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2014-01-11 09:33:16 AM

MmmmBacon: 1) Create a new Google+ account, with absolutely no personal information about yourself in it.


I did that already. In fact, I have about five or six identically empty G+ accounts, though not intentionally. See, youtube gives you the option to disconnect your youtube account from your G+ account. Problem is, when you do that, you can't post, upload or share videos (and I like to make movies and interact with others so I need these features). So on the first day, when I noticed that it created a G+ account for me, I looked for ways to delete it. Could not, so I disconnected my youtube account from it. Then when I tried to comment on a video, it prompted me to log in to G+. I begrudgingly did so, thinking it just reconnected with G+, but no: What it did was create a NEW G+ account identical to the old one. After I posted, I promptly disconnected G+ again.

This went on about half a dozen times before I realized Google was not reconnecting me with the same G+ account but spawning new G+ accounts every time I disconnected and then reconnected to post. It was a total mess. But that's not the issue.

The issue is that, WITH NO HELP FROM ME WHATSOEVER, other people that are important in my life have invariably found my G+ account(s) regardless. And I want to be clear here that neither G+ nor Youtube have ever had my real my name or personal information in any way. It is utterly baffling how I was discovered at all. I never visit G+. But I'm on youtube and all of a sudden I get a notification indicating that four people have added me to their circles. How?! I haven't done anything to indicate that they would even know who I am. I've contacted one -- a guy I trust -- and asked him to remove me from his circles, to minimize the damage because once you're on one contact list, the degrees of separation will spider-web from there.

So it doesn't seem to matter, Google apparently has one hell of an tracking algorithm and it knows who you are even when you try to create a dummy/fake/spoof/anonymous account with no info. It recommends you to the people you interact with all the same.

This is seriously seriously creepy.

/social media is too social
//can't we just go back to usenet?
 
2014-01-11 09:47:43 AM

Ishkur: So it doesn't seem to matter, Google apparently has one hell of an tracking algorithm and it knows who you are even when you try to create a dummy/fake/spoof/anonymous account with no info. It recommends you to the people you interact with all the same.

This is seriously seriously creepy.


The creepiest thing google does IMHO, is they are able to poll your wifi for surrounding connections, and they triangulate your real world position based on that.  So even if you disable GPS location and connect through a VPN, they can still find your real location.
 
2014-01-11 09:51:33 AM

hardinparamedic: [s3.amazonaws.com image 303x1500]

Haters gonna hate.


Heh, except it hasn't happened like that.  I know a couple of people that bolted from Facebook for Google+, but even the people who use both only seem to post to one, or at least, I assume that, since I never touch my Google+ page anymore and so few people have left Facebook.

Maybe others have had a different experience, but I can't say I've seen any evidence to suggest as much.
 
2014-01-11 10:05:23 AM

Ishkur: So it doesn't seem to matter, Google apparently has one hell of an tracking algorithm and it knows who you are even when you try to create ...


Google tracks you on all their sites and unless you're actively blocking their tracking methods, they know you all about you and where you've been. You'll learn to love the tentacle.
 
2014-01-11 10:16:55 AM

Alonjar: Ishkur: So it doesn't seem to matter, Google apparently has one hell of an tracking algorithm and it knows who you are even when you try to create a dummy/fake/spoof/anonymous account with no info. It recommends you to the people you interact with all the same.

This is seriously seriously creepy.

The creepiest thing google does IMHO, is they are able to poll your wifi for surrounding connections, and they triangulate your real world position based on that.  So even if you disable GPS location and connect through a VPN, they can still find your real location.


On an android device?  Sure I can see that creepiness because they are marrying everything to everything so deeply and basically they have root on your hardware, on a 'not google derived' operating system though and using a not google derived browser?
 
2014-01-11 11:14:22 AM
poot_rootbeer: There's no reason for Google not to integrate the account management systems for all of the services they run.

Yes there is: Google software is unmanageable, intrusive and often doesn't work.  Example: new Android phone with KitKat mismanages contacts in Hangouts, where it is virtually impossible to change a phone number.  The farking application autodials a phone number when you're trying to edit contact information.  It pulls in contacts that are unimportant from Google+ and GMail, then lists people at the top who don't even have a phone.  As with Google+, I just had to delete the virus called Hangouts.
 
2014-01-11 11:50:53 AM

jaytkay: GrailOfThunder: You can turn it off, fortunately. Settings/General tab.

Excellent advice I can just tell my 80-year old mom to look in her Gmail Settings/General tab.

Here is a current screen shot: I am not kidding. I just took this screen shot.

[img.fark.net image 850x939]


Well, what I do with my 80 year old mom is use one of the free for private use screen control programs like teamviewer to take over her computer and show her how to do things or just fix them myself. Like when she changes the default email view every week and gets into a snit about how all her email has been "deleted". She knows how to start a session and I'll get a pleading 15 minute long message on my voice mail about how she has been working "all day" to fix some problem like her email view again and I can just zoom on there and fix it in 15 sec or whatever. Much better than trying to describe the screen to her, and when she sees it visually she sometimes remembers how to to do it herself.
 
2014-01-11 12:04:29 PM
GrailOfThunder
Telos:
Much ado about nothing here. People can email you through your G+ account without knowing you. People can already email you without knowing you, so this is basically not even a change.

They have to know your email address, though. With G+, they just find a profile they like, hit "Email this user", and you get the email; no foreknowledge of the email address necessary.
Probably won't be much of an issue for guys, but girls? Can you imagine the number of horny idiots that are going to send PIE to every cute girl they find a profile for?


I don't really see much of a problem there.
I don't use G+, but I would imagine it already had some sort of messaging system integrated.
So instead of getting an email notification "you got a message from X. Click here to read it", they include the content of the message.
Plus it's under your control who gets to contact you this way.

Regarding PIE: who knows, maybe Google doesn't even allow attachments in those contact messages.
It would even make sense to remove URLs to make the function less interesting for spammers.
 
2014-01-11 12:07:43 PM
I'm a Google whore. On Chrome, they had/have an screencap extenstion that was AWESOME! It was simple, easy, intuitive.

But they recently changed it so you cannot save the files. All you can do with them is upload to social media. Now to be fair, half of what I cap is for social media, but the other half is PII stuff that I need for my records that nobody else should see.

In the reviews of that extension not one person is saying, "Guys calm down - this rocks!" --- everyone is fuming
 
2014-01-11 12:12:22 PM

Ed Grubermann: MmmmBacon: Google+ isn't that bad. It has many advantages over Facebook and Twitter, while being simple and easy to use. Once you have created a few Circles, you'll never want to leave Google+!

*spark* *glitch*

... many ad-vaaaantages...

*sputter*

... neverleaveneverleaveneverleaveneverleave...

Fark social media.


you know this is social media, right?
 
2014-01-11 12:25:06 PM
except for my android phone i have fully jumped ship from google.  my phone does keep reminding me that it cannot connect to my now deleted gmail account but this is only until i switch to a new phone sometime this year.  i still use youtube but got rid of my account.  i only kept some playlists in there and occasionally commented on vids.  that loss was no big deal after they pretty much ruined youtube.  but the vids are still free.

/f u googs
 
2014-01-11 12:43:34 PM

The Flexecutioner: except for my android phone i have fully jumped ship from google.  my phone does keep reminding me that it cannot connect to my now deleted gmail account but this is only until i switch to a new phone sometime this year.  i still use youtube but got rid of my account.  i only kept some playlists in there and occasionally commented on vids.  that loss was no big deal after they pretty much ruined youtube.  but the vids are still free.

/f u googs


What search engine do you use? And what mapping program?
 
2014-01-11 12:49:03 PM

NeuroticRocker: The Flexecutioner: except for my android phone i have fully jumped ship from google.  my phone does keep reminding me that it cannot connect to my now deleted gmail account but this is only until i switch to a new phone sometime this year.  i still use youtube but got rid of my account.  i only kept some playlists in there and occasionally commented on vids.  that loss was no big deal after they pretty much ruined youtube.  but the vids are still free.

/f u googs

What search engine do you use? And what mapping program?


to clarify, when i say fully jumped ship, i have no accounts with them that require me to log in for any reason.  i also have NoScript which blocks googleusercontent.com and googlesyndication.com.  but yeah, i watch youtube and occasionally use Maps and the search engine.
 
2014-01-11 01:02:10 PM
Get this--I just looked at something on my computer, and it said "new programs installed." So I checked, since I've installed nothing, and there was "Google+ auto backup" on my list of programs. I don't even have a Google account anymore! I completely nuked it.

This is the second time I've had to uninstall whatever this is. I don't know where it comes from either. Google search?
 
2014-01-11 01:05:34 PM
If the early American settlers would have known how hard things will be in the future, I'm sure they would have just given up right then.
 
2014-01-11 01:09:39 PM

cryinoutloud: Get this--I just looked at something on my computer, and it said "new programs installed." So I checked, since I've installed nothing, and there was "Google+ auto backup" on my list of programs. I don't even have a Google account anymore! I completely nuked it.

This is the second time I've had to uninstall whatever this is. I don't know where it comes from either. Google search?


stuff like this might be buried in another permission kind of thing.  i had free programs like AVG and Avast and occasionally they update in a large way and before I click "update" i look for things like "Make my default browser Explorer" or "Install and make my default browser Chrome" or some such nonsense.  Yeah, its why these things tend to be free but as long i keep that nonsense off my pc i'll have to be hyper aware of those like check boxes.
 
2014-01-11 01:28:39 PM
I used Google+ for a while until I tried the G+ app on my phone.  when i installed it, i missed a setting, and by default it uploaded and shared all of the photos on my phone to my G+ account.  fortunately - i didn't have anything embarrassing on my phone, but i nuked the G+ account after that.

i love some of google's products and have used their search engine since they launched, but google+ is just creepy
 
2014-01-11 03:39:45 PM

log_jammin: Ditto: I deleted all of my Google account but my Gmail a while back.  The only reason I still have gmail is because I have my email forwarded to gmail because I have an Android phone and this makes it easier to read my mail.  I don't get that much mail though and will ditch gmail if they try to use it to force G+ on me.

I thought you HAVE to have google+ if you have gmail


After you delete your G+ there is a skeleton G+ account that they call "your pages" and you have to go in and delete that too.  If you click anything on it other than Delete they turn it back into G+ account
 
2014-01-11 03:45:19 PM
fark Google.
 
2014-01-11 03:47:51 PM
Ishkur:

The issue is that, WITH NO HELP FROM ME WHATSOEVER, other people that are important in my life have invariably found my G+ account(s) regardless.

Google keeps track of everything you do on-line, regardless of whether you are log-into your account or not. Simply visiting any Google site or third party site that uses Google Analytics causes you to download a persistent cookie that is connected to your IP address. Google then tracks your entire activity wherever else you go on the internet. There is only a limited number to ways to defeat this behavior.

(1) Modify your browser setting so that every time you close the browser it deletes all cookies and remember to close the browser after every visit to a Google site.
(2) Use Tor so that Google doesn't know your IP. However, Tor does not play well with Youtube so that is a problem for you.

Note that if you use Google for lots of different things then even this doesn't help because when you are log-in to Google there is no way to delete the cookie.

If you really want to see how this works there is a Firefox add-on called "Collusion" or use this link

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/lightbeam/
 
2014-01-11 04:36:12 PM
As soon as the next video uploading website is launched that works as well as youtube then I`m leaving google totally. All I want is to upload video and provide reliable links for others to view.

I don`t use gmail. I don`t use google+ I don`t do anything except use the web search and provide video links for people. The instant I can do that without google or loads of adverts I`m there.
 
2014-01-11 05:18:06 PM
It is really time for Google to get humbled, embarrassed and lose all of the younger users. Honestly, Google needs to die.
 
2014-01-11 06:26:57 PM
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-01-11 06:42:50 PM
Google is apparently too big now and it's cool to hate them. If you are in someone's circle and don't know why, they probably added you via email. Now they can email you without knowing your email, but they already did.

Google+ auto backup photos are not public, and you need to opt in to upload them.

Contacts on Android are difficult to edit, but you can hide any contact with no phone number.

I love how people love airmiles and other tracking companies, but hate Google tracking. Find something serious to be upset about ffs.
 
2014-01-11 07:22:56 PM

Tax Boy: .... i like google+


Honestly, me too. But no one is there.
 
2014-01-11 07:24:39 PM

Bob Down: Unobtanium: I have avoided G+ every time they asked me to join. The most frustrating part (and on a scale of 1-to-10, it's about a 0.11) is that they want me to use G+ to comment/review Android apps.

I was annoyed by the G+/android app review thing as well. But then I read other peoples' reviews and realise that my 2¢ worth isn't worth 2¢ anyway (just like most of the reviews)


See, I have a different response.  I used to love looking at the review before I dl or updated any apps, since sometimes they can cause more issues then they are worth.  I seriously have never seen the so called "spam" issue that G claims they are correcting with "real world identification"  If you read a group of reviews, you can generally sort the wheat from the chaff and proceed accordingly.
As a fellow member of the android community, I also used to review apps.  I have often had kind of weird phones, and always appreciated when others posted reviews based on their phones experience and so I have carried that on to pay it forward.
But.
Now, I would have to have an account I do not want, with theoretically my real name on it.  Yeahno.  I don't use my real name on FB when I am communicating with folks I know, I am certainly not putting it out on the Play store for folks I don't know.  I have an unusually name and am not interested in creating an easy to follow trail.
Anyway, clearly others have had similar issues with it, as it used to be normal to find tons of reviews for apps, and now it is down to a perishing few, and frankly I don't trust that few reviews.
So I use even less apps on my phone than I might otherwise.
and I have less trust and interest in Google and their products by the day.
Just my 0.02c.
 
2014-01-11 08:37:49 PM
Gotta make it easier for the NSA to spy on ya, don'cha know?
 
2014-01-11 11:49:49 PM
Just made this...

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-11 11:51:34 PM

Ajanu: Google is apparently too big now and it's cool to hate them. If you are in someone's circle and don't know why, they probably added you via email. Now they can email you without knowing your email, but they already did.

Google+ auto backup photos are not public, and you need to opt in to upload them.

Contacts on Android are difficult to edit, but you can hide any contact with no phone number.

I love how people love airmiles and other tracking companies, but hate Google tracking. Find something serious to be upset about ffs.


I heard it's really cool to work for Google. What is it like there?
 
2014-01-12 01:29:13 AM

GrailOfThunder: Telos: Much ado about nothing here.  People can email you through your G+ account without knowing you.  People can already email you without knowing you, so this is basically not even a change.

They have to know your email address, though.


Not really.  What, you never get the emails sent to grai­loft­h­un­d­e­r1­[nospam-﹫-backwards]ha­l­bhalb*c­om;g­ra­i­lo­fth­under2[nospam-﹫-backwards]h­alb­halb*c­om;grailofthund e­r3­[nospam-﹫-backwards]hal­bh­a­lb*c­om ?
 
2014-01-12 02:07:12 AM

Ajanu: Google is apparently too big now and it's cool to hate them.


Yes, yes they are and yes it is (although who cares about cool).

I have been generally very pro-Google until the last year or so and their repeated efforts to trap/trick me into using Google+ have soured me a great deal. I love anonymity and hate social networks. If Google wants to have their own social network go ahead, but stop making me opt-out of this piece of crap.
 
2014-01-12 02:27:25 AM

Ajanu: Google is apparently too big now and it's cool to hate them.


Just because you white knight them does not mean your odds of getting that job mopping the floors there is any better.  Its not a matter of getting 'too big', its a matter of abandoning their old motto of 'do no evil'.  Its not state surveillance that people should be concerned with, its corporate.  States don't answer to investors and aren't required to increase profits every quarter at any cost and they have slightly more accountability then some black box corporation who's whole business model is studying everything people do and selling that data to other corporations, like your insurance company.
 
2014-01-12 07:27:52 AM
How hard would it be to set up my own email server?
 
2014-01-12 08:33:14 AM

BumpInTheNight: Ajanu: Google is apparently too big now and it's cool to hate them.

Just because you white knight them does not mean your odds of getting that job mopping the floors there is any better.  Its not a matter of getting 'too big', its a matter of abandoning their old motto of 'do no evil'.  Its not state surveillance that people should be concerned with, its corporate.  States don't answer to investors and aren't required to increase profits every quarter at any cost and they have slightly more accountability then some black box corporation who's whole business model is studying everything people do and selling that data to other corporations, like your insurance company.


I thinkyou should be more worried about the State. Because it has the power to make your life miserable, and you can't quit it or take your business elsewhere.

/my solution to social media is my own server of sorts with it's own url
 
2014-01-12 09:11:06 AM

Animatronik: I thinkyou should be more worried about the State. Because it has the power to make your life miserable, and you can't quit it or take your business elsewhere.

/my solution to social media is my own server of sorts with it's own url


Yah but there's nothing in it for the state to make me miserable, meanwhile when, when facebook starts to lose favour and the company starts scrambling to squeeze all the money they can out of the data they will begin selling everything off with increasing fervor to less and less scrupulous deals.  That is when you'll start seeing blatant things like being able to buy up all your employee's profiles or again insurance companies getting open access to your profile to help them deny a claim you made.  See there is a tangible benefit for corporate data harvesting beyond advertising to the person they're watching, its also their retirement fund and so long as websites like those ones that host people's mugshots and want payment to take them down exist...its going to get ugly when the first big player goes the way of myspace.
 
2014-01-12 09:40:29 AM

Born To Beguile: How hard would it be to set up my own email server?


Easy. Getting other systems to allow your email through and not flag it as spam? Challenging.
 
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