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(Independent)   There's stupid. There's Peter. There's creationists. And then there's this woman, who sued her lawyer for negligence because he didn't tell her that getting a divorce would mean the end of her marriage   (independent.co.uk) divider line 113
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2014-01-10 04:35:33 PM  
Wait until she sues the court for not telling her that suing them would result in them laughing at her, hammering down a gavel and handing her more court costs.
 
2014-01-10 05:06:19 PM  
So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!
 
2014-01-10 05:26:08 PM  

gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!


At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...
 
2014-01-10 05:27:13 PM  
Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.
 
2014-01-10 05:28:25 PM  
If it makes her feel better, the RCC doesn't recognize divorces.
 
2014-01-10 05:29:28 PM  
Oh wow that's good stuff - happy to see the headline didn't exaggerate or twist.  An amazing woman.

(Still not sure what "Peter" means, but I'll assume it's a freaking Family Guy reference.)
 
2014-01-10 05:30:51 PM  

Far Cough: Oh wow that's good stuff - happy to see the headline didn't exaggerate or twist.  An amazing woman.

(Still not sure what "Peter" means, but I'll assume it's a freaking Family Guy reference.)


It is.
 
2014-01-10 05:31:03 PM  

Lawnchair: Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.


Was there also a clause that required them to be dead before cremation?
 
2014-01-10 05:31:10 PM  
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2014-01-10 05:32:47 PM  
Ceiling pontiff?
 
2014-01-10 05:33:22 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...


Nice.
 
2014-01-10 05:33:36 PM  
Not only does Diet Divorce feel a lot like regular divorce, but it will reduce your sintake.
I recommend Diet Divorce as it has 0 sins per proceeding, and zero, is less than some.
Remember, the salvation general warns that too many sins may result in fate pain, also know as eternity burning in hell.
 
2014-01-10 05:34:17 PM  

Far Cough: Oh wow that's good stuff - happy to see the headline didn't exaggerate or twist.  An amazing woman.

(Still not sure what "Peter" means, but I'll assume it's a freaking Family Guy reference.)


I hope so. I don't watch that show, so I figured that Peter was the disciple (since subby also had to knock creationists).
 
2014-01-10 05:36:52 PM  
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2014-01-10 05:39:39 PM  

gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.



Now I have a vision of God looking through mountains of paper work that was faxed up to Him from this world and he has to review it.
 
2014-01-10 05:43:09 PM  

Lawnchair: Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.


Kent Brockman: Springfield has come down with a fever . . . Football fever. If you have the fever, there's only one cure. Take two tickets and see the game Sunday morning.
TV Voiceover: ** Warning, tickets should not be taken internally **.
Homer: (to Maggie): See? Because of me, now they have a warning.
 
2014-01-10 05:47:29 PM  
can the court order her life terminated on the grounds that she is too stupid to breath?
 
2014-01-10 05:48:23 PM  
... be* terminated...

I don't want to get caught up in that myself now!
 
2014-01-10 05:49:38 PM  

Maul555: ... be* terminated...

I don't want to get caught up in that myself now!


And sadly that, there, was your real mistake.  It was fine the way it was (except for the initial cap problem).
 
2014-01-10 05:50:20 PM  
"The most striking of Mrs Mulcahy's many allegations of negligence against her solicitors was that, having regard to her Roman Catholic faith, Mrs Boots had failed to give her the advice which was requisite in view of her firmly held belief in the sanctity of marriage...

"I'm not divorced! I'm just not living with my husband anymore and we don't love each other and we never talk and we're both seeing other people."

Uh...just how dumb do you think God is?
 
2014-01-10 05:51:21 PM  
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'
 
2014-01-10 05:52:25 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...


veedeevadeevoodee just showed us a wonderful example of the comment being in sync with the fark handle.
 
2014-01-10 05:52:28 PM  
Filthy adulteress.
 
2014-01-10 05:53:25 PM  
(I was answering Vlad, more or less.)
 
2014-01-10 05:54:06 PM  
Subby too pc to use retarded, is retarded himself.
 
2014-01-10 05:56:30 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "The most striking of Mrs Mulcahy's many allegations of negligence against her solicitors was that, having regard to her Roman Catholic faith, Mrs Boots had failed to give her the advice which was requisite in view of her firmly held belief in the sanctity of marriage...

"I'm not divorced! I'm just not living with my husband anymore and we don't love each other and we never talk and we're both seeing other people."

Uh...just how dumb do you think God is?


It's been my observation that god is about as dumb (or smart) as the person invoking him/her/it.
 
2014-01-10 05:58:09 PM  

Lawnchair: Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.



I thought cremation was the process of covering dead people in cream, perhaps with a nice chocolate coating.
 
2014-01-10 05:58:46 PM  
She should be put to sleep.
 
2014-01-10 05:58:54 PM  
Came for "the stupid...it burns" pic, left disappointed.
 
2014-01-10 06:00:29 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Lando Lincoln: "The most striking of Mrs Mulcahy's many allegations of negligence against her solicitors was that, having regard to her Roman Catholic faith, Mrs Boots had failed to give her the advice which was requisite in view of her firmly held belief in the sanctity of marriage...

"I'm not divorced! I'm just not living with my husband anymore and we don't love each other and we never talk and we're both seeing other people."

Uh...just how dumb do you think God is?

It's been my observation that god is about as dumb (or smart) as the person invoking him/her/it.


God is an absentee landlord, or he is playing a game of Calvinball.
 
2014-01-10 06:01:09 PM  

Far Cough: Maul555: ... be* terminated...

I don't want to get caught up in that myself now!

And sadly that, there, was your real mistake.  It was fine the way it was (except for the initial cap problem).


And for misspelling a one-syllable word in the process of calling someone stupid.
 
2014-01-10 06:01:27 PM  

VladTheEmailer: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'


From the RCC perspective, she is not divorced. Ending a marriage requires an annulment, where both parties have to admit they were too stupid, immature or naive to get married in the first place. That's why the RCC has the whole pre Cana training lessons before you get married, to weed out the stupid,etc.
 
2014-01-10 06:02:58 PM  
Bastardy bastard probably didn't inform her that water is wet, either.  Bastard.
 
2014-01-10 06:04:19 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: VladTheEmailer: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'

There is only one authorized exception to allow divorce... in the case of infidelity... you still can't remarry though unless you are a Widow/Widower.... "What God has made let no man tear apart" or something to that effect.


That's why I did it old school and became a widower before I re-married.
 
2014-01-10 06:05:27 PM  

simplicimus: VladTheEmailer: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'

From the RCC perspective, she is not divorced.


Which, incidentally, is why the Church of England exists.
 
2014-01-10 06:05:54 PM  

Hoopy Frood: Far Cough: Maul555: ... be* terminated...

I don't want to get caught up in that myself now!

And sadly that, there, was your real mistake.  It was fine the way it was (except for the initial cap problem).

And for misspelling a one-syllable word in the process of calling someone stupid.


Ah, good catch, thanks.  I'm a little too used to giving slack to forum posts.

simplicimus: Ending a marriage requires an annulment, where both parties have to admit they were too stupid, immature or naive to get married in the first place.


Boom.  Her problems are self-evidently solved!
 
2014-01-10 06:07:23 PM  

gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.


Ah... the Orthodox Judaism wing.  "No, I didn't turn on the oven.. the magic of Sabbath mode did".
 
2014-01-10 06:07:44 PM  
Sigh.  I don't want to have to defend the seemingly crazy lady, but there is one possible point in her favor.

FTA:  "The lawyers failed to regard her Roman Catholic faith and should have recommended judicial separation - a step down from full divorce - as an alternative course of action, she said."

If there was an available legal option, and her attorneys failed to mention it to her, that IS pretty much text book malpractice, at least here in the States.  You don't expect your clients to know the law, that's why they came to you in the first place.

youhadonejob.jpg

Risky, of course, trying to interpret a legal case as reported by reporters.  And I assume the review process over there would take that into account.

Just saying, she may not be COMPLETELY out to lunch.
 
2014-01-10 06:08:23 PM  
The allegation was revealed in a subsequent appeal court judgment last month, in which Lord Justice Briggs said: "The most striking of Mrs Mulcahy's many allegations of negligence against her solicitors was that, having regard to her Roman Catholic faith, Mrs Boots had failed to give her the advice which was requisite in view of her firmly held belief in the sanctity of marriage...

Is she stupid, or just ignorant? Also, way to demonstrate the "sanctity of marriage" by getting a separation, if she had.
 
2014-01-10 06:10:13 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Lando Lincoln: "The most striking of Mrs Mulcahy's many allegations of negligence against her solicitors was that, having regard to her Roman Catholic faith, Mrs Boots had failed to give her the advice which was requisite in view of her firmly held belief in the sanctity of marriage...

"I'm not divorced! I'm just not living with my husband anymore and we don't love each other and we never talk and we're both seeing other people."

Uh...just how dumb do you think God is?

It's been my observation that god is about as dumb (or smart) as the person invoking him/her/it.


That's pretty astute. We do indeed create God in our own image.
 
2014-01-10 06:11:44 PM  

PunGent: Sigh.  I don't want to have to defend the seemingly crazy lady, but there is one possible point in her favor.

FTA:  "The lawyers failed to regard her Roman Catholic faith and should have recommended judicial separation - a step down from full divorce - as an alternative course of action, she said."

If there was an available legal option, and her attorneys failed to mention it to her, that IS pretty much text book malpractice, at least here in the States.  You don't expect your clients to know the law, that's why they came to you in the first place.

youhadonejob.jpg

Risky, of course, trying to interpret a legal case as reported by reporters.  And I assume the review process over there would take that into account.

Just saying, she may not be COMPLETELY out to lunch.


Okay, I had to look it up, but apparently "judicial separation" in the UK is little different from plain old "legal separation" in the US.  So she's STILL an idiot if she didn't know she could get a legal separation instead of a divorce.  Her religious posturing is her own business and her own responsibility.
 
2014-01-10 06:17:12 PM  
Apparently she has been divorced from reality without her consent as well; she should amend her complaint.
 
2014-01-10 06:20:23 PM  

iron de havilland: simplicimus: VladTheEmailer: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'

From the RCC perspective, she is not divorced.

Which, incidentally, is why the Church of England exists.


As anyone that accidentally picked up a little history from watching The Tudors for the tits can attest.
 
2014-01-10 06:21:32 PM  
Far Cough: Ceiling pontiff?

I dunno - I would have labeled that 'Grumpy Pope'.

(Yes, I know that's not the Pope.  But 'Grumpy Pope' scans better than 'Grumpy Cardinal'.  Or is that really the Pope?  I've been at work all week, and the only pictures of Francis I can recall usually show him smiling.)
 
2014-01-10 06:21:43 PM  

Far Cough: PunGent: Sigh.  I don't want to have to defend the seemingly crazy lady, but there is one possible point in her favor.

FTA:  "The lawyers failed to regard her Roman Catholic faith and should have recommended judicial separation - a step down from full divorce - as an alternative course of action, she said."

If there was an available legal option, and her attorneys failed to mention it to her, that IS pretty much text book malpractice, at least here in the States.  You don't expect your clients to know the law, that's why they came to you in the first place.

youhadonejob.jpg

Risky, of course, trying to interpret a legal case as reported by reporters.  And I assume the review process over there would take that into account.

Just saying, she may not be COMPLETELY out to lunch.

Okay, I had to look it up, but apparently "judicial separation" in the UK is little different from plain old "legal separation" in the US.  So she's STILL an idiot if she didn't know she could get a legal separation instead of a divorce.  Her religious posturing is her own business and her own responsibility.


I agree on the religious angle.  And although I'm a U.S. lawyer, I've never hired a British lawyer.  Do they expect their clients to know the law when they walk in the door?

The judicial separation thing just seems like a step (a small step, I grant you) above being completely clueless about what a divorce is, which is what the headline implied.

/yeah, yeah, welcometofark.jpg
 
2014-01-10 06:22:21 PM  
Far Cough: Ceiling pontiff?

Benedict was definitely Basement Pope.
 
2014-01-10 06:25:27 PM  
I wish I could have sued the first lawyer I ever had for not telling me that no matter how brief her work on my case was, I would always be 1/10th of an hour minimum, even if I called just to get a case update. I'm sure she worked my retainer for all it was worth, and made a big deal in the end that she was not going to bill me the $50 or so my retainer did not cover.
 
2014-01-10 06:25:35 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...


It's a well-known loophole.
 
2014-01-10 06:27:45 PM  

ciberido: veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...

It's a well-known loophole.


Oh, yeah, uh, that link is pretty NSFW.  Sorry.

/Very nsfw, actually
 
2014-01-10 06:28:15 PM  
PunGent:

Okay, I had to look it up, but apparently "judicial separation" in the UK is little different from plain old "legal separation" in the US.  So she's STILL an idiot if she didn't know she could get a legal separation instead of a divorce.  Her religious posturing is her own business and her own responsibility.

I agree on the religious angle.  And although I'm a U.S. lawyer, I've never hired a British lawyer.  Do they expect their clients to know the law when they walk in the door?


 I just meant she's an idiot if she never heard of separation.  It's not obscure.
 
2014-01-10 06:30:12 PM  

Lawnchair: Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.


Thats awesome.

Uh...not that you had to cremate your parents...
 
2014-01-10 06:30:26 PM  

BlackPete: Lawnchair: Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.

Was there also a clause that required them to be dead before cremation?


It's a bit of a shock if they're not quite dead, but quick.
 
2014-01-10 06:37:27 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: VladTheEmailer: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'

There is only one authorized exception to allow divorce... in the case of infidelity... you still can't remarry though unless you are a Widow/Widower.... "What God has made let no man tear apart" or something to that effect.


Not true at.  Apparently God also looks quite kindly upon generous monetary gifts to the church as a valid reason to allow one flesh to separate into the two previous persons.  At least that what broke it all loose for my dad to his annulment from my mom through.

//what a fickle guy God is.  100 years ago, I'd be a bastard and damned to hell through no fault of my own.  The 60s roll around and suddenly God is all, ah no problem, you're cool.  I've always wondered if he does stuff retroactively.  So like all the kids he sent to hell for the past few thousand years, do they get called up once his mind changes.  Or do those poor souls just get the eternity shaft?
 
2014-01-10 06:40:10 PM  

Far Cough: PunGent:

Okay, I had to look it up, but apparently "judicial separation" in the UK is little different from plain old "legal separation" in the US.  So she's STILL an idiot if she didn't know she could get a legal separation instead of a divorce.  Her religious posturing is her own business and her own responsibility.

I agree on the religious angle.  And although I'm a U.S. lawyer, I've never hired a British lawyer.  Do they expect their clients to know the law when they walk in the door?

 I just meant she's an idiot if she never heard of separation.  It's not obscure.


Heh.  I had a client, years ago, successful, college-educated, who as it turned out, did not know what "contingent" meant.

(Not that my fee was contingent, it was a simple flat-rate matter.)

He literally did not know the word, but the dumbass nodded his head when I explained that the thing he wanted to have happen was 'contingent' on what he told me being accurate.

What he told me wasn't, in fact, accurate.  I salvaged his case for him, and got several grey hairs in the process.

I'm really careful now about what I assume people know when they come to me for legal advice.
 
2014-01-10 06:43:51 PM  
Haha!
 
2014-01-10 06:49:35 PM  

Lawnchair: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

Ah... the Orthodox Judaism wing.  "No, I didn't turn on the oven.. the magic of Sabbath mode did".


Every religion has this.  I've got an example involving Buddhists I like to share:

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I was in Pokhara, Nepal for a week or two and had a "free" day with nothing to do.  There's a Buddhist monastery  overlooking the lake, and I thought it would be nice to hike up to themonastery and look around.  As I was  wandering around the grounds I came across a group of monks slaughtering a goat.  The had the maroon robes, shaved heads, and all that, plus some rather large khukuris.

"Hey," I said, "You're Buddhist monks!  Isn't eating meat forbidden to monks?"

"It's ok," they told me, "because we're not going to eat the meat ourselves.  The bad karma won't attach to us  because we're not really the ones responsible for their deaths."

A few months later I was in Kathmandu and decided to visit Boudhanath.  When I (an obvious foreigner) started  speaking to the monks in Nepali, they invited me to eat lunch with them.  I sat in a large circle with theothers while some of the monks, acting as servants, brought out plates of food.  To my great surprise, there was
curried goat meat on everyone's plate.

"Hey," I said, "You're Buddhist monks!  Isn't eating meat forbidden to monks?"

"It's ok," they told me, "because we didn't kill the goat."
 
2014-01-10 06:49:41 PM  

VladTheEmailer: iron de havilland: simplicimus: VladTheEmailer: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'

From the RCC perspective, she is not divorced.

Which, incidentally, is why the Church of England exists.

As anyone that accidentally picked up a little history from watching The Tudors for the tits can attest.


Natalie Dorner. Mmm.
 
2014-01-10 06:53:19 PM  
Sigh. The bride wore teal...
 
2014-01-10 06:55:28 PM  

wingnut396: HindiDiscoMonster: VladTheEmailer: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'

There is only one authorized exception to allow divorce... in the case of infidelity... you still can't remarry though unless you are a Widow/Widower.... "What God has made let no man tear apart" or something to that effect.

Not true at.  Apparently God also looks quite kindly upon generous monetary gifts to the church as a valid reason to allow one flesh to separate into the two previous persons.  At least that what broke it all loose for my dad to his annulment from my mom through.

//what a fickle guy God is.  100 years ago, I'd be a bastard and damned to hell through no fault of my own.  The 60s roll around and suddenly God is all, ah no problem, you're cool.  I've always wondered if he does stuff retroactively.  So like all the kids he sent to hell for the past few thousand years, do they get called up once his mind changes.  Or do those poor souls just get the eternity shaft?


That's actually a serious question in theology and the short answer is: God knew ahead of time that he would "change His mind," so while he technically sent those people to Hell, He sent them to the "nice" part of Hell and made arrangements for them to be released later.  Only, since He knew ahead of time that the rules would change, it really wasn't a case of Him changing His mind.

And no, I'm not making this up.  Look up "virtuous pagan" and "Bosom of Abraham."
 
2014-01-10 06:56:18 PM  

ciberido: Lawnchair: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

Ah... the Orthodox Judaism wing.  "No, I didn't turn on the oven.. the magic of Sabbath mode did".

Every religion has this.  I've got an example involving Buddhists I like to share:

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I was in Pokhara, Nepal for a week or two and had a "free" day with nothing to do.  There's a Buddhist monastery  overlooking the lake, and I thought it would be nice to hike up to themonastery and look around.  As I was  wandering around the grounds I came across a group of monks slaughtering a goat.  The had the maroon robes, shaved heads, and all that, plus some rather large khukuris.

"Hey," I said, "You're Buddhist monks!  Isn't eating meat forbidden to monks?"

"It's ok," they told me, "because we're not going to eat the meat ourselves.  The bad karma won't attach to us  because we're not really the ones responsible for their deaths."

A few months later I was in Kathmandu and decided to visit Boudhanath.  When I (an obvious foreigner) started  speaking to the monks in Nepali, they invited me to eat lunch with them.  I sat in a large circle with theothers while some of the monks, acting as servants, brought out plates of food.  To my great surprise, there was
curried goat meat on everyone's plate.

"Hey," I said, "You're Buddhist monks!  Isn't eating meat forbidden to monks?"

"It's ok," they told me, "because we didn't kill the goat."


Is that for real?  it sounds like setup / joke / punchline.

I was surprised to discover that Hindu/Jains don't eat onions and garlic "as they are believed to have a quality of darkness, lethargy and a putrid smell" (WP) , but then most go ahead and slather everything in Asafetida / Hing, which has nearly the same flavor and is NAMED for its putrid smell!
 
2014-01-10 06:59:57 PM  

Far Cough: ciberido: Lawnchair: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

Ah... the Orthodox Judaism wing.  "No, I didn't turn on the oven.. the magic of Sabbath mode did".

Every religion has this.  I've got an example involving Buddhists I like to share:

[css]

I was in Pokhara, Nepal for a week or two and had a "free" day with nothing to do.  There's a Buddhist monastery  overlooking the lake, and I thought it would be nice to hike up to themonastery and look around.  As I was  wandering around the grounds I came across a group of monks slaughtering a goat.  The had the maroon robes, shaved heads, and all that, plus some rather large khukuris.

"Hey," I said, "You're Buddhist monks!  Isn't eating meat forbidden to monks?"

"It's ok," they told me, "because we're not going to eat the meat ourselves.  The bad karma won't attach to us  because we're not really the ones responsible for their deaths."

A few months later I was in Kathmandu and decided to visit Boudhanath.  When I (an obvious foreigner) started  speaking to the monks in Nepali, they invited me to eat lunch with them.  I sat in a large circle with theothers while some of the monks, acting as servants, brought out plates of food.  To my great surprise, there was
curried goat meat on everyone's plate.

"Hey," I said, "You're Buddhist monks!  Isn't eating meat forbidden to monks?"

"It's ok," they told me, "because we didn't kill the goat."

Is that for real?  it sounds like setup / joke / punchline.


Yes, this actually happened.  Late 1995 or early 1996.
 
2014-01-10 07:03:53 PM  
The way I read the second to last paragraph, it sounds like the divorce proceedings were a bluff to try to get a lesser "clean break" settlement that does not technically violate her religious beliefs. In which case she is suing her lawyers for not telling her her bluff might be called. Still monumentally stupid, but not quite as brain dead stupid as the headline suggests.
 
2014-01-10 07:21:58 PM  
simplicimus:That's why the RCC has the whole pre Cana training lessons before you get married, to weed out the stupid,etc.

Doesn't always work

/I hold myself up as an example
 
2014-01-10 07:22:03 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Lando Lincoln: "The most striking of Mrs Mulcahy's many allegations of negligence against her solicitors was that, having regard to her Roman Catholic faith, Mrs Boots had failed to give her the advice which was requisite in view of her firmly held belief in the sanctity of marriage...

"I'm not divorced! I'm just not living with my husband anymore and we don't love each other and we never talk and we're both seeing other people."

Uh...just how dumb do you think God is?

It's been my observation that god is about as dumb (or smart) as the person invoking him/her/it.


Just from observing fark comment threads today alone, I've learned that god will give Jennifer Hudson an award but let kids starve in third world countries.
 
2014-01-10 07:22:50 PM  

VladTheEmailer: Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'


Isn't that similar to how orthodox Jewish men and fundamentalist Muslim men divorce their wives?  Do Hasidim say it three times and Islamists say it 10 times or something to comply with god's will?  And didn't one Muslim guy recently divorce by texting it instead of saying it, resulting in a kerfuffle over god's desire to read and bless text messages?
 
2014-01-10 07:25:29 PM  
Far Cough:

 I just meant she's an idiot if she never heard of separation.  It's not obscure.


Well for the rest of us maybe, but her...she hasn't even figured out her brain separated from her some time ago.
 
2014-01-10 07:32:18 PM  

Boo_Guy: [static1.wikia.nocookie.net image 717x541]


Ahhh, thanks, don't know why I didn't get the reference.  Thought subby was a really bad at trolling.
 
2014-01-10 07:39:36 PM  
I'm envious of the British court system.  In this country, the case would be dragged out for a while, ringing up the legal fees, no matter how stupid it was..  In Britain, it appears that if you bring a stupid case, the judge tells you to get out and quit wasting their time.
 
2014-01-10 07:40:39 PM  
But the wigs, man.
 
2014-01-10 07:42:55 PM  
http://youtu.be/z55mLS-qWnc

Didn't know the Pope was Catholic either..
 
2014-01-10 07:43:33 PM  
What is this I don't even...
 
2014-01-10 07:45:57 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: If it makes her feel better, the RCC doesn't recognize divorces.


The Church annulled my first marriage, which was nice since my then fiance and now husband really wanted a Catholic
wedding. I did too. It helped that the monsignor of our church was also on the tribunal that oversaw that sort of thing.
 
2014-01-10 07:49:39 PM  

Lawnchair: Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.


I can see it now.
Two children of the deceased, one wants an efficient and compact urn, one demands the full embalming, open casket and intact body burial in shiny steel coffin action...and they get on the horn with the funeral home in that order. The undertaker doesn't notice he's got two process orders for the same name until he's already finished the first one...
 
2014-01-10 08:01:39 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...


Ahem...suck. The word you're looking for is "suck". "Blow" is a figure of speech.

/being a little anal myself... ;)
 
2014-01-10 08:02:24 PM  

ciberido: Lawnchair: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

Ah... the Orthodox Judaism wing.  "No, I didn't turn on the oven.. the magic of Sabbath mode did".

Every religion has this.  I've got an example involving Buddhists I like to share:

[css]

I was in Pokhara, Nepal for a week or two and had a "free" day with nothing to do.  There's a Buddhist monastery  overlooking the lake, and I thought it would be nice to hike up to themonastery and look around.  As I was  wandering around the grounds I came across a group of monks slaughtering a goat.  The had the maroon robes, shaved heads, and all that, plus some rather large khukuris.

"Hey," I said, "You're Buddhist monks!  Isn't eating meat forbidden to monks?"

"It's ok," they told me, "because we're not going to eat the meat ourselves.  The bad karma won't attach to us  because we're not really the ones responsible for their deaths."

A few months later I was in Kathmandu and decided to visit Boudhanath.  When I (an obvious foreigner) started  speaking to the monks in Nepali, they invited me to eat lunch with them.  I sat in a large circle with theothers while some of the monks, acting as servants, brought out plates of food.  To my great surprise, there was
curried goat meat on everyone's plate.

"Hey," I said, "You're Buddhist monks!  Isn't eating meat forbidden to monks?"

"It's ok," they told me, "because we didn't kill the goat."


There's probably two factors here: Buddhist monks make decisions about their lives communally, but aren't bound to obey any superior, and Buddhist monks do not make a lifelong commitment.  There's a limit on how many times you can go back to secular life and then come back to being a monk, but that's it.

The first means that there's no central authority enforcing consistency how monastic discipline is interpreted, and the second means there might be a good number of less committed monks in any particular monastery (I'd be curious how much the monastic population fluctuates with the local economy for instance).
 
2014-01-10 08:06:30 PM  

Stone Meadow: veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...

Ahem...suck. The word you're looking for is "suck". "Blow" is a figure of speech.

/being a little anal myself... ;)


I think that's the wrong end for that, actually.
/but I might be underestimating your talents
 
2014-01-10 08:10:03 PM  
I am sure I will stop laughing at some point.
 
2014-01-10 08:23:14 PM  

Lawnchair: Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.


There is also such a form to sign at the veterinarian, because you might think that putting the dog to sleep or "Youth in Asia" means it'll wake up.
 
2014-01-10 08:35:29 PM  
maybe she can get henry viii to ask the pope for an annulment
 
2014-01-10 08:36:20 PM  

Maul555: can the court order her life terminated on the grounds that she is too stupid to breath?


Of Course, Heir Maul555.
 
2014-01-10 08:41:14 PM  

pounddawg: God is an absentee landlord, or he is playing a game of Calvinball.


I like this.
 
2014-01-10 08:44:27 PM  

Sticky Hands: Not only does Diet Divorce feel a lot like regular divorce, but it will reduce your sintake.
I recommend Diet Divorce as it has 0 sins per proceeding, and zero, is less than some.
Remember, the salvation general warns that too many sins may result in fate pain, also know as eternity burning in hell.


I feel like this post isn't getting the recognition it deserves. Because it is awesome.
 
2014-01-10 08:45:34 PM  
That is weapons grade stupid.
 
2014-01-10 08:46:28 PM  

digitalrain: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: If it makes her feel better, the RCC doesn't recognize divorces.

The Church annulled my first marriage, which was nice since my then fiance and now husband really wanted a Catholic
wedding. I did too. It helped that the monsignor of our church was also on the tribunal that oversaw that sort of thing.


Isn't an annulment where the Church develops sudden amnesia and forgets you were ever married?
 
2014-01-10 08:48:35 PM  
With a helpful picture of what a judge in a courtroom might look like.
 
2014-01-10 08:51:47 PM  

iron de havilland: simplicimus: VladTheEmailer: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'

From the RCC perspective, she is not divorced.

Which, incidentally, is why the Church of England exists.


Yeah, what little I know of heretics is that Henry wanted a male heir, Martin wanted to get some strange, the rest, I have no idea.
 
2014-01-10 08:53:12 PM  

Snarfangel: Lawnchair: Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.


I thought cremation was the process of covering dead people in cream, perhaps with a nice chocolate coating.


I believe that is necrophilia with a smattering of scatology.

/yes I have been to /b
 
2014-01-10 08:54:54 PM  

CaptSS: /yes I have been to /b


I don't know what you've been told, but we don't do Confession on Fark.
 
2014-01-10 08:55:57 PM  
PunGent:

Heh.  I had a client, years ago, successful, college-educated, who as it turned out, did not know what "contingent" meant.


It's just going to get worse. I was in classes with a bunch of kids this past fall and while my study group was made up of some really nice people, most of them didn't read books at all unless required to, and there were definitely a lot of conversations between us where I'd be like... seriously? You don't know x information? I can't recall the particulars at the moment but it was pretty basic stuff.

They were also pretty dismally informed about government and politics in general.
 
2014-01-10 08:56:33 PM  

simplicimus: VladTheEmailer: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesnt the whole sanctity of marriage thing means that basically the marriage being sanctified by God cannot be terminated unless its His will? Or do UK divorce courts have jurisdiction over God?
If she believes the former then what's the problem? Her marriage would no more be terminated than if I told her to spin around three times I say 'husband, I divorce thee'

From the RCC perspective, she is not divorced. Ending a marriage requires an annulment, where both parties have to admit they were too stupid, immature or naive to get married in the first place. That's why the RCC has the whole pre Cana training lessons before you get married, to weed out the stupid,etc.


I think the point of annulment is more saying 'we were never actually married for these reasons'. But yeah, that's what it boils down to.
 
2014-01-10 08:58:18 PM  

Stone Meadow: veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...

Ahem...suck. The word you're looking for is "suck". "Blow" is a figure of speech.

/being a little anal myself... ;)


blog.digitalaudioservice.de


/not saying you are necessarily a bieber fan

//Married a  Catholic Girl

 
2014-01-10 08:58:41 PM  
DNRTFA but she may have more issues than a magazine stand.
 
2014-01-10 09:02:45 PM  
I didn't read the article, but I assume she is Catholic and what she wanted was an annulment.

Easy fix sweetheart, don't sign the docs and draw up an annulment agreement with the church. I take bitcoins.
 
2014-01-10 09:14:21 PM  

ciberido: veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...

It's a well-known loophole.


Awesome! Bravo! I don't remember why I originally favorited you but this confirms I did so for good reason.  I'm now adding you to my list of people who owe me new keyboards...
 
2014-01-10 09:46:17 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "The most striking of Mrs Mulcahy's many allegations of negligence against her solicitors was that, having regard to her Roman Catholic faith, Mrs Boots had failed to give her the advice which was requisite in view of her firmly held belief in the sanctity of marriage...

"I'm not divorced! I'm just not living with my husband anymore and we don't love each other and we never talk and we're both seeing other people."

Uh...just how dumb do you think God is?


Hey, we can't really be dumb if we're just following god's orders! Well, let's get serious. God knows what he's doing. He wrote this book here and the book says he made us all to be just like him. So, if we're dumb, then god is dumb. And maybe even a little ugly on the side.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-10 09:49:11 PM  
Zappa thread!

Woohoo!
 
2014-01-10 09:50:35 PM  

At least you now know why the husband agreed to the divorce.

 
2014-01-10 09:55:06 PM  

Oztemprom: Stone Meadow: veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...

Ahem...suck. The word you're looking for is "suck". "Blow" is a figure of speech.

/being a little anal myself... ;)

[blog.digitalaudioservice.de image 560x560]
/not saying you are necessarily a bieber fan
//Married a  Catholic Girl


Okay, I tripped up over my ignorance of Zappa, but that was AWESOME! :)

/not a beiber fan
//but I did marry a Catholic Girl
 
2014-01-10 10:00:17 PM  

PunGent: Sigh.  I don't want to have to defend the seemingly crazy lady, but there is one possible point in her favor.

FTA:  "The lawyers failed to regard her Roman Catholic faith and should have recommended judicial separation - a step down from full divorce - as an alternative course of action, she said."

If there was an available legal option, and her attorneys failed to mention it to her, that IS pretty much text book malpractice, at least here in the States.  You don't expect your clients to know the law, that's why they came to you in the first place.

youhadonejob.jpg

Risky, of course, trying to interpret a legal case as reported by reporters.  And I assume the review process over there would take that into account.

Just saying, she may not be COMPLETELY out to lunch.


You have GOT to be kidding me.

The "legal alternative" thing has to do with other reasonable options to the course of action the client is trying to take--i.e., I want to sue for damages, okay, do you want punitive, compensatory, emotional and psychological as well as monetary? Or, you can't sue for breach of contract, shall we try unjust enrichment?

The attorney is NOT on the hook because a woman comes in and says "I want to end my marriage," and he fails to say "Oh but wait, you're Roman Catholic and shouldn't get divorced according to your religion, wouldn't you rather get a legal separation instead?" That's HER job, to tell him she's Catholic and needs to legally end her marriage without divorce. It's not his job to remind her that she's not supposed to get a divorce in her Church.
 
2014-01-10 10:25:19 PM  

Stone Meadow: Oztemprom: Stone Meadow: veedeevadeevoodee: gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!

At the CYO, where they learned to blowwwww ...

Ahem...suck. The word you're looking for is "suck". "Blow" is a figure of speech.

/being a little anal myself... ;)

[blog.digitalaudioservice.de image 560x560]
/not saying you are necessarily a bieber fan
//Married a  Catholic Girl

Okay, I tripped up over my ignorance of Zappa, but that was AWESOME! :)

/not a beiber fan
//but I did marry a Catholic Girl



This woulda been a killer show

www.nndb.com
 
2014-01-10 10:32:30 PM  

gilgigamesh: So she's one of those Catholics who think her all knowing, all powerful God is taken in by legal hairsplitting.

I'm guessing she was also probably the queen of anal and blowjobs out behind the local pub before she got married in virgin white. Love those Catholic girls!


I love 'em too. I mean, really. Love 'em a lot. Some can suck the chrome off a bumper...
 
2014-01-10 10:48:56 PM  
I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little had changed
I am the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you
I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I am the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I am the slime oozin' out
From your TV set
 
2014-01-10 10:51:14 PM  
Josh Fenderman
 
2014-01-11 12:02:07 AM  

LindenFark: The way I read the second to last paragraph, it sounds like the divorce proceedings were a bluff to try to get a lesser "clean break" settlement that does not technically violate her religious beliefs. In which case she is suing her lawyers for not telling her her bluff might be called. Still monumentally stupid, but not quite as brain dead stupid as the headline suggests.


Maybe he logic was clouded by a Catholic Block
 
2014-01-11 12:54:10 AM  

CaptSS: Snarfangel: Lawnchair: Reminds me of the page of legalese I had to sign and initial three or four times for cremating my parents that, effectively, said "once we torch them, we can't really put them back together".  There had to have been a lawsuit years ago that caused that form to exist.


I thought cremation was the process of covering dead people in cream, perhaps with a nice chocolate coating.

I believe that is necrophilia with a smattering of scatology.

/yes I have been to /b


That is way too much information.
 
2014-01-11 01:37:42 AM  
At least she wasn't a Jewish Princess...
...with overworked gums.
la la la
 
2014-01-11 02:33:34 AM  

Gyrfalcon: PunGent: Sigh.  I don't want to have to defend the seemingly crazy lady, but there is one possible point in her favor.

FTA:  "The lawyers failed to regard her Roman Catholic faith and should have recommended judicial separation - a step down from full divorce - as an alternative course of action, she said."

If there was an available legal option, and her attorneys failed to mention it to her, that IS pretty much text book malpractice, at least here in the States.  You don't expect your clients to know the law, that's why they came to you in the first place.

youhadonejob.jpg

Risky, of course, trying to interpret a legal case as reported by reporters.  And I assume the review process over there would take that into account.

Just saying, she may not be COMPLETELY out to lunch.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

The "legal alternative" thing has to do with other reasonable options to the course of action the client is trying to take--i.e., I want to sue for damages, okay, do you want punitive, compensatory, emotional and psychological as well as monetary? Or, you can't sue for breach of contract, shall we try unjust enrichment?

The attorney is NOT on the hook because a woman comes in and says "I want to end my marriage," and he fails to say "Oh but wait, you're Roman Catholic and shouldn't get divorced according to your religion, wouldn't you rather get a legal separation instead?" That's HER job, to tell him she's Catholic and needs to legally end her marriage without divorce. It's not his job to remind her that she's not supposed to get a divorce in her Church.


Again, I agree it's not the attorney's job to know the ins and outs of every religion.  It IS his job to at least MENTION other legal ways of ending a marriage.

Counter example:  John Q. Public goes to his attorney asking to incorporate a small business, and the attorney ONLY tells him about ONE form of public entity, the formal corporation, and draws him up an expensive, but valid, set of formal documents.

He completely neglects to tell him about other valid options like sole proprietorships, d/b/a, s-corp, etc, etc.

Malpractice?

In my book, it might not be, but he's sure as fark not serving his client's best interest.

In my experience, it's best to assume the client (and the occasional judge) knows absolutely nothing about the area of law in which you're giving them advice.

Wasn't my case, but a buddy of mine bought a house down in Rhode Island about fifteen years ago; everything was fine, right up until the day of the closing, when he went for the walk-through.  House was still full of furniture, clothes, etc, etc.  Turned out the seller's counsel hadn't managed to actually get his sweet little old lady of a client to understand that selling her house meant she had to, you know, move out of it.

My buddy's not an asshole, and was able to extend his financing, so they all worked out a deal to give her a month to find an apartment, hire movers, etc.

Absolutely true story, by the way.  It's never happened to me in fifteen years, but on a related note, early on, I learned to double-check that the Seller was actually bringing the damned house keys to the closing.

Sellers were divorced, and each thought the other had the keys.  Nothing irritates a buyer client like having to hire a locksmith to get into their shiny new house.

Never assume, is what I'm saying.

Also, expect incompetence :)
 
2014-01-11 07:19:49 AM  
"What do you mean I can`t carry on taking all the money from this man for the rest of his life simply because we had sex at one point? That must be illegal. I`ll try to take YOUR money!"
 
2014-01-11 09:33:19 AM  

PunGent: The attorney is NOT on the hook because a woman comes in and says "I want to end my marriage," and he fails to say "Oh but wait, you're Roman Catholic and shouldn't get divorced according to your religion, wouldn't you rather
Again, I agree it's not the attorney's job to know the ins and outs of every religion.  It IS his job to at least MENTION other legal ways of ending a marriage.



Well, as most judiciaries frown on manslaughter/homicide, short of divorce there are NO other legal ways of ENDING the marriage. A separation, trial separation, agreeing to sleep on the couch in turns, all that jazz, does not end the marriage per se. A person who is not divorced cannot legally marry someone else in most of the civilized world outside of the Middle- East, or, to put it bluntly, most of the civilized world. Excluding a few whacky LDS offshoots, of course.
 
2014-01-11 11:41:23 AM  

PunGent: Gyrfalcon: PunGent: Sigh.  I don't want to have to defend the seemingly crazy lady, but there is one possible point in her favor.

FTA:  "The lawyers failed to regard her Roman Catholic faith and should have recommended judicial separation - a step down from full divorce - as an alternative course of action, she said."

If there was an available legal option, and her attorneys failed to mention it to her, that IS pretty much text book malpractice, at least here in the States.  You don't expect your clients to know the law, that's why they came to you in the first place.

youhadonejob.jpg

Risky, of course, trying to interpret a legal case as reported by reporters.  And I assume the review process over there would take that into account.

Just saying, she may not be COMPLETELY out to lunch.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

The "legal alternative" thing has to do with other reasonable options to the course of action the client is trying to take--i.e., I want to sue for damages, okay, do you want punitive, compensatory, emotional and psychological as well as monetary? Or, you can't sue for breach of contract, shall we try unjust enrichment?

The attorney is NOT on the hook because a woman comes in and says "I want to end my marriage," and he fails to say "Oh but wait, you're Roman Catholic and shouldn't get divorced according to your religion, wouldn't you rather get a legal separation instead?" That's HER job, to tell him she's Catholic and needs to legally end her marriage without divorce. It's not his job to remind her that she's not supposed to get a divorce in her Church.

Again, I agree it's not the attorney's job to know the ins and outs of every religion.  It IS his job to at least MENTION other legal ways of ending a marriage.

Counter example:  John Q. Public goes to his attorney asking to incorporate a small business, and the attorney ONLY tells him about ONE form of public entity, the formal corporation, and draws him up an expensive, but valid, set of form ...


I do have to wonder if there wasn't at least some measure of attorney negligence involved here.

Now, with your example, a member of the general public isn't necessarily going to know about all of the options for creating a business entity, as it may not be something he has ever encountered before.  With a divorce, a member of the general public can be assumed to know that they are attempting to end a marriage, and if a member of the public asks for one, it would likely be assumed that it's what she wants to accomplish.  Still, it would seem prudent to spend two minutes mentioning other options that might be available.

But even if the attorney doesn't have the obligation to discuss other options like the judicial separation (which I'm reasonably certain doesn't exist anywhere in the US, I'd never heard of it before, and it appears to be a completely different concept from a legal separation) there is most certainly an obligation to make sure that the client understands the documents that are being signed and presented to the judge.  All the divorce documents I've ever seen actually explicitly say what they're doing, it's not really possible to understand the document without understanding that the marriage is going to be terminated.
 
2014-01-11 12:08:31 PM  
Britain: the Florida of Europe.
 
2014-01-11 12:29:26 PM  

Kittypie070: Britain: the Florida of Europe.



Filled with old people, frostbacks, and theme parks?
 
2014-01-11 10:49:15 PM  

dready zim: "What do you mean I can`t carry on taking all the money from this man for the rest of his life simply because we had sex at one point? That must be illegal. I`ll try to take YOUR money!"



She probably saw him smiling, after the paperwork had been signed, and had "buyer's remorse".  I'm of the opinion that he is a very lucky man.
 
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