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(Kansas City)   Not news: the University of Kansas is planning to build more student housing. Sports news: That will house 66 students, including both basketball teams. Fark: for a cost of $17.5 million, or $265,151.52 an occupant   (kansascity.com) divider line 46
    More: Asinine, student housing, Kansas, Allen Fieldhouse, Bill Self  
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2014-01-10 08:36:40 PM  
That's a lot of cabbage, but this quote from Self is very true.  "But housing, where our student-athletes reside now, is way, way, way, way behind what the competitors would be housing their student-athletes in, in a big way."  The Jayhawker Towers were just OK when I went to school there, but that was eons ago.  I know big time basketball schools mostly have super killer digs for their players, and why wouldn't a potential recruit want something like that?
 
2014-01-10 08:54:01 PM  
It's going to be nice, don't get me wrong. But a quarter-mil per apartment leaves a lot of room to build a moderately 'wowza' place (that will be falling apart in 10 years) and still put many millions in someone's pocket.  Bet it goes no-bid (since it's KU Athletic Corp, not the Regents), much like the rec center/Olympic sports facility on the edge of town, and that no-bid will go to one of the local good-ol-boys.  And, like that mess, Self can be a cheerleader.

Scuzzy, but probably typical level of corruption anywhere.
 
2014-01-10 08:58:38 PM  
They must be doing that a loss then. Since we can't afford to pay the players and all.
 
2014-01-10 09:05:42 PM  
If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.
 
2014-01-10 09:10:16 PM  
I hope they install mats at the bottom of the stairs to catch the KU football players.

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.


Do you know how much money KU basketball makes?  If the students have an issue with tuition, they need to take it up with Brownback and the state Supreme Court.
 
2014-01-10 09:20:54 PM  

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.


I don't know. If I were a player on those teams I'd be fuming that they are making money hand over fist off of me while I squat in some shiat brick dorm room.

Pay them or give them some nice digs.
 
2014-01-10 09:25:30 PM  

Mentat: I hope they install mats at the bottom of the stairs to catch the KU football players.

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

Do you know how much money KU basketball makes?  If the students have an issue with tuition, they need to take it up with Brownback and the state Supreme Court.


Fark that shiat. Colleges exist to teach people, not to be Goddamn entertainment factories.
 
2014-01-10 09:25:36 PM  
Well it's going to be used for more than just one year I think subs.
 
2014-01-10 09:32:44 PM  
I have many friends who used to make good money tutoring basketball and football players, paid for by the University.  At least the athletic fund was separate from the rest of the school, but still.  And yet there was *still* a mini-scandal that certain professors were letting them slide without a shred of work in certain classes.  Good times.

Marcellinus: robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

I don't know. If I were a player on those teams I'd be fuming that they are making money hand over fist off of me while I squat in some shiat brick dorm room.

Pay them or give them some nice digs.


Free education amirite.

/as long as you stay not injured!
 
2014-01-10 09:39:03 PM  
Sounds reasonable enough. $250k per room (and its share of amenities) isn't that bad.
 
2014-01-10 09:39:13 PM  

Foxxinnia: Well it's going to be used for more than just one year I think subs.


[quizzical dog]

You can buy quite nice 4-bedroom houses in Lawrence for $265k (which is considered very expensive for Kansas), which will also be used for more than just one year.
 
2014-01-10 09:40:19 PM  

Lawnchair: Foxxinnia: Well it's going to be used for more than just one year I think subs.

[quizzical dog]

You can buy quite nice 4-bedroom houses in Lawrence for $265k (which is considered very expensive for Kansas), which will also be used for more than just one year.


How much does your typical 66-room facility go for in Lawrence, KS?
 
2014-01-10 09:43:56 PM  
I actually emailed Mizzou's ResLife office today to find out what the new 331-bed Virginia Avenue South complex costs per student. I figured I'd get a handle on what the average per-student cost of a dorm was at a state research university with between 27-35,000 students.

Something tells me it's not the cost of a new split-level with three bedrooms and a two-car garage in a nice neighborhood with good schools in Kansas City, MO.
 
2014-01-10 09:58:02 PM  

Serious Black: Mentat: I hope they install mats at the bottom of the stairs to catch the KU football players.

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

Do you know how much money KU basketball makes?  If the students have an issue with tuition, they need to take it up with Brownback and the state Supreme Court.

Fark that shiat. Colleges exist to teach people, not to be Goddamn entertainment factories.


^^^^THIS, unless you want to start designating some schools as party/athletic schools, and other as academic schools.
 
2014-01-10 10:03:28 PM  
OH MY GOD, a quarter million dollars PER PLAYER! Because they'll tear it down at the end of every season and build anew, right? Jesus, people. There's a lot to be mad about when it comes to college athletics, but giving players better digs for the millions they bring into the University really isn't one of them.
 
2014-01-10 10:04:47 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: How much does your typical 66-room facility go for in Lawrence, KS?


Hard to say.  They're looking into building dorm space for 1750 (including demolishing an old asbestos-filled tower) for about $27k per bed about a quarter-mile away.
 
2014-01-10 10:07:30 PM  
Basketball school problems
 
2014-01-10 10:10:10 PM  

Lawnchair: HaywoodJablonski: How much does your typical 66-room facility go for in Lawrence, KS?

Hard to say.  They're looking into building dorm space for 1750 (including demolishing an old asbestos-filled tower) for about $27k per bed about a quarter-mile away.


Mea cupla... $68k per bed.  Makes the basketball palace seem a lot more reasonable.
 
2014-01-10 10:14:47 PM  
Do the KU dorms and frats still have odd "sleeping rooms" where the windows have to say open all year as a way to prevent some disease that became a non-issue in the 1940s?
 
2014-01-10 10:18:32 PM  

DON.MAC: Do the KU dorms and frats still have odd "sleeping rooms" where the windows have to say open all year as a way to prevent some disease that became a non-issue in the 1940s?


AFAIK two or three frats still have 'sleeping porches', and two of the womens' scholarship halls.  The windows don't stay open all year.
 
2014-01-10 10:19:54 PM  
The dorm I lived in for 9 months wouldn't have allowed a basketball player to lay down properly without their feet sticking out the window.
 
2014-01-10 10:23:03 PM  

Mentat: I hope they install mats at the bottom of the stairs to catch the KU football players.

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

Do you know how much money KU basketball makes?  If the students have an issue with tuition, they need to take it up with Brownback and the state Supreme Court.


an issue with tuition and an issue with the way tuition money is spent are different things.
 
2014-01-10 11:12:13 PM  
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Just for sharts & giggles...
 
2014-01-10 11:16:55 PM  

robbiex0r: Mentat: I hope they install mats at the bottom of the stairs to catch the KU football players.

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

Do you know how much money KU basketball makes?  If the students have an issue with tuition, they need to take it up with Brownback and the state Supreme Court.

an issue with tuition and an issue with the way tuition money is spent are different things.


KU basketball alone is more profitable than most athletic departments.  It one of the few AD's that can actually exist primarily on basketball money, which is good if you've ever seen their football team play.  Kansas' AD is close enough to being self-sufficient that I wouldn't expect non-athletes to lose much of anything on the deal.  As I said before, if students have an issue, they need to look towards Topeka because the state government is on the verge of farking Kansas post-secondary education hard.
 
2014-01-10 11:18:10 PM  

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.


At Kentucky, the athletic department is self-supporting.  No tuition goes towards it.
 
2014-01-10 11:19:01 PM  

js34603: They must be doing that a loss then. Since we can't afford to pay the players and all.


What are you talking about?  All the scholarship athletes get paid.  They get checks cut by the schools (well, it's the 21st century, so it's direct deposit).
 
2014-01-10 11:20:55 PM  

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.


Most do the opposite.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/92235/fgcu s- enrollment-did-exactly-what-youd-expect
 
2014-01-10 11:26:39 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Lawnchair: Foxxinnia: Well it's going to be used for more than just one year I think subs.

[quizzical dog]

You can buy quite nice 4-bedroom houses in Lawrence for $265k (which is considered very expensive for Kansas), which will also be used for more than just one year.

How much does your typical 66-room facility go for in Lawrence, KS?


Here's a 19-unit apartment complex in Lawrence, KS listed at $2.5 million.  Even if you only have two bedrooms per unit, that's 1/3 of the per-room price the university is spending to build their facility.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/16714409/1500-EAST-24TH-STREET-Lawren ce -KS/
 
2014-01-10 11:27:46 PM  

robbiex0r: Mentat: I hope they install mats at the bottom of the stairs to catch the KU football players.

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

Do you know how much money KU basketball makes?  If the students have an issue with tuition, they need to take it up with Brownback and the state Supreme Court.

an issue with tuition and an issue with the way tuition money is spent are different things.


Neither is relevant, though, to this discussion.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-01-10 11:38:42 PM  

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.


If you were a student at KU, you'd believe in Intelligent Design and not be able to write in complete sentences.

The high price tag is to provide indoor plumbing to in Lawrence for the first time. They have to spend it on basketball because they quit playing football.
 
2014-01-11 12:31:40 AM  
 
2014-01-11 12:38:03 AM  
you could just give the athletes the money directly...
 
2014-01-11 12:59:54 AM  

A Fark Handle: you could just give the athletes the money directly...


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2014-01-11 01:18:12 AM  

Solid State Vittles: That's a lot of cabbage, but this quote from Self is very true.  "But housing, where our student-athletes reside now, is way, way, way, way behind what the competitors would be housing their student-athletes in, in a big way."  The Jayhawker Towers were just OK when I went to school there, but that was eons ago.  I know big time basketball schools mostly have super killer digs for their players, and why wouldn't a potential recruit want something like that?


The cost per student is on pay witg a 3 bedroom house on a lot with a garage. Fark that. These are STUDENTS, just like all of the others, they can share a dorm room or pay more for nicer housing, but each pay shouldn't cost as much as a multi bedroom house.

And Fark "recruiting chances", these kids aren't supposed to be getting kickbacks anyway, a scholarship is about it. Fine, they need a new dorm of some kind, but this is bullshiat money, and this is what the rules are supposed to be preventing. I don't know any college student who NEEDS quarter of a million dollar pad. No wonder we end up with these Prima Don't pro a there's, nobody EVER showed them what living actually was.

Let the basketball team live in a dorm as nice as the regular students.
 
2014-01-11 02:30:13 AM  

jbc: robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

If you were a student at KU, you'd believe in Intelligent Design and not be able to write in complete sentences.

The high price tag is to provide indoor plumbing to in Lawrence for the first time. They have to spend it on basketball because they quit playing football.


Do you know how hard it's been for me to defend KU in this thread?  I had to punch myself in the nuts before posting that last comment.
 
2014-01-11 02:48:30 AM  

Mentat: robbiex0r: Mentat: I hope they install mats at the bottom of the stairs to catch the KU football players.

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

Do you know how much money KU basketball makes?  If the students have an issue with tuition, they need to take it up with Brownback and the state Supreme Court.

an issue with tuition and an issue with the way tuition money is spent are different things.

KU basketball alone is more profitable than most athletic departments.  It one of the few AD's that can actually exist primarily on basketball money, which is good if you've ever seen their football team play.  Kansas' AD is close enough to being self-sufficient that I wouldn't expect non-athletes to lose much of anything on the deal.  As I said before, if students have an issue, they need to look towards Topeka because the state government is on the verge of farking Kansas post-secondary education hard.


Uhh, no it isn't.

Basketball doesn't pay for shiat, football is king.  That's why the Big 10 and SEC didn't come knocking on KU's door because they're effing terrible at everything else.
 
2014-01-11 03:17:45 AM  

Mentat: jbc: robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

If you were a student at KU, you'd believe in Intelligent Design and not be able to write in complete sentences.

The high price tag is to provide indoor plumbing to in Lawrence for the first time. They have to spend it on basketball because they quit playing football.

Do you know how hard it's been for me to defend KU in this thread?  I had to punch myself in the nuts before posting that last comment.


I'd have to castrate myself before defending Fizzou.
 
2014-01-11 05:10:11 AM  

jbc: robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

If you were a student at KU, you'd believe in Intelligent Design and not be able to write in complete sentences.

The high price tag is to provide indoor plumbing to in Lawrence for the first time. They have to spend it on basketball because they quit playing football.


Location: Moberly, Missouri.

Oh, goody. You people finally got electricity. This should be fun.
 
2014-01-11 08:14:29 AM  

A Fark Handle: you could just give the athletes the money directly...


Title IX is a can of worms that they can't open.  It would be extremely feasible to allow players to accept endorsement offers just like those "amateur" athletes in the Olympics.
 
2014-01-11 09:09:54 AM  
The cost reflects the extra height needed in hallways and doors.
 
2014-01-11 09:10:04 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: jbc: robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

If you were a student at KU, you'd believe in Intelligent Design and not be able to write in complete sentences.

The high price tag is to provide indoor plumbing to in Lawrence for the first time. They have to spend it on basketball because they quit playing football.

Location: Moberly, Missouri.

Oh, goody. You people finally got electricity. This should be fun.


After having watched this game:  http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=312600059I can't really argue against him.  Across the 32 games against FBS teams since that game, KU has won 2.
 
2014-01-11 09:43:25 AM  

Mentat: Do you know how hard it's been for me to defend KU in this thread?  I had to punch myself in the nuts before posting that last comment.


I recognized your struggle, mate.  And congrats on the bowl game!
 
2014-01-11 09:46:01 AM  
Wouldn't simply banning all college sports be one hell of a lot cheaper in the long run?
 
2014-01-11 11:35:20 AM  

UNC_Samurai: A Fark Handle: you could just give the athletes the money directly...

Title IX is a can of worms that they can't open.  It would be extremely feasible to allow players to accept endorsement offers just like those "amateur" athletes in the Olympics.


that's actually the model i favor.  other students are allowed to accept outside money for their special talents (music students playing local gigs, consulting work by comp sci, etc all of which is allowed even when on scholarship).  and bonus for the school is the bloated sports admin and coaches can keep all the tv dollars to themselves...win-win.
 
2014-01-11 12:47:29 PM  

theurge14: Mentat: robbiex0r: Mentat: I hope they install mats at the bottom of the stairs to catch the KU football players.

robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

Do you know how much money KU basketball makes?  If the students have an issue with tuition, they need to take it up with Brownback and the state Supreme Court.

an issue with tuition and an issue with the way tuition money is spent are different things.

KU basketball alone is more profitable than most athletic departments.  It one of the few AD's that can actually exist primarily on basketball money, which is good if you've ever seen their football team play.  Kansas' AD is close enough to being self-sufficient that I wouldn't expect non-athletes to lose much of anything on the deal.  As I said before, if students have an issue, they need to look towards Topeka because the state government is on the verge of farking Kansas post-secondary education hard.

Uhh, no it isn't.

Basketball doesn't pay for shiat, football is king.  That's why the Big 10 and SEC didn't come knocking on KU's door because they're effing terrible at everything else.


That's from 3 years ago.  Since then, the Big XII has a new media contract paying them $20 million a year and KU also got huge one-time payouts from Missouri and A&M for leaving the conference.
 
2014-01-11 01:44:25 PM  

flak attack: Incorrigible Astronaut: jbc: robbiex0r: If I were a non-athletic student at KU, paying tuition and board, I'd be fuming.

If you were a student at KU, you'd believe in Intelligent Design and not be able to write in complete sentences.

The high price tag is to provide indoor plumbing to in Lawrence for the first time. They have to spend it on basketball because they quit playing football.

Location: Moberly, Missouri.

Oh, goody. You people finally got electricity. This should be fun.

After having watched this game:  http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=312600059,  I can't really argue against him.  Across the 32 games against FBS teams since that game, KU has won 2.


We have a football team?
 
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