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(Mirror.co.uk)   Here's the story of the man who saved Hitler's life in WWI. And you thought YOU had regrets   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 35
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2014-01-10 09:50:53 PM  
23 votes:
I wish I could sit this guy down and explain to him that he has  no reason at all to regret what he did. He didn't 'spare Hitler'; he refused to fire on a fleeing stranger. What Hitler did afterwards is his own damn fault and no one else's, and this man has both courage and compassion. There is never a reason to regret an honorable action.
2014-01-11 12:20:04 AM  
6 votes:
Yeah, I dunno....Hitler turned out to be a pretty good enemy, in terms of fighting the war. Suppose someone SANE had been at the helm of Nazi Germany? No stop-order at Dunkirk would have made all the difference between winning and losing for the Allies.
2014-01-11 12:30:38 AM  
5 votes:
Obviously we should kill everybody we ever meet if given the chance to ensure no future Adolf Hitlers come to pass.

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2014-01-11 12:27:01 AM  
5 votes:
and to think how many people I walk past and don't kill, every single day, who might live to go onto become even worse than Hitler.
2014-01-11 12:43:44 AM  
3 votes:

XMark: If this soldier had killed Hitler instead of sparing him, then someone else probably would have risen to power and more or less done the same thing. Maybe someone even more competent. You never know.


This. Hitler wasn't the only person who was a German nationalist after World War I and had hatred towards the Jews
2014-01-11 03:34:33 AM  
2 votes:

librarianwah: Kick The Chair: I'm not sure if it could have been worse... WWII was very horrific

I can see one way... The use of chemical warfare. Hitler was said to be reluctant to use it due to his exposure during WWI. Imagine someone less reluctant...


The most frequently cited example is the stop-order that prevented Guderian and Manstein from completing the sweep to the Channel in the conquest of France. This allowed the evacuation of Dunkirk and the return of over 300,000 soldiers to Britain, most of whom eventually came back and were essential in the invasion of Normandy (not to mention the Battle of Britain). Had the Wehrmacht taken those 300,000 soldiers prisoner, in other words, had the stop-order not come down and Guderian been allowed to continue the push to the Channel, Britain would essentially have been defenseless; Operation Sea Lion would likely have been successful a few months later; and with no secure base closer than Iceland, the invasion of Normandy could not have happened. Without a second front, the Germans would have had 200,000 troops free to deal with Russia, and could have taken Moscow before winter set in in 1943. With Moscow fallen, there'd have been no Stalingrad to bleed the German army dry--but it wouldn't have mattered much, because with no Normandy, there'd have been no second front, either. The Germans would have pretty much owned Europe by 1944.

So yea, it could have been way a lot worse.
2014-01-11 02:19:46 AM  
2 votes:

PsiChick: I wish I could sit this guy down and explain to him that he has  no reason at all to regret what he did. He didn't 'spare Hitler'; he refused to fire on a fleeing stranger. What Hitler did afterwards is his own damn fault and no one else's, and this man has both courage and compassion. There is never a reason to regret an honorable action.


Precisely. Well said.
"Shoot the dictator and prevent the war? But the dictator is merely the tip of the whole festering boil of social pus from which dictators emerge; shoot him and there'll be another one along in a minute. Shoot him too? Why not shoot everyone and invade Poland?"--Terry Pratchett.
See http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlersTimeTravelExemption A ct
2014-01-11 01:33:43 AM  
2 votes:
"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. I have not much hope that Gollum can be cured before he dies, but there is a chance of it. And he is bound up with the fate of the Ring. My heart tells me that he has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end; and when that comes, the pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many - yours not least."
 - J.R.R. Tolkien, Fellowship Of the Ring
2014-01-11 01:12:12 AM  
2 votes:

PsiChick: I wish I could sit this guy down and explain to him that he has  no reason at all to regret what he did. He didn't 'spare Hitler'; he refused to fire on a fleeing stranger. What Hitler did afterwards is his own damn fault and no one else's, and this man has both courage and compassion. There is never a reason to regret an honorable action.


You can't contact him psychically?

Anyway, as children, this future priest saved Hitler from drowning:

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082640/How-year-old-Adolf-H it ler-saved-certain-death--drowning-icy-river-rescued.html


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And if Wittgenstein, a Jew, was nicer to little Adolph in the playground and didn't tease him about his paintings, which he and the other boys deemed 'ghey'.

If only...
2014-01-11 01:03:45 AM  
2 votes:
This man seems like the finest form of humanity to me. Rarest of courage and a great sense of honor, I would have been proud to know him.
2014-01-11 12:34:30 AM  
2 votes:
If this soldier had killed Hitler instead of sparing him, then someone else probably would have risen to power and more or less done the same thing. Maybe someone even more competent. You never know.
2014-01-11 12:24:26 AM  
2 votes:
you know who else had regrets...  hint: probably shouldn't have invaded Russia so close to winter.
2014-01-11 12:19:53 AM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: "But if I'd only known who he would turn out to be... I'd give 10 years now to have five minutes of clairvoyance then."

Everybody kills Hitler on their first trip.


The implications of his statement are pretty chilling. He wishes he had murdered a wounded soldier in cold blood.
2014-01-11 01:52:36 PM  
1 votes:
Ok, so what, he let Hitler live, and millions died?  And so some "blame" him?
How the hell can you assume that?  What if Hitler had died?  With the stupidity of the League of Nations, and the hellish restrictions they placed on Germany, with the unemployment, poverty, etc...SOMEONE
would have risen to do what Hitler did, and, if they weren't the NUT JOB that he was, and had listened
to his generals, WW2 may have been different!  Thank god that the nut Hitler lived, he may have
spared the entire world from being under the Nazi flag!

I always wanted to develop a computer game called "What if".  Program all the variables of history, from past to present.  Then go in and change one thing, sort of a butterfly effect.  Then run the program and
see what might have changed.  Say the archduke of Austria had not been assassinated.  Would ww1 had begun?  If there was no WW1, would the strive of Germany, lead us to WW2?  And if there were no WW2, would the iron curtain have fallen over eastern Europe?  What if Pearl Harbor never happened, what if JFK had not been shot?  Would the USA had been involved in VietNam?  The possibilities are endless.
2014-01-11 11:52:10 AM  
1 votes:
If Nazi Germany had a sane or competent leader, they may not have been defeated in WWII...

This man's compassion for a wounded (enemy) soldier on the battlefield may have been the 1 thing that stopped the Nazis, their own incompetent leadership.
2014-01-11 11:11:47 AM  
1 votes:
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Killing him back in WW1 would bring up the moral paradox of punishing someone for something they hadn't done yet.  He may of become the world's biggest dickhead year later, but back then he was still a (relatively) innocent man.  So what to do?

I've got a better idea for our intrepid time traveler: Don't bring a gun, bring a giant bag of weed.

It's simple.  He was a painter, he was a vegetarian, he was basically one step away from becoming a before-his-time hippie.So change that.  Go back and get Hitler totally baked.  Turn him into a stoner.  Introduce him to the wonders of pot & cheetos.

Why this is a better solution: First, you've prevented WW2 and the Holocaust just as easily as if you'd killed him, and without becoming a murderer yourself.  Hitler doesn't join the nazis (too lasy), stays in art school and when you get back to the present all anyone knows about him is that he was this really far out artist back in the 1920s who did a bunch of groovy paintings.  All in all, a pretty well-liked guy.

Everybody wins.

Well, almost... the problem is that without WW2 happening you opened the door for a different mustachioed mad-man bent on global domination to invade a helpless Germany, along with the rest of Europe, and he's now got 20,000,000 more troops at his disposal than in your previous time-line.  Whoops!

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2014-01-11 10:50:45 AM  
1 votes:

XMark: If this soldier had killed Hitler instead of sparing him, then someone else probably would have risen to power and more or less done the same thing. Maybe someone even more competent. You never know.


Stephen Fry concurs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uom7-WKeZA

Imagine National Socialism with a leash kept on its anti-Semitism. Nazi Germany keeping a few million happy Jewish stormtroopers plus several hundred advanced physics professors would have likely led to a German victory via a German atomic bomb.

Sure, there's other reasons Hitler lost: he was a crappy, wasteful general, he ceased attacking the RAF in the Battle of Britain because Berlin got lightly bombed, and, of course, that whole Russian mistake. But the number of things he could have done right to win all of Europe is actually quite short. The Allied won because Hitler pooched himself by being Hitler. A more competent Nazi leader might not have made the same horrendous mistakes and might have let the German armies do their job at which they were very, very good.

Read this for an idea of how close Britain came to surrendering to Germany in 1940:

http://www.amazon.ca/Five-Days-London-May-1940/dp/0300084668
2014-01-11 10:11:21 AM  
1 votes:

werty789: Go back in time and kill Hitler? Save Kennedy ? Save Lincoln? But what would be the ramifications of these actions? They seem like the right things to do but none of us are wise enough to predict the outcomes. If I had a time machine I would not use it to change the past but to observe the past to fill the gaps in our history.


Travel to the future and bring back their knowledge, understanding, technology, winning lottery numbers.
2014-01-11 10:08:26 AM  
1 votes:
Go back in time and kill Hitler? Save Kennedy ? Save Lincoln? But what would be the ramifications of these actions? They seem like the right things to do but none of us are wise enough to predict the outcomes. If I had a time machine I would not use it to change the past but to observe the past to fill the gaps in our history.
2014-01-11 03:12:17 AM  
1 votes:

Kick The Chair: I'm not sure if it could have been worse... WWII was very horrific


I can see one way... The use of chemical warfare. Hitler was said to be reluctant to use it due to his exposure during WWI. Imagine someone less reluctant...
2014-01-11 02:08:48 AM  
1 votes:
What if Hitler wasn't pure evil creating all the bad things in post WWI germany?  What if Germany was waiting for the "right" (wrong!) leader to lash out in collective anger.

What if post WWI Germany was waiting for someone evil like Hitler to present themselves.  Would some other figurehead with the right energy be selected instead of hitler?
2014-01-11 01:56:19 AM  
1 votes:
I remember watching a show/reading a book or something where hitler is killed by time travellers. However, Germany still rises, but with a different leader and he is smarter and more ruthless and actually wins the war.

Anyone know what I'm thinking of?
2014-01-11 01:50:03 AM  
1 votes:

whatshisname: loooongview1: mome23: Gyrfalcon: Yeah, I dunno....Hitler turned out to be a pretty good enemy, in terms of fighting the war. Suppose someone SANE had been at the helm of Nazi Germany? No stop-order at Dunkirk would have made all the difference between winning and losing for the Allies.

Yup. That's why time travelers are not allowed to kill him. Do you know how much work it was to change history so Rommel didn't end up in charge? Or to make sure that Heydrich caught a bomb in Prague?
As horrific as the toll was, it could have been worse. And was, in some possible timelines.

You guys are such sci-fi pessimists.  I for one would like to think some good could come from going into the past and changing things, especially killing Hitler.  Damn anti-time-travel interfering in with the past Luddites are holding us back.  Well no more I say.

There are quite a few contemporary novels where Hitler won. Try Fatherland.


Funny enough I just finished reading "The Man in the High Castle" a couple of days ago, and that came up when I looked at other alt-history books.  Looks interesting, but really depressing.  But what I want is for someone to go back in time and change it for the better.  Can't think of too much stuff that does that, besides a bit of the first "Back to The Future."  And that was after Marty almost farked everything up.
2014-01-11 01:47:22 AM  
1 votes:

loooongview1: mome23: Gyrfalcon: Yeah, I dunno....Hitler turned out to be a pretty good enemy, in terms of fighting the war. Suppose someone SANE had been at the helm of Nazi Germany? No stop-order at Dunkirk would have made all the difference between winning and losing for the Allies.

Yup. That's why time travelers are not allowed to kill him. Do you know how much work it was to change history so Rommel didn't end up in charge? Or to make sure that Heydrich caught a bomb in Prague?
As horrific as the toll was, it could have been worse. And was, in some possible timelines.

You guys are such sci-fi pessimists.  I for one would like to think some good could come from going into the past and changing things, especially killing Hitler.  Damn anti-time-travel interfering in with the past Luddites are holding us back.  Well no more I say.


Maybe there was already a bunch of time travel that has resulted in the best possible scenarios for history, and we're currently living as the result of the best possible scenarios due to time travel interference?
2014-01-11 01:46:34 AM  
1 votes:
Say what you want about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.
2014-01-11 01:39:38 AM  
1 votes:
also, as I'm sure has been pointed out without reading the thread, this is most likely complete, utter bullshiat.
2014-01-11 01:23:33 AM  
1 votes:

mome23: Yup. That's why time travelers are not allowed to kill him. Do you know how much work it was to change history so Rommel didn't end up in charge? Or to make sure that Heydrich caught a bomb in Prague?
As horrific as the toll was, it could have been worse. And was, in some possible timelines.


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2014-01-11 01:18:18 AM  
1 votes:

DreamSnipers: This man seems like the finest form of humanity to me. Rarest of courage and a great sense of honor, I would have been proud to know him.


You sound aryan.

But in all serious, everything that has needed to be said has been said. This guy acted honorably. If he killed Hitler, congratulations... nothing would have changed other than maybe someone without  syphilis eating their brain causing them to make horrible decisions being in charge of the extermination of the jews. Maybe they even get wiped out entirely. Maybe we lose WW2. Maybe we never enter WW2 when we do and they take out the USSR and then come for us.

And for that price, all we have to pay is one honorable human being executing a wounded human being in cold blood and living with the knowledge they murdered someone in cold blood.

But this isn't a What If scenario. This is how history unfolded. The things that happened had to have happened the way they did, for better or for worse. What is important is we learn from history's mistakes, not ask ourselves "Well what if we did this differently..."

That is not how progress is made. Stuck on what we could have done differently is counterproductive to what decisions we make now in the present.

We've all helped human beings who were horrible in some way or the other, even if we don't know it. If we ever worked retail, we've taken the money from criminals who earned it through harmful actions to other humans and their families. If we ever worked in a restaurant, we've nourished and sustained the bodies of horrible human beings, possibly even murderers and rapists that will never have been caught. If we ever for one instant donated money to a charitable cause, that money could be used to help a human being in need who later grows up to be a serial killer.

But I don't regret my actions, and neither should anyone else. Because it is our individual actions that matter. Not what someone else does or does not do with their life. Hitler could have gone on to be a famous artist, but he did not. He made decisions of his own accord. He lived with them and died because of them.

To expect anyone to regret interacting with him in the past and not killing him outright is lunacy. If I went outside and shot another person in the head and said I prevented World War III since this person would have been the cause of it, I'd have been arrested for murder and seen as a crazy person.

... and if World War III never happened, who could ever prove me wrong?
2014-01-11 01:13:59 AM  
1 votes:
I'm not sure if it could have been worse... WWII was very horrific
2014-01-11 01:07:07 AM  
1 votes:
Wouldn't have made a difference. If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else, and even without the Nazis, there was still Japan to worry about, who, if you recall, basically Started the war with their invasion of China.
2014-01-11 12:44:13 AM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: I wish I could sit this guy down and explain to him that he has  no reason at all to regret what he did. He didn't 'spare Hitler'; he refused to fire on a fleeing stranger. What Hitler did afterwards is his own damn fault and no one else's, and this man has both courage and compassion. There is never a reason to regret an honorable action.


For once, I agree with PsiChick.

Acting with honor is never cause for regret.
2014-01-11 12:36:16 AM  
1 votes:

Omahawg:


I thought Shea LeBoof said that, not Hitler.
2014-01-11 12:24:12 AM  
1 votes:
Hitler was a nobody back then, and this guy wasn't psychic so no harm done on his part.
2014-01-11 12:15:49 AM  
1 votes:
For want of a nail...
2014-01-10 11:56:48 PM  
1 votes:
"But if I'd only known who he would turn out to be... I'd give 10 years now to have five minutes of clairvoyance then."

Everybody kills Hitler on their first trip.
 
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