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2014-01-11 01:14:53 PM  
Good. Most of the EU is horrendous shiat anyway. I read some of the old pre-prequel novels in school when I was a dumb nerd, never read any after Lucas mutilated my childhood.

Decided to give it another go in recent history (a month or so ago), and picked up the Darth Plagueis book because if any of the prequel characters caught my interest it was Palpatine's own mentor. Of any character I really wanted to know more about, it was the guy who trained Emperor Palpatine. Considering just how little about him was talked about on-screen, I felt this was a great blank slate to really dig deep and produce the kind of character who forged Palpatine into the evil coont of the Star Wars movies.

James Luceno can die in a farking fire. This novel was less about telling a story of the guy who trained and mentored the Emperor, and more about trying to play damage control and 'making sense' of the literary abortion that is the EU universe and tying it into bullshiat like the Clone Wars and other bad decisions of George Lucas.

And from what my friends have said, it's like this all around. The novels are less about telling stories and more about trying to weave logic out the complete horseshiat Lucas has done to his own franchise with his 'creativity'.

Most of the novel I read was complete and utter bullshiat about characters I've either never heard of that were elsewhere in the EU, or about some stupid convoluted story that was obligated to tie in other shiatty stories from other EU novels for it all to make sense that was no doubt penned as an obligation of even more convoluted dumbass stories that predated it.

Oh, and apparently Palpatine stopped being an apprentice immediately after TPM, since Darth Plagueis was alive up until his coronation as Chancellor and actively involved in his training.

And Darth Maul wasn't a Sith Lord. He was an 'assassin' trained by Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious (Palpatine).

Complete and utter tripe, even for Star Wars.
 
2014-01-11 01:16:46 PM  
F*ck the Vong.
 
2014-01-11 01:19:34 PM  
The Darth names are mostly rather stupid.
 
2014-01-11 01:20:13 PM  

Kittypie070: F*ck the Vong.


u18chan.com
 
2014-01-11 01:47:27 PM  
Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.
 
2014-01-11 01:49:03 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.


The awful part was the writing.

Because Hutt Jedi lol
 
2014-01-11 01:51:56 PM  

Alphax: thecactusman17: They can gut pretty much everything, but I want three things to still be more or less untouched after the cut.

Heir to the Empire (or at least Thrawn)

Shadows of the Empire (George considers it canon and it was developed to be a canon story sans movie, so it's probably safe)

The X-Wing series.  Specifically, all of Rogue Squadron, all of Wraith Squadron, The Courtship of Princess Leia, and maybe I, Jedi.  Not great writing, but oozes great Star Wars on every page.

Hell, I honestly think they could safely scrap any plans to re-feature the original cast and instead just make Rogue Squadron a film trilogy.  People would love it.  Retake the galactic capital against a despotic maniac in a daring secret raid?  With barely any Jedi in sight (a certain character's Force sensitivity can either be ignored or explored lightly to great effect)?  Good stories make good movies.

Agreed.. though the first couple of X-Wing books were rather cheesy.   The first chapter of the first book was based upon one of the missions in the X-Wing computer game, which was rather cool, but never repeated.

Prince Xizor was a pretty good villain, if rather wasted on a single book.  Dash Rengar, please, no.


That mission was brutal too, as I remember. Really all of X-wing was, especially in comparison to TIE Fighter. Which was fitting I guess, always being the grossly outnumbered underdog and all.
 
2014-01-11 02:00:37 PM  

Infernalist: I created this alt just for this thread: Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.

The awful part was the writing.

Because Hutt Jedi lol


Oh, there has been some pretty bad writing in the EU, for sure.  I'm just mystified by these people who cry "Mary Sue!" every time they encounter a character that doesn't spend half the story brooding and the other half barely managing to function.
 
2014-01-11 02:12:43 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Infernalist: I created this alt just for this thread: Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.

The awful part was the writing.

Because Hutt Jedi lol

Oh, there has been some pretty bad writing in the EU, for sure.  I'm just mystified by these people who cry "Mary Sue!" every time they encounter a character that doesn't spend half the story brooding and the other half barely managing to function.


That word gets thrown around pretty liberally these days, especially in Doctor Who fandom where people weirdly accuse characters like Amy Pond of being a Mary Sue, despite Steven Moffatt not being a tall, Scottish redhead woman, or River Song being one because she is more competent than a typical Doctor Who companion because she's designed to be interesting enough to make a good romantic companion for a 1200 year old Time Lord.

The people throwing away the term need to have Inigo Montoya pop in and remind them that it doesn't mean what they think it means.
 
2014-01-11 02:14:14 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Infernalist: I created this alt just for this thread: Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.

The awful part was the writing.

Because Hutt Jedi lol

Oh, there has been some pretty bad writing in the EU, for sure.  I'm just mystified by these people who cry "Mary Sue!" every time they encounter a character that doesn't spend half the story brooding and the other half barely managing to function.


Yeah, i think "Mary Sue" is overused as a term. What's wrong with just calling a character "bad"? It's a bad character. Mary Sue has a meaning - it's a character that is a standin for the author, often who performs at extreme levels of competency compared to the characters around him.
 
2014-01-11 02:24:03 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe


What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2014-01-11 02:30:26 PM  

Parthenogenetic: There are two things that MUST be preserved as canon.

HK-47



And Skippy, the Jedi droid.



Can droids manifest as Force ghosts?  Because that would be awesome.


And Wookie Life day.
 
2014-01-11 02:39:07 PM  

FunkOut: MechaPyx: FunkOut: Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.

People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.

No hate. I just found it silly the furballs took out an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops with sticks and stones. If that was the Emperor's best no wonder the Empire lost.

They were psychotic bears with hands and stone age weapons. I would have given them fangs and poison saliva.


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-11 02:39:57 PM  
So no more Jedi Academy or domestic bliss for all the characters?  Hooray!

The only things I think they should keep is the concept of a privateeer with a red Star Destroyer and this:  http://youtu.be/jYXJZCkN0Hg?t=42m19s  (in less than 1 minute, they added more mysticism to the Force than the midichlorians took away).
 
2014-01-11 02:49:05 PM  

Great_Milenko: So no more Jedi Academy or domestic bliss for all the characters?  Hooray!


Oh god, are you one of those people who thinks heroes should never allowed to be happy for any length of time?  That suffering, instead of good writing and characterization, is what makes for an interesting character?  If so, I hear DC is hiring.
 
2014-01-11 02:52:28 PM  
However, Star Wars Christmas Special still canon.
 
2014-01-11 03:19:12 PM  

aerojockey: However, Star Wars Christmas Special still canon.


As is probably this.

i.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-11 03:21:50 PM  
Simple enough all of the Expanded Universe is now an Alternate Universe. Seriously The worst of the EU I read had to be the Black Fleet Crisis series of books. If I was going to keep anything around it would have to be the X-Wing series and the Thrawn Trilogy and go from there. I enjoyed the X-Wing Books since they early on focused on the re-taking of Coruscant and the fight againts the Imperial Remant Warlords causing chaos until Thrawn returned. That's where I would stop it, but there are a few things that would be worth picking out of the other books and comics that written.
 
2014-01-11 03:32:26 PM  
You know it's bad when even Disney thinks you've over-merchandised.
 
2014-01-11 03:41:30 PM  
UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

Nope. He's the Rob Liefeld of SF. He destroys everything he puts his hands on.

And I'm not gonna 'splain why I think so, either.
 
2014-01-11 03:47:34 PM  

Kittypie070: UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

Nope. He's the Rob Liefeld of SF. He destroys everything he puts his hands on.

And I'm not gonna 'splain why I think so, either.


I know it's been a while since I've read them, but I don't remember anything about lots of pouches and tiny feet in Anderson's Dune books.
 
2014-01-11 03:50:57 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Wars sucks anyway.  No surprise the exanded universey sucks MORE.

This isn't a troll.  Star Trek is way better and I am completely serious.  I tried Empire again a year or two ago.  Fond memories, but it's like watching He-Man and the Masters of the Universe as an adult.  It's just really stupid and bad.

Cool weapons and junk though.

As a teenager I did enjoy reading Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina.  But I was 15 and what the hell does a 15 year old know?  Marijuana, Star Wars books and DOS gaming.  That's it!


I like Star Trek and Star Wars for different reasons. But in terms of pure sci-fi, Trek beats Wars. But that's because Wars is a sci-fantasy, whereas Trek is actual sci-fi.

Well, Trek is a soft sci-fi. Hard sci-fi would be more akin to Firefly, in terms of actual science used.
 
2014-01-11 04:00:18 PM  

efgeise: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Wars sucks anyway.  No surprise the exanded universey sucks MORE.

This isn't a troll.  Star Trek is way better and I am completely serious.  I tried Empire again a year or two ago.  Fond memories, but it's like watching He-Man and the Masters of the Universe as an adult.  It's just really stupid and bad.

Cool weapons and junk though.

As a teenager I did enjoy reading Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina.  But I was 15 and what the hell does a 15 year old know?  Marijuana, Star Wars books and DOS gaming.  That's it!

I like Star Trek and Star Wars for different reasons. But in terms of pure sci-fi, Trek beats Wars. But that's because Wars is a sci-fantasy, whereas Trek is actual sci-fi.

Well, Trek is a soft sci-fi. Hard sci-fi would be more akin to Firefly, in terms of actual science used.


Asimov is the only real hard sci-fi.
 
2014-01-11 04:03:18 PM  

enderthexenocide: Esroc: I'll still enjoy the old EU. I'm not washing my hands of it. I'm washing my hands of the new shiat. I put in my time with the old universe. I'm not going to keep up with a second universe just because they're too lazy/don't care enough to work with the continuity that every other piece of media in the past has had no goddamn problem adhering to.

i'm not sure what you mean by this.  all the video games, books, comics, etc, didn't adhere to the continuity, they created it.  it's not like some video game by lucasarts had to match the continuity of some fan fiction crap in the expanded universe, they created their own storylines and it became part of the eu because it was an official star wars product.  the only official canon they had to actually stick with was the stuff from the original trilogy, which these movies will also do, i assume.  there is no need for them to try to carry around the plot baggage of 30 years of new additions to the universe.

its like complaining that marvel comics or dc comics titles don't adhere to their own internal continuity.  they can't tell intelligent, meaningful stories when they are so bogged down by years of backstory and contradictory canon.  there's a reason why franchises like the x-men have all those different universes.  would you expect the 1990s x-men cartoon to adhere faithfully to the continuity of the original uncanny x-men comic?  of course not.  the only way to develop new stories and introduce new fans to the franchise is by simplifying the story and disregarding "canon" that gets in the way.

disney is basically trying to re-introduce live action star wars movies to a new generation.  i hate to tell you this, but most star wars fans haven't read the comics, or all the novels, or played most of the games.  they've seen the movies and the clone wars cartoon and that's about it.  so for disney to try to make the new movies fit in with the eu will only confuse all those people who love star wars but have no idea wh ...


The EU is so freaking bloated. Plus, it wouldn't just be "difficult" to work a new script into the EU canon, it'd be downright impossible, depending on how many years before or after the Saga.

Honestly, Disney should just axe most of it and get their good writers on it. KoToR could probably stay, if only because it takes place so long ago in the Star Wars universe that it doesn't really impact anything.
 
2014-01-11 04:07:31 PM  

Weatherkiss: Good. Most of the EU is horrendous shiat anyway. I read some of the old pre-prequel novels in school when I was a dumb nerd, never read any after Lucas mutilated my childhood.

Decided to give it another go in recent history (a month or so ago), and picked up the Darth Plagueis book because if any of the prequel characters caught my interest it was Palpatine's own mentor. Of any character I really wanted to know more about, it was the guy who trained Emperor Palpatine. Considering just how little about him was talked about on-screen, I felt this was a great blank slate to really dig deep and produce the kind of character who forged Palpatine into the evil coont of the Star Wars movies.

James Luceno can die in a farking fire. This novel was less about telling a story of the guy who trained and mentored the Emperor, and more about trying to play damage control and 'making sense' of the literary abortion that is the EU universe and tying it into bullshiat like the Clone Wars and other bad decisions of George Lucas.

And from what my friends have said, it's like this all around. The novels are less about telling stories and more about trying to weave logic out the complete horseshiat Lucas has done to his own franchise with his 'creativity'.

Most of the novel I read was complete and utter bullshiat about characters I've either never heard of that were elsewhere in the EU, or about some stupid convoluted story that was obligated to tie in other shiatty stories from other EU novels for it all to make sense that was no doubt penned as an obligation of even more convoluted dumbass stories that predated it.

Oh, and apparently Palpatine stopped being an apprentice immediately after TPM, since Darth Plagueis was alive up until his coronation as Chancellor and actively involved in his training.

And Darth Maul wasn't a Sith Lord. He was an 'assassin' trained by Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious (Palpatine).

Complete and utter tripe, even for Star Wars.


See, I always imagined that Palapatine had been alive and a Sith Lord for FAAAAAAAR longer than that. I always envisioned Palpatine as the great shaper of the movements of the Republic for at least a century or so. Especially when he talks about Plagueis as living long ago. Palpatine was so much more badass in my mind than they portrayed in the prequel trilogy, or even in the original trilogy.
 
2014-01-11 04:08:07 PM  
Damnit, Palpatine* anywhere I added an extra a.
 
2014-01-11 04:11:30 PM  

Kittypie070: UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

Nope. He's the Rob Liefeld of SF. He destroys everything he puts his hands on.

And I'm not gonna 'splain why I think so, either.



My ex-girlfriend rode an elevator with him at a convention. She noticed the guest badge and asked who he was, and when he told her she said the only reason she had heard of him was that her boyfriend (me) hated his writing.
 
2014-01-11 04:14:04 PM  

Infernalist: efgeise: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Wars sucks anyway.  No surprise the exanded universey sucks MORE.

This isn't a troll.  Star Trek is way better and I am completely serious.  I tried Empire again a year or two ago.  Fond memories, but it's like watching He-Man and the Masters of the Universe as an adult.  It's just really stupid and bad.

Cool weapons and junk though.

As a teenager I did enjoy reading Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina.  But I was 15 and what the hell does a 15 year old know?  Marijuana, Star Wars books and DOS gaming.  That's it!

I like Star Trek and Star Wars for different reasons. But in terms of pure sci-fi, Trek beats Wars. But that's because Wars is a sci-fantasy, whereas Trek is actual sci-fi.

Well, Trek is a soft sci-fi. Hard sci-fi would be more akin to Firefly, in terms of actual science used.

Asimov is the only real hard sci-fi.


I agree, but most people haven't read a lot of Asimov (myself included, unfortunately). I prefer sci-fi in the realm of Firefly, which is soft sci-fi anchored by realistic ideas. While I love Star Trek, has always been very wishy washy with the science (heisenberg compensators).
 
2014-01-11 04:25:19 PM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

What the fark is wrong with you?


I'm just here to help underline the question.  What was that, sarcasm?!
 
2014-01-11 04:32:06 PM  
Glad I'm not the only one who liked I Jedi...

I read absolute craploads of eu stuff and yeah... Most of it blows... I liked the boba fett story in tales from jabbas palace-- but they couldn't just leave it alone. By the time the vong story started I was getting pretty tired of the crap. The vong were pretty cool though. When they killed chew baca (fark autocorrect I'm not double typing everything on this farking ipad) I was kinda done. I kept reading to kinda find out what happened and when they axed anakin I really was done. There was nothing likeable left except for the tush an gong... Autocorrect u bastard... But yeah. Those guys were cool and I kinda hoped they were just going to kill off everyone and start some new fresh characters. Lol no.

And frankly Mara jade was awesome until they shipped her up with Luke "I'm a big farking pussy" sky walker.

if they keep anything from the eu let it be the crystal star. Just for the trolling lulz. The lulz and angry fans would make it worth it.
 
2014-01-11 04:32:22 PM  

Teufelaffe: Kittypie070: UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

Nope. He's the Rob Liefeld of SF. He destroys everything he puts his hands on.

And I'm not gonna 'splain why I think so, either.


I know it's been a while since I've read them, but I don't remember anything about lots of pouches and tiny feet in Anderson's Dune books.


awright fine.

It was one of the interminable Duke Leto wedding scenes [before the good Duke up n quit on the idea of officially marrying any more of those vapid noblewomen] where stupid lethal bladey crap abruptly came zipping out of the imported-for-the-occasion Ecazi alien tree pots RIGHT IN THE MIDST OF THE WEDDING, which was supposed to be a very VERY high security event, right???? because mebbe Kevvy Boy was bored that day and wanted yet another addition to his endlessly predictable chain of Let's Fling Gallons of Blood Around For Sh*ts & Laughs scenes.

Frank Herbert indirectly taught that predictability is a grave error in writing.

Kevin Anderson gleefully commits that very error everywhere he goes, and he gets away with it.

If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.

I hope that's a satisfactory answer.
 
2014-01-11 04:35:27 PM  

Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.



Go to Dragon*Con, he trolls it regularly.
 
2014-01-11 04:42:42 PM  

Boojum2k: Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.


Go to Dragon*Con, he trolls it regularly.


Hmm....
 
2014-01-11 04:51:41 PM  

Kittypie070: Boojum2k: Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.


Go to Dragon*Con, he trolls it regularly.

Hmm....



I really really really really want to see him kittyhammered. Or at least publically mocked and shamed, again.
 
2014-01-11 04:57:41 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Zombalupagus: Hollywood loves remakes and reboots.

Reboot the prequels.

That is all.


This time Shia LaBeouf will be Anakin Skywalker.


It would be an improvement. Anything would be an improvement.

In my Perfect World I'd want to see Anakin's fall from grace from being Obi-Wan's "good friend". The loser they gave us never had grace in the first place. And of course I want to see his rise to power as Vader.

Though I really don't want to see three stinking movies about that. There's so much else going on. So many other stories.

/a Man can dream, can't he?
 
2014-01-11 05:37:18 PM  

Infernalist: Well, Trek is a soft sci-fi. Hard sci-fi would be more akin to Firefly, in terms of actual science used.

Asimov is the only real hard sci-fi.


31.media.tumblr.com

biatch, please.
 
2014-01-11 05:38:22 PM  

Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.


I somehow always imagined 'kittyhammer' involved more alcohol and less violence.
 
2014-01-11 06:22:42 PM  

starsrift: Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.

I somehow always imagined 'kittyhammer' involved more alcohol and less violence.


Why not both?
 
2014-01-11 06:39:28 PM  
I've read a lot of the EU, and played most of the game, and I've delved as deep into it as most people can bear... And I'm OK with this. Truly, it was becoming a bloated, shiatty mess.

Eliminate everything after Episode VI and before Episode I, but keep The Clone Wars TV series (not the overblown Genndy T. animated version though), and of course the upcoming series about the period between III and IV.

Just keeping The Clone Wars series as canon means they keep a lot of somewhat-interesting EU stuff. (It canonized the Dathomiri Nightsisters, for example.)

THINGS FROM THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE THAT I WILL NOT MISS
Ysalamiri (Force-canceling tree lizards)
Force-sensitive R5-D4
Talon Karrde
Every planet-killing superweapon since Death Star II (Sun Crusher, Darksaber, etc.)
EVERYTHING that happened in "The Crystal Star"
Joruus C'Boath and Luuke Skywalker
The entire war with the Yuuzhan Vong
Abeloth
The Lost Tribe of the Sith
The Killik Hive
Darth Traya
The entire Dark Empire story
The entire Young Jedi Knights line of books
Everything Karen Traviss ever wrote in the Star Wars EU line.
And really, the last 8 years of EU novels. All of them.

I could go on. There's a lot of awful crap in the EU, and I'm not sad to see it get pitched. I'm also glad to see them drop the canon hierarchy in favor of canon or non-canon.
 
2014-01-11 06:48:43 PM  
mikefinch
When they killed chew baca (fark autocorrect I'm not double typing everything on this farking ipad) I was kinda done.

I seem to be the only one who didn't give a fark when that grunting waste of story-telling space got left behind.
 
2014-01-11 07:09:42 PM  
I liked the Vong war, Thrawn trilogy, bounty hunter tales and a few other things. I stopped with the Killik nest thing after the first book. Didn't feel as interesting, and furthermore, I was becoming much more interested in marijuana & ladies at the time. I grew out of Star Wars a bit but I have kind of kept track on the internet. The whole "Jacen becomes Sith Lord" thing seemed interesting but I've heard a lot of bad things. I'm not sure how to feel about Boba Fett and his whole family living on Mandalore, training Jaina thing... Interesting, but almost seems a bit much. By god, he survived that damned Sarlaac though. They have to keep that. I really hope they keep Kyle Katarn too. I loved those video games so dearly.

Anyway, it would be nice if they kept the Vong War. I know tons of people hate the NJO, and it certainly is drawn out, but for whatever reason, maybe reading it as I was growing up, I still recall it with fond memories. Maybe it's just nostalgia. I think the darkness of the series was something I really enjoyed. It could be cool to see a mini-series or regular TV series based on the NJO, maybe on HBO or something to keep the kiddies away. I know, that's a distant pipe dream.

I felt kind of upset at first about all this EU destruction, but I have some faith that certain aspects of the EU, the really good stuff, will be kept. After all, Coruscant was an invention of the Thrawn trilogy. George Lucas adapted the city-planet from Zahn's novels when he made the atrocity of TPM. I'm with everyone else saying that the prequels should be trashed/rebooted though. I enjoyed them a bit more when I was younger, but christ have those movies not aged well. It embarrasses me how excited I was for all three of them, and the lies I told to convince myself I enjoyed the movies, as well as trying to make them 'fit in' with everything else I loved about Star Wars. The whole experience was, and has been, farking awful. Nearly killed my faith in Star Wars, and definitely destroyed the image of George Lucas in my mind. Just farking awful.

It pisses me off to no end to see that stale, farking horseshiat Hayden Christensen standing next to Obi-Wan and Yoda at the end of ROTJ. What a farking slap in the face.

/Also, Han shot first
 
2014-01-11 07:14:36 PM  

The Voice of Doom: mikefinch
When they killed chew baca (fark autocorrect I'm not double typing everything on this farking ipad) I was kinda done.

I seem to be the only one who didn't give a fark when that grunting waste of story-telling space got left behind.


I don't think of him that badly. I agree with the rest though; his usefulness was only to support Han. That's it. He barely advanced the novels at all. He basically lived on the Millenium Falcon and existed to serve the Solo family. Now the character arc of Han Solo after Chewie's death was something I enjoyed. The depression, lack of purpose... then he teams up with that crazy gypsy alien Droma dude. Good stuff.
 
2014-01-11 08:04:51 PM  
What is with all the Ysalamiri hate?
 
2014-01-11 08:17:22 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.

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Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


www.chrismadden.co.uk
 
2014-01-11 08:35:52 PM  
photos1.blogger.com Obligatory.
 
2014-01-11 10:12:05 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I've read a lot of the EU, and played most of the game, and I've delved as deep into it as most people can bear... And I'm OK with this. Truly, it was becoming a bloated, shiatty mess.

Eliminate everything after Episode VI and before Episode I, but keep The Clone Wars TV series (not the overblown Genndy T. animated version though), and of course the upcoming series about the period between III and IV.

Just keeping The Clone Wars series as canon means they keep a lot of somewhat-interesting EU stuff. (It canonized the Dathomiri Nightsisters, for example.)

THINGS FROM THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE THAT I WILL NOT MISS
Ysalamiri (Force-canceling tree lizards)
Force-sensitive R5-D4
Talon Karrde
Every planet-killing superweapon since Death Star II (Sun Crusher, Darksaber, etc.)
EVERYTHING that happened in "The Crystal Star"
Joruus C'Boath and Luuke Skywalker
The entire war with the Yuuzhan Vong
Abeloth
The Lost Tribe of the Sith
The Killik Hive
Darth Traya
The entire Dark Empire story
The entire Young Jedi Knights line of books
Everything Karen Traviss ever wrote in the Star Wars EU line.
And really, the last 8 years of EU novels. All of them.

I could go on. There's a lot of awful crap in the EU, and I'm not sad to see it get pitched. I'm also glad to see them drop the canon hierarchy in favor of canon or non-canon.


I recently got into a Star Wards tabletop and I wanted to give myself a little bit better understanding of the Star Wars verse, so I picked up the first book in this series. Fark that shiat!
 
2014-01-11 11:30:33 PM  

Alphax: I wonder who they could get for Xizor's Human Replica Droid.. looks like a gorgeous blonde human women, but with strength and speed to make her Xizor's personal Terminator.

Eh, they probably won't ever film that.


Sounds like that has already been made...

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2014-01-11 11:40:38 PM  
Disney:

We bought star wars and lucasfilm, but don't worry, if you like your old EU you can keep it....

......cancel notices to be mailed next week.
 
2014-01-12 12:12:10 AM  

FunkOut: 95BV5: Canon: Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Manning newspaper strips, Han Solo trilogy, Lando's trilogy & Shadows of the Empire.

Everything else can go fark itself and DIAF.

I really like Splinter and the Lando trilogy.


Yeah, they're fun reads. I'll amend my statement to include Dark Forces, as I named my kid Kyle Katarn.
 
2014-01-12 01:07:57 AM  

tgambitg: Alphax: I wonder who they could get for Xizor's Human Replica Droid.. looks like a gorgeous blonde human women, but with strength and speed to make her Xizor's personal Terminator.

Eh, they probably won't ever film that.

Sounds like that has already been made...

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Looks good.  Let's see her wipe out a whole space pirate gang with her bare hands.
 
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