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2014-01-11 09:08:41 AM

Leishu: Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson

Those two statements seem somewhat contradictory to me, and while I disagree with your tastes, vehemently, I respect that they are yours to decide alone. :)


Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe, better than Herbert's son.  And Vector Prime was written by R.A. Salvatore.  Good fantasy writer, but he shouldn't have taken a project in the Star Wars universe.

/Vector Prime was one of the main reasons I had no interest in the New Jedi Order series.
 
2014-01-11 09:09:22 AM

Leishu: texdent: Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson

For now, he can always be killed off later.

I just hope he dies in a less silly way next time.


What, you didn't like him roaring defiantly as a moon was about to crush him?
 
2014-01-11 09:11:49 AM

Duck_of_Doom: RoyFokker'sGhost: I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.

Mara Jade as a Disney princess.  You know it be true.


Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen... *evil cackle*

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-11 09:16:45 AM
There are two things that MUST be preserved as canon.

HK-47

static3.wikia.nocookie.net

And Skippy, the Jedi droid.

static3.wikia.nocookie.net

Can droids manifest as Force ghosts?  Because that would be awesome.
 
2014-01-11 09:21:18 AM

UNC_Samurai: RoyFokker'sGhost: I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.

This, right here.  Mara Jade, Thrawn, and a good bit of the Rogue Squadron material is just too easy to successfully merchandise for them to throw it away.

I'm not enough of a neckbearded grognard to get upset if huge chunks of the canon get erased, as long as most of the toys themselves stay.  I want as many of the ships and vehicles to stick around.  The EU Imperial Navy ships are far more interesting than just having ISDs all over the place.

/I also want Disney to get Fantasy Flight or someone to make another attempt at a fleet-level miniatures game.  WotC's attempt wasn't terrible, and FFG's X-Wing is just too small in scale (and the minis are way too expensive).


Goddamn it Disney, release a modern version of X-Wing vs Tie Fighter with decent multiplayer, call it "Rogue Squadron" or whatever, and get whoever built Scrooge McDuck's treasure vault to build you a few to hold all the money that will pour in.  You're welcome.
 
2014-01-11 09:24:59 AM

Parthenogenetic: There are two things that MUST be preserved as canon.

HK-47

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x333]

And Skippy, the Jedi droid.

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 200x251]

Can droids manifest as Force ghosts?  Because that would be awesome.


Why not? Force ghosts are most likely high frequency energy patterns.
 
2014-01-11 09:25:55 AM

Parthenogenetic: Goddamn it Disney, release a modern version of X-Wing vs Tie Fighter with decent multiplayer, call it "Rogue Squadron" or whatever, and get whoever built Scrooge McDuck's treasure vault to build you a few to hold all the money that will pour in.  You're welcome.


Make sure there's a MacOS X version, and I'll wait in line outside the store on opening day.
 
2014-01-11 09:48:05 AM
Having read articles by Pablo HIdalgo and Leland Chee, they can certainly appeal to the EU stuff the fans love and trash the ones the fans hated.  I think they know what they are doing in that respect.  But yes, most of the stuff post ROTJ sucked.  They can leave the Legacy series - the one with Darth Krayt - well enough alone because it's far enough into the future, but if they're trashing the Yuuzhan Vong then I guess Darth Krayt goes bye bye too.
 
2014-01-11 10:07:11 AM

rocky_howard: Considering they threw enough money at Harry Ford that he forgot about his integrity and is playing the part again, I'm sure they realize that.


Harrison Ford does not have his head far enough up his ass for his "artistic integrity" or whatever bullshiat pretentious asshole actors imagine they have, to apply.  He's a guy who will do a bit in exchange for money so long as he feels someone might enjoy watching it, and has  never claimed his shiat is any kind of high art.

Indy 4 and coming back for the new SW movies is entirely in-character for him, because he's basically a nice guy that knows what his job is.  It's put him in bad movies before, deal with it.

// There are exactly two actors in hollywood skilled enough for "artistic integrity" to be a legitimate thing: Ian McKellan in dramatic roles and Ron Perlman acting thorugh heavy makeup.  And neither of them give a shiat, so there you have it-- your complaint is a silly one in general.
 
2014-01-11 10:20:39 AM

AtlanticCoast63: The original novelization and SOTME were both written by Alan Dean Foster and both were reviewed and approved by Lucas.  Everything in those books is canon, no matter what Darth Mouse says.


Splinter of the Mind's Eye is hardly canon and Lucas would be the first to say so. He rejected it in favor of Empire Strikes Back and good thing too. Luke and Leia get it on, Vader is clearly not Anakin Skywalker, George Lucas said something about it existing in a parallel universe, or something.
 
2014-01-11 10:23:30 AM
Hollywood loves remakes and reboots.

Reboot the prequels.

That is all.
 
2014-01-11 10:34:21 AM

Ed Grubermann: Good. The EU stuff, with rare exception, is garbage.

/Boba Fett died in the giant sand vagina. Get over it.


This.
 
2014-01-11 10:49:17 AM

Zombalupagus: Hollywood loves remakes and reboots.

Reboot the prequels.

That is all.


This can't/won't happen until Lucas pops his clogs.
 
2014-01-11 10:58:38 AM

fastbow: voran: Hey now, the Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron stuff was pretty good.

If they keep that - along with the comic arcs too - then I won't complain about much else. I'll miss Thrawn, the adventures of Young Han Solo and not-so-young Han Solo, Dark Forces, The Courtship of Princess Leia, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and Lando's adventures, but I won't complain.

Hey Disney, while you're listening, would it kill you to get us a remake of X-Wing Alliance?


Sure, but it's owned by electronic arts, now. So prepare to pay $19.99 for a DLC B-Wing...
 
2014-01-11 10:59:06 AM

Jim_Callahan: // There are exactly two actors in hollywood skilled enough for "artistic integrity" to be a legitimate thing: Ian McKellan in dramatic roles and Ron Perlman acting thorugh heavy makeup.  And neither of them give a shiat, so there you have it-- your complaint is a silly one in general.


You forgot Patrick Stewart.  It seems like "not giving a shiat" is a thread among talented people.

I gave up on the EU after Kevin J. Anderson myself, but I would be hella surprised if they "forgot" Mara Jade.  For serious, the extra-special Force-powered chick that gets paired up with the bestest Jedi in all the universe?  Yeah, the chicks who stayed plugged in to Doctor Who because of who they got to ship would buy tickets for that, and Disney knows that.
 
2014-01-11 11:01:24 AM

Zombalupagus: Hollywood loves remakes and reboots.

Reboot the prequels.

That is all.


This time Shia LaBeouf will be Anakin Skywalker.
 
2014-01-11 11:10:18 AM
This actually doesn't bother me. New writers have a new starting point to create a new EU.

The EU is dead. long live the EU.
 
2014-01-11 11:26:18 AM

QT_3.14159: .

KOTOR's biggest problem was that if you played the game as a female Bastila was such a horrific biatch to you that it made the game much less enjoyable, or at least not as replayable. I get that she was nice to the male player character and the boys love her, but ugh. She was so awful that she regularly got paired up with Canderous in (female written) fan fiction so she could get some rough lovin' and hopefully not be quite so much of a biatch... As much as I love Carth, he really couldn't quite make up for the horribleness of having to deal with Bastila.


It's odd because when played through as a male character Carth comes across as a whiny biatch. Most of the women who i know who have played KotOR dislike Bastila and liked Carth while most of the ment couldn't stand Carth and liked Bastila.

Carth is even worse than headache boy from Mass Effect.

/Best line every from some one watching one of the Reven cut scenes when the character was female
//"Is it me or does Reven have a girly walk"
 
2014-01-11 11:27:59 AM
As long as they keep selling me the "non canon" books on my kindle I don't care what they say about them.
 
2014-01-11 11:34:10 AM
It's about farking time this happened.
 
2014-01-11 11:36:42 AM
The only novel I ever purchased was 'crystal of the minds eye' which was immediately rendered out of canon by 'empire'.
If Disney could do more outside the timeline of the movies, I'd be up for it.
I'm so sick of another story that's wedged between two already existing events. It removes all dramatic tension if you already know if anything affects the timeline.
 
2014-01-11 11:40:12 AM
The Timothy Zahn trilogy from the 90s was pretty good. Everything that I read after that came across as fan fiction-level crap.

There are only so many times I'm going to buy that the fate of the entire universe rests in the hands of like 4 people.  I'd really, really love it if Disney would just start telling stories about other characters, other times, etc. I'd love to see something really well done depicting the formation of the Jedi, the establishment of the Old Republic, etc.
 
2014-01-11 11:43:20 AM
Esroc
I really don't want them to throw out the Vong War. That arc really needed to be distilled down into four or five novels tops, but taken as a whole I greatly enjoyed it.


While I've forgotten most of it, I certainly didn't mind going through them.
Maybe it's also because I only know the EU as audio stories and I believe those are abridged (i.e. already slightly "distilled").
Plus they aren't pure audiobooks, they added some Star Wars music and sound effects; hearing guns, lightssabers, engines, "hero music" and whatnot creates a nice Star Wars atmosphere and some additional entertainment.
 
2014-01-11 11:56:32 AM
I for one am grateful. There is a lot of horrendous crap in the books. From Kevin Anderson (Worst Author EVAR!!!! May him and his descendants lose their writing/typing hands in tragic nosepicking accidents!) to Dave Wolverton who wrote the courtship of Princess Leia and his insurmountably idiotic concepts of why Happan ships are better than Imperial Star Destroyers.

And De-crapify is my new favorite word.

Losing Thrawn and HK-47 would make me sad, however. Though it would be worth the trade-off if Disney could be convinced to get rid of Jar-Jar, the changed versions of the original trilogy, metachlorians and the droids from the prequels.
 
2014-01-11 11:57:16 AM

Nadie_AZ: Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.



Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


So much hope then. I lived off WEG supplements and the dawning of additional material. I think we were so desperate anything sounded good.

And X-wing and TIE fighter. Oh how I enjoyed being a loyal servant of the emperor.
 
2014-01-11 11:58:27 AM

Leishu: Bslim: Ohhh boy, they're going Trekkify this biatch, Abrams style. Seriuosly, fark these huys.

Honestly, the Abrams Trek pacing seemed like it would absolutely be perfect for a Star Wars film to me, but maybe that's just me.


He totally star warsified Star Trek, I've been peddling that for a long time. He'd do just fine with sw.
 
2014-01-11 12:01:15 PM
West End Games D6 Star Wars RPG is the only non Original Trilogy canon that I care for.

/Great game.
 
2014-01-11 12:01:30 PM

Parthenogenetic: There are two things that MUST be preserved as canon.

HK-47

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x333]

And Skippy, the Jedi droid.

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 200x251]

Can droids manifest as Force ghosts?  Because that would be awesome.


George Lucas is such a meatbag.
 
x23
2014-01-11 12:05:56 PM
like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.
 
2014-01-11 12:10:21 PM

x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.


And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.
 
2014-01-11 12:13:50 PM

MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.


I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.
 
2014-01-11 12:17:56 PM

Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.


People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.
 
2014-01-11 12:21:29 PM

FunkOut: Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.

People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.


To me, they're a perfect representation of the moment when Lucas decided that merchandising was more important than telling a good story.

A lot of people seem to hate the fact that Disney bought the SW franchise, but I see it as a chance to undo a terrible mistake and maybe get a chance to tell a story that has a focus other than being a vehicle for merchandising.

Yes, I know Disney will be selling SW stuff.  No, I don't think that they'll sacrifice the integrity of the story in order to do so.  If they had that in mind, they would never have brought Kasden back in to write the new movies.
 
2014-01-11 12:21:50 PM

seancdaug: Most of the EU sucks, especially in recent years. But then, the prequels sucked equally hard, and Return of the Jedi wasn't any great shakes, either, so that's hardly unique to them. I'd much rather have Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy than Attack of the Clones, for instance.

"

I love Star Wars. Except the EU. And the prequels. And RotJ. And the spinoff movies."

I hate to break it to you, but I don't think you like Star Wars. That's ok. You don't have to.

I like all 6 movies, except I always get sleepy during Empire. I liked the Clone Wars, what episodes I watched out of order with my son. I'm looking forward to the next series. I loved Tie Fighter, and some of the other games.

You know what's awesome? Lightsabers. Will the new movies have lightsabers? Yes.

I'm annoyed with how the Jedi were portrayed in the prequels, but it beat the fact that the Jedi were basically history in the original trilogy. Maybe the new movies will improve it. I kinda hope we get a good compelling story out of it. But it doesn't have to be. It's supposed to be a little cheesy.
 
2014-01-11 12:23:31 PM
Disney needs to do the right thing and release the 70mm Technicolor print of Star Wars, or use it in the process to create a Blu-Ray or even plain DVD.

(To be clear, though, the 70mm print is *not* said to include anything extra.)

George Lucas may still retain a copy (there are said to be 3) unless he sold that to Disney, and I am assuming that's more likely than not.

And on a slightly different track, yes, the version of Star Wars that CBS would play often in the early 80s did have the Biggs scenes included. This is being confused with the false notion that it was ever shown in theaters.  (Yes, that includes Luke witnessing the battle in the beginning.)

Star Wars Insider provided some proof of this in some issues back in the late 90s during the big hoopla surround the Special Editions.
However, the Biggs scenes and the early scene of Luke was cut out of the film  before it was released in '77 after a viewing with Spielberg and Scorsese and of course we never shown in theaters.Still, I clearly remember the scenes being shown on a "Special Presentation" of Star Wars on CBS in 1981 or perhaps 1982.


I'd have to dig around for the exact issues (2 of them), but they exist and clearly there is another version of Star Wars either in possession of CBS, George Lucas, or Disney, or all.

Yes, I watched Luke fail at the first grappling hook attempt many times on TV in the early 80s and if you do a control-f for "grappling" http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/star-wars-lost-footage.html on that page, you'll go to a spot where it's briefly discussed, and I'm not the only person who remembers.

Some Star Wars fan will be a real hero if they can produce of those alternate edits on VHS and Disney could do wonder with a pristine 70mm print of SW. (not A New Hope 1981)
 
2014-01-11 12:27:09 PM
Sorry for the typos, but as far as the EU, it's not as "important" than finding the missing materials of such an insanely popular movie that started it all.

Besides, Disney can't force you (ha) to accept their version of the EU.
 
2014-01-11 12:29:11 PM

FunkOut: Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.

People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.


No hate. I just found it silly the furballs took out an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops with sticks and stones. If that was the Emperor's best no wonder the Empire lost.
 
2014-01-11 12:37:12 PM
One thing I can add is that Leia gave Luke a disappointing Luke when he missed, making the next try all the more exciting when it made its mark.

I never gave it much thought because I would not own Star Wars or its sequels until 1990, so as far as I was concerned in my boy mind, that is what was shown in theaters.

After 1990, occasionally there would be TV presentations of Star Wars that were identical to my official VHS copies except that Luke would say: "Blast it, Wedge, where are you?" instead of: "Blast it, Biggs, where are you?"     And if you watch the film, Luke is turned away as he says the name of the person, so it was an easy edit. That's another TV-only(?) gem that needs to be unearthed.
 
2014-01-11 12:39:13 PM

MechaPyx: FunkOut: Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.

People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.

No hate. I just found it silly the furballs took out an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops with sticks and stones. If that was the Emperor's best no wonder the Empire lost.


They were psychotic bears with hands and stone age weapons. I would have given them fangs and poison saliva.
 
2014-01-11 12:39:22 PM
shiat "disappointing LOOK"

There's got to be at least one farker old enough who remembers the alternate versions. (and again, yes I know they weren't shown in theaters...as far as I know, though some argue the early 70mm prints do contain more scenes, not just side information)
 
2014-01-11 12:39:40 PM

jonny_q: "I hate to break it to you, but I don't think you like Star Wars. That's ok. You don't have to."


You're not breaking anything to me, actually. I'd never describe myself as a Star Wars fan. At its best, I consider it a decent, but (SFX aside) generally unremarkable action/adventure franchise. At its worst it's... a not very good action/adventure franchise.

There are bits and pieces of it I quite like, though, and I admire the scope of the expanded universe quite a bit. But, probably like most of its theatrical audience, I'm a casual follower at best.
 
2014-01-11 12:42:14 PM

Infernalist: To me, they're a perfect representation of the moment when Lucas decided that merchandising was more important than telling a good story.


Merchandising my ass, it was clearly a metaphor for Vietnam.
 
2014-01-11 12:48:50 PM
Canon: Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Manning newspaper strips, Han Solo trilogy, Lando's trilogy & Shadows of the Empire.

Everything else can go fark itself and DIAF.
 
2014-01-11 12:52:22 PM
Only the original trilogy counts anyway.
 
2014-01-11 12:56:46 PM

verbaltoxin: Only the original trilogy counts anyway.


Only the first two movies count.  ROTJ was crap.
 
2014-01-11 12:57:56 PM
As long as the scene on the first Death Star with the stormtrooper smashing his head into the door doesn't get chopped I will remain a happy camper.
 
2014-01-11 12:58:13 PM

Infernalist: verbaltoxin: Only the original trilogy counts anyway.

Only the first two movies count.  ROTJ was crap.


I see you were born before 1980.
 
2014-01-11 01:04:49 PM

verbaltoxin: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: Only the original trilogy counts anyway.

Only the first two movies count.  ROTJ was crap.

I see you were born before 1980.


How'd you guess?
 
2014-01-11 01:12:38 PM

95BV5: Canon: Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Manning newspaper strips, Han Solo trilogy, Lando's trilogy & Shadows of the Empire.

Everything else can go fark itself and DIAF.


I really like Splinter and the Lando trilogy.
 
2014-01-11 01:13:18 PM
Jensaarai:

It's not like they're pulling a Trek where they're undoing TV shows/movies. And besides, the whole thing became a giant mess after all the retconning they had to pull to kinda-sorta make it fit with the prequels.

Actually that's what made the Trek method so great. All of the original series happened but the new stuff is an alternate timeline where things are going differently, they aren't undoing anything.
 
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