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(Ars Technica)   The Star Wars Expanded Universe is getting sucked into a black hole   (arstechnica.com) divider line 212
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2014-01-10 08:24:47 PM
Oh boy.
 
2014-01-10 08:38:52 PM
Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.

static1.wikia.nocookie.net

Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.
 
2014-01-10 09:10:36 PM

Nadie_AZ: Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


You're just mad Jar-Jar Binks is an incredible character that is beloved by all.
 
2014-01-10 09:15:45 PM

Mike_LowELL: Nadie_AZ: Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.

You're just mad Jar-Jar Binks is an incredible character that is beloved by all.


Jar Jar's death hit me pretty hard. 

I never really know how to sell the sarcasm.
 
2014-01-10 09:30:11 PM

Mike_LowELL: You're just mad Jar-Jar Binks is an incredible character that is beloved by all.


I'm still regreating not buying a case of these when I saw them at  K-mart ages ago.

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It's a candy tongue...yes...it is.  suck it.
 
2014-01-10 09:34:08 PM
Getting?  I think it's been that way for a long time..

I can't see what it matters that the EU is getting slashed... The movies have always been top tier, and anything Kasdan writes will overwrite anything else.  This is probably going to be ok... I hope.

It means my crappy KOTOR 2 fan fic is even further from being legitimate, I guess, but oh well.  We'll just drag out the Fanon category for the old EU stuff, I guess...

Don't judge. Fan fiction was the only way to redeem the storyline for kotor 2.
 
2014-01-10 09:53:37 PM
Does this mean no more Luke and Mara?
 
2014-01-10 10:16:04 PM

Nadie_AZ: Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


You need to play Knights of the Old Republic, stat.

/not the mmo
//the d20 based single player RPG
///it will rekindle your love of star wars
 
2014-01-10 10:30:23 PM

neuroflare: ///it will rekindle your love of star wars


ok, after reading the article nothing I hope THAT part of the EU is not wrecktified. You can't just write off the most powerful Jedi ever THAT easily, right?
 
2014-01-10 10:38:13 PM

neuroflare: neuroflare: ///it will rekindle your love of star wars

ok, after reading the article nothing I hope THAT part of the EU is not wrecktified. You can't just write off the most powerful Jedi ever THAT easily, right?


They might, they might not.  I think they're going to pick and choose the stuff that works with what they're doing.  The KOTOR canon is distant enough it doesn't really effect the movie timeline, so it might be spared.  Though I wouldn't mind if they'd wipe out crappy "Revan" novel Drew Karpashyn wrote... As a KOTOR 2 fan, that book still pisses me off just to think of it.
 
2014-01-10 11:54:27 PM
Just have someone from "A New Hope" go back in time before the prequels and reboot everything.  Maybe throw in a time traveling Sith pissed because Coruscant got eaten by a supernova or something.
 
2014-01-11 01:23:20 AM
As long as Kevin J. Anderson is sent down the memory hole, I'm ok with this.
 
2014-01-11 01:25:01 AM

Nadie_AZ: Really? Lucas didn't detonate the whole thing with his god awful prequels?

The 90s were amazing for Star Wars geeks. I was one of them. I loved the games, the videos, everything. EVERYTHING. Even had that star wars screen entertainment software on my computers.



Amazing time, with the anticipation of the upcoming movies in the latter part of the decade.

Then it came. God. Awful.

Now? All gone. I no longer care. And that sucks.


Yep. I was a die hard Star Wars fan until the prequels came out. Now I don't give a shiat. I'll probably go see the new ones because they should be fun space action movies, but I no longer care about the mythology or the story. Star Wars is kinda lame now.
 
2014-01-11 01:25:17 AM
static3.wikia.nocookie.net

As long as they keep Jaxxon, I'll be happy.
 
2014-01-11 01:28:54 AM
Good.  Thrawn alone makes me hate the EU, let alone his little force eating tree weasels.  The sooner they jettison that Zahn garbage, the better.
 
2014-01-11 01:29:00 AM
Relevant to my interests.
 
2014-01-11 01:32:30 AM

QT_3.14159: Don't judge. Fan fiction was the only way to redeem the storyline for kotor 2.


KotOR 2's story wasn't  bad, it was just really middle-of-the-road, boilerplate science fiction stuff.  Which was disappointing by contrast to the first game, sure, but the first game was pretty much the best RPG for five years in either direction (with the possible exception of Deus Ex.  And I guess shadow of the colossus if you'd call that an RPG).
 
2014-01-11 01:42:41 AM
I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.
 
2014-01-11 01:47:33 AM
Jesus, that was a horrible article. Seems the writer only knew two references / literary figures: Mary Sue and vomit inducing. He kept repeating it over and over. We get it, you hate the EU, shut up now.
 
2014-01-11 01:49:11 AM
This is good news even if it isn't about the Cygnus returning from hell under command of Maximillian to claim the Empire
 
2014-01-11 01:55:57 AM

Decados: Good.  Thrawn alone makes me hate the EU, let alone his little force eating tree weasels.  The sooner they jettison that Zahn garbage, the better.


Force eating tree weasels?

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2014-01-11 01:57:39 AM

Decados: Good.  Thrawn alone makes me hate the EU, let alone his little force eating tree weasels.  The sooner they jettison that Zahn garbage, the better.


8/10 need to talk up some of the gems you would want to keep like "Vaders hand" and the Ewok Cartoon
 
2014-01-11 02:00:15 AM
Good. The EU stuff, with rare exception, is garbage.

/Boba Fett died in the giant sand vagina. Get over it.
 
2014-01-11 02:01:06 AM
Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.
 
2014-01-11 02:03:03 AM

Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.


It'll, uh, still be there. Just officially non-canon, instead of "Non-canon but we'll tell you it's sorta-kinda canon if you squint to keep you nerds happy".
 
2014-01-11 02:10:57 AM
Flush twice as it circles the drain.

It was a good thing.  A great thing, even.  Certainly the first major cultural phenomenon I remember.

But it had its time.  It's time is gone.  Work on something new.  Reanimating the old never seems to pan out.
 
2014-01-11 02:18:03 AM
Meh. Corran Horn will always be top dawg in my universe.

/would have loved to see that character in a movie
 
2014-01-11 02:20:19 AM
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/Seriously, good riddance to bad rubbish.
//Can we get the prequels declared non-canon as well?
 
2014-01-11 02:20:49 AM
Star Wars sucks anyway.  No surprise the exanded universey sucks MORE.

This isn't a troll.  Star Trek is way better and I am completely serious.  I tried Empire again a year or two ago.  Fond memories, but it's like watching He-Man and the Masters of the Universe as an adult.  It's just really stupid and bad.

Cool weapons and junk though.

As a teenager I did enjoy reading Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina.  But I was 15 and what the hell does a 15 year old know?  Marijuana, Star Wars books and DOS gaming.  That's it!
 
2014-01-11 02:22:45 AM

LordJiro: Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.

It'll, uh, still be there. Just officially non-canon, instead of "Non-canon but we'll tell you it's sorta-kinda canon if you squint to keep you nerds happy".


I don't even know why he's mad.

Instead of whining that Disney will crap the entire EU, look at it this way: They WILL take some EU stuff and make it official canon, i.e.: George Lucas level canon. i.e.: The only canon that matters.

Don't think they're degrading the EU to non-canon, think they're upgrading certain EU things to full canon. Which is in your best interest if you're a fan of the EU because the EU was never considered full canon before.

Half-full glass, dude.
 
2014-01-11 02:24:14 AM
I love the Zahn books, and most of the X-Wing novels, plus 'I, Jedi'.  Some of the other authors were either forgettable, or over the top. (the Sun Crusher trilogy)  The Yuuzhan Vong stuff was rather dark and depressing, and I didn't finish those, or read any novels set after that.

If they ignore all of that completely in the new movies, I'll likely be too put off to watch them even once.
 
2014-01-11 02:24:23 AM
They should do an episode where Star Wars characters sign up for the Obama Healthcare program.
 
2014-01-11 02:24:33 AM

LordJiro: Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.

It'll, uh, still be there. Just officially non-canon, instead of "Non-canon but we'll tell you it's sorta-kinda canon if you squint to keep you nerds happy".


I'll still enjoy the old EU. I'm not washing my hands of it. I'm washing my hands of the new shiat. I put in my time with the old universe. I'm not going to keep up with a second universe just because they're too lazy/don't care enough to work with the continuity that every other piece of media in the past has had no goddamn problem adhering to.

I don't expect you to understand. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I get that a lot of people don't care about these kinds of things that much and don't blame them for it. But to me the Star Wars Universe in its entirety has been a big part of my life. I've bought every game. Every novel. Every comic. I'm not even a huge nerd. Star Wars was just my ONE thing I let myself get spergy about.

Disney is basically taking a giant steaming shiat on that just because asking their writers to pass their script outline by Leland Chee to check for continuity errors might violate their "vision" for the franchises future or whatever the fark.
 
2014-01-11 02:26:31 AM
Even the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy was fairly weak. It's entertaining, but the second books sucks pretty hard, and the ending was stupid. Still, it had the "feel" of "Star Wars". I read a couple of other EU books (including a couple by Zahn), and they were awful and didn't seem to be playing in the same world as the movies.

Plus (and I keep harping on this), the EU focused WAY too much on the Jedi. Jedi are boring. The first trilogy worked best when it it didn't focus on the stupid Jedi crap. The prequels sucked because they focused on NOTHING BUT the Jedi crap. "Star Wars" worked/works because of Han Solo. Hopefully Disney realizes this.
 
2014-01-11 02:30:49 AM

realmolo: Even the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy was fairly weak. It's entertaining, but the second books sucks pretty hard, and the ending was stupid. Still, it had the "feel" of "Star Wars". I read a couple of other EU books (including a couple by Zahn), and they were awful and didn't seem to be playing in the same world as the movies.

Plus (and I keep harping on this), the EU focused WAY too much on the Jedi. Jedi are boring. The first trilogy worked best when it it didn't focus on the stupid Jedi crap. The prequels sucked because they focused on NOTHING BUT the Jedi crap. "Star Wars" worked/works because of Han Solo. Hopefully Disney realizes this.


Considering they threw enough money at Harry Ford that he forgot about his integrity and is playing the part again, I'm sure they realize that.
 
2014-01-11 02:31:51 AM
Nothing good came from star wars since Dark Forces.

/flame on
 
2014-01-11 02:33:26 AM

realmolo: Even the "Heir to the Empire" trilogy was fairly weak. It's entertaining, but the second books sucks pretty hard, and the ending was stupid. Still, it had the "feel" of "Star Wars". I read a couple of other EU books (including a couple by Zahn), and they were awful and didn't seem to be playing in the same world as the movies.


So, basically, I am the person on the planet who enjoyed the books?
 
2014-01-11 02:35:58 AM

Esroc: LordJiro: Esroc: Welp, I'm out.

I devoted too much time and memory-space to the EU, for better or worse, to just happily go along with them venting it all out an airlock. I'm just gonna consider the novel Crucible to be the end of Star Wars.

This farked up move is just more proof that Hollywood doesn't give two shiats about us nerds who actually float their goddamn franchises.

/Yes, I am an angry nerd.

It'll, uh, still be there. Just officially non-canon, instead of "Non-canon but we'll tell you it's sorta-kinda canon if you squint to keep you nerds happy".

I'll still enjoy the old EU. I'm not washing my hands of it. I'm washing my hands of the new shiat. I put in my time with the old universe. I'm not going to keep up with a second universe just because they're too lazy/don't care enough to work with the continuity that every other piece of media in the past has had no goddamn problem adhering to.

I don't expect you to understand. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I get that a lot of people don't care about these kinds of things that much and don't blame them for it. But to me the Star Wars Universe in its entirety has been a big part of my life. I've bought every game. Every novel. Every comic. I'm not even a huge nerd. Star Wars was just my ONE thing I let myself get spergy about.

Disney is basically taking a giant steaming shiat on that just because asking their writers to pass their script outline by Leland Chee to check for continuity errors might violate their "vision" for the franchises future or whatever the fark.


No, they're doing it because large chunks of the EU sucks ass and isn't much more than glorified fan fiction. At least with Disney in charge there may at least be some attempt at quality control as to what gets published officially. It may not always be the best quality control, I mean look at some of Disney's direct to video stuff, but at least an attempt will be made.
 
2014-01-11 02:50:11 AM
I certainly enjoyed the EU growing up, hell my username is a reference to it, but Star Wars is a big franchise when you count the EU. When something gets that big, your choices are pretty much to just end it, or hit that reset button.

I think it's time to see what a new crop of writers can do with the thing. And since these projects tend to attract fanboys to work on them in the first place, there's a good chance we'll see some old favorites crop up again in a new form.

It's not like they're pulling a Trek where they're undoing TV shows/movies. And besides, the whole thing became a giant mess after all the retconning they had to pull to kinda-sorta make it fit with the prequels.
 
2014-01-11 02:54:44 AM
Okay, the more I think about it the more I think it might not be so bad depending on what they keep canon. I'll calm down at least until we get a list of what stays and what goes.

If they at least keep the broad strokes (Old Republic, Major Sith Lords and Jedi Masters, Thrawn, The Solo Kids, Yuuzhan Vong War,) I guess I can probably let the rest slide. Maybe.
 
2014-01-11 02:58:31 AM

RoyFokker'sGhost: I don't think the fan-favorites are going to be on the chopping block. Mara's too popular and can sell a lot of merchandise, and that's a big plus in Disney's book. Same with the KotOR era. I'd lay odds that everything after the Zahn novels will be axed. Everything set in the Old Republic era or in the 'Prequel' era will be kept too.


Mara Jade as a Disney princess.  You know it be true.

I have no problem axing huge swaths of the EU. They can be demoted to "what if" stories if they directly counter canon.  I'm curious to know what they are axing though.  I'm partial to KOTOR era, SWTOR era, and the Bane series, so I hope they are officially raised to canon.  One thing we can all agree on: axe the prequels from canon.  That will make lots of nerds happy.
 
2014-01-11 02:58:37 AM
I bought the 3 Zahn books for 25 cents a pop at some bookstore ages ago.  I actually made it through them, I think.  I just remember them being really boring.  For the life of me I never understood the appeal of the Mara Jade character, past her 90's chop-socky Daikatana-esque name that old dorks seem to jizz over.

I read synopsis of what came next, which is as far as I ever got with one.  That the movies guys are shoveling all that crap into the pit it belongs in and doing whatever they want is a very very good thing.
 
2014-01-11 03:04:54 AM

burning_bridge: I bought the 3 Zahn books for 25 cents a pop at some bookstore ages ago.  I actually made it through them, I think.  I just remember them being really boring.  For the life of me I never understood the appeal of the Mara Jade character, past her 90's chop-socky Daikatana-esque name that old dorks seem to jizz over.


Let's see.. a skilled smuggler who turns out to have been a force-sensitive field agent of the Emperor; she hates Skywalker passionately for ruining her life.  When she finally meets him face to face, he isn't like she imagined, and eventually figures out that some of that hatred was coming from the late Emperor from beyond the grave.  They part ways now and then, and eventually get married about a decade or so later.
 
2014-01-11 03:06:11 AM
That said, I just decided to RTFA, and wow. Ars Technica's "Senior Reviews Editor" is a really poor writer. Either that, or his emotions reeaalllly got the better of him here. I'd almost be willing to bet this guy has a half-finished fanfic or rejected manuscript in his possession.
 
2014-01-11 03:07:55 AM
What's the EU?  Fan Fiction?
 
2014-01-11 03:08:02 AM
Apparently, in the extended universe, the way to tell if someone's an evil clone is to see if they have a double vowel in their name.

This is what people are going to miss?
 
2014-01-11 03:09:26 AM
Chewy is back...
 
2014-01-11 03:10:44 AM
Everything set after the movies (maybe except for Thrawn) sucks. Most of the stuff set before the movies is ok. I'd guess the new movies will be set post-RTotJ, because that's what most people will expect.
 
2014-01-11 03:12:20 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Apparently, in the extended universe, the way to tell if someone's an evil clone is to see if they have a double vowel in their name.

This is what people are going to miss?


The double vowel was a literary device to help the reader differentiate between the prime character and their clone. You're not actually supposed to pronounce it.
 
2014-01-11 03:13:45 AM

The Martian Manhandler: [static3.wikia.nocookie.net image 290x406]

As long as they keep Jaxxon, I'll be happy.


Here I thought that was Bucky O'Hare.
 
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