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(Fairbanks Daily Newsminer)   Take your best shot at answering why this town has been without internet for all of 2014... or take several shots with a .410 shotgun   (newsminer.com) divider line 117
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2014-01-10 07:41:21 PM  
Sounds like the stop light near Atlanta at Johnson's Ferry near the Cobb/Fulton county line where Fulton County changed the timing to screw with Cobb commuters so one of them emptied a 44 magnum into it.

They put the timing back the way it was to begin with.  So I guess it worked.
 
2014-01-10 07:43:10 PM  
so... they had a glass fiber cable... out in the open...
 
2014-01-10 07:43:12 PM  

ElLoco: change1211: That's okay, it's just some more responsible gun owners exercising their right to do whatever they want to do with guns.

People in the US don't have a right to do 'whatever they want' with guns. Why do people keep repeating this ignorant crap?


Because people in the US keep doing 'whatever they want' with guns?
 
2014-01-10 07:44:17 PM  

Radak: Looking at their prices I wonder if it was on purpose.



Looking at their website makes me want to do that to the server hosting it.
 
2014-01-10 07:46:22 PM  

sno man: ElLoco: change1211: That's okay, it's just some more responsible gun owners exercising their right to do whatever they want to do with guns.

People in the US don't have a right to do 'whatever they want' with guns. Why do people keep repeating this ignorant crap?

Because people in the US keep doing 'whatever they want' with guns?


Because you can't get away with eliminating guns if you stick to the facts?
 
2014-01-10 07:48:06 PM  

flak attack: Radak: Looking at their prices I wonder if it was on purpose.

I guess it's pretty expensive to get infrastructure into the middle of nowhere.

Yikes.  Looking at that site makes me feel like I'm back in 1994.


You think that's bad?  Look at what Verizon charges for 3G/4G data.  50 gigs is $375/month.
 
2014-01-10 07:48:16 PM  
See now, if the cable had a gun, this wouldn't have happened,.
 
2014-01-10 07:53:56 PM  

jjorsett: sno man: ElLoco: change1211: That's okay, it's just some more responsible gun owners exercising their right to do whatever they want to do with guns.

People in the US don't have a right to do 'whatever they want' with guns. Why do people keep repeating this ignorant crap?

Because people in the US keep doing 'whatever they want' with guns?

Because you can't get away with eliminating guns if you stick to the facts?


?
Not having the right to do "whatever they want" isn't slowing down quite a few of your citizens from going full dumbass. The as yet unknown guy in this story is one of them.  You are the only one to mention eliminating anything, what are you talking about?
 
2014-01-10 07:58:42 PM  
a couple of things:

Comments on TFA seem to indicate fairly remote and probably fairly indigenous population.  Do you know who else cut telecommunications wires?

Also, I guess I live in the second world.  Lots of fiber optic cable is run above ground here. Up hills and even on flat stretches.  Those heavy assed bundles of cable do look like fairly vulnerable infrastructure.

I wish more stuff was run underground here, but I guess that is part of living in a long established part of an older city?
 
2014-01-10 08:02:45 PM  
.420 is a better shotgun.
 
2014-01-10 08:02:50 PM  

ongbok: SirEattonHogg: Wow, 10 days without internet? I'd be getting the sweats and shakes.

What are they using to beat off to?


The Highschool Girls Basketball team has been getting record attendance at their games.
 
2014-01-10 08:03:40 PM  
Frankly I'm surprised the .410 damaged the cable.
 
2014-01-10 08:04:24 PM  

2wolves: $10k for a splice.

Noh, still too Farkin' cold.


No shiat. Those line workers are probably like "You want us to go where??? To do what??? When??? Are you farking *NUTS*??? It's ALASKA!!! IN JANUARY!!! OUTDOORS!!!!!! You can't pay us enough to do that sort of shiat!!!"
 
2014-01-10 08:06:04 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Sounds like the stop light near Atlanta at Johnson's Ferry near the Cobb/Fulton county line where Fulton County changed the timing to screw with Cobb commuters so one of them emptied a 44 magnum into it.

They put the timing back the way it was to begin with.  So I guess it worked.


I remember that.

Now, thirty years later, they FINALLY got a new bridge and the damn road widened.
 
2014-01-10 08:06:09 PM  

redmid17: Frankly I'm surprised the .410 damaged the cable.


It did take the guy 6 shots.
 
2014-01-10 08:06:56 PM  

Johnny Bananapeel: Crovan: Tanana is pretty remote, even by Alaska standards. Infrastructure does get pretty expensive up here. The state is actually sponsoring a design contest for sewer and water systems for remote villages on the west coast.

A "design contest" is a cheap shiatty way to keep from having to pay a creative professional to make your cheap shiatty music festival's marketing materials.

A "design contest" to plan vital community infrastructure? Instead of hiring, you know, Engineers? What have we come to?


Desperation. The state's looked at a few things, but a lot of western villages still use honey buckets. And yes, that is what they call them.
 
2014-01-10 08:11:10 PM  
So, what is Innuit for "Hold my beer"?
 
2014-01-10 08:11:57 PM  

berylman: Not sure why but I was under the impression that fiber optic cables were buried or otherwise safe from tampering. Guess not.


I'd imagine the sloppy and dynamic nature of the tundra makes it impossible to ground lay the cable.

/just a hunch, not a fiber optologist
 
2014-01-10 08:18:08 PM  

berylman: Not sure why but I was under the impression that fiber optic cables were buried or otherwise safe from tampering. Guess not.


Permafrost makes it extremely difficultto bury anything out in the bush.
 
2014-01-10 08:19:10 PM  
The first blow in the master plan to cut Alaska off from all contact with the outside world, devised by one cunning moose and his army of small game animals?
 
2014-01-10 08:21:53 PM  

Oztemprom: a couple of things:

Comments on TFA seem to indicate fairly remote and probably fairly indigenous population.  Do you know who else cut telecommunications wires?

Also, I guess I live in the second world.  Lots of fiber optic cable is run above ground here. Up hills and even on flat stretches.  Those heavy assed bundles of cable do look like fairly vulnerable infrastructure.

I wish more stuff was run underground here, but I guess that is part of living in a long established part of an older city?


Most rural areas use aerial wiring as well; electricity, cable, telephone, fiber, whatever.. Usually all on the same poles, too. A utility pole every ~100 feet is (supposedly) between 5x and 10x cheaper than burying the lines (at a cost of up to $1 million dollars a mile).  Then there's the expense of having to dig it up again when it breaks (roots, groundshifting, etc.)

And of course in Tanana, there's the problem of the ground being frozen solid for 7 to 8 months of the year. :)
 
2014-01-10 08:22:16 PM  

MassAsster: It's a New Year's tradition to shoot off guns at midnight in the village

Yeah, this apparently is the case in a lot of the U.S.A.

/Wasn't aware of this my first year in the south...
//Really a very distinct sound firework vs gunshot
///What goes up must come down..


Unless you shoot down...or shoot blanks.
 
2014-01-10 08:29:30 PM  

rkelley25: .420 is a better shotgun.


agrees.
img.tfd.com
 
2014-01-10 08:31:18 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Sounds like the stop light near Atlanta at Johnson's Ferry near the Cobb/Fulton county line where Fulton County changed the timing to screw with Cobb commuters so one of them emptied a 44 magnum into it.

They put the timing back the way it was to begin with.  So I guess it worked.


HA! I didn't hear about that one!
 
2014-01-10 08:32:59 PM  

thisisarepeat: Its .410 bore. It isn't the diameter of a lead sphere that 410 of which would weigh one pound.

Dumbass reporter is a dumbass.

with the shotgun is a dickhead AND a dumbass...

I work for a network here in PA, we have our own 48 strands of fiber. We hung the fiber in 2011-2012.

It's been shot up 7 or 8 times already.

Most gun owners are decent people. But give certain of them a few drinks and cut em loose they become some of the most dangerous damaging people in the whole damn nation.

Seriously, if you 2nd amendment uber alles types can't farking police yourselves, you're just asking to have the government step in and do the job for you.
Assholes need to farking grow the fark up.
 
2014-01-10 08:34:18 PM  

ficklefkrfark: berylman: Not sure why but I was under the impression that fiber optic cables were buried or otherwise safe from tampering. Guess not.

I'd imagine the sloppy and dynamic nature of the tundra makes it impossible to ground lay the cable.

/just a hunch, not a fiber optologist


Fiber is run both aerial and underground in most cities. Hanging it on existing pole is much easier and cheaper than trying to bury it all. Just ask Google, that is how they deploy for the most part.

What bothers me is the fact that he claims the splicing will take two or three days. I work for a cable company in the NOC. We had a fiber cut on a 264 count fiber sheath New Years day at 12:15 in the morning. My techs had that OTDRed by 12:45, located by 0130, and all lit fibers spliced to new cable by 7:15am that day. I wonder how many fibers they have running to that village, maybe a 24 count sheath...should take them 3 hours if they are slow.

/NOC overnights = bullet holes in fiber & coax, and drunk drivers running over nodes, power supplies, amplifiers, and taps all night.
//Any other Ops personnel out here in fark?
///A little lightning
A fiber-seeking back-hoe
There goes my weekend

////Slashies!
 
2014-01-10 08:39:04 PM  

sir_jamesd: ficklefkrfark: berylman: Not sure why but I was under the impression that fiber optic cables were buried or otherwise safe from tampering. Guess not.

I'd imagine the sloppy and dynamic nature of the tundra makes it impossible to ground lay the cable.

/just a hunch, not a fiber optologist

Fiber is run both aerial and underground in most cities. Hanging it on existing pole is much easier and cheaper than trying to bury it all. Just ask Google, that is how they deploy for the most part.

What bothers me is the fact that he claims the splicing will take two or three days. I work for a cable company in the NOC. We had a fiber cut on a 264 count fiber sheath New Years day at 12:15 in the morning. My techs had that OTDRed by 12:45, located by 0130, and all lit fibers spliced to new cable by 7:15am that day. I wonder how many fibers they have running to that village, maybe a 24 count sheath...should take them 3 hours if they are slow.

/NOC overnights = bullet holes in fiber & coax, and drunk drivers running over nodes, power supplies, amplifiers, and taps all night.
//Any other Ops personnel out here in fark?
///A little lightning
A fiber-seeking back-hoe
There goes my weekend

////Slashies!


They probably don't have any slack left....I'm willing to bet this ain't the first time freaking drunken rednecks shot up the fiber....

Seriously, I can't express how maddening this is because it happens A LOT...
 
2014-01-10 08:42:24 PM  

devildog123: Radak: Looking at their prices I wonder if it was on purpose.

I guess it's pretty expensive to get infrastructure into the middle of nowhere.

Tanana makes the middle of nowhere look pretty close actually.  I flew in there quite a few times.  Their power is all from a couple of big generators that get their diesel floated up the river in the summer, and in the winter, it is insanely isolated.  No roads to any other towns or villages, the only real way in or out is by plane.  The guy who owns the cable company is probably waiting on a part from Anchorage, which means it has to go into Fairbanks first, then get out to the town.  And if the weather has been shiatty, well, none of the little bush planes are going to be bringing it in.  Internet and cable are insanely expensive out there because of that.


It's perfect for this guy though.

i500.listal.com
 
2014-01-10 08:43:10 PM  

TinyFist: Sh*t, I'll do it. 10 grand won't get you a great fusion splicer but it'll definitely get you one to do the job with some cash left over. I could knock that out in an hour.



Yep. Easy money. Hell, I'm sure there is some type of outdoor mechanical splice they could use. Might be too much loss. And they never said how many strands it was.

/haven't spliced in years
//easy money
 
2014-01-10 08:45:52 PM  
 
2014-01-10 08:48:49 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: rkelley25: .420 is a better shotgun.

agrees.
[img.tfd.com image 400x210]


Damn. Beat me to it. Though mine contains the full reference.
 
2014-01-10 08:51:07 PM  

Talondel: Their mayor pissed off Chris Christie?


Their mayor pissed off Sarah Palin, fixed that for ya...
 
2014-01-10 08:54:25 PM  

germ78: rkelley25: .420 is a better shotgun.

What a .420 shotgun might look like.


That's what the picture was from.

And they're wasting so much smoke!  That 60s 'nam weed was weak enough without letting it fly away.
 
2014-01-10 09:00:54 PM  

jtown: germ78: rkelley25: .420 is a better shotgun.

What a .420 shotgun might look like.

That's what the picture was from.

And they're wasting so much smoke!  That 60s 'nam weed was weak enough without letting it fly away.


When you have an almost unlimited, super cheap supply, who cares?
 
2014-01-10 09:05:52 PM  

sir_jamesd: ficklefkrfark: berylman: Not sure why but I was under the impression that fiber optic cables were buried or otherwise safe from tampering. Guess not.

I'd imagine the sloppy and dynamic nature of the tundra makes it impossible to ground lay the cable.

/just a hunch, not a fiber optologist

Fiber is run both aerial and underground in most cities. Hanging it on existing pole is much easier and cheaper than trying to bury it all. Just ask Google, that is how they deploy for the most part.

What bothers me is the fact that he claims the splicing will take two or three days. I work for a cable company in the NOC. We had a fiber cut on a 264 count fiber sheath New Years day at 12:15 in the morning. My techs had that OTDRed by 12:45, located by 0130, and all lit fibers spliced to new cable by 7:15am that day. I wonder how many fibers they have running to that village, maybe a 24 count sheath...should take them 3 hours if they are slow.

/NOC overnights = bullet holes in fiber & coax, and drunk drivers running over nodes, power supplies, amplifiers, and taps all night.
//Any other Ops personnel out here in fark?
///A little lightning
A fiber-seeking back-hoe
There goes my weekend

////Slashies!


This is Alaska, in the middle of winter, .It's cold, and dangerous there. Who knows if that run is along a road or through some moose path or whatever.The guy probably has to fly
there, with all of the stuff to do the job, and then try to work on this, probably on a ladder or with pole climbing spikes. I doubt that there is a bucket truck there. Working in heavy clothes and taking
breaks to warm up and such adds a lot of time.
 
2014-01-10 09:20:05 PM  
p.twimg.com
 
2014-01-10 09:23:38 PM  

ClavellBCMI: No shiat. Those line workers are probably like "You want us to go where??? To do what??? When??? Are you farking *NUTS*??? It's ALASKA!!! IN JANUARY!!! OUTDOORS!!!!!! You can't pay us enough to do that sort of shiat!!!"


Naw. Us tradesmen are a hungry bunch. In any group there's at least one guy who will do anything for enough cash. You can pay people to do some crazy shiat for the right price.

/I'd do the first one.
//No way in hell for the second one.
 
2014-01-10 09:27:02 PM  
I wonder if the officers could catch up to the 20th century and try the idea of finger prints on the cartridges.  Or are they going to stick to Sherlock Holmes era police work?

We've had some of this stupidity here in Flint, but that is no surprise.  Some street lights and transformers were shot.
 
2014-01-10 09:39:27 PM  
Funny thing is I thought it was because they had AT&T...
 
2014-01-10 09:48:53 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Naw. Us tradesmen are a hungry bunch. In any group there's at least one guy who will do anything for enough cash. You can pay people to do some crazy shiat for the right price./I'd do the first one.//No way in hell for the second one.


Nothing to it.

i306.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-10 09:52:46 PM  
"You can't fix stupid," is how Ralph Eller, owner of Yukon Telephone and Supervisions Cable TV, summed up the incident.

Yes, but you can fix the cable.

This, on the other hand, I believe is the appropriate sentiment:

lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-01-10 09:55:11 PM  
"She stepped into the alley with a single shot .410
The road goes on forever and the party never ends."
cdn2.armslist.com
My Daddy's first gun. My first gun. After careful consideration, it goes to my firstborn daughter.
 
2014-01-10 09:57:41 PM  

groppet: First time I had the chance to use a .410 was my brothers "Judge". I love shooting that thing, looks like a gun used in the old looney toons.


Did you fire the 45 LC too?
 
2014-01-10 10:22:49 PM  
A hundred posts or so and I am the Weeners this?

static2.wikia.nocookie.net

You guys are slacking.....
 
2014-01-10 10:24:17 PM  

leadmetal: A hundred posts or so and I am the Weeners this?



Should be first   to    post   this...
 
2014-01-10 10:24:47 PM  

lack of warmth: I wonder if the officers could catch up to the 20th century and try the idea of finger prints on the cartridges.  Or are they going to stick to Sherlock Holmes era police work?

We've had some of this stupidity here in Flint, but that is no surprise.  Some street lights and transformers were shot.


Odds on, the officers are related to whoever did this.  Most of you don't seem to realize how small and isolated these little villages are.  The cops aren't looking that hard because most likely the person who did it is a brother, uncle, or cousin.  These villages make West Virginia hollers look genetically diverse.  At least you can drive away in W. Virginia.  As for the cost to fix stuff?  Yeah, take whatever number you think of and at least triple it.  A bag of flour will cost you 6-10 dollars in those villages, depending on the cast of 100LL and how the weather is.  If planes can't get out to them, it gets really expensive out there.  Remember, whatever gets there has to be flown out.
 
2014-01-10 10:27:35 PM  

lack of warmth: I wonder if the officers could catch up to the 20th century and try the idea of finger prints on the cartridges.  Or are they going to stick to Sherlock Holmes era police work?


Fingerprint examination is useful only if the shooter's fingerprints are on file.


We've had some of this stupidity here in Flint, but that is no surprise.  Some street lights and transformers were shot.

Hopefully, no Autobots were severely injured.
 
2014-01-10 10:41:58 PM  
Dimensio: lack of warmth: I wonder if the officers could catch up to the 20th century and try the idea of finger prints on the cartridges.  Or are they going to stick to Sherlock Holmes era police work?

Fingerprint examination is useful only if the shooter's fingerprints are on file.


I know that.  However, someone likely to make this bad decision may have a history of other bad decisions.

We've had some of this stupidity here in Flint, but that is no surprise.  Some street lights and transformers were shot.

Hopefully, no Autobots were severely injured.


Sadly, Powerglide was hit while flying overhead.  I think he made it though.  It's what he gets for picking the A-10 Warthog for his disguise.  Shockwave was also hit, which, that's good.
 
2014-01-10 10:50:47 PM  
"They could have walked 70 feet in either direction and they would not be anywhere near it," he said.

Uhhhh, no. When bullets come down, they come down with so much g-force it's the same f=ma as if shot directly. That's why people have died new year's eves in the past in Oakland from bullets randomly fired up in the air.
 
2014-01-10 10:57:07 PM  

groppet: First time I had the chance to use a .410 was my brothers "Judge". I love shooting that thing, looks like a gun used in the old looney toons.


This made me laugh so f'ing hard.
 
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