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2014-01-11 03:15:24 AM

Esroc: FirstNationalBastard: Apparently, in the extended universe, the way to tell if someone's an evil clone is to see if they have a double vowel in their name.

This is what people are going to miss?

The double vowel was a literary device to help the reader differentiate between the prime character and their clone. You're not actually supposed to pronounce it.


I drew goatees on all the double vowels, so I could remember they were clones.
 
2014-01-11 03:15:39 AM

rogue49: Chewy is back...


This is pretty much the cherry on top of the good news that this article reveals.

Most of the EU stuff is crap and deserves to be flushed.  I can only hope that they distill the Thrawn content and give it a better ending.  Thrawn was far too interesting of a character to die so quickly.

If I had my way, he'd be 'the' focusing agent of the Imperial forces in the next 3 movies.

Everything else, they can trash as far as I'm concerned.
 
2014-01-11 03:17:45 AM

rocky_howard: Jesus, that was a horrible article. Seems the writer only knew two references / literary figures: Mary Sue and vomit inducing. He kept repeating it over and over. We get it, you hate the EU, shut up now.


It's not the author's fault that the the EU was almost entirely composed of vomit-inducing overuse of hackneyed plot devices and introducing Mary Sues as a way of getting things moving,.

(But it is the author's fault that s/he seems to desperately need a thesaurus)
 
2014-01-11 03:21:58 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Nadie_AZ: Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.

Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.

Yep. I was a die hard Star Wars fan until the prequels came out. Now I don't give a shiat. I'll probably go see the new ones because they should be fun space action movies, but I no longer care about the mythology or the story. Star Wars is kinda lame now.


That's good. You've taken your first step into a larger world.
/ now go talk to a girl :)
 
2014-01-11 03:24:39 AM

Infernalist: rogue49: Chewy is back...

This is pretty much the cherry on top of the good news that this article reveals.

Most of the EU stuff is crap and deserves to be flushed.  I can only hope that they distill the Thrawn content and give it a better ending.  Thrawn was far too interesting of a character to die so quickly.

If I had my way, he'd be 'the' focusing agent of the Imperial forces in the next 3 movies.

Everything else, they can trash as far as I'm concerned.


I really don't want them to throw out the Vong War. That arc really needed to be distilled down into four or five novels tops, but taken as a whole I greatly enjoyed it. The Yuuzhan Vong were interesting characters with fascinating culture and technology and development of the Solo kids over the series was fantastic.

They can keep Legacy and Fate though. I'm still pissed off that they farked up Jacen Solo so badly. He could've been the most badass Sith Lord since Darth Vader but terrible writing dropped that ball hard.
 
2014-01-11 03:49:17 AM

Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.


Think of it this way. When the next movie comes out, your head won't explode due to the force of retcons of retcons of... I dunno how many retcon situations you'd be looking at, but if the EU is really that sprawling, there have to be contradictions up the wazoo. I am familiar with decades-old comic book multiverses. I know how this works.

/It's not like they're rebooting the whole Star Wars universe
//They are not DC Comics
///Yeah, I went there
 
2014-01-11 03:52:58 AM

Canton: Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.

Think of it this way. When the next movie comes out, your head won't explode due to the force of retcons of retcons of... I dunno how many retcon situations you'd be looking at, but if the EU is really that sprawling, there have to be contradictions up the wazoo. I am familiar with decades-old comic book multiverses. I know how this works.

/It's not like they're rebooting the whole Star Wars universe
//They are not DC Comics
///Yeah, I went there


True true. I gave up on DC Comics around the Infinite Crisis hooplah in the early 2000's and never looked back. Just got too convoluted, even for someone like me who pays attention to Star Wars canon meticulously.

I'm warming up to the idea of streamlining the EU now though. I just hope they don't throw out too much.
 
2014-01-11 04:09:23 AM
Most of the EU sucks, especially in recent years. But then, the prequels sucked equally hard, and Return of the Jedi wasn't any great shakes, either, so that's hardly unique to them. I'd much rather have Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy than Attack of the Clones, for instance.

This isn't really a surprising development, to be sure, but it's disappointing. More so than the individual stories themselves, the Star Wars Expanded Universe's system of tiered canonicity was brilliant: it allowed hardcore fans to wallow in the sort of obsessive minutiae in which hardcore fans like wallowing, while preventing the franchise from becoming bogged down for general audiences. Everyone knew, and pretty much accepted (if grudgingly) that whatever Lucas put in the movies took precedence over what anyone else said in the books or comics. At the same time, those lower priority stories still counted at least at some level, and allowed the Star Wars franchise to grow and evolve somewhat organically. It's a large part of the reason why, despite what one might think of the flagship material, licensed Star Wars fiction has always been more interesting and worthwhile than, say, licensed Star Trek fiction. As long as you're going to stick with canonicity at all (as opposed to something like the BBC's unofficial policy of "don't talk to us about canon" with regards to Doctor Who), it's hard to think of a better model than Star Wars.

The stories themselves? Eh, who really cares? A lot of them weren't great, and even the ones that were will still be out there to enjoy. But the EU system itself? That's a real loss, and the op-ed here reads like bad PR copy. The fact of the matter is, Disney is still going to license the hell out of Star Wars, and most of the stuff emerging from those licenses are going to be of roughly the same quality level we're familiar with. Taking an axe to the EU, as a system, has nothing to do with getting rid of the crap. It's a bit like tossing out your refrigerator because you never clean it out and the food keeps growing mold.
 
2014-01-11 04:12:17 AM

Canton: Think of it this way. When the next movie comes out, your head won't explode due to the force of retcons of retcons of... I dunno how many retcon situations you'd be looking at, but if the EU is really that sprawling, there have to be contradictions up the wazoo. I am familiar with decades-old comic book multiverses. I know how this works.


I kind of liked the Doctor Who method of just not giving a shiat about trying to make sense of 50 years work of continuity by dozens of creative teams, but lately the show has played things a little too fast and loose to the point where is it just feels like things are being pulled of out their asses and lazily rectconned instead of even trying to make it fit. Plus, with time travel and history constantly being rewritten, that show has a certain liberty with making continuity multiple choice that Star Wars doesn't. At the same time, I feel like there are some hardcore sci-fi fans who take the continuity a little TOO seriously and aren't willing to let things slide for decade old franchises, to the point where Star Trek had to include a plot point about parallel timelines in order to give themselves room to do something different in the new movies (only to rehash The Wrath of Khan in the second movie).
 
2014-01-11 04:21:37 AM

Esroc: True true. I gave up on DC Comics around the Infinite Crisis hooplah in the early 2000's and never looked back. Just got too convoluted, even for someone like me who pays attention to Star Wars canon meticulously.


You made a wise choice. I picked up Final Crisis recently in a Comixology sale, and this was how I felt at the end of the whole thing when Superman sings Darkseid away and then summons an army of Supermen fought a vampire Monitor at the end of the universe, with the whole vampire thing somehow tied into a weirdly literal interpretation of the Bleed from the Wildstorm comics.

static3.wikia.nocookie.net

Then they retconned it all away soon after with the New 52, making that whole Crisis kind of pointless.
 
2014-01-11 04:24:36 AM
After years of hearing people talk about how good the Thrawn books were (being a big fan of the KOTOR games, mostly - I also kind of like the prequels for what they are) I found them to be incredibly underwhelming. Just kinda. Meh. Nothing to write home about.
 
2014-01-11 04:31:26 AM
Hey now, the Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron stuff was pretty good.
 
2014-01-11 04:36:26 AM

voran: Hey now, the Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron stuff was pretty good.


'Yub yub, Commander.'
 
2014-01-11 04:46:18 AM
it'd be a shame if they dump the heir to the empire books, as they are among the very few parts of non-movie stuff that doesn't suck

then again i detest the prequels, don't really care for jedi, and am ambivalent about a new hope

/empire was decent
 
2014-01-11 04:50:34 AM
I have a feeling that Jacen and Jaina are probably toast, just because their names are so unspeakably awful. They just remind me of those terrible late-90s baby names like Jaden, with a bit of the weird stripper spelling mixed in ("No, not "Jason" with an 'so', with a 'ce'.") With the children of the leads of the OT most likely major characters in the new trilogy, I'm betting the first order of business is fixing the goofy names from the EU with something that works better on film. That, combined with the pointlessness of making Mara around Mark Hammill's age probably means that the entire family history will be rewritten.
 
2014-01-11 05:01:02 AM
So basically, keep Thrawn, keep the Yuuzhan Vong and dump the rest?  Makes my reading list shorter (although I wouldn't mind checking out Outbound Flight).  Just finishing up the whole Vong thing now.  Ridiculously padded, but still a good read.  And dark.  Good lord, it's dark.  I'd love to see it made into movies, but there is absolutely no way the newly Disneyfied Star Wars will make a movie about a genocidal war.  I could just imagine the merchandising potential.  "Hey kids, buy a Happy Meal and get a Yammosk!"
 
2014-01-11 05:07:53 AM
They can gut pretty much everything, but I want three things to still be more or less untouched after the cut.

Heir to the Empire (or at least Thrawn)

Shadows of the Empire (George considers it canon and it was developed to be a canon story sans movie, so it's probably safe)

The X-Wing series.  Specifically, all of Rogue Squadron, all of Wraith Squadron, The Courtship of Princess Leia, and maybe I, Jedi.  Not great writing, but oozes great Star Wars on every page.

Hell, I honestly think they could safely scrap any plans to re-feature the original cast and instead just make Rogue Squadron a film trilogy.  People would love it.  Retake the galactic capital against a despotic maniac in a daring secret raid?  With barely any Jedi in sight (a certain character's Force sensitivity can either be ignored or explored lightly to great effect)?  Good stories make good movies.
 
2014-01-11 05:15:04 AM

thecactusman17: They can gut pretty much everything, but I want three things to still be more or less untouched after the cut.

Heir to the Empire (or at least Thrawn)

Shadows of the Empire (George considers it canon and it was developed to be a canon story sans movie, so it's probably safe)

The X-Wing series.  Specifically, all of Rogue Squadron, all of Wraith Squadron, The Courtship of Princess Leia, and maybe I, Jedi.  Not great writing, but oozes great Star Wars on every page.

Hell, I honestly think they could safely scrap any plans to re-feature the original cast and instead just make Rogue Squadron a film trilogy.  People would love it.  Retake the galactic capital against a despotic maniac in a daring secret raid?  With barely any Jedi in sight (a certain character's Force sensitivity can either be ignored or explored lightly to great effect)?  Good stories make good movies.


Agreed.. though the first couple of X-Wing books were rather cheesy.  The first chapter of the first book was based upon one of the missions in the X-Wing computer game, which was rather cool, but never repeated.

Prince Xizor was a pretty good villain, if rather wasted on a single book.  Dash Rengar, please, no.
 
2014-01-11 05:15:59 AM

voran: Hey now, the Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron stuff was pretty good.


If they keep that - along with the comic arcs too - then I won't complain about much else. I'll miss Thrawn, the adventures of Young Han Solo and not-so-young Han Solo, Dark Forces, The Courtship of Princess Leia, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and Lando's adventures, but I won't complain.

Hey Disney, while you're listening, would it kill you to get us a remake of X-Wing Alliance?
 
2014-01-11 05:18:44 AM
Xizor rape-scent stuff was kinda creepy tho.
 
2014-01-11 05:23:45 AM
I wonder who they could get for Xizor's Human Replica Droid.. looks like a gorgeous blonde human women, but with strength and speed to make her Xizor's personal Terminator.

Eh, they probably won't ever film that.
 
Esn
2014-01-11 05:44:08 AM
Um, you know what? I don't care what Disney decides is "canon" and what isn't.

Just because they paid an enormous amount of money for the Star Wars IP, that doesn't give them the right to decide which stories I should pay attention to.

Yeah, it gives them the LEGAL right, but I can still think what I want. And what I think is that Lucas's prequel movies sucked and that nothing related to them is canon - the original Expanded Universe is generally a lot more appealing (despite it having some bad writers as well - that was bound to happen).

It's just a shame that Disney will now use their censorship powers to prevent any new stories being written in that universe. (other than fan fiction, I assume)
 
2014-01-11 05:48:31 AM

Alphax: burning_bridge: I bought the 3 Zahn books for 25 cents a pop at some bookstore ages ago.  I actually made it through them, I think.  I just remember them being really boring.  For the life of me I never understood the appeal of the Mara Jade character, past her 90's chop-socky Daikatana-esque name that old dorks seem to jizz over.

Let's see.. a skilled smuggler who turns out to have been a force-sensitive field agent of the Emperor; she hates Skywalker passionately for ruining her life.  When she finally meets him face to face, he isn't like she imagined, and eventually figures out that some of that hatred was coming from the late Emperor from beyond the grave.  They part ways now and then, and eventually get married about a decade or so later.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-11 05:51:07 AM

optikeye: Mike_LowELL: You're just mad Jar-Jar Binks is an incredible character that is beloved by all.

I'm still regreating not buying a case of these when I saw them at  K-mart ages ago.

[i1217.photobucket.com image 300x300]

It's a candy tongue...yes...it is.  suck it.


I remember this goth girl I was dating around that time found a gigantic Jar Jar Binks doll on clearance at Toys R Us, and bought it for less than five bucks, marked down from something ilke $50.  She crucified it and hung it over her toilet.

Using the bathroom at her place turned into a debate of "Do I want to look at thing, or turn my back on it?"
 
2014-01-11 05:57:09 AM
This article just makes me want an 'epic stance' "Walt Disney takes an axe to the European Union" picture.


Taking a chopsaw to the cannon still doesn't answer the question "Will Disney EVER be able to make a sci-fi movie that isn't a joke in the bargain bin?"
 
2014-01-11 06:03:53 AM

Esn: Just because they paid an enormous amount of money for the Star Wars IP, that doesn't give them the right to decide which stories I should pay attention to.


What about George Lucas? He explicitly stated that none of the EU is canon multiple times.
 
2014-01-11 06:29:15 AM
Man, I just hope they keep Kyle Katarn around.  The galaxy needs a blue-collar curmudgeon Jedi.
 
2014-01-11 06:30:01 AM

Esroc: I'll still enjoy the old EU. I'm not washing my hands of it. I'm washing my hands of the new shiat. I put in my time with the old universe. I'm not going to keep up with a second universe just because they're too lazy/don't care enough to work with the continuity that every other piece of media in the past has had no goddamn problem adhering to.


i'm not sure what you mean by this.  all the video games, books, comics, etc, didn't adhere to the continuity, they created it.  it's not like some video game by lucasarts had to match the continuity of some fan fiction crap in the expanded universe, they created their own storylines and it became part of the eu because it was an official star wars product.  the only official canon they had to actually stick with was the stuff from the original trilogy, which these movies will also do, i assume.  there is no need for them to try to carry around the plot baggage of 30 years of new additions to the universe.

its like complaining that marvel comics or dc comics titles don't adhere to their own internal continuity.  they can't tell intelligent, meaningful stories when they are so bogged down by years of backstory and contradictory canon.  there's a reason why franchises like the x-men have all those different universes.  would you expect the 1990s x-men cartoon to adhere faithfully to the continuity of the original uncanny x-men comic?  of course not.  the only way to develop new stories and introduce new fans to the franchise is by simplifying the story and disregarding "canon" that gets in the way.

disney is basically trying to re-introduce live action star wars movies to a new generation.  i hate to tell you this, but most star wars fans haven't read the comics, or all the novels, or played most of the games.  they've seen the movies and the clone wars cartoon and that's about it.  so for disney to try to make the new movies fit in with the eu will only confuse all those people who love star wars but have no idea who mara jade is or cade skywalker is.

you should be happy that they are making new movies, not complaining that the movies won't fit perfectly into the expanded universe like some kind of puzzle piece.  if the movies are good then it shouldn't matter if they keep the eu or not.
 
Esn
2014-01-11 06:38:13 AM

Leishu: Esn: Just because they paid an enormous amount of money for the Star Wars IP, that doesn't give them the right to decide which stories I should pay attention to.

What about George Lucas? He explicitly stated that none of the EU is canon multiple times.


So? It's not his baby anymore, it belongs to a whole bunch of people. His attempt to take back control by making more movies (that contradicted some of the already-written backstory) only showed why that's a good thing; the fans (including many of the EU writers) were more in tune with the original vision of Star Wars than George Lucas was. Let's face it, we all become different people with time, and Lucas was not the same person he was when he made the original trilogy - he no longer understood it very well.

It's a travesty that the current copyright law doesn't turn works over into the public domain at the proper time for maximum cultural benefit (the original length of 15 years with optional extension was about right). The 1990s expanded universe should have been allowed to continue and branch off into parallel timelines, and the fandom would have decided what was good and what was not - there should have been no attempt to try and rein everything back in again. Lucas could've made his movies and they would've been one competing vision against many.
 
2014-01-11 06:42:27 AM
Fail tag for Subby, this isn't "spiffy', this sucks (assuming the author of TFA isn't pulling this out of his ass).

Also, for the author of TFA: Your Blog Sucks.

The EU is the main reason I'm anything more than a casual fan of Star Wars.

Yeah, I saw the movies as a kid, I liked them, watched them a lot.

However, that said, I didn't become more interested in Star Wars until the early 1990's with the rise of the EU.  Reading the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, and other EU works that started to fill in the blanks.

In fact, the real zinger was that in Star Wars, as opposed to Star Trek, all the various comics, novels, games and such were all part of one continuity.  A plotline started in a comic book would be referenced in a later novel.  A character introduced in one author's novels would be picked up and expanded in later novels by other authors.  It was forming a single coherent world.

That world went in all kinds of directions both before and after the movies.  We ended up with more than just the breathless re-hashing of

Certainly it was more comprehensive and coherent than other science fiction properties.  There was a time when I ravenously read every Star Trek novel coming out, but eventually the fact that each novel was basically nothing more than a fanfic that would never, ever impact the actual show or cross over with any other authors works meant that it was kinda boring knowing everything had to be status quo at the end and any characters introduced would never be seen again.  At least with Star Wars they had the courage to actually kill off movie characters in the EU and to have elements introduced in the EU appear in the movies.

Frankly, if Disney throws out the EU, I'm throwing out Disney.  The collected continuity and lore of the Star Wars EU, stretching from ~35000 BBY to 140 ABY is worth a lot more to me than anything the Army of the Mouse invents.

I haven't spent ~20 years as a devoted fan of the Star Wars universe, reading novels, reading comics, playing games, learning the history and lore of a whole other galaxy, and all my other fandom to just dump it all one day because Disney walks in and says that they are starting fresh so buy all our new replacement crap.
 
2014-01-11 06:53:20 AM
I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?
 
2014-01-11 07:09:35 AM

CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?


Okay, here's a little primer on Star Wars canon.

There are five (used to be four) tiers of canon.  The reason for the tiers is to resolve conflicts.  If one source says one thing, and another says another, the higher tier is correct.  This is largely to resolve conflicts between sources, especially with some older sources from the late 70s and 1980's before control of continuity was stricter.

"G Canon", for "George", is the top tier.  It consists of the six movies, and the radio plays based off them.  That's the top tier, incontrovertable canon.

"T Canon" for "Television" was created specifically for the Star Wars: The Clone Wars TV series.  It's above other EU materials, but below the movies themselves.

"C Canon" for "Continuity" is the vast bulk of Star Wars EU.  Almost much every novel, comic, and such produced is here.  The overall plot of pretty much every video game falls here too.   Not the gameplay mechanics though (i.e. Kyle Katarn can't really be shot 50 times and heal completely from it in about 5 seconds using The Force, but he did become a Jedi Knight  and defeat Jerec and eventually teach at the Jedi Academy ect.).  Per your inquiry, the Han Solo novels are here.

"S Canon" is "Secondary", those are older works produced before canon was tightly watched (some really old newspaper serial comics from the late '70's and early '80's), I think Splinter of the Mind's Eye was there too.  The things at this level are fit in to the big picture as best they can, they won't officially say "that didn't happen", because the basic plotline still happened, but if there was a "real" Star Wars universe these might be somewhat distorted or inaccurate reflections of what happened.  This level is subject to getting heavily retconned in later works to salvage as much of the plot as possible into the bigger picture.

"N Canon" is "non-canon", these are the only things that officially Never Happened.  These are almost all things that were produced from the start as being non-canon.  The "Infinities" comic books were a good example, as "what if" stories branching off from the movies (i.e. what if Luke died on Hoth and Yoda trained Leia instead).  This is also where gameplay mechanic parts of video games are, like instantly healing upon touching a medpac and such.
 
2014-01-11 07:20:07 AM
The Stars Wars Holiday Special is sacred, everything else is meh.
 
2014-01-11 07:42:47 AM

Silverstaff: CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?

Okay, here's a little primer on Star Wars canon.


[..informative novel..]

Wow.  I *really* hope that wasn't a copy-pasta and you typed that all out..  :D

That honestly does explain a lot to me and I thank you for such..

No insight on the SotME movie, tho'..?  Meh..if it was that low-tiered it was prolly an author's pipe-dream personally axed by Lucas..


Danke..!!
 
2014-01-11 07:45:46 AM
I am pretty happy with the moves Disney is making so far. They're doing their best to reset time to 1984, when we were just dreaming about a Star Wars VII. The only reason all this "extended universe" stuff exists is because we never got it, so people filled the niche as best they could.

But now Disney is giving us Star Wars VII. So all that crap isn't needed anymore. That's pretty cool to me.
 
2014-01-11 07:53:29 AM
I've played a lot of Star Wars video games and read a number of the EU books, and I don't see a reason for insisting any of it is canon. Ultimately Star Wars is science fiction fantasy with a hefty dose of prophecies to drive the plot. And none of the EU that I saw had much in the way of prophecies or actual universe development, mostly just heroes, armies, and very occaisionally, romance. Essentially, melodrama, not drama.

I will, however, be displeased if they replace the existing EU with worse stuff, and some of the EU actually sets a high bar.
 
2014-01-11 08:12:07 AM
I suspect they want cameos of the original characters in the new films, and being that they're all old now it makes it difficult to try and incorporate history most are unaware of into the new movies.

I'm also thankful I won't have to worry about spoilers or nerdy fans letting me know that they are privy to future events when they pipe up with a "Wait till you see happens next."
 
2014-01-11 08:13:09 AM

CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?


It is my understanding (said understanding being about 30something years old) was that SOTME was a 'plan B' if the first movie didn't do well it gave them a basis to keep it going. Myself,  I always thought that it should have been part of the second movie.

The original novelization and SOTME were both written by Alan Dean Foster and both were reviewed and approved by Lucas.  Everything in those books is canon, no matter what Darth Mouse says.
 
2014-01-11 08:15:12 AM
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2014-01-11 08:26:24 AM
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of authors suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something wondrous has happened."

My faith in Disney has been maintained.
 
2014-01-11 08:30:47 AM

RoyFokker'sGhost: I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.


This, right here.  Mara Jade, Thrawn, and a good bit of the Rogue Squadron material is just too easy to successfully merchandise for them to throw it away.

I'm not enough of a neckbearded grognard to get upset if huge chunks of the canon get erased, as long as most of the toys themselves stay.  I want as many of the ships and vehicles to stick around.  The EU Imperial Navy ships are far more interesting than just having ISDs all over the place.

/I also want Disney to get Fantasy Flight or someone to make another attempt at a fleet-level miniatures game.  WotC's attempt wasn't terrible, and FFG's X-Wing is just too small in scale (and the minis are way too expensive).
 
2014-01-11 08:39:16 AM

AtlanticCoast63: CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?

It is my understanding (said understanding being about 30something years old) was that SOTME was a 'plan B' if the first movie didn't do well it gave them a basis to keep it going. Myself,  I always thought that it should have been part of the second movie.

The original novelization and SOTME were both written by Alan Dean Foster and both were reviewed and approved by Lucas.  Everything in those books is canon, no matter what Darth Mouse says.



Well, now..I fergot that SotME was an ADF vehicle and that explanation makes a lot of sense, too..  So it's likely far higher in the 'old' tiered system, then..?

Damn, wish they'd had to go with Plan B..heh..  :)
 
2014-01-11 08:45:50 AM

sadbad: After years of hearing people talk about how good the Thrawn books were (being a big fan of the KOTOR games, mostly - I also kind of like the prequels for what they are) I found them to be incredibly underwhelming. Just kinda. Meh. Nothing to write home about.


To my, they read like rejected SF manuscripts that had a hasty "replace all" done on them, turning all the non-SW stuff into SW stuff.
 
2014-01-11 08:48:43 AM
CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson
 
2014-01-11 08:56:35 AM

Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson


Those two statements seem somewhat contradictory to me, and while I disagree with your tastes, vehemently, I respect that they are yours to decide alone. :)
 
2014-01-11 09:00:43 AM

Jim_Callahan: QT_3.14159: Don't judge. Fan fiction was the only way to redeem the storyline for kotor 2.

KotOR 2's story wasn't  bad, it was just really middle-of-the-road, boilerplate science fiction stuff.  Which was disappointing by contrast to the first game, sure, but the first game was pretty much the best RPG for five years in either direction (with the possible exception of Deus Ex.  And I guess shadow of the colossus if you'd call that an RPG).


Meep!  No, I found the KOTOR 2 storyline to be much more compelling than the first, really.  It was just unfinished and needed some resolution. Hence, the fan fiction.

KOTOR's biggest problem was that if you played the game as a female Bastila was such a horrific biatch to you that it made the game much less enjoyable, or at least not as replayable.  I get that she was nice to the male player character and the boys love her, but ugh.  She was so awful that she regularly got paired up with Canderous in (female written) fan fiction so she could get some rough lovin' and hopefully not be quite so much of a biatch...  As much as I love Carth, he really couldn't quite make up for the horribleness of having to deal with Bastila.
 
2014-01-11 09:01:58 AM

Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson


For now, he can always be killed off later.
 
2014-01-11 09:05:56 AM
Ohhh boy, they're going Trekkify this biatch, Abrams style. Seriuosly, fark these huys.
 
2014-01-11 09:07:33 AM

texdent: Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson

For now, he can always be killed off later.


I just hope he dies in a less silly way next time.
 
2014-01-11 09:08:23 AM

Bslim: Ohhh boy, they're going Trekkify this biatch, Abrams style. Seriuosly, fark these huys.


Honestly, the Abrams Trek pacing seemed like it would absolutely be perfect for a Star Wars film to me, but maybe that's just me.
 
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