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(Ars Technica)   The Star Wars Expanded Universe is getting sucked into a black hole   (arstechnica.com) divider line 212
    More: Spiffy, Star Wars, Expanded Universe, Star Wars Expanded Universe, Timothy Zahn, Disney, tieins, Lawrence Kasdan, Anthony Daniels  
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2014-01-10 08:24:47 PM  
Oh boy.
 
2014-01-10 08:38:52 PM  
Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.

static1.wikia.nocookie.net

Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.
 
2014-01-10 09:10:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


You're just mad Jar-Jar Binks is an incredible character that is beloved by all.
 
2014-01-10 09:15:45 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.

You're just mad Jar-Jar Binks is an incredible character that is beloved by all.


Jar Jar's death hit me pretty hard. 

I never really know how to sell the sarcasm.
 
2014-01-10 09:30:11 PM  

Mike_LowELL: You're just mad Jar-Jar Binks is an incredible character that is beloved by all.


I'm still regreating not buying a case of these when I saw them at  K-mart ages ago.

i1217.photobucket.com

It's a candy tongue...yes...it is.  suck it.
 
2014-01-10 09:34:08 PM  
Getting?  I think it's been that way for a long time..

I can't see what it matters that the EU is getting slashed... The movies have always been top tier, and anything Kasdan writes will overwrite anything else.  This is probably going to be ok... I hope.

It means my crappy KOTOR 2 fan fic is even further from being legitimate, I guess, but oh well.  We'll just drag out the Fanon category for the old EU stuff, I guess...

Don't judge. Fan fiction was the only way to redeem the storyline for kotor 2.
 
2014-01-10 09:53:37 PM  
Does this mean no more Luke and Mara?
 
2014-01-10 10:16:04 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


You need to play Knights of the Old Republic, stat.

/not the mmo
//the d20 based single player RPG
///it will rekindle your love of star wars
 
2014-01-10 10:30:23 PM  

neuroflare: ///it will rekindle your love of star wars


ok, after reading the article nothing I hope THAT part of the EU is not wrecktified. You can't just write off the most powerful Jedi ever THAT easily, right?
 
2014-01-10 10:38:13 PM  

neuroflare: neuroflare: ///it will rekindle your love of star wars

ok, after reading the article nothing I hope THAT part of the EU is not wrecktified. You can't just write off the most powerful Jedi ever THAT easily, right?


They might, they might not.  I think they're going to pick and choose the stuff that works with what they're doing.  The KOTOR canon is distant enough it doesn't really effect the movie timeline, so it might be spared.  Though I wouldn't mind if they'd wipe out crappy "Revan" novel Drew Karpashyn wrote... As a KOTOR 2 fan, that book still pisses me off just to think of it.
 
2014-01-10 11:54:27 PM  
Just have someone from "A New Hope" go back in time before the prequels and reboot everything.  Maybe throw in a time traveling Sith pissed because Coruscant got eaten by a supernova or something.
 
2014-01-11 01:23:20 AM  
As long as Kevin J. Anderson is sent down the memory hole, I'm ok with this.
 
2014-01-11 01:25:01 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.



Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


Yep. I was a die hard Star Wars fan until the prequels came out. Now I don't give a shiat. I'll probably go see the new ones because they should be fun space action movies, but I no longer care about the mythology or the story. Star Wars is kinda lame now.
 
2014-01-11 01:25:17 AM  
static3.wikia.nocookie.net

As long as they keep Jaxxon, I'll be happy.
 
2014-01-11 01:28:54 AM  
Good.  Thrawn alone makes me hate the EU, let alone his little force eating tree weasels.  The sooner they jettison that Zahn garbage, the better.
 
2014-01-11 01:29:00 AM  
Relevant to my interests.
 
2014-01-11 01:32:30 AM  

QT_3.14159: Don't judge. Fan fiction was the only way to redeem the storyline for kotor 2.


KotOR 2's story wasn't  bad, it was just really middle-of-the-road, boilerplate science fiction stuff.  Which was disappointing by contrast to the first game, sure, but the first game was pretty much the best RPG for five years in either direction (with the possible exception of Deus Ex.  And I guess shadow of the colossus if you'd call that an RPG).
 
2014-01-11 01:42:41 AM  
I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.
 
2014-01-11 01:47:33 AM  
Jesus, that was a horrible article. Seems the writer only knew two references / literary figures: Mary Sue and vomit inducing. He kept repeating it over and over. We get it, you hate the EU, shut up now.
 
2014-01-11 01:49:11 AM  
This is good news even if it isn't about the Cygnus returning from hell under command of Maximillian to claim the Empire
 
2014-01-11 01:55:57 AM  

Decados: Good.  Thrawn alone makes me hate the EU, let alone his little force eating tree weasels.  The sooner they jettison that Zahn garbage, the better.


Force eating tree weasels?

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2014-01-11 01:57:39 AM  

Decados: Good.  Thrawn alone makes me hate the EU, let alone his little force eating tree weasels.  The sooner they jettison that Zahn garbage, the better.


8/10 need to talk up some of the gems you would want to keep like "Vaders hand" and the Ewok Cartoon
 
2014-01-11 02:00:15 AM  
Good. The EU stuff, with rare exception, is garbage.

/Boba Fett died in the giant sand vagina. Get over it.
 
2014-01-11 02:01:06 AM  
Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.
 
2014-01-11 02:03:03 AM  

Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.


It'll, uh, still be there. Just officially non-canon, instead of "Non-canon but we'll tell you it's sorta-kinda canon if you squint to keep you nerds happy".
 
2014-01-11 02:10:57 AM  
Flush twice as it circles the drain.

It was a good thing.  A great thing, even.  Certainly the first major cultural phenomenon I remember.

But it had its time.  It's time is gone.  Work on something new.  Reanimating the old never seems to pan out.
 
2014-01-11 02:18:03 AM  
Meh. Corran Horn will always be top dawg in my universe.

/would have loved to see that character in a movie
 
2014-01-11 02:20:19 AM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
/Seriously, good riddance to bad rubbish.
//Can we get the prequels declared non-canon as well?
 
2014-01-11 02:20:49 AM  
Star Wars sucks anyway.  No surprise the exanded universey sucks MORE.

This isn't a troll.  Star Trek is way better and I am completely serious.  I tried Empire again a year or two ago.  Fond memories, but it's like watching He-Man and the Masters of the Universe as an adult.  It's just really stupid and bad.

Cool weapons and junk though.

As a teenager I did enjoy reading Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina.  But I was 15 and what the hell does a 15 year old know?  Marijuana, Star Wars books and DOS gaming.  That's it!
 
2014-01-11 02:22:45 AM  

LordJiro: Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.

It'll, uh, still be there. Just officially non-canon, instead of "Non-canon but we'll tell you it's sorta-kinda canon if you squint to keep you nerds happy".


I don't even know why he's mad.

Instead of whining that Disney will crap the entire EU, look at it this way: They WILL take some EU stuff and make it official canon, i.e.: George Lucas level canon. i.e.: The only canon that matters.

Don't think they're degrading the EU to non-canon, think they're upgrading certain EU things to full canon. Which is in your best interest if you're a fan of the EU because the EU was never considered full canon before.

Half-full glass, dude.
 
2014-01-11 02:24:14 AM  
I love the Zahn books, and most of the X-Wing novels, plus 'I, Jedi'.  Some of the other authors were either forgettable, or over the top. (the Sun Crusher trilogy)  The Yuuzhan Vong stuff was rather dark and depressing, and I didn't finish those, or read any novels set after that.

If they ignore all of that completely in the new movies, I'll likely be too put off to watch them even once.
 
2014-01-11 02:24:23 AM  
They should do an episode where Star Wars characters sign up for the Obama Healthcare program.
 
2014-01-11 02:24:33 AM  

LordJiro: Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.

It'll, uh, still be there. Just officially non-canon, instead of "Non-canon but we'll tell you it's sorta-kinda canon if you squint to keep you nerds happy".


I'll still enjoy the old EU. I'm not washing my hands of it. I'm washing my hands of the new shiat. I put in my time with the old universe. I'm not going to keep up with a second universe just because they're too lazy/don't care enough to work with the continuity that every other piece of media in the past has had no goddamn problem adhering to.

I don't expect you to understand. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I get that a lot of people don't care about these kinds of things that much and don't blame them for it. But to me the Star Wars Universe in its entirety has been a big part of my life. I've bought every game. Every novel. Every comic. I'm not even a huge nerd. Star Wars was just my ONE thing I let myself get spergy about.

Disney is basically taking a giant steaming shiat on that just because asking their writers to pass their script outline by Leland Chee to check for continuity errors might violate their "vision" for the franchises future or whatever the fark.
 
2014-01-11 02:26:31 AM  
Even the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy was fairly weak. It's entertaining, but the second books sucks pretty hard, and the ending was stupid. Still, it had the "feel" of "Star Wars". I read a couple of other EU books (including a couple by Zahn), and they were awful and didn't seem to be playing in the same world as the movies.

Plus (and I keep harping on this), the EU focused WAY too much on the Jedi. Jedi are boring. The first trilogy worked best when it it didn't focus on the stupid Jedi crap. The prequels sucked because they focused on NOTHING BUT the Jedi crap. "Star Wars" worked/works because of Han Solo. Hopefully Disney realizes this.
 
2014-01-11 02:30:49 AM  

realmolo: Even the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy was fairly weak. It's entertaining, but the second books sucks pretty hard, and the ending was stupid. Still, it had the "feel" of "Star Wars". I read a couple of other EU books (including a couple by Zahn), and they were awful and didn't seem to be playing in the same world as the movies.

Plus (and I keep harping on this), the EU focused WAY too much on the Jedi. Jedi are boring. The first trilogy worked best when it it didn't focus on the stupid Jedi crap. The prequels sucked because they focused on NOTHING BUT the Jedi crap. "Star Wars" worked/works because of Han Solo. Hopefully Disney realizes this.


Considering they threw enough money at Harry Ford that he forgot about his integrity and is playing the part again, I'm sure they realize that.
 
2014-01-11 02:31:51 AM  
Nothing good came from star wars since Dark Forces.

/flame on
 
2014-01-11 02:33:26 AM  

realmolo: Even the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy was fairly weak. It's entertaining, but the second books sucks pretty hard, and the ending was stupid. Still, it had the "feel" of "Star Wars". I read a couple of other EU books (including a couple by Zahn), and they were awful and didn't seem to be playing in the same world as the movies.


So, basically, I am the person on the planet who enjoyed the books?
 
2014-01-11 02:35:58 AM  

Esroc: LordJiro: Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.

It'll, uh, still be there. Just officially non-canon, instead of "Non-canon but we'll tell you it's sorta-kinda canon if you squint to keep you nerds happy".

I'll still enjoy the old EU. I'm not washing my hands of it. I'm washing my hands of the new shiat. I put in my time with the old universe. I'm not going to keep up with a second universe just because they're too lazy/don't care enough to work with the continuity that every other piece of media in the past has had no goddamn problem adhering to.

I don't expect you to understand. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I get that a lot of people don't care about these kinds of things that much and don't blame them for it. But to me the Star Wars Universe in its entirety has been a big part of my life. I've bought every game. Every novel. Every comic. I'm not even a huge nerd. Star Wars was just my ONE thing I let myself get spergy about.

Disney is basically taking a giant steaming shiat on that just because asking their writers to pass their script outline by Leland Chee to check for continuity errors might violate their "vision" for the franchises future or whatever the fark.


No, they're doing it because large chunks of the EU sucks ass and isn't much more than glorified fan fiction. At least with Disney in charge there may at least be some attempt at quality control as to what gets published officially. It may not always be the best quality control, I mean look at some of Disney's direct to video stuff, but at least an attempt will be made.
 
2014-01-11 02:50:11 AM  
I certainly enjoyed the EU growing up, hell my username is a reference to it, but Star Wars is a big franchise when you count the EU. When something gets that big, your choices are pretty much to just end it, or hit that reset button.

I think it's time to see what a new crop of writers can do with the thing. And since these projects tend to attract fanboys to work on them in the first place, there's a good chance we'll see some old favorites crop up again in a new form.

It's not like they're pulling a Trek where they're undoing TV shows/movies. And besides, the whole thing became a giant mess after all the retconning they had to pull to kinda-sorta make it fit with the prequels.
 
2014-01-11 02:54:44 AM  
Okay, the more I think about it the more I think it might not be so bad depending on what they keep canon. I'll calm down at least until we get a list of what stays and what goes.

If they at least keep the broad strokes (Old Republic, Major Sith Lords and Jedi Masters, Thrawn, The Solo Kids, Yuuzhan Vong War,) I guess I can probably let the rest slide. Maybe.
 
2014-01-11 02:58:31 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.


Mara Jade as a Disney princess.  You know it be true.

I have no problem axing huge swaths of the EU. They can be demoted to "what if" stories if they directly counter canon.  I'm curious to know what they are axing though.  I'm partial to KOTOR era, SWTOR era, and the Bane series, so I hope they are officially raised to canon.  One thing we can all agree on: axe the prequels from canon.  That will make lots of nerds happy.
 
2014-01-11 02:58:37 AM  
I bought the 3 Zahn books for 25 cents a pop at some bookstore ages ago.  I actually made it through them, I think.  I just remember them being really boring.  For the life of me I never understood the appeal of the Mara Jade character, past her 90's chop-socky Daikatana-esque name that old dorks seem to jizz over.

I read synopsis of what came next, which is as far as I ever got with one.  That the movies guys are shoveling all that crap into the pit it belongs in and doing whatever they want is a very very good thing.
 
2014-01-11 03:04:54 AM  

burning_bridge: I bought the 3 Zahn books for 25 cents a pop at some bookstore ages ago.  I actually made it through them, I think.  I just remember them being really boring.  For the life of me I never understood the appeal of the Mara Jade character, past her 90's chop-socky Daikatana-esque name that old dorks seem to jizz over.


Let's see.. a skilled smuggler who turns out to have been a force-sensitive field agent of the Emperor; she hates Skywalker passionately for ruining her life.  When she finally meets him face to face, he isn't like she imagined, and eventually figures out that some of that hatred was coming from the late Emperor from beyond the grave.  They part ways now and then, and eventually get married about a decade or so later.
 
2014-01-11 03:06:11 AM  
That said, I just decided to RTFA, and wow. Ars Technica's "Senior Reviews Editor" is a really poor writer. Either that, or his emotions reeaalllly got the better of him here. I'd almost be willing to bet this guy has a half-finished fanfic or rejected manuscript in his possession.
 
2014-01-11 03:07:55 AM  
What's the EU?  Fan Fiction?
 
2014-01-11 03:08:02 AM  
Apparently, in the extended universe, the way to tell if someone's an evil clone is to see if they have a double vowel in their name.

This is what people are going to miss?
 
2014-01-11 03:09:26 AM  
Chewy is back...
 
2014-01-11 03:10:44 AM  
Everything set after the movies (maybe except for Thrawn) sucks. Most of the stuff set before the movies is ok. I'd guess the new movies will be set post-RTotJ, because that's what most people will expect.
 
2014-01-11 03:12:20 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Apparently, in the extended universe, the way to tell if someone's an evil clone is to see if they have a double vowel in their name.

This is what people are going to miss?


The double vowel was a literary device to help the reader differentiate between the prime character and their clone. You're not actually supposed to pronounce it.
 
2014-01-11 03:13:45 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: [static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 290x406]

As long as they keep Jaxxon, I'll be happy.


Here I thought that was Bucky O'Hare.
 
2014-01-11 03:15:24 AM  

Esroc: FirstNationalBastard: Apparently, in the extended universe, the way to tell if someone's an evil clone is to see if they have a double vowel in their name.

This is what people are going to miss?

The double vowel was a literary device to help the reader differentiate between the prime character and their clone. You're not actually supposed to pronounce it.


I drew goatees on all the double vowels, so I could remember they were clones.
 
2014-01-11 03:15:39 AM  

rogue49: Chewy is back...


This is pretty much the cherry on top of the good news that this article reveals.

Most of the EU stuff is crap and deserves to be flushed.  I can only hope that they distill the Thrawn content and give it a better ending.  Thrawn was far too interesting of a character to die so quickly.

If I had my way, he'd be 'the' focusing agent of the Imperial forces in the next 3 movies.

Everything else, they can trash as far as I'm concerned.
 
2014-01-11 03:17:45 AM  

rocky_howard: Jesus, that was a horrible article. Seems the writer only knew two references / literary figures: Mary Sue and vomit inducing. He kept repeating it over and over. We get it, you hate the EU, shut up now.


It's not the author's fault that the the EU was almost entirely composed of vomit-inducing overuse of hackneyed plot devices and introducing Mary Sues as a way of getting things moving,.

(But it is the author's fault that s/he seems to desperately need a thesaurus)
 
2014-01-11 03:21:58 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Nadie_AZ: Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.

Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.

Yep. I was a die hard Star Wars fan until the prequels came out. Now I don't give a shiat. I'll probably go see the new ones because they should be fun space action movies, but I no longer care about the mythology or the story. Star Wars is kinda lame now.


That's good. You've taken your first step into a larger world.
/ now go talk to a girl :)
 
2014-01-11 03:24:39 AM  

Infernalist: rogue49: Chewy is back...

This is pretty much the cherry on top of the good news that this article reveals.

Most of the EU stuff is crap and deserves to be flushed.  I can only hope that they distill the Thrawn content and give it a better ending.  Thrawn was far too interesting of a character to die so quickly.

If I had my way, he'd be 'the' focusing agent of the Imperial forces in the next 3 movies.

Everything else, they can trash as far as I'm concerned.


I really don't want them to throw out the Vong War. That arc really needed to be distilled down into four or five novels tops, but taken as a whole I greatly enjoyed it. The Yuuzhan Vong were interesting characters with fascinating culture and technology and development of the Solo kids over the series was fantastic.

They can keep Legacy and Fate though. I'm still pissed off that they farked up Jacen Solo so badly. He could've been the most badass Sith Lord since Darth Vader but terrible writing dropped that ball hard.
 
2014-01-11 03:49:17 AM  

Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.


Think of it this way. When the next movie comes out, your head won't explode due to the force of retcons of retcons of... I dunno how many retcon situations you'd be looking at, but if the EU is really that sprawling, there have to be contradictions up the wazoo. I am familiar with decades-old comic book multiverses. I know how this works.

/It's not like they're rebooting the whole Star Wars universe
//They are not DC Comics
///Yeah, I went there
 
2014-01-11 03:52:58 AM  

Canton: Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.

Think of it this way. When the next movie comes out, your head won't explode due to the force of retcons of retcons of... I dunno how many retcon situations you'd be looking at, but if the EU is really that sprawling, there have to be contradictions up the wazoo. I am familiar with decades-old comic book multiverses. I know how this works.

/It's not like they're rebooting the whole Star Wars universe
//They are not DC Comics
///Yeah, I went there


True true. I gave up on DC Comics around the Infinite Crisis hooplah in the early 2000's and never looked back. Just got too convoluted, even for someone like me who pays attention to Star Wars canon meticulously.

I'm warming up to the idea of streamlining the EU now though. I just hope they don't throw out too much.
 
2014-01-11 04:09:23 AM  
Most of the EU sucks, especially in recent years. But then, the prequels sucked equally hard, and Return of the Jedi wasn't any great shakes, either, so that's hardly unique to them. I'd much rather have Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy than Attack of the Clones, for instance.

This isn't really a surprising development, to be sure, but it's disappointing. More so than the individual stories themselves, the Star Wars Expanded Universe's system of tiered canonicity was brilliant: it allowed hardcore fans to wallow in the sort of obsessive minutiae in which hardcore fans like wallowing, while preventing the franchise from becoming bogged down for general audiences. Everyone knew, and pretty much accepted (if grudgingly) that whatever Lucas put in the movies took precedence over what anyone else said in the books or comics. At the same time, those lower priority stories still counted at least at some level, and allowed the Star Wars franchise to grow and evolve somewhat organically. It's a large part of the reason why, despite what one might think of the flagship material, licensed Star Wars fiction has always been more interesting and worthwhile than, say, licensed Star Trek fiction. As long as you're going to stick with canonicity at all (as opposed to something like the BBC's unofficial policy of "don't talk to us about canon" with regards to Doctor Who), it's hard to think of a better model than Star Wars.

The stories themselves? Eh, who really cares? A lot of them weren't great, and even the ones that were will still be out there to enjoy. But the EU system itself? That's a real loss, and the op-ed here reads like bad PR copy. The fact of the matter is, Disney is still going to license the hell out of Star Wars, and most of the stuff emerging from those licenses are going to be of roughly the same quality level we're familiar with. Taking an axe to the EU, as a system, has nothing to do with getting rid of the crap. It's a bit like tossing out your refrigerator because you never clean it out and the food keeps growing mold.
 
2014-01-11 04:12:17 AM  

Canton: Think of it this way. When the next movie comes out, your head won't explode due to the force of retcons of retcons of... I dunno how many retcon situations you'd be looking at, but if the EU is really that sprawling, there have to be contradictions up the wazoo. I am familiar with decades-old comic book multiverses. I know how this works.


I kind of liked the Doctor Who method of just not giving a shiat about trying to make sense of 50 years work of continuity by dozens of creative teams, but lately the show has played things a little too fast and loose to the point where is it just feels like things are being pulled of out their asses and lazily rectconned instead of even trying to make it fit. Plus, with time travel and history constantly being rewritten, that show has a certain liberty with making continuity multiple choice that Star Wars doesn't. At the same time, I feel like there are some hardcore sci-fi fans who take the continuity a little TOO seriously and aren't willing to let things slide for decade old franchises, to the point where Star Trek had to include a plot point about parallel timelines in order to give themselves room to do something different in the new movies (only to rehash The Wrath of Khan in the second movie).
 
2014-01-11 04:21:37 AM  

Esroc: True true. I gave up on DC Comics around the Infinite Crisis hooplah in the early 2000's and never looked back. Just got too convoluted, even for someone like me who pays attention to Star Wars canon meticulously.


You made a wise choice. I picked up Final Crisis recently in a Comixology sale, and this was how I felt at the end of the whole thing when Superman sings Darkseid away and then summons an army of Supermen fought a vampire Monitor at the end of the universe, with the whole vampire thing somehow tied into a weirdly literal interpretation of the Bleed from the Wildstorm comics.

static3.wikia.nocookie.net

Then they retconned it all away soon after with the New 52, making that whole Crisis kind of pointless.
 
2014-01-11 04:24:36 AM  
After years of hearing people talk about how good the Thrawn books were (being a big fan of the KOTOR games, mostly - I also kind of like the prequels for what they are) I found them to be incredibly underwhelming. Just kinda. Meh. Nothing to write home about.
 
2014-01-11 04:31:26 AM  
Hey now, the Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron stuff was pretty good.
 
2014-01-11 04:36:26 AM  

voran: Hey now, the Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron stuff was pretty good.


'Yub yub, Commander.'
 
2014-01-11 04:46:18 AM  
it'd be a shame if they dump the heir to the empire books, as they are among the very few parts of non-movie stuff that doesn't suck

then again i detest the prequels, don't really care for jedi, and am ambivalent about a new hope

/empire was decent
 
2014-01-11 04:50:34 AM  
I have a feeling that Jacen and Jaina are probably toast, just because their names are so unspeakably awful. They just remind me of those terrible late-90s baby names like Jaden, with a bit of the weird stripper spelling mixed in ("No, not "Jason" with an 'so', with a 'ce'.") With the children of the leads of the OT most likely major characters in the new trilogy, I'm betting the first order of business is fixing the goofy names from the EU with something that works better on film. That, combined with the pointlessness of making Mara around Mark Hammill's age probably means that the entire family history will be rewritten.
 
2014-01-11 05:01:02 AM  
So basically, keep Thrawn, keep the Yuuzhan Vong and dump the rest?  Makes my reading list shorter (although I wouldn't mind checking out Outbound Flight).  Just finishing up the whole Vong thing now.  Ridiculously padded, but still a good read.  And dark.  Good lord, it's dark.  I'd love to see it made into movies, but there is absolutely no way the newly Disneyfied Star Wars will make a movie about a genocidal war.  I could just imagine the merchandising potential.  "Hey kids, buy a Happy Meal and get a Yammosk!"
 
2014-01-11 05:07:53 AM  
They can gut pretty much everything, but I want three things to still be more or less untouched after the cut.

Heir to the Empire (or at least Thrawn)

Shadows of the Empire (George considers it canon and it was developed to be a canon story sans movie, so it's probably safe)

The X-Wing series.  Specifically, all of Rogue Squadron, all of Wraith Squadron, The Courtship of Princess Leia, and maybe I, Jedi.  Not great writing, but oozes great Star Wars on every page.

Hell, I honestly think they could safely scrap any plans to re-feature the original cast and instead just make Rogue Squadron a film trilogy.  People would love it.  Retake the galactic capital against a despotic maniac in a daring secret raid?  With barely any Jedi in sight (a certain character's Force sensitivity can either be ignored or explored lightly to great effect)?  Good stories make good movies.
 
2014-01-11 05:15:04 AM  

thecactusman17: They can gut pretty much everything, but I want three things to still be more or less untouched after the cut.

Heir to the Empire (or at least Thrawn)

Shadows of the Empire (George considers it canon and it was developed to be a canon story sans movie, so it's probably safe)

The X-Wing series.  Specifically, all of Rogue Squadron, all of Wraith Squadron, The Courtship of Princess Leia, and maybe I, Jedi.  Not great writing, but oozes great Star Wars on every page.

Hell, I honestly think they could safely scrap any plans to re-feature the original cast and instead just make Rogue Squadron a film trilogy.  People would love it.  Retake the galactic capital against a despotic maniac in a daring secret raid?  With barely any Jedi in sight (a certain character's Force sensitivity can either be ignored or explored lightly to great effect)?  Good stories make good movies.


Agreed.. though the first couple of X-Wing books were rather cheesy.  The first chapter of the first book was based upon one of the missions in the X-Wing computer game, which was rather cool, but never repeated.

Prince Xizor was a pretty good villain, if rather wasted on a single book.  Dash Rengar, please, no.
 
2014-01-11 05:15:59 AM  

voran: Hey now, the Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron stuff was pretty good.


If they keep that - along with the comic arcs too - then I won't complain about much else. I'll miss Thrawn, the adventures of Young Han Solo and not-so-young Han Solo, Dark Forces, The Courtship of Princess Leia, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and Lando's adventures, but I won't complain.

Hey Disney, while you're listening, would it kill you to get us a remake of X-Wing Alliance?
 
2014-01-11 05:18:44 AM  
Xizor rape-scent stuff was kinda creepy tho.
 
2014-01-11 05:23:45 AM  
I wonder who they could get for Xizor's Human Replica Droid.. looks like a gorgeous blonde human women, but with strength and speed to make her Xizor's personal Terminator.

Eh, they probably won't ever film that.
 
Esn
2014-01-11 05:44:08 AM  
Um, you know what? I don't care what Disney decides is "canon" and what isn't.

Just because they paid an enormous amount of money for the Star Wars IP, that doesn't give them the right to decide which stories I should pay attention to.

Yeah, it gives them the LEGAL right, but I can still think what I want. And what I think is that Lucas's prequel movies sucked and that nothing related to them is canon - the original Expanded Universe is generally a lot more appealing (despite it having some bad writers as well - that was bound to happen).

It's just a shame that Disney will now use their censorship powers to prevent any new stories being written in that universe. (other than fan fiction, I assume)
 
2014-01-11 05:48:31 AM  

Alphax: burning_bridge: I bought the 3 Zahn books for 25 cents a pop at some bookstore ages ago.  I actually made it through them, I think.  I just remember them being really boring.  For the life of me I never understood the appeal of the Mara Jade character, past her 90's chop-socky Daikatana-esque name that old dorks seem to jizz over.

Let's see.. a skilled smuggler who turns out to have been a force-sensitive field agent of the Emperor; she hates Skywalker passionately for ruining her life.  When she finally meets him face to face, he isn't like she imagined, and eventually figures out that some of that hatred was coming from the late Emperor from beyond the grave.  They part ways now and then, and eventually get married about a decade or so later.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-11 05:51:07 AM  

optikeye: Mike_LowELL: You're just mad Jar-Jar Binks is an incredible character that is beloved by all.

I'm still regreating not buying a case of these when I saw them at  K-mart ages ago.

[i1217.photobucket.com image 300x300]

It's a candy tongue...yes...it is.  suck it.


I remember this goth girl I was dating around that time found a gigantic Jar Jar Binks doll on clearance at Toys R Us, and bought it for less than five bucks, marked down from something ilke $50.  She crucified it and hung it over her toilet.

Using the bathroom at her place turned into a debate of "Do I want to look at thing, or turn my back on it?"
 
2014-01-11 05:57:09 AM  
This article just makes me want an 'epic stance' "Walt Disney takes an axe to the European Union" picture.


Taking a chopsaw to the cannon still doesn't answer the question "Will Disney EVER be able to make a sci-fi movie that isn't a joke in the bargain bin?"
 
2014-01-11 06:03:53 AM  

Esn: Just because they paid an enormous amount of money for the Star Wars IP, that doesn't give them the right to decide which stories I should pay attention to.


What about George Lucas? He explicitly stated that none of the EU is canon multiple times.
 
2014-01-11 06:29:15 AM  
Man, I just hope they keep Kyle Katarn around.  The galaxy needs a blue-collar curmudgeon Jedi.
 
2014-01-11 06:30:01 AM  

Esroc: I'll still enjoy the old EU. I'm not washing my hands of it. I'm washing my hands of the new shiat. I put in my time with the old universe. I'm not going to keep up with a second universe just because they're too lazy/don't care enough to work with the continuity that every other piece of media in the past has had no goddamn problem adhering to.


i'm not sure what you mean by this.  all the video games, books, comics, etc, didn't adhere to the continuity, they created it.  it's not like some video game by lucasarts had to match the continuity of some fan fiction crap in the expanded universe, they created their own storylines and it became part of the eu because it was an official star wars product.  the only official canon they had to actually stick with was the stuff from the original trilogy, which these movies will also do, i assume.  there is no need for them to try to carry around the plot baggage of 30 years of new additions to the universe.

its like complaining that marvel comics or dc comics titles don't adhere to their own internal continuity.  they can't tell intelligent, meaningful stories when they are so bogged down by years of backstory and contradictory canon.  there's a reason why franchises like the x-men have all those different universes.  would you expect the 1990s x-men cartoon to adhere faithfully to the continuity of the original uncanny x-men comic?  of course not.  the only way to develop new stories and introduce new fans to the franchise is by simplifying the story and disregarding "canon" that gets in the way.

disney is basically trying to re-introduce live action star wars movies to a new generation.  i hate to tell you this, but most star wars fans haven't read the comics, or all the novels, or played most of the games.  they've seen the movies and the clone wars cartoon and that's about it.  so for disney to try to make the new movies fit in with the eu will only confuse all those people who love star wars but have no idea who mara jade is or cade skywalker is.

you should be happy that they are making new movies, not complaining that the movies won't fit perfectly into the expanded universe like some kind of puzzle piece.  if the movies are good then it shouldn't matter if they keep the eu or not.
 
Esn
2014-01-11 06:38:13 AM  

Leishu: Esn: Just because they paid an enormous amount of money for the Star Wars IP, that doesn't give them the right to decide which stories I should pay attention to.

What about George Lucas? He explicitly stated that none of the EU is canon multiple times.


So? It's not his baby anymore, it belongs to a whole bunch of people. His attempt to take back control by making more movies (that contradicted some of the already-written backstory) only showed why that's a good thing; the fans (including many of the EU writers) were more in tune with the original vision of Star Wars than George Lucas was. Let's face it, we all become different people with time, and Lucas was not the same person he was when he made the original trilogy - he no longer understood it very well.

It's a travesty that the current copyright law doesn't turn works over into the public domain at the proper time for maximum cultural benefit (the original length of 15 years with optional extension was about right). The 1990s expanded universe should have been allowed to continue and branch off into parallel timelines, and the fandom would have decided what was good and what was not - there should have been no attempt to try and rein everything back in again. Lucas could've made his movies and they would've been one competing vision against many.
 
2014-01-11 06:42:27 AM  
Fail tag for Subby, this isn't "spiffy', this sucks (assuming the author of TFA isn't pulling this out of his ass).

Also, for the author of TFA: Your Blog Sucks.

The EU is the main reason I'm anything more than a casual fan of Star Wars.

Yeah, I saw the movies as a kid, I liked them, watched them a lot.

However, that said, I didn't become more interested in Star Wars until the early 1990's with the rise of the EU.  Reading the Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, and other EU works that started to fill in the blanks.

In fact, the real zinger was that in Star Wars, as opposed to Star Trek, all the various comics, novels, games and such were all part of one continuity.  A plotline started in a comic book would be referenced in a later novel.  A character introduced in one author's novels would be picked up and expanded in later novels by other authors.  It was forming a single coherent world.

That world went in all kinds of directions both before and after the movies.  We ended up with more than just the breathless re-hashing of

Certainly it was more comprehensive and coherent than other science fiction properties.  There was a time when I ravenously read every Star Trek novel coming out, but eventually the fact that each novel was basically nothing more than a fanfic that would never, ever impact the actual show or cross over with any other authors works meant that it was kinda boring knowing everything had to be status quo at the end and any characters introduced would never be seen again.  At least with Star Wars they had the courage to actually kill off movie characters in the EU and to have elements introduced in the EU appear in the movies.

Frankly, if Disney throws out the EU, I'm throwing out Disney.  The collected continuity and lore of the Star Wars EU, stretching from ~35000 BBY to 140 ABY is worth a lot more to me than anything the Army of the Mouse invents.

I haven't spent ~20 years as a devoted fan of the Star Wars universe, reading novels, reading comics, playing games, learning the history and lore of a whole other galaxy, and all my other fandom to just dump it all one day because Disney walks in and says that they are starting fresh so buy all our new replacement crap.
 
2014-01-11 06:53:20 AM  
I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?
 
2014-01-11 07:09:35 AM  

CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?


Okay, here's a little primer on Star Wars canon.

There are five (used to be four) tiers of canon.  The reason for the tiers is to resolve conflicts.  If one source says one thing, and another says another, the higher tier is correct.  This is largely to resolve conflicts between sources, especially with some older sources from the late 70s and 1980's before control of continuity was stricter.

"G Canon", for "George", is the top tier.  It consists of the six movies, and the radio plays based off them.  That's the top tier, incontrovertable canon.

"T Canon" for "Television" was created specifically for the Star Wars: The Clone Wars TV series.  It's above other EU materials, but below the movies themselves.

"C Canon" for "Continuity" is the vast bulk of Star Wars EU.  Almost much every novel, comic, and such produced is here.  The overall plot of pretty much every video game falls here too.   Not the gameplay mechanics though (i.e. Kyle Katarn can't really be shot 50 times and heal completely from it in about 5 seconds using The Force, but he did become a Jedi Knight  and defeat Jerec and eventually teach at the Jedi Academy ect.).  Per your inquiry, the Han Solo novels are here.

"S Canon" is "Secondary", those are older works produced before canon was tightly watched (some really old newspaper serial comics from the late '70's and early '80's), I think Splinter of the Mind's Eye was there too.  The things at this level are fit in to the big picture as best they can, they won't officially say "that didn't happen", because the basic plotline still happened, but if there was a "real" Star Wars universe these might be somewhat distorted or inaccurate reflections of what happened.  This level is subject to getting heavily retconned in later works to salvage as much of the plot as possible into the bigger picture.

"N Canon" is "non-canon", these are the only things that officially Never Happened.  These are almost all things that were produced from the start as being non-canon.  The "Infinities" comic books were a good example, as "what if" stories branching off from the movies (i.e. what if Luke died on Hoth and Yoda trained Leia instead).  This is also where gameplay mechanic parts of video games are, like instantly healing upon touching a medpac and such.
 
2014-01-11 07:20:07 AM  
The Stars Wars Holiday Special is sacred, everything else is meh.
 
2014-01-11 07:42:47 AM  

Silverstaff: CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?

Okay, here's a little primer on Star Wars canon.


[..informative novel..]

Wow.  I *really* hope that wasn't a copy-pasta and you typed that all out..  :D

That honestly does explain a lot to me and I thank you for such..

No insight on the SotME movie, tho'..?  Meh..if it was that low-tiered it was prolly an author's pipe-dream personally axed by Lucas..


Danke..!!
 
2014-01-11 07:45:46 AM  
I am pretty happy with the moves Disney is making so far. They're doing their best to reset time to 1984, when we were just dreaming about a Star Wars VII. The only reason all this "extended universe" stuff exists is because we never got it, so people filled the niche as best they could.

But now Disney is giving us Star Wars VII. So all that crap isn't needed anymore. That's pretty cool to me.
 
2014-01-11 07:53:29 AM  
I've played a lot of Star Wars video games and read a number of the EU books, and I don't see a reason for insisting any of it is canon. Ultimately Star Wars is science fiction fantasy with a hefty dose of prophecies to drive the plot. And none of the EU that I saw had much in the way of prophecies or actual universe development, mostly just heroes, armies, and very occaisionally, romance. Essentially, melodrama, not drama.

I will, however, be displeased if they replace the existing EU with worse stuff, and some of the EU actually sets a high bar.
 
2014-01-11 08:12:07 AM  
I suspect they want cameos of the original characters in the new films, and being that they're all old now it makes it difficult to try and incorporate history most are unaware of into the new movies.

I'm also thankful I won't have to worry about spoilers or nerdy fans letting me know that they are privy to future events when they pipe up with a "Wait till you see happens next."
 
2014-01-11 08:13:09 AM  

CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?


It is my understanding (said understanding being about 30something years old) was that SOTME was a 'plan B' if the first movie didn't do well it gave them a basis to keep it going. Myself,  I always thought that it should have been part of the second movie.

The original novelization and SOTME were both written by Alan Dean Foster and both were reviewed and approved by Lucas.  Everything in those books is canon, no matter what Darth Mouse says.
 
2014-01-11 08:15:12 AM  
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NERDS!
 
2014-01-11 08:26:24 AM  
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of authors suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something wondrous has happened."

My faith in Disney has been maintained.
 
2014-01-11 08:30:47 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.


This, right here.  Mara Jade, Thrawn, and a good bit of the Rogue Squadron material is just too easy to successfully merchandise for them to throw it away.

I'm not enough of a neckbearded grognard to get upset if huge chunks of the canon get erased, as long as most of the toys themselves stay.  I want as many of the ships and vehicles to stick around.  The EU Imperial Navy ships are far more interesting than just having ISDs all over the place.

/I also want Disney to get Fantasy Flight or someone to make another attempt at a fleet-level miniatures game.  WotC's attempt wasn't terrible, and FFG's X-Wing is just too small in scale (and the minis are way too expensive).
 
2014-01-11 08:39:16 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED: I'm certainly a SW fan with all my own opinions, that don't matter for the purpose of this post..didn't get all that far into the EU, really..however..

I *DO* very much remember enjoying "Han Solo at Star's End" and loving the heck out of "Splinter of the Mind's Eye"..  (my paperback copy was embossed with a "Soon to be a Major Motion Picture" medallion..whatever happened to that project..??)

Where do those two fit, with regards to canon..?

It is my understanding (said understanding being about 30something years old) was that SOTME was a 'plan B' if the first movie didn't do well it gave them a basis to keep it going. Myself,  I always thought that it should have been part of the second movie.

The original novelization and SOTME were both written by Alan Dean Foster and both were reviewed and approved by Lucas.  Everything in those books is canon, no matter what Darth Mouse says.



Well, now..I fergot that SotME was an ADF vehicle and that explanation makes a lot of sense, too..  So it's likely far higher in the 'old' tiered system, then..?

Damn, wish they'd had to go with Plan B..heh..  :)
 
2014-01-11 08:45:50 AM  

sadbad: After years of hearing people talk about how good the Thrawn books were (being a big fan of the KOTOR games, mostly - I also kind of like the prequels for what they are) I found them to be incredibly underwhelming. Just kinda. Meh. Nothing to write home about.


To my, they read like rejected SF manuscripts that had a hasty "replace all" done on them, turning all the non-SW stuff into SW stuff.
 
2014-01-11 08:48:43 AM  
CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson
 
2014-01-11 08:56:35 AM  

Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson


Those two statements seem somewhat contradictory to me, and while I disagree with your tastes, vehemently, I respect that they are yours to decide alone. :)
 
2014-01-11 09:00:43 AM  

Jim_Callahan: QT_3.14159: Don't judge. Fan fiction was the only way to redeem the storyline for kotor 2.

KotOR 2's story wasn't  bad, it was just really middle-of-the-road, boilerplate science fiction stuff.  Which was disappointing by contrast to the first game, sure, but the first game was pretty much the best RPG for five years in either direction (with the possible exception of Deus Ex.  And I guess shadow of the colossus if you'd call that an RPG).


Meep!  No, I found the KOTOR 2 storyline to be much more compelling than the first, really.  It was just unfinished and needed some resolution. Hence, the fan fiction.

KOTOR's biggest problem was that if you played the game as a female Bastila was such a horrific biatch to you that it made the game much less enjoyable, or at least not as replayable.  I get that she was nice to the male player character and the boys love her, but ugh.  She was so awful that she regularly got paired up with Canderous in (female written) fan fiction so she could get some rough lovin' and hopefully not be quite so much of a biatch...  As much as I love Carth, he really couldn't quite make up for the horribleness of having to deal with Bastila.
 
2014-01-11 09:01:58 AM  

Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson


For now, he can always be killed off later.
 
2014-01-11 09:05:56 AM  
Ohhh boy, they're going Trekkify this biatch, Abrams style. Seriuosly, fark these huys.
 
2014-01-11 09:07:33 AM  

texdent: Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson

For now, he can always be killed off later.


I just hope he dies in a less silly way next time.
 
2014-01-11 09:08:23 AM  

Bslim: Ohhh boy, they're going Trekkify this biatch, Abrams style. Seriuosly, fark these huys.


Honestly, the Abrams Trek pacing seemed like it would absolutely be perfect for a Star Wars film to me, but maybe that's just me.
 
2014-01-11 09:08:41 AM  

Leishu: Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson

Those two statements seem somewhat contradictory to me, and while I disagree with your tastes, vehemently, I respect that they are yours to decide alone. :)


Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe, better than Herbert's son.  And Vector Prime was written by R.A. Salvatore.  Good fantasy writer, but he shouldn't have taken a project in the Star Wars universe.

/Vector Prime was one of the main reasons I had no interest in the New Jedi Order series.
 
2014-01-11 09:09:22 AM  

Leishu: texdent: Spaced Lion: CHEWBACCA LIVES!


/Also, screw the haters; I like Kevin J. Anderson

For now, he can always be killed off later.

I just hope he dies in a less silly way next time.


What, you didn't like him roaring defiantly as a moon was about to crush him?
 
2014-01-11 09:11:49 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: RoyFokker'sGhost: I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.

Mara Jade as a Disney princess.  You know it be true.


Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen... *evil cackle*

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-11 09:16:45 AM  
There are two things that MUST be preserved as canon.

HK-47

static3.wikia.nocookie.net

And Skippy, the Jedi droid.

static3.wikia.nocookie.net

Can droids manifest as Force ghosts?  Because that would be awesome.
 
2014-01-11 09:21:18 AM  

UNC_Samurai: RoyFokker'sGhost: I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.

This, right here.  Mara Jade, Thrawn, and a good bit of the Rogue Squadron material is just too easy to successfully merchandise for them to throw it away.

I'm not enough of a neckbearded grognard to get upset if huge chunks of the canon get erased, as long as most of the toys themselves stay.  I want as many of the ships and vehicles to stick around.  The EU Imperial Navy ships are far more interesting than just having ISDs all over the place.

/I also want Disney to get Fantasy Flight or someone to make another attempt at a fleet-level miniatures game.  WotC's attempt wasn't terrible, and FFG's X-Wing is just too small in scale (and the minis are way too expensive).


Goddamn it Disney, release a modern version of X-Wing vs Tie Fighter with decent multiplayer, call it "Rogue Squadron" or whatever, and get whoever built Scrooge McDuck's treasure vault to build you a few to hold all the money that will pour in.  You're welcome.
 
2014-01-11 09:24:59 AM  

Parthenogenetic: There are two things that MUST be preserved as canon.

HK-47

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x333]

And Skippy, the Jedi droid.

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 200x251]

Can droids manifest as Force ghosts?  Because that would be awesome.


Why not? Force ghosts are most likely high frequency energy patterns.
 
2014-01-11 09:25:55 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Goddamn it Disney, release a modern version of X-Wing vs Tie Fighter with decent multiplayer, call it "Rogue Squadron" or whatever, and get whoever built Scrooge McDuck's treasure vault to build you a few to hold all the money that will pour in.  You're welcome.


Make sure there's a MacOS X version, and I'll wait in line outside the store on opening day.
 
2014-01-11 09:48:05 AM  
Having read articles by Pablo HIdalgo and Leland Chee, they can certainly appeal to the EU stuff the fans love and trash the ones the fans hated.  I think they know what they are doing in that respect.  But yes, most of the stuff post ROTJ sucked.  They can leave the Legacy series - the one with Darth Krayt - well enough alone because it's far enough into the future, but if they're trashing the Yuuzhan Vong then I guess Darth Krayt goes bye bye too.
 
2014-01-11 10:07:11 AM  

rocky_howard: Considering they threw enough money at Harry Ford that he forgot about his integrity and is playing the part again, I'm sure they realize that.


Harrison Ford does not have his head far enough up his ass for his "artistic integrity" or whatever bullshiat pretentious asshole actors imagine they have, to apply.  He's a guy who will do a bit in exchange for money so long as he feels someone might enjoy watching it, and has  never claimed his shiat is any kind of high art.

Indy 4 and coming back for the new SW movies is entirely in-character for him, because he's basically a nice guy that knows what his job is.  It's put him in bad movies before, deal with it.

// There are exactly two actors in hollywood skilled enough for "artistic integrity" to be a legitimate thing: Ian McKellan in dramatic roles and Ron Perlman acting thorugh heavy makeup.  And neither of them give a shiat, so there you have it-- your complaint is a silly one in general.
 
2014-01-11 10:20:39 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: The original novelization and SOTME were both written by Alan Dean Foster and both were reviewed and approved by Lucas.  Everything in those books is canon, no matter what Darth Mouse says.


Splinter of the Mind's Eye is hardly canon and Lucas would be the first to say so. He rejected it in favor of Empire Strikes Back and good thing too. Luke and Leia get it on, Vader is clearly not Anakin Skywalker, George Lucas said something about it existing in a parallel universe, or something.
 
2014-01-11 10:23:30 AM  
Hollywood loves remakes and reboots.

Reboot the prequels.

That is all.
 
2014-01-11 10:34:21 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Good. The EU stuff, with rare exception, is garbage.

/Boba Fett died in the giant sand vagina. Get over it.


This.
 
2014-01-11 10:49:17 AM  

Zombalupagus: Hollywood loves remakes and reboots.

Reboot the prequels.

That is all.


This can't/won't happen until Lucas pops his clogs.
 
2014-01-11 10:58:38 AM  

fastbow: voran: Hey now, the Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron stuff was pretty good.

If they keep that - along with the comic arcs too - then I won't complain about much else. I'll miss Thrawn, the adventures of Young Han Solo and not-so-young Han Solo, Dark Forces, The Courtship of Princess Leia, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, and Lando's adventures, but I won't complain.

Hey Disney, while you're listening, would it kill you to get us a remake of X-Wing Alliance?


Sure, but it's owned by electronic arts, now. So prepare to pay $19.99 for a DLC B-Wing...
 
2014-01-11 10:59:06 AM  

Jim_Callahan: // There are exactly two actors in hollywood skilled enough for "artistic integrity" to be a legitimate thing: Ian McKellan in dramatic roles and Ron Perlman acting thorugh heavy makeup.  And neither of them give a shiat, so there you have it-- your complaint is a silly one in general.


You forgot Patrick Stewart.  It seems like "not giving a shiat" is a thread among talented people.

I gave up on the EU after Kevin J. Anderson myself, but I would be hella surprised if they "forgot" Mara Jade.  For serious, the extra-special Force-powered chick that gets paired up with the bestest Jedi in all the universe?  Yeah, the chicks who stayed plugged in to Doctor Who because of who they got to ship would buy tickets for that, and Disney knows that.
 
2014-01-11 11:01:24 AM  

Zombalupagus: Hollywood loves remakes and reboots.

Reboot the prequels.

That is all.


This time Shia LaBeouf will be Anakin Skywalker.
 
2014-01-11 11:10:18 AM  
This actually doesn't bother me. New writers have a new starting point to create a new EU.

The EU is dead. long live the EU.
 
2014-01-11 11:26:18 AM  

QT_3.14159: .

KOTOR's biggest problem was that if you played the game as a female Bastila was such a horrific biatch to you that it made the game much less enjoyable, or at least not as replayable. I get that she was nice to the male player character and the boys love her, but ugh. She was so awful that she regularly got paired up with Canderous in (female written) fan fiction so she could get some rough lovin' and hopefully not be quite so much of a biatch... As much as I love Carth, he really couldn't quite make up for the horribleness of having to deal with Bastila.


It's odd because when played through as a male character Carth comes across as a whiny biatch. Most of the women who i know who have played KotOR dislike Bastila and liked Carth while most of the ment couldn't stand Carth and liked Bastila.

Carth is even worse than headache boy from Mass Effect.

/Best line every from some one watching one of the Reven cut scenes when the character was female
//"Is it me or does Reven have a girly walk"
 
2014-01-11 11:27:59 AM  
As long as they keep selling me the "non canon" books on my kindle I don't care what they say about them.
 
2014-01-11 11:34:10 AM  
It's about farking time this happened.
 
2014-01-11 11:36:42 AM  
The only novel I ever purchased was 'crystal of the minds eye' which was immediately rendered out of canon by 'empire'.
If Disney could do more outside the timeline of the movies, I'd be up for it.
I'm so sick of another story that's wedged between two already existing events. It removes all dramatic tension if you already know if anything affects the timeline.
 
2014-01-11 11:40:12 AM  
The Timothy Zahn trilogy from the 90s was pretty good. Everything that I read after that came across as fan fiction-level crap.

There are only so many times I'm going to buy that the fate of the entire universe rests in the hands of like 4 people.  I'd really, really love it if Disney would just start telling stories about other characters, other times, etc. I'd love to see something really well done depicting the formation of the Jedi, the establishment of the Old Republic, etc.
 
2014-01-11 11:43:20 AM  
Esroc
I really don't want them to throw out the Vong War. That arc really needed to be distilled down into four or five novels tops, but taken as a whole I greatly enjoyed it.


While I've forgotten most of it, I certainly didn't mind going through them.
Maybe it's also because I only know the EU as audio stories and I believe those are abridged (i.e. already slightly "distilled").
Plus they aren't pure audiobooks, they added some Star Wars music and sound effects; hearing guns, lightssabers, engines, "hero music" and whatnot creates a nice Star Wars atmosphere and some additional entertainment.
 
2014-01-11 11:56:32 AM  
I for one am grateful. There is a lot of horrendous crap in the books. From Kevin Anderson (Worst Author EVAR!!!! May him and his descendants lose their writing/typing hands in tragic nosepicking accidents!) to Dave Wolverton who wrote the courtship of Princess Leia and his insurmountably idiotic concepts of why Happan ships are better than Imperial Star Destroyers.

And De-crapify is my new favorite word.

Losing Thrawn and HK-47 would make me sad, however. Though it would be worth the trade-off if Disney could be convinced to get rid of Jar-Jar, the changed versions of the original trilogy, metachlorians and the droids from the prequels.
 
2014-01-11 11:57:16 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.



Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


So much hope then. I lived off WEG supplements and the dawning of additional material. I think we were so desperate anything sounded good.

And X-wing and TIE fighter. Oh how I enjoyed being a loyal servant of the emperor.
 
2014-01-11 11:58:27 AM  

Leishu: Bslim: Ohhh boy, they're going Trekkify this biatch, Abrams style. Seriuosly, fark these huys.

Honestly, the Abrams Trek pacing seemed like it would absolutely be perfect for a Star Wars film to me, but maybe that's just me.


He totally star warsified Star Trek, I've been peddling that for a long time. He'd do just fine with sw.
 
2014-01-11 12:01:15 PM  
West End Games D6 Star Wars RPG is the only non Original Trilogy canon that I care for.

/Great game.
 
2014-01-11 12:01:30 PM  

Parthenogenetic: There are two things that MUST be preserved as canon.

HK-47

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x333]

And Skippy, the Jedi droid.

[static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 200x251]

Can droids manifest as Force ghosts?  Because that would be awesome.


George Lucas is such a meatbag.
 
x23
2014-01-11 12:05:56 PM  
like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.
 
2014-01-11 12:10:21 PM  

x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.


And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.
 
2014-01-11 12:13:50 PM  

MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.


I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.
 
2014-01-11 12:17:56 PM  

Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.


People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.
 
2014-01-11 12:21:29 PM  

FunkOut: Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.

People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.


To me, they're a perfect representation of the moment when Lucas decided that merchandising was more important than telling a good story.

A lot of people seem to hate the fact that Disney bought the SW franchise, but I see it as a chance to undo a terrible mistake and maybe get a chance to tell a story that has a focus other than being a vehicle for merchandising.

Yes, I know Disney will be selling SW stuff.  No, I don't think that they'll sacrifice the integrity of the story in order to do so.  If they had that in mind, they would never have brought Kasden back in to write the new movies.
 
2014-01-11 12:21:50 PM  

seancdaug: Most of the EU sucks, especially in recent years. But then, the prequels sucked equally hard, and Return of the Jedi wasn't any great shakes, either, so that's hardly unique to them. I'd much rather have Zahn's Heir to the Empire trilogy than Attack of the Clones, for instance.

"

I love Star Wars. Except the EU. And the prequels. And RotJ. And the spinoff movies."

I hate to break it to you, but I don't think you like Star Wars. That's ok. You don't have to.

I like all 6 movies, except I always get sleepy during Empire. I liked the Clone Wars, what episodes I watched out of order with my son. I'm looking forward to the next series. I loved Tie Fighter, and some of the other games.

You know what's awesome? Lightsabers. Will the new movies have lightsabers? Yes.

I'm annoyed with how the Jedi were portrayed in the prequels, but it beat the fact that the Jedi were basically history in the original trilogy. Maybe the new movies will improve it. I kinda hope we get a good compelling story out of it. But it doesn't have to be. It's supposed to be a little cheesy.
 
2014-01-11 12:23:31 PM  
Disney needs to do the right thing and release the 70mm Technicolor print of Star Wars, or use it in the process to create a Blu-Ray or even plain DVD.

(To be clear, though, the 70mm print is *not* said to include anything extra.)

George Lucas may still retain a copy (there are said to be 3) unless he sold that to Disney, and I am assuming that's more likely than not.

And on a slightly different track, yes, the version of Star Wars that CBS would play often in the early 80s did have the Biggs scenes included. This is being confused with the false notion that it was ever shown in theaters.  (Yes, that includes Luke witnessing the battle in the beginning.)

Star Wars Insider provided some proof of this in some issues back in the late 90s during the big hoopla surround the Special Editions.
However, the Biggs scenes and the early scene of Luke was cut out of the film  before it was released in '77 after a viewing with Spielberg and Scorsese and of course we never shown in theaters.Still, I clearly remember the scenes being shown on a "Special Presentation" of Star Wars on CBS in 1981 or perhaps 1982.


I'd have to dig around for the exact issues (2 of them), but they exist and clearly there is another version of Star Wars either in possession of CBS, George Lucas, or Disney, or all.

Yes, I watched Luke fail at the first grappling hook attempt many times on TV in the early 80s and if you do a control-f for "grappling" http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/star-wars-lost-footage.html on that page, you'll go to a spot where it's briefly discussed, and I'm not the only person who remembers.

Some Star Wars fan will be a real hero if they can produce of those alternate edits on VHS and Disney could do wonder with a pristine 70mm print of SW. (not A New Hope 1981)
 
2014-01-11 12:27:09 PM  
Sorry for the typos, but as far as the EU, it's not as "important" than finding the missing materials of such an insanely popular movie that started it all.

Besides, Disney can't force you (ha) to accept their version of the EU.
 
2014-01-11 12:29:11 PM  

FunkOut: Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.

People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.


No hate. I just found it silly the furballs took out an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops with sticks and stones. If that was the Emperor's best no wonder the Empire lost.
 
2014-01-11 12:37:12 PM  
One thing I can add is that Leia gave Luke a disappointing Luke when he missed, making the next try all the more exciting when it made its mark.

I never gave it much thought because I would not own Star Wars or its sequels until 1990, so as far as I was concerned in my boy mind, that is what was shown in theaters.

After 1990, occasionally there would be TV presentations of Star Wars that were identical to my official VHS copies except that Luke would say: "Blast it, Wedge, where are you?" instead of: "Blast it, Biggs, where are you?"     And if you watch the film, Luke is turned away as he says the name of the person, so it was an easy edit. That's another TV-only(?) gem that needs to be unearthed.
 
2014-01-11 12:39:13 PM  

MechaPyx: FunkOut: Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.

People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.

No hate. I just found it silly the furballs took out an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops with sticks and stones. If that was the Emperor's best no wonder the Empire lost.


They were psychotic bears with hands and stone age weapons. I would have given them fangs and poison saliva.
 
2014-01-11 12:39:22 PM  
shiat "disappointing LOOK"

There's got to be at least one farker old enough who remembers the alternate versions. (and again, yes I know they weren't shown in theaters...as far as I know, though some argue the early 70mm prints do contain more scenes, not just side information)
 
2014-01-11 12:39:40 PM  

jonny_q: "I hate to break it to you, but I don't think you like Star Wars. That's ok. You don't have to."


You're not breaking anything to me, actually. I'd never describe myself as a Star Wars fan. At its best, I consider it a decent, but (SFX aside) generally unremarkable action/adventure franchise. At its worst it's... a not very good action/adventure franchise.

There are bits and pieces of it I quite like, though, and I admire the scope of the expanded universe quite a bit. But, probably like most of its theatrical audience, I'm a casual follower at best.
 
2014-01-11 12:42:14 PM  

Infernalist: To me, they're a perfect representation of the moment when Lucas decided that merchandising was more important than telling a good story.


Merchandising my ass, it was clearly a metaphor for Vietnam.
 
2014-01-11 12:48:50 PM  
Canon: Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Manning newspaper strips, Han Solo trilogy, Lando's trilogy & Shadows of the Empire.

Everything else can go fark itself and DIAF.
 
2014-01-11 12:52:22 PM  
Only the original trilogy counts anyway.
 
2014-01-11 12:56:46 PM  

verbaltoxin: Only the original trilogy counts anyway.


Only the first two movies count.  ROTJ was crap.
 
2014-01-11 12:57:56 PM  
As long as the scene on the first Death Star with the stormtrooper smashing his head into the door doesn't get chopped I will remain a happy camper.
 
2014-01-11 12:58:13 PM  

Infernalist: verbaltoxin: Only the original trilogy counts anyway.

Only the first two movies count.  ROTJ was crap.


I see you were born before 1980.
 
2014-01-11 01:04:49 PM  

verbaltoxin: Infernalist: verbaltoxin: Only the original trilogy counts anyway.

Only the first two movies count.  ROTJ was crap.

I see you were born before 1980.


How'd you guess?
 
2014-01-11 01:12:38 PM  

95BV5: Canon: Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Manning newspaper strips, Han Solo trilogy, Lando's trilogy & Shadows of the Empire.

Everything else can go fark itself and DIAF.


I really like Splinter and the Lando trilogy.
 
2014-01-11 01:13:18 PM  
Jensaarai:

It's not like they're pulling a Trek where they're undoing TV shows/movies. And besides, the whole thing became a giant mess after all the retconning they had to pull to kinda-sorta make it fit with the prequels.

Actually that's what made the Trek method so great. All of the original series happened but the new stuff is an alternate timeline where things are going differently, they aren't undoing anything.
 
2014-01-11 01:14:53 PM  
Good. Most of the EU is horrendous shiat anyway. I read some of the old pre-prequel novels in school when I was a dumb nerd, never read any after Lucas mutilated my childhood.

Decided to give it another go in recent history (a month or so ago), and picked up the Darth Plagueis book because if any of the prequel characters caught my interest it was Palpatine's own mentor. Of any character I really wanted to know more about, it was the guy who trained Emperor Palpatine. Considering just how little about him was talked about on-screen, I felt this was a great blank slate to really dig deep and produce the kind of character who forged Palpatine into the evil coont of the Star Wars movies.

James Luceno can die in a farking fire. This novel was less about telling a story of the guy who trained and mentored the Emperor, and more about trying to play damage control and 'making sense' of the literary abortion that is the EU universe and tying it into bullshiat like the Clone Wars and other bad decisions of George Lucas.

And from what my friends have said, it's like this all around. The novels are less about telling stories and more about trying to weave logic out the complete horseshiat Lucas has done to his own franchise with his 'creativity'.

Most of the novel I read was complete and utter bullshiat about characters I've either never heard of that were elsewhere in the EU, or about some stupid convoluted story that was obligated to tie in other shiatty stories from other EU novels for it all to make sense that was no doubt penned as an obligation of even more convoluted dumbass stories that predated it.

Oh, and apparently Palpatine stopped being an apprentice immediately after TPM, since Darth Plagueis was alive up until his coronation as Chancellor and actively involved in his training.

And Darth Maul wasn't a Sith Lord. He was an 'assassin' trained by Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious (Palpatine).

Complete and utter tripe, even for Star Wars.
 
2014-01-11 01:16:46 PM  
F*ck the Vong.
 
2014-01-11 01:19:34 PM  
The Darth names are mostly rather stupid.
 
2014-01-11 01:20:13 PM  

Kittypie070: F*ck the Vong.


u18chan.com
 
2014-01-11 01:47:27 PM  
Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.
 
2014-01-11 01:49:03 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.


The awful part was the writing.

Because Hutt Jedi lol
 
2014-01-11 01:51:56 PM  

Alphax: thecactusman17: They can gut pretty much everything, but I want three things to still be more or less untouched after the cut.

Heir to the Empire (or at least Thrawn)

Shadows of the Empire (George considers it canon and it was developed to be a canon story sans movie, so it's probably safe)

The X-Wing series.  Specifically, all of Rogue Squadron, all of Wraith Squadron, The Courtship of Princess Leia, and maybe I, Jedi.  Not great writing, but oozes great Star Wars on every page.

Hell, I honestly think they could safely scrap any plans to re-feature the original cast and instead just make Rogue Squadron a film trilogy.  People would love it.  Retake the galactic capital against a despotic maniac in a daring secret raid?  With barely any Jedi in sight (a certain character's Force sensitivity can either be ignored or explored lightly to great effect)?  Good stories make good movies.

Agreed.. though the first couple of X-Wing books were rather cheesy.   The first chapter of the first book was based upon one of the missions in the X-Wing computer game, which was rather cool, but never repeated.

Prince Xizor was a pretty good villain, if rather wasted on a single book.  Dash Rengar, please, no.


That mission was brutal too, as I remember. Really all of X-wing was, especially in comparison to TIE Fighter. Which was fitting I guess, always being the grossly outnumbered underdog and all.
 
2014-01-11 02:00:37 PM  

Infernalist: I created this alt just for this thread: Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.

The awful part was the writing.

Because Hutt Jedi lol


Oh, there has been some pretty bad writing in the EU, for sure.  I'm just mystified by these people who cry "Mary Sue!" every time they encounter a character that doesn't spend half the story brooding and the other half barely managing to function.
 
2014-01-11 02:12:43 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Infernalist: I created this alt just for this thread: Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.

The awful part was the writing.

Because Hutt Jedi lol

Oh, there has been some pretty bad writing in the EU, for sure.  I'm just mystified by these people who cry "Mary Sue!" every time they encounter a character that doesn't spend half the story brooding and the other half barely managing to function.


That word gets thrown around pretty liberally these days, especially in Doctor Who fandom where people weirdly accuse characters like Amy Pond of being a Mary Sue, despite Steven Moffatt not being a tall, Scottish redhead woman, or River Song being one because she is more competent than a typical Doctor Who companion because she's designed to be interesting enough to make a good romantic companion for a 1200 year old Time Lord.

The people throwing away the term need to have Inigo Montoya pop in and remind them that it doesn't mean what they think it means.
 
2014-01-11 02:14:14 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Infernalist: I created this alt just for this thread: Anyone who biatches about "Mary Sue" characters needs a swift kick in the babymaker.  We get it, you think that every character being deeply flawed and barely competent is more "realistic" and "interesting", but it isn't.  It's farking tiresome and there's not a dammed thing wrong with having some capable characters with flaws that aren't part of the story.  As for the whole representing the author part of the Mary Sue, who the fark cares if the author puts themselves in the story?  Oh no, the author used their own experience and personality in the story they're writing!  How awful of them.

The awful part was the writing.

Because Hutt Jedi lol

Oh, there has been some pretty bad writing in the EU, for sure.  I'm just mystified by these people who cry "Mary Sue!" every time they encounter a character that doesn't spend half the story brooding and the other half barely managing to function.


Yeah, i think "Mary Sue" is overused as a term. What's wrong with just calling a character "bad"? It's a bad character. Mary Sue has a meaning - it's a character that is a standin for the author, often who performs at extreme levels of competency compared to the characters around him.
 
2014-01-11 02:24:03 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe


What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2014-01-11 02:30:26 PM  

Parthenogenetic: There are two things that MUST be preserved as canon.

HK-47



And Skippy, the Jedi droid.



Can droids manifest as Force ghosts?  Because that would be awesome.


And Wookie Life day.
 
2014-01-11 02:39:07 PM  

FunkOut: MechaPyx: FunkOut: Infernalist: MechaPyx: x23: like most hardcore Star Wars fans... i am hoping they finally wrap up the Ewok Adventures trilogy. just one more movie to pick up where Caravan of Courage & The Battle for Endor left off.

And they all died. The End.

There. All wrapped up for you.

I would be most amused if they went ahead and used the non-canon story about how the wreckage of the Death Star ruined Endor and killed off the Ewoks.

People just hate them because they're short and not macho enough.

No hate. I just found it silly the furballs took out an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops with sticks and stones. If that was the Emperor's best no wonder the Empire lost.

They were psychotic bears with hands and stone age weapons. I would have given them fangs and poison saliva.


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-11 02:39:57 PM  
So no more Jedi Academy or domestic bliss for all the characters?  Hooray!

The only things I think they should keep is the concept of a privateeer with a red Star Destroyer and this:  http://youtu.be/jYXJZCkN0Hg?t=42m19s  (in less than 1 minute, they added more mysticism to the Force than the midichlorians took away).
 
2014-01-11 02:49:05 PM  

Great_Milenko: So no more Jedi Academy or domestic bliss for all the characters?  Hooray!


Oh god, are you one of those people who thinks heroes should never allowed to be happy for any length of time?  That suffering, instead of good writing and characterization, is what makes for an interesting character?  If so, I hear DC is hiring.
 
2014-01-11 02:52:28 PM  
However, Star Wars Christmas Special still canon.
 
2014-01-11 03:19:12 PM  

aerojockey: However, Star Wars Christmas Special still canon.


As is probably this.

i.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-11 03:21:50 PM  
Simple enough all of the Expanded Universe is now an Alternate Universe. Seriously The worst of the EU I read had to be the Black Fleet Crisis series of books. If I was going to keep anything around it would have to be the X-Wing series and the Thrawn Trilogy and go from there. I enjoyed the X-Wing Books since they early on focused on the re-taking of Coruscant and the fight againts the Imperial Remant Warlords causing chaos until Thrawn returned. That's where I would stop it, but there are a few things that would be worth picking out of the other books and comics that written.
 
2014-01-11 03:32:26 PM  
You know it's bad when even Disney thinks you've over-merchandised.
 
2014-01-11 03:41:30 PM  
UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

Nope. He's the Rob Liefeld of SF. He destroys everything he puts his hands on.

And I'm not gonna 'splain why I think so, either.
 
2014-01-11 03:47:34 PM  

Kittypie070: UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

Nope. He's the Rob Liefeld of SF. He destroys everything he puts his hands on.

And I'm not gonna 'splain why I think so, either.


I know it's been a while since I've read them, but I don't remember anything about lots of pouches and tiny feet in Anderson's Dune books.
 
2014-01-11 03:50:57 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Wars sucks anyway.  No surprise the exanded universey sucks MORE.

This isn't a troll.  Star Trek is way better and I am completely serious.  I tried Empire again a year or two ago.  Fond memories, but it's like watching He-Man and the Masters of the Universe as an adult.  It's just really stupid and bad.

Cool weapons and junk though.

As a teenager I did enjoy reading Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina.  But I was 15 and what the hell does a 15 year old know?  Marijuana, Star Wars books and DOS gaming.  That's it!


I like Star Trek and Star Wars for different reasons. But in terms of pure sci-fi, Trek beats Wars. But that's because Wars is a sci-fantasy, whereas Trek is actual sci-fi.

Well, Trek is a soft sci-fi. Hard sci-fi would be more akin to Firefly, in terms of actual science used.
 
2014-01-11 04:00:18 PM  

efgeise: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Wars sucks anyway.  No surprise the exanded universey sucks MORE.

This isn't a troll.  Star Trek is way better and I am completely serious.  I tried Empire again a year or two ago.  Fond memories, but it's like watching He-Man and the Masters of the Universe as an adult.  It's just really stupid and bad.

Cool weapons and junk though.

As a teenager I did enjoy reading Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina.  But I was 15 and what the hell does a 15 year old know?  Marijuana, Star Wars books and DOS gaming.  That's it!

I like Star Trek and Star Wars for different reasons. But in terms of pure sci-fi, Trek beats Wars. But that's because Wars is a sci-fantasy, whereas Trek is actual sci-fi.

Well, Trek is a soft sci-fi. Hard sci-fi would be more akin to Firefly, in terms of actual science used.


Asimov is the only real hard sci-fi.
 
2014-01-11 04:03:18 PM  

enderthexenocide: Esroc: I'll still enjoy the old EU. I'm not washing my hands of it. I'm washing my hands of the new shiat. I put in my time with the old universe. I'm not going to keep up with a second universe just because they're too lazy/don't care enough to work with the continuity that every other piece of media in the past has had no goddamn problem adhering to.

i'm not sure what you mean by this.  all the video games, books, comics, etc, didn't adhere to the continuity, they created it.  it's not like some video game by lucasarts had to match the continuity of some fan fiction crap in the expanded universe, they created their own storylines and it became part of the eu because it was an official star wars product.  the only official canon they had to actually stick with was the stuff from the original trilogy, which these movies will also do, i assume.  there is no need for them to try to carry around the plot baggage of 30 years of new additions to the universe.

its like complaining that marvel comics or dc comics titles don't adhere to their own internal continuity.  they can't tell intelligent, meaningful stories when they are so bogged down by years of backstory and contradictory canon.  there's a reason why franchises like the x-men have all those different universes.  would you expect the 1990s x-men cartoon to adhere faithfully to the continuity of the original uncanny x-men comic?  of course not.  the only way to develop new stories and introduce new fans to the franchise is by simplifying the story and disregarding "canon" that gets in the way.

disney is basically trying to re-introduce live action star wars movies to a new generation.  i hate to tell you this, but most star wars fans haven't read the comics, or all the novels, or played most of the games.  they've seen the movies and the clone wars cartoon and that's about it.  so for disney to try to make the new movies fit in with the eu will only confuse all those people who love star wars but have no idea wh ...


The EU is so freaking bloated. Plus, it wouldn't just be "difficult" to work a new script into the EU canon, it'd be downright impossible, depending on how many years before or after the Saga.

Honestly, Disney should just axe most of it and get their good writers on it. KoToR could probably stay, if only because it takes place so long ago in the Star Wars universe that it doesn't really impact anything.
 
2014-01-11 04:07:31 PM  

Weatherkiss: Good. Most of the EU is horrendous shiat anyway. I read some of the old pre-prequel novels in school when I was a dumb nerd, never read any after Lucas mutilated my childhood.

Decided to give it another go in recent history (a month or so ago), and picked up the Darth Plagueis book because if any of the prequel characters caught my interest it was Palpatine's own mentor. Of any character I really wanted to know more about, it was the guy who trained Emperor Palpatine. Considering just how little about him was talked about on-screen, I felt this was a great blank slate to really dig deep and produce the kind of character who forged Palpatine into the evil coont of the Star Wars movies.

James Luceno can die in a farking fire. This novel was less about telling a story of the guy who trained and mentored the Emperor, and more about trying to play damage control and 'making sense' of the literary abortion that is the EU universe and tying it into bullshiat like the Clone Wars and other bad decisions of George Lucas.

And from what my friends have said, it's like this all around. The novels are less about telling stories and more about trying to weave logic out the complete horseshiat Lucas has done to his own franchise with his 'creativity'.

Most of the novel I read was complete and utter bullshiat about characters I've either never heard of that were elsewhere in the EU, or about some stupid convoluted story that was obligated to tie in other shiatty stories from other EU novels for it all to make sense that was no doubt penned as an obligation of even more convoluted dumbass stories that predated it.

Oh, and apparently Palpatine stopped being an apprentice immediately after TPM, since Darth Plagueis was alive up until his coronation as Chancellor and actively involved in his training.

And Darth Maul wasn't a Sith Lord. He was an 'assassin' trained by Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious (Palpatine).

Complete and utter tripe, even for Star Wars.


See, I always imagined that Palapatine had been alive and a Sith Lord for FAAAAAAAR longer than that. I always envisioned Palpatine as the great shaper of the movements of the Republic for at least a century or so. Especially when he talks about Plagueis as living long ago. Palpatine was so much more badass in my mind than they portrayed in the prequel trilogy, or even in the original trilogy.
 
2014-01-11 04:08:07 PM  
Damnit, Palpatine* anywhere I added an extra a.
 
2014-01-11 04:11:30 PM  

Kittypie070: UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

Nope. He's the Rob Liefeld of SF. He destroys everything he puts his hands on.

And I'm not gonna 'splain why I think so, either.



My ex-girlfriend rode an elevator with him at a convention. She noticed the guest badge and asked who he was, and when he told her she said the only reason she had heard of him was that her boyfriend (me) hated his writing.
 
2014-01-11 04:14:04 PM  

Infernalist: efgeise: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Wars sucks anyway.  No surprise the exanded universey sucks MORE.

This isn't a troll.  Star Trek is way better and I am completely serious.  I tried Empire again a year or two ago.  Fond memories, but it's like watching He-Man and the Masters of the Universe as an adult.  It's just really stupid and bad.

Cool weapons and junk though.

As a teenager I did enjoy reading Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina.  But I was 15 and what the hell does a 15 year old know?  Marijuana, Star Wars books and DOS gaming.  That's it!

I like Star Trek and Star Wars for different reasons. But in terms of pure sci-fi, Trek beats Wars. But that's because Wars is a sci-fantasy, whereas Trek is actual sci-fi.

Well, Trek is a soft sci-fi. Hard sci-fi would be more akin to Firefly, in terms of actual science used.

Asimov is the only real hard sci-fi.


I agree, but most people haven't read a lot of Asimov (myself included, unfortunately). I prefer sci-fi in the realm of Firefly, which is soft sci-fi anchored by realistic ideas. While I love Star Trek, has always been very wishy washy with the science (heisenberg compensators).
 
2014-01-11 04:25:19 PM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

What the fark is wrong with you?


I'm just here to help underline the question.  What was that, sarcasm?!
 
2014-01-11 04:32:06 PM  
Glad I'm not the only one who liked I Jedi...

I read absolute craploads of eu stuff and yeah... Most of it blows... I liked the boba fett story in tales from jabbas palace-- but they couldn't just leave it alone. By the time the vong story started I was getting pretty tired of the crap. The vong were pretty cool though. When they killed chew baca (fark autocorrect I'm not double typing everything on this farking ipad) I was kinda done. I kept reading to kinda find out what happened and when they axed anakin I really was done. There was nothing likeable left except for the tush an gong... Autocorrect u bastard... But yeah. Those guys were cool and I kinda hoped they were just going to kill off everyone and start some new fresh characters. Lol no.

And frankly Mara jade was awesome until they shipped her up with Luke "I'm a big farking pussy" sky walker.

if they keep anything from the eu let it be the crystal star. Just for the trolling lulz. The lulz and angry fans would make it worth it.
 
2014-01-11 04:32:22 PM  

Teufelaffe: Kittypie070: UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe

Nope. He's the Rob Liefeld of SF. He destroys everything he puts his hands on.

And I'm not gonna 'splain why I think so, either.


I know it's been a while since I've read them, but I don't remember anything about lots of pouches and tiny feet in Anderson's Dune books.


awright fine.

It was one of the interminable Duke Leto wedding scenes [before the good Duke up n quit on the idea of officially marrying any more of those vapid noblewomen] where stupid lethal bladey crap abruptly came zipping out of the imported-for-the-occasion Ecazi alien tree pots RIGHT IN THE MIDST OF THE WEDDING, which was supposed to be a very VERY high security event, right???? because mebbe Kevvy Boy was bored that day and wanted yet another addition to his endlessly predictable chain of Let's Fling Gallons of Blood Around For Sh*ts & Laughs scenes.

Frank Herbert indirectly taught that predictability is a grave error in writing.

Kevin Anderson gleefully commits that very error everywhere he goes, and he gets away with it.

If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.

I hope that's a satisfactory answer.
 
2014-01-11 04:35:27 PM  

Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.



Go to Dragon*Con, he trolls it regularly.
 
2014-01-11 04:42:42 PM  

Boojum2k: Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.


Go to Dragon*Con, he trolls it regularly.


Hmm....
 
2014-01-11 04:51:41 PM  

Kittypie070: Boojum2k: Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.


Go to Dragon*Con, he trolls it regularly.

Hmm....



I really really really really want to see him kittyhammered. Or at least publically mocked and shamed, again.
 
2014-01-11 04:57:41 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Zombalupagus: Hollywood loves remakes and reboots.

Reboot the prequels.

That is all.


This time Shia LaBeouf will be Anakin Skywalker.


It would be an improvement. Anything would be an improvement.

In my Perfect World I'd want to see Anakin's fall from grace from being Obi-Wan's "good friend". The loser they gave us never had grace in the first place. And of course I want to see his rise to power as Vader.

Though I really don't want to see three stinking movies about that. There's so much else going on. So many other stories.

/a Man can dream, can't he?
 
2014-01-11 05:37:18 PM  

Infernalist: Well, Trek is a soft sci-fi. Hard sci-fi would be more akin to Firefly, in terms of actual science used.

Asimov is the only real hard sci-fi.


31.media.tumblr.com

biatch, please.
 
2014-01-11 05:38:22 PM  

Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.


I somehow always imagined 'kittyhammer' involved more alcohol and less violence.
 
2014-01-11 06:22:42 PM  

starsrift: Kittypie070: If I ever meet the lousy scribbler he's gonna get a faceful of kittyhammer.

I somehow always imagined 'kittyhammer' involved more alcohol and less violence.


Why not both?
 
2014-01-11 06:39:28 PM  
I've read a lot of the EU, and played most of the game, and I've delved as deep into it as most people can bear... And I'm OK with this. Truly, it was becoming a bloated, shiatty mess.

Eliminate everything after Episode VI and before Episode I, but keep The Clone Wars TV series (not the overblown Genndy T. animated version though), and of course the upcoming series about the period between III and IV.

Just keeping The Clone Wars series as canon means they keep a lot of somewhat-interesting EU stuff. (It canonized the Dathomiri Nightsisters, for example.)

THINGS FROM THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE THAT I WILL NOT MISS
Ysalamiri (Force-canceling tree lizards)
Force-sensitive R5-D4
Talon Karrde
Every planet-killing superweapon since Death Star II (Sun Crusher, Darksaber, etc.)
EVERYTHING that happened in "The Crystal Star"
Joruus C'Boath and Luuke Skywalker
The entire war with the Yuuzhan Vong
Abeloth
The Lost Tribe of the Sith
The Killik Hive
Darth Traya
The entire Dark Empire story
The entire Young Jedi Knights line of books
Everything Karen Traviss ever wrote in the Star Wars EU line.
And really, the last 8 years of EU novels. All of them.

I could go on. There's a lot of awful crap in the EU, and I'm not sad to see it get pitched. I'm also glad to see them drop the canon hierarchy in favor of canon or non-canon.
 
2014-01-11 06:48:43 PM  
mikefinch
When they killed chew baca (fark autocorrect I'm not double typing everything on this farking ipad) I was kinda done.

I seem to be the only one who didn't give a fark when that grunting waste of story-telling space got left behind.
 
2014-01-11 07:09:42 PM  
I liked the Vong war, Thrawn trilogy, bounty hunter tales and a few other things. I stopped with the Killik nest thing after the first book. Didn't feel as interesting, and furthermore, I was becoming much more interested in marijuana & ladies at the time. I grew out of Star Wars a bit but I have kind of kept track on the internet. The whole "Jacen becomes Sith Lord" thing seemed interesting but I've heard a lot of bad things. I'm not sure how to feel about Boba Fett and his whole family living on Mandalore, training Jaina thing... Interesting, but almost seems a bit much. By god, he survived that damned Sarlaac though. They have to keep that. I really hope they keep Kyle Katarn too. I loved those video games so dearly.

Anyway, it would be nice if they kept the Vong War. I know tons of people hate the NJO, and it certainly is drawn out, but for whatever reason, maybe reading it as I was growing up, I still recall it with fond memories. Maybe it's just nostalgia. I think the darkness of the series was something I really enjoyed. It could be cool to see a mini-series or regular TV series based on the NJO, maybe on HBO or something to keep the kiddies away. I know, that's a distant pipe dream.

I felt kind of upset at first about all this EU destruction, but I have some faith that certain aspects of the EU, the really good stuff, will be kept. After all, Coruscant was an invention of the Thrawn trilogy. George Lucas adapted the city-planet from Zahn's novels when he made the atrocity of TPM. I'm with everyone else saying that the prequels should be trashed/rebooted though. I enjoyed them a bit more when I was younger, but christ have those movies not aged well. It embarrasses me how excited I was for all three of them, and the lies I told to convince myself I enjoyed the movies, as well as trying to make them 'fit in' with everything else I loved about Star Wars. The whole experience was, and has been, farking awful. Nearly killed my faith in Star Wars, and definitely destroyed the image of George Lucas in my mind. Just farking awful.

It pisses me off to no end to see that stale, farking horseshiat Hayden Christensen standing next to Obi-Wan and Yoda at the end of ROTJ. What a farking slap in the face.

/Also, Han shot first
 
2014-01-11 07:14:36 PM  

The Voice of Doom: mikefinch
When they killed chew baca (fark autocorrect I'm not double typing everything on this farking ipad) I was kinda done.

I seem to be the only one who didn't give a fark when that grunting waste of story-telling space got left behind.


I don't think of him that badly. I agree with the rest though; his usefulness was only to support Han. That's it. He barely advanced the novels at all. He basically lived on the Millenium Falcon and existed to serve the Solo family. Now the character arc of Han Solo after Chewie's death was something I enjoyed. The depression, lack of purpose... then he teams up with that crazy gypsy alien Droma dude. Good stuff.
 
2014-01-11 08:04:51 PM  
What is with all the Ysalamiri hate?
 
2014-01-11 08:17:22 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.

[static1.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x448]

Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


www.chrismadden.co.uk
 
2014-01-11 08:35:52 PM  
photos1.blogger.com Obligatory.
 
2014-01-11 10:12:05 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I've read a lot of the EU, and played most of the game, and I've delved as deep into it as most people can bear... And I'm OK with this. Truly, it was becoming a bloated, shiatty mess.

Eliminate everything after Episode VI and before Episode I, but keep The Clone Wars TV series (not the overblown Genndy T. animated version though), and of course the upcoming series about the period between III and IV.

Just keeping The Clone Wars series as canon means they keep a lot of somewhat-interesting EU stuff. (It canonized the Dathomiri Nightsisters, for example.)

THINGS FROM THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE THAT I WILL NOT MISS
Ysalamiri (Force-canceling tree lizards)
Force-sensitive R5-D4
Talon Karrde
Every planet-killing superweapon since Death Star II (Sun Crusher, Darksaber, etc.)
EVERYTHING that happened in "The Crystal Star"
Joruus C'Boath and Luuke Skywalker
The entire war with the Yuuzhan Vong
Abeloth
The Lost Tribe of the Sith
The Killik Hive
Darth Traya
The entire Dark Empire story
The entire Young Jedi Knights line of books
Everything Karen Traviss ever wrote in the Star Wars EU line.
And really, the last 8 years of EU novels. All of them.

I could go on. There's a lot of awful crap in the EU, and I'm not sad to see it get pitched. I'm also glad to see them drop the canon hierarchy in favor of canon or non-canon.


I recently got into a Star Wards tabletop and I wanted to give myself a little bit better understanding of the Star Wars verse, so I picked up the first book in this series. Fark that shiat!
 
2014-01-11 11:30:33 PM  

Alphax: I wonder who they could get for Xizor's Human Replica Droid.. looks like a gorgeous blonde human women, but with strength and speed to make her Xizor's personal Terminator.

Eh, they probably won't ever film that.


Sounds like that has already been made...

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-11 11:40:38 PM  
Disney:

We bought star wars and lucasfilm, but don't worry, if you like your old EU you can keep it....

......cancel notices to be mailed next week.
 
2014-01-12 12:12:10 AM  

FunkOut: 95BV5: Canon: Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the Manning newspaper strips, Han Solo trilogy, Lando's trilogy & Shadows of the Empire.

Everything else can go fark itself and DIAF.

I really like Splinter and the Lando trilogy.


Yeah, they're fun reads. I'll amend my statement to include Dark Forces, as I named my kid Kyle Katarn.
 
2014-01-12 01:07:57 AM  

tgambitg: Alphax: I wonder who they could get for Xizor's Human Replica Droid.. looks like a gorgeous blonde human women, but with strength and speed to make her Xizor's personal Terminator.

Eh, they probably won't ever film that.

Sounds like that has already been made...

[img.fark.net image 769x1024]


Looks good.  Let's see her wipe out a whole space pirate gang with her bare hands.
 
2014-01-12 01:17:47 AM  

Teufelaffe: What is with all the Ysalamiri hate?


Never understood the hate, if the force exists around all life, why not use it... like heat, to hunt. Then why not evolve to eliminate the force(heat) sensitive abilities of your predator?

People are whinny. The Thrawn trilogy fully captured the pace and style of the original trilogy, but a few on this site are just weepy sacks of crap. You would think that their entire family had just been raped.
 
2014-01-12 01:49:16 AM  

ZeroCorpse: I've read a lot of the EU, and played most of the game, and I've delved as deep into it as most people can bear... And I'm OK with this. Truly, it was becoming a bloated, shiatty mess.

Eliminate everything after Episode VI and before Episode I, but keep The Clone Wars TV series (not the overblown Genndy T. animated version though), and of course the upcoming series about the period between III and IV.

Just keeping The Clone Wars series as canon means they keep a lot of somewhat-interesting EU stuff. (It canonized the Dathomiri Nightsisters, for example.)

THINGS FROM THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE THAT I WILL NOT MISS
Ysalamiri (Force-canceling tree lizards)
Force-sensitive R5-D4
Talon Karrde
Every planet-killing superweapon since Death Star II (Sun Crusher, Darksaber, etc.)
EVERYTHING that happened in "The Crystal Star"
Joruus C'Boath and Luuke Skywalker
The entire war with the Yuuzhan Vong
Abeloth
The Lost Tribe of the Sith
The Killik Hive
Darth Traya
The entire Dark Empire story
The entire Young Jedi Knights line of books
Everything Karen Traviss ever wrote in the Star Wars EU line.
And really, the last 8 years of EU novels. All of them.

I could go on. There's a lot of awful crap in the EU, and I'm not sad to see it get pitched. I'm also glad to see them drop the canon hierarchy in favor of canon or non-canon.



Surely you can't mean messing with the KOTOR or Pre-KOTOR era?  It's far enough away from the films, it doesn't have a huge impact.  Sorta like Rome to modern world.  It's far enough away to have scant bearing on modern society, but not enough to really affect it drastically.
 
2014-01-12 01:53:11 AM  

Teufelaffe: What is with all the Ysalamiri hate?


Ditto.  I kinda like the Ysalamiri.  They were a balancer for those simple peons who couldn't really use the Force and a game-changer for those smart enough to utilize them.  I used them in a fanfic one time, about an ancient Sith relic so imbued with the dark side that when Luke put a Ysalamiri in the same room to try to neutralize the damn thing, the Ysalamiri died.  Yes, I'm that cruel.
 
2014-01-12 03:25:56 AM  
as a general sci-fi fan that has never bothered to look into the star wars EU, I am more excited about these new movies than I was about I - III
 
2014-01-12 03:39:49 AM  

Confabulat: I am pretty happy with the moves Disney is making so far. They're doing their best to reset time to 1984, when we were just dreaming about a Star Wars VII. The only reason all this "extended universe" stuff exists is because we never got it, so people filled the niche as best they could.

But now Disney is giving us Star Wars VII. So all that crap isn't needed anymore. That's pretty cool to me.


This
 
2014-01-12 03:47:41 AM  

Digitalstrange: Jensaarai:

It's not like they're pulling a Trek where they're undoing TV shows/movies. And besides, the whole thing became a giant mess after all the retconning they had to pull to kinda-sorta make it fit with the prequels.

Actually that's what made the Trek method so great. All of the original series happened but the new stuff is an alternate timeline where things are going differently, they aren't undoing anything.


what they did to the enterprise is a travesty.  I understand the alternate timeline, and even needing to update the ships for new audiences, but they hit the enterprise with an ugly stick...
 
2014-01-12 04:13:26 AM  

SkorzenyNinja: The Voice of Doom: mikefinch
When they killed chew baca (fark autocorrect I'm not double typing everything on this farking ipad) I was kinda done.

I seem to be the only one who didn't give a fark when that grunting waste of story-telling space got left behind.

I don't think of him that badly. I agree with the rest though; his usefulness was only to support Han. That's it. He barely advanced the novels at all. He basically lived on the Millenium Falcon and existed to serve the Solo family. Now the character arc of Han Solo after Chewie's death was something I enjoyed. The depression, lack of purpose... then he teams up with that crazy gypsy alien Droma dude. Good stuff.


  It wasn't that I was bonkers for the wookie. It was that killing him off was gimmicky and an over the top play to elicit some sort of emotional reaction. It was cliche and an obvious attempt at "let's make this hard hitting and gritty but let's not kill off any real characters.
 
2014-01-12 06:16:09 AM  

mikefinch: SkorzenyNinja: The Voice of Doom: mikefinch
When they killed chew baca (fark autocorrect I'm not double typing everything on this farking ipad) I was kinda done.

I seem to be the only one who didn't give a fark when that grunting waste of story-telling space got left behind.

I don't think of him that badly. I agree with the rest though; his usefulness was only to support Han. That's it. He barely advanced the novels at all. He basically lived on the Millenium Falcon and existed to serve the Solo family. Now the character arc of Han Solo after Chewie's death was something I enjoyed. The depression, lack of purpose... then he teams up with that crazy gypsy alien Droma dude. Good stuff.

  It wasn't that I was bonkers for the wookie. It was that killing him off was gimmicky and an over the top play to elicit some sort of emotional reaction. It was cliche and an obvious attempt at "let's make this hard hitting and gritty but let's not kill off any real characters.


To be fair, the various competent authors repeatedly said it was time for Luke to go, but despite disavowing the EU, it's well known Lucas himself kept vetoing that. So we lose the wookiee and better Anakin instead, and everyone else knew Han and Leia were also off limits as a result. Pretty much derailed the EU from there on out, because the danger was removed.
 
2014-01-12 10:44:55 AM  
mikefinch
It wasn't that I was bonkers for the wookie. It was that killing him off was gimmicky and an over the top play to elicit some sort of emotional reaction. It was cliche and an obvious attempt at "let's make this hard hitting and gritty but let's not kill off any real characters.


Ah, I can see that.
I was mostly indifferent about him and didn't really understand why people where so upset about it.

I was just a little bit glad he was gone because while I liked the added sound effects in the audiobooks, the Wookie noises got old annoying very quickly because it was always the same couple of noises. That works for lightsabers and stuff, but not if you go full Lassie on the Wookie(s):
*ROARROARR* - "What did you say? Little Han is trapped down ventilator shaft 42/7-XRB with a twisted ankle, he wants us to bring two thermo couplings, reprogram the Falcon to play Tetris, slap Leia on her left butt cheek for him and also get him a double latte with a shot of booze from the Earthbucks at the corner of 37th and Main on the way? Got it!" ).
 
2014-01-12 12:32:52 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Kevin J. Anderson did wonderful things with the Dune universe, better than Herbert's son.


I could not disagree more with your assessment, other than the "better" part inasmuch as Brian Herbert deserves the majority of the blame for bringing Anderson in in the first place and gutting what was a good work to make crappy fanfiction sequels and prequels.

But again, I respect your right to your opinion. I just disagree. Very strongly. :p
 
2014-01-12 01:00:50 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Zombalupagus: Hollywood loves remakes and reboots.

Reboot the prequels.

That is all.

This time Shia LaBeouf will be Anakin Skywalker.


Just like him, repeating another actor's lines like that. He can't even pick GOOD lines to repeat.
 
2014-01-12 01:00:55 PM  

Leishu: But again, I respect your right to your opinion. I just disagree. Very strongly. :p


Hmm. I liked the House books better than anything after God Emperor (but not the sequels by Brian and Anderson; haven't read those). I don't think I finished the Butlerian Jihad because the story arc disturbed me so much, and I remember thinking that if Frank Herbert did a lot of cocaine, Brian must have been on PCP. Are the sequels as violent as he wrote the prequels?

I think I would feel better if I'd heard that Stackpole had taken on the series.
 
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