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(Wall Street Cheat Sheet)   Ford Motors on Wednesday: "We have GPS in your car, so we know what you're doing." Friday: "We do not track our customers"   (wallstcheatsheet.com) divider line 122
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2014-01-10 02:46:35 PM
The Detroit News reports that customers give consent when they use a navigation or voice-activated system.

I have never seen that in the owner's manual on a Ford...
 
2014-01-10 04:37:09 PM
Oh please subby.  They said they don't track people.  That could possibly be because they redefined the word "track" to not mean whatever they're doing, but still.
 
2014-01-10 04:56:35 PM
Just about any modern car can be tracked. It's not only Fords.
 
2014-01-10 05:12:19 PM

ricewater_stool: Just about any modern car can be tracked. It's not only Fords.


I don't have a modern car (I drive a 2001 model year). How do cars upload data? Do they all have some kind of built-in cellular connection?
 
2014-01-10 05:15:30 PM
You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?
 
2014-01-10 05:39:18 PM
"We are not tracking you, we are just tracking your car"
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2014-01-10 06:05:34 PM

mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't aren't going to be tracked?


FTFY.
 
2014-01-10 06:06:19 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: ricewater_stool: Just about any modern car can be tracked. It's not only Fords.

I don't have a modern car (I drive a 2001 model year). How do cars upload data? Do they all have some kind of built-in cellular connection?


"Just about any modern car" being one with a built-in navigation or phone system. So, yes, they do.
 
2014-01-10 06:14:53 PM

Memoryalpha: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't aren't going to be tracked?

FTFY.


You have a phone with GPS installed. Why would you think that you are not going to be tracked?
 
2014-01-10 06:26:15 PM

mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?


Because GPS is a passive system, and does not radiate anything.

Why would you think you *could* be tracked.
 
2014-01-10 06:28:55 PM

Rent Party: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?

Because GPS is a passive system, and does not radiate anything.

Why would you think you *could* be tracked.


I guess it's safe to assume Ford has been giving the data to the NSA?
 
2014-01-10 06:30:45 PM

Memoryalpha: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't aren't going to be tracked?

FTFY.


Stupidity?  Willful ignorance? Being naive as a child?
 
2014-01-10 06:35:15 PM

Rent Party: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?

Because GPS is a passive system, and does not radiate anything.


LOL
 
2014-01-10 06:35:53 PM
Hello, this is Onstar. We see that your door is ajar and you are driving at 90mph. Have you been Car-jacked? Oh while I am here, its about time you changed your oil and top up the air in tire left-rear.

/If your car doesn't have a hidden cell-radio under the seat or in the back inside quarter for 'enhancements', they could always put a wifi radio and connect to unsecured wifi hotspots when available.
//LA coppers have GPS units they hide on cars with large battery pack or even tie into the wire harness at night or in the corrupt police-friendly auto repair shop.
 
2014-01-10 06:39:33 PM

mcreadyblue: Rent Party: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?

Because GPS is a passive system, and does not radiate anything.

Why would you think you *could* be tracked.

I guess it's safe to assume Ford has been giving the data to the NSA?


Yeah.  Prolly via all those spy satellites they have.  I think they share them with Mopar.
 
2014-01-10 07:13:57 PM

Mugato: Rent Party: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?

Because GPS is a passive system, and does not radiate anything.

LOL


Seconded.
 
2014-01-10 07:15:23 PM

Nick Nostril: Mugato: Rent Party: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?

Because GPS is a passive system, and does not radiate anything.

LOL

Seconded.


Either of you guys care to tell us how a GPS unit is going to transmit anything?

Because people that know how GPS works would be curious.
 
2014-01-10 07:17:28 PM

mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?


GPS is inherently a passive technology, and simply having a receiver isn't enough to let someone track you. So if a car has one, one wouldn't automatically assume that it means they're trackable, any more than owning a Garmin or TomTom unit would.
 
2014-01-10 07:18:38 PM

Rent Party: Nick Nostril: Mugato: Rent Party: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?

Because GPS is a passive system, and does not radiate anything.

LOL

Seconded.

Either of you guys care to tell us how a GPS unit is going to transmit anything?

Because people that know how GPS works would be curious.


They're saying a GPS unit WOULDN"T transmit. Hence the word 'passive'.
 
2014-01-10 07:19:29 PM

jjorsett: Rent Party: Nick Nostril: Mugato: Rent Party: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?

Because GPS is a passive system, and does not radiate anything.

LOL

Seconded.

Either of you guys care to tell us how a GPS unit is going to transmit anything?

Because people that know how GPS works would be curious.

They're saying a GPS unit WOULDN"T transmit. Hence the word 'passive'.


No, *I* said it's passive.

They said lolz.

So I'd like them to explain how that might be.
 
2014-01-10 07:45:37 PM
Does Ford have anything like GM's OnStar? I've wondered is GM tracks cars with that.

/I realize that the car's position is transmitted when the OnStar button is pressed, but is that the ONLY time it transmits?
 
2014-01-10 07:46:56 PM
If you think a Global Positioning System built into your vehicle cannot track you, you may missing something.
 
2014-01-10 07:47:47 PM
Probably difficult to track my Ford. It's a 1998 Ranger. Even the windows aren't the electric kind.
 
2014-01-10 07:49:04 PM
just like I left out the "be!"

anyway, yes it's tracking you, don't be stupid.

The guy at Ford must have been drinking.

/in vino veritas
 
2014-01-10 07:56:26 PM
Does it matter?  You're carrying a cell phone, you're being tracked.  Unless you carry it in a lead container.
 
2014-01-10 07:57:47 PM

walktoanarcade: just like I left out the "be!"

anyway, yes it's tracking you, don't be stupid.

The guy at Ford must have been drinking.

/in vino veritas


I'll ask again: how?
 
2014-01-10 07:58:23 PM

walktoanarcade: If you think a Global Positioning System built into your vehicle cannot track you, you may missing something.


If you think it can, you may be missing something.  Like an idea about how a Global Positioning System works.
 
2014-01-10 07:58:40 PM

mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?


Add that to the cell phones people carry, which not only tracks them and gives all their call & location data to the NSA but can also be turned on remotely without the red light glowing and used to spy on and record your in-person conversations. And the webcams & microphones on laptops and netbooks can also be run remotely without you knowing it, and might also provide location data. And the police-owned and privately-owned surveillance cameras all over the place.And the RFID data on your ID cards & passports. And the electronic data collected while you grocery shop, use the library, buy gas... "Big Brother" most likely knows or can know who you are, where you are, and what you do at every moment of your life. But don't worry, it's only used to help you. You know, for your own good. Really. Just ask them.

If I weren't such a thoroughly boring person it'd be too easy to get all paranoid again. Luckily Farking around here is the most interesting thing I ever do.
 
2014-01-10 07:58:45 PM
I too am curious how a GPS tracks you. Do you all think having a radio means you are tracked too?
 
2014-01-10 07:59:52 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Does it matter?  You're carrying a cell phone, you're being tracked.  Unless you carry it in a lead container.


Okay, Apple and AT&T track me. But Ford?
 
2014-01-10 08:03:33 PM

The One True TheDavid: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?

Add that to the cell phones people carry, which not only tracks them and gives all their call & location data to the NSA but can also be turned on remotely without the red light glowing and used to spy on and record your in-person conversations. And the webcams & microphones on laptops and netbooks can also be run remotely without you knowing it, and might also provide location data. And the police-owned and privately-owned surveillance cameras all over the place.And the RFID data on your ID cards & passports. And the electronic data collected while you grocery shop, use the library, buy gas... "Big Brother" most likely knows or can know who you are, where you are, and what you do at every moment of your life. But don't worry, it's only used to help you. You know, for your own good. Really. Just ask them.

If I weren't such a thoroughly boring person it'd be too easy to get all paranoid again. Luckily Farking around here is the most interesting thing I ever do.


Honestly I worry less about big brother and more about big business. Look what a mess the credit reporting industry is. I don't really like private companies aggregating data on me and selling it. I wonder how long until employers etc start buying background checks with your web search history, what sites you visit, what stores you visit, what you buy etc.
 
2014-01-10 08:04:22 PM
It was my impression that GPS passively stores data that can be actively tracked, sorta like a debit card can be scanned. All they'd need is the relevant electronics. And what about geocaching? If GPS couldn't give out information wouldn't geocaching be impossible?

I'll read up on it though. But there better not be whole lot of math.
 
2014-01-10 08:04:52 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Does it matter?  You're carrying a cell phone, you're being tracked.  Unless you carry it in a lead container.

Okay, Apple and AT&T track me. But Ford?


Some of the newer "connected" dashboards have cell service integrated into them, I believe. That's how you can get Pandora, etc.
 
2014-01-10 08:09:15 PM

NickelP: I wonder how long until employers etc start buying background checks with your web search history, what sites you visit, what stores you visit, what you buy etc.


Haven't they for years already? You know they Google you and look up your Facebook.
 
2014-01-10 08:13:51 PM

The One True TheDavid: NickelP: I wonder how long until employers etc start buying background checks with your web search history, what sites you visit, what stores you visit, what you buy etc.

Haven't they for years already? You know they Google you and look up your Facebook.


Those are more limited to things you make public. I am talking more a profile base on all the stuff a thousand different companies keep on you that is not publicly available.
 
2014-01-10 08:29:00 PM
Track my Boss 302,while I take it to the track, bro.
 
2014-01-10 08:36:13 PM

sheep snorter: Hello, this is Onstar. We see that your door is ajar and you are driving at 90mph. Have you been Car-jacked? Oh while I am here, its about time you changed your oil and top up the air in tire left-rear.

/If your car doesn't have a hidden cell-radio under the seat or in the back inside quarter for 'enhancements', they could always put a wifi radio and connect to unsecured wifi hotspots when available.
//LA coppers have GPS units they hide on cars with large battery pack or even tie into the wire harness at night or in the corrupt police-friendly auto repair shop.


That name's a farking nightmare, buddy.  I'm just gonna call you Jerry.
 
2014-01-10 08:39:23 PM

stilted: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Does it matter?  You're carrying a cell phone, you're being tracked.  Unless you carry it in a lead container.

Okay, Apple and AT&T track me. But Ford?

Some of the newer "connected" dashboards have cell service integrated into them, I believe. That's how you can get Pandora, etc.


Or they connect to your phone to get the data stream.
 
2014-01-10 08:40:12 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: sheep snorter: Hello, this is Onstar. We see that your door is ajar and you are driving at 90mph. Have you been Car-jacked? Oh while I am here, its about time you changed your oil and top up the air in tire left-rear.

/If your car doesn't have a hidden cell-radio under the seat or in the back inside quarter for 'enhancements', they could always put a wifi radio and connect to unsecured wifi hotspots when available.
//LA coppers have GPS units they hide on cars with large battery pack or even tie into the wire harness at night or in the corrupt police-friendly auto repair shop.

That name's a farking nightmare, buddy.  I'm just gonna call you Jerry Gregory.


FTFM.
 
2014-01-10 08:52:58 PM

Rent Party: walktoanarcade: If you think a Global Positioning System built into your vehicle cannot track you, you may missing something.

If you think it can, you may be missing something.  Like an idea about how a Global Positioning System works.


Oh I do, that's why this is comedy gold. For some reason you seem to have no clue..because you're trolling.

Come on, guys. Do better than that.  If for some reason you guys aren't trolling, please, by all means use a search engine.    Are you kidding?

I'm being extremely patient and nice here. This is absurd.
 
2014-01-10 08:57:50 PM
http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/category/gps+tracking.do

There, some of the descriptions are telling. You could check wiki, though anyone can edit that, although I doubt any tampering would last long.

The Ford guy let the truth slip.


/get over it
 
2014-01-10 09:07:22 PM

walktoanarcade: Rent Party: walktoanarcade: If you think a Global Positioning System built into your vehicle cannot track you, you may missing something.

If you think it can, you may be missing something.  Like an idea about how a Global Positioning System works.

Oh I do, that's why this is comedy gold. For some reason you seem to have no clue..because you're trolling.

Come on, guys. Do better than that.  If for some reason you guys aren't trolling, please, by all means use a search engine.    Are you kidding?

I'm being extremely patient and nice here. This is absurd.


I Remember when Apple and Google said they weren't Tracking where their phones were going....
 
2014-01-10 09:12:34 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: walktoanarcade: Rent Party: walktoanarcade: If you think a Global Positioning System built into your vehicle cannot track you, you may missing something.

If you think it can, you may be missing something.  Like an idea about how a Global Positioning System works.

Oh I do, that's why this is comedy gold. For some reason you seem to have no clue..because you're trolling.

Come on, guys. Do better than that.  If for some reason you guys aren't trolling, please, by all means use a search engine.    Are you kidding?

I'm being extremely patient and nice here. This is absurd.

I Remember when Apple and Google said they weren't Tracking where their phones were going....


Exactly.

The whole "how does GPS track you" question  instantly pisses me off. I think it's because it insults not only my intelligence, but the intelligence of anyone reading.  Like points going down time.

Why doesn't someone ask me how cable companies know what someone is watching(if they have a box) while you're at it?

Fire it hot, btw.
 
2014-01-10 09:15:11 PM
damnit.(IS hot)...oh well, I deserve to look stupid so long as I'm being cranky.
 
2014-01-10 09:18:46 PM

Rent Party: jjorsett: Rent Party: Nick Nostril: Mugato: Rent Party: mediablitz: You have a car with GPS installed. Why would you think you can't be tracked?

Because GPS is a passive system, and does not radiate anything.

LOL

Seconded.

Either of you guys care to tell us how a GPS unit is going to transmit anything?

Because people that know how GPS works would be curious.

They're saying a GPS unit WOULDN"T transmit. Hence the word 'passive'.

No, *I* said it's passive.

They said lolz.

So I'd like them to explain how that might be.


So you're saying you can't track anything with GPS. That's your claim? Really?

I was a sonar tech. PASSIVE sonar. I tracked Russian subs for a living in the 80's. GPS certainly is a "passive" system. You just don't seem to understand the word.
 
2014-01-10 09:20:06 PM

Rent Party: walktoanarcade: If you think a Global Positioning System built into your vehicle cannot track you, you may missing something.

If you think it can, you may be missing something.  Like an idea about how a Global Positioning System works.


So Global Positioning is used to KNOW YOUR POSITION, but there is no way to KNOW YOUR POSITION.

Wow...
 
2014-01-10 09:22:03 PM

walktoanarcade: Rent Party: walktoanarcade: If you think a Global Positioning System built into your vehicle cannot track you, you may missing something.

If you think it can, you may be missing something.  Like an idea about how a Global Positioning System works.

Oh I do, that's why this is comedy gold. For some reason you seem to have no clue..because you're trolling.

Come on, guys. Do better than that.  If for some reason you guys aren't trolling, please, by all means use a search engine.    Are you kidding?

I'm being extremely patient and nice here. This is absurd.


goddamnitall. I hate trolls. I thought this guy was just ignorant.
 
2014-01-10 09:34:25 PM
And as of now Ford is going to get a metric crapload of police inquiries just in case they might have happen to have useful information for uncounted criminal and traffic investigations.
 
2014-01-10 09:35:52 PM

mediablitz: So Global Positioning is used to KNOW YOUR POSITION, but there is no way to KNOW YOUR POSITION.


The GPS receiver in the car knows your position, but it would take another system to communicate that back to Ford. GPS as a technology does not inherently let people know where you are unless it's coupled with a radio transmitter to send the data back to someone. Ford doesn't have it's own network of towers so effectively the theory would be they're paying a cell provider to allow the data on their network so they can be routinely updated. I doubt that's the case because the cell provider would want to be paid for that, but maybe it's worth enough to Ford to do that. An electronics engineer could find that transmitter pretty easily.
 
2014-01-10 09:38:48 PM

NickelP: I too am curious how a GPS tracks you. Do you all think having a radio means you are tracked too?


You don't really believe that it's not broadcasting a location so the satellites can know which three so be used to identify your location do you?  Be a cynic, assume the companies and government are out to know everything about you.  Companies want that information so they can rip you off.  The government wants that information so they can enslave you.  Regardless of party, they want control of everything
 
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