Wow. Such scurvy. Much rickets.


upload.wikimedia.org

I see what you did there.
 
2014-01-11 12:30:49 PM
Goddammit, I've been telling my patients for years that vitamin supplements were okay to take but would not improve health or prevent infection.

I want my kickback.

 
2014-01-11 12:31:17 PM
I'm a physician, and here's my prescription for you Farkers:

How 'bout just eat healthy?!?

Study after study demonstrates that when you strip-out the micronutrient from its source, the benefit is lost. Taking fish-oil capsules is of no benefit, but eating fish is. Taking vitamin E alone is of no benefit, but eating broccoli and sunflower seeds is. Etc.

But I know, I'm just a pawn in this Grand Conspiracy.
 
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