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(The New York Times)   Target: Did we say 70 million victims? We meant 110 million   (nytimes.com) divider line 112
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2014-01-10 02:46:39 PM
Look at your credit scores!!!
You're getting hacxored.
You're all getting hxxred!

Next on Oprah.
 
2014-01-10 02:47:05 PM
Okay okay okay. We really meant to say, "anyone that has ever shopped at Target in the past five years with a credit or debit card."
 
2014-01-10 02:49:21 PM
What about Jenny?

Yes, Dave, even Jenny.  Everyone's information has been compromised.  All of it has been stolen, Dave.
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2014-01-10 03:22:23 PM
At some point, it will be ALL the credit card numbers.

ALL the credit card numbers are stolen.
 
2014-01-10 03:24:00 PM
This deal keeps getting worse all the time.
 
2014-01-10 03:24:18 PM

vonmatrices: At some point, it will be ALL the credit card numbers.

ALL the credit card numbers are stolen.


0000 0000 0000 0001
0000 0000 0000 0002
0000 0000 0000 0003
0000 0000 0000 0004
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0000 0000 0000 0006

 
2014-01-10 03:24:37 PM

Lando Lincoln: Okay okay okay. We really meant to say, "anyone that has ever shopped at Target in the past five years with a credit or debit card."


Yep.  Including all the rabbits.  This incident at Target has led to some cross hares.

Ha!  Target.  Cross Hares.

/Why yes, I am off my meds, why do you ask?
 
2014-01-10 03:25:19 PM

stampylives: 0000 0000 0000 0005


Hey Modmins, can you ban this jerk for posting my personal information online?
 
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2014-01-10 03:25:24 PM

stampylives: vonmatrices: At some point, it will be ALL the credit card numbers.

ALL the credit card numbers are stolen.

0000 0000 0000 0001
0000 0000 0000 0002
0000 0000 0000 0003
0000 0000 0000 0004
0000 0000 0000 0005
0000 0000 0000 0006


drupal.org
 
2014-01-10 03:25:29 PM
Wow. I wish it had been Wall Mart. I never shop there.
 
2014-01-10 03:25:43 PM
I've been watching for fraudulent charges, and I was never part of the fiasco. I was more worried about a global level, which is supposedly true...
 
2014-01-10 03:26:08 PM
Ok this is getting silly. there are only 300 million people in the USA. That includes infants and people who don't even know what Target is. Are you saying 1 in 3 Americans visited Target during this short time period?
 
2014-01-10 03:27:16 PM
Thank god I got a new credit card between now and the last time I shopped at Target.  The old one got lost, so I canceled it.  Look whose carelessness is paying off!
 
2014-01-10 03:27:28 PM
I have a hard time believing that 1 in every 3 people in the country shopped at target...   These numbers must be the result of people using multiple cards.
 
2014-01-10 03:27:29 PM
My gosh, I can actualy see the torrent of heads rolling down Nicollet Mall from the Target HQ right now.
 
2014-01-10 03:27:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-10 03:27:39 PM
www.carlsontoons.com
 
2014-01-10 03:27:54 PM
The company now says that other kinds of information were taken, including mailing and email addresses, phone numbers and names.

Someone got into the loyalty program.  My email address isn't on my Amex stripe.
 
2014-01-10 03:28:09 PM
...the latest subset of potential victims includes customers who may not have shopped at Target during the holiday period


Okay, so what would be the relevant time period, then?
 
2014-01-10 03:28:19 PM
The other, other shoe has dropped!

drawception.com
 
2014-01-10 03:28:57 PM
They may want to chang their name.
 
2014-01-10 03:29:04 PM

stampylives: vonmatrices: At some point, it will be ALL the credit card numbers.

ALL the credit card numbers are stolen.

0000 0000 0000 0001
0000 0000 0000 0002
0000 0000 0000 0003
0000 0000 0000 0004
0000 0000 0000 0005
0000 0000 0000 0006



Woohoo, 7 is still safe!
 
2014-01-10 03:29:11 PM

stampylives: vonmatrices: At some point, it will be ALL the credit card numbers.

ALL the credit card numbers are stolen.

0000 0000 0000 0002


Damn Teddy Roosevelt...
 
2014-01-10 03:29:48 PM

Walker: Ok this is getting silly. there are only 300 million people in the USA. That includes infants and people who don't even know what Target is. Are you saying 1 in 3 Americans visited Target during this short time period?


I'm having a hard time believing that as well. It's sounding like the breach encompasses a period of time much longer than that two week window initially reported.
 
2014-01-10 03:30:02 PM

Walker: Ok this is getting silly. there are only 300 million people in the USA. That includes infants and people who don't even know what Target is. Are you saying 1 in 3 Americans visited Target during this short time period?


This is a different set of data "including mailing and email addresses, phone numbers and names" according to TFA.  It's likely a superset of the 40 million credit cards already leaked.
 
2014-01-10 03:31:04 PM

tricycleracer: The company now says that other kinds of information were taken, including mailing and email addresses, phone numbers and names.

Someone got into the loyalty program.  My email address isn't on my Amex stripe.


It also sounds like Target linked the loyalty and payments systems. If 'twere so, 'twere a grievous fault.
 
2014-01-10 03:31:30 PM

Walker: Ok this is getting silly. there are only 300 million people in the USA. That includes infants and people who don't even know what Target is. Are you saying 1 in 3 Americans visited Target during this short time period?


I think there's a lot of double counting going on.  They're almost certainly assuming each card counts as a separate person and maybe even each transaction is a different person.
 
2014-01-10 03:32:17 PM
My wife's card information (obviously) was stolen, but when she asked her credit union about it she said the thieves hadn't used it.

Didn't send her a new card.

/Is that insane?
//or what?
 
2014-01-10 03:32:53 PM

A Message from the NSA


Yes, we have all of your personal information. Everything. But you don't have to worry about this if you aren't doing any thing wrong.

P.S. This is Edward Snowdon. Don't you believe it!

P.P.S. This is the Haxors. We have all of your personal information, too. Edward Snowdon is a bleeding heart liberal. He can bite our shiney metal asses. (Our asses are shiney metal because we can afford to wear pants made of cloth of gold. Booboizee prefers to wear pants made of Platinum, but then she's one of those LOTR nerds and she likes to pretend it is oricalchum or whatever they call that stuff that elves and dwarves wear.)

P.P.P.S. Ha! Hackers! We Illuminati had all of your personal data thousands of years before you were born! Only queers wear cloth of gold. The real conspirators wear invisible cloaks.

PPPPS from a ten year old boy:  Ha! ha! The Emperor has no clothes!
 
2014-01-10 03:32:57 PM
We meant "everyone who has been alive during the last 200 years, and 100 years into the future, in every parallel universe, and also the beasts of the fields, the birds of the sky, and GOD HIMSELF."
 
2014-01-10 03:37:46 PM

yakmans_dad: My wife's card information (obviously) was stolen, but when she asked her credit union about it she said the thieves hadn't used it.

Didn't send her a new card.

/Is that insane?
//or what?


I called the bank I use for my Visa because I felt my card had been compromised.  They said they'd send me a new card.  I called back to find they hadn't cancelled the card.  I asked again, and was told that cancelling the card can take up to 60 days and that if there were any fraudulent transactions, I could just contest them.

They no longer have my business.

Yes, in retrospect I could have reported it stolen, but I went on the misguided assumption that when I asked for it to be cancelled and they said it would be cancelled that it would be, in fact, cancelled.
 
2014-01-10 03:38:04 PM
The last time I paid close attention to this issue, it sounded like the POS card swiping devices may have been compromised.  Within the brick and mortar stores, which suggested an inside job.  But still no clues?

Probably aliens.  Not saying it was "space aliens," but I wouldn't rule that out, just yet.
 
2014-01-10 03:38:22 PM
Is it time to panic yet?

Hell, my credit is so shiatty someone stealing my identity might actually improve it. If you use plastic, you'll get hacked; if you take cash, someone will rob you. I think the lesson here is: never go anywhere and never buy anything.
 
2014-01-10 03:38:33 PM
I lost my damn credit card recently and now all of my online accounts are nagging me for a new number.

I think I will get another credit card and use it only for online purchases and pre-payments. That way I will never lose it because it will never leave my secret hidey-hole.

One card for home shopping and another for brick and mortar store purchases. I don't see a downside.
 
2014-01-10 03:39:47 PM

12349876: Walker: Ok this is getting silly. there are only 300 million people in the USA. That includes infants and people who don't even know what Target is. Are you saying 1 in 3 Americans visited Target during this short time period?

I think there's a lot of double counting going on.  They're almost certainly assuming each card counts as a separate person and maybe even each transaction is a different person.


I'm sure that's the case.  In the data industry, multiple individuals at an address would count as different records.  Plus, if it's transactional data, then each transaction could potentially be viewed as a record, but the stories have read more like duplicate individuals as opposed to a total number of individual transactions compromised.
 
2014-01-10 03:42:24 PM
Maybe someone will steal my identity and fix my bad credit score first, before they try and use my new great credit score they made for me.
 
2014-01-10 03:42:59 PM
remember when we said 40 million and when we said 70 million?  what we meant was 40 million + 70 million.
 
2014-01-10 03:44:24 PM

mainsail: Wow. I wish it had been Wal

l Mart. I never shop there.

not many people have.  not many people have.
 
2014-01-10 03:47:18 PM

yakmans_dad: My wife's card information (obviously) was stolen, but when she asked her credit union about it she said the thieves hadn't used it.

Didn't send her a new card.

/Is that insane?
//or what?


She needs to demand it.

My bank (Chase) went ahead and sent out new cards to both me and my wife unsolicited.
 
2014-01-10 03:47:21 PM
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2014-01-10 03:48:19 PM
Everybody with a credit card throw it into a shredder and get a new one issued. Time to start all over.
 
2014-01-10 03:48:45 PM

stampylives: vonmatrices: At some point, it will be ALL the credit card numbers.

ALL the credit card numbers are stolen.

0000 0000 0000 0001
0000 0000 0000 0002
0000 0000 0000 0003
0000 0000 0000 0004
0000 0000 0000 0005
0000 0000 0000 0006


These fail the Luhn check... 0000 0000 0000 0000 however....
 
2014-01-10 03:50:09 PM
And meanwhile, I'm still here waiting for the USPS to deliver my replacement card which is about a week overdue. Apparently, travel across the country in the middle of a winter storm is enough to make the USPS lose things for several days.

What pisses me off about Target's deception is that they KNEW this breach happened a while ago, and they sat on that information, choosing to attempt to keep it quiet until after the holiday shopping was done. They were cornered into revealing it when the bulk of the shopping season was over, but even then they downplayed it, lied about the numbers of people affected, and offered a 10% off weekend to try to get people in for those last days of holiday shopping... If they had ANY integrity, they'd have let people know as soon as they'd confirmed it, but they didn't.

So now I'm rubbing two nickels together to pay for gasoline to get to work while I wait for USPS to deliver my new card, and I can only hope Target stores become like ghost towns because of this abuse of customers' trust.
 
2014-01-10 03:51:36 PM

brantgoose: I lost my damn credit card recently and now all of my online accounts are nagging me for a new number.

I think I will get another credit card and use it only for online purchases and pre-payments. That way I will never lose it because it will never leave my secret hidey-hole.

One card for home shopping and another for brick and mortar store purchases. I don't see a downside.


I like your plan, but I also like having all my purchase info consolidated.  I need to use my card tonight and tomorrow but then I think I'll order a new one.  I use it so much I should probably request a new number once a year anyway.
 
2014-01-10 03:51:41 PM
This is why I have 1,000 credit cards with no more than a $45 limit on each one. Sure people yell and hit me when I am paying for something like, say, a new HDTV at Best Buy, but you can never be too safe.

I am safe!  SAFE I SAY!
 
2014-01-10 03:52:47 PM

VladTheEmailer: stampylives: vonmatrices: At some point, it will be ALL the credit card numbers.

ALL the credit card numbers are stolen.

0000 0000 0000 0001
0000 0000 0000 0002
0000 0000 0000 0003
0000 0000 0000 0004
0000 0000 0000 0005
0000 0000 0000 0006

These fail the Luhn check... 0000 0000 0000 0000 however....


If interested:

www.loveinfographics.com
 
2014-01-10 03:53:47 PM
Ha! My bank saw that I bought some coffee and flour at Target on the morning of the 27th and sent me a new card without my even asking.
 
2014-01-10 03:54:22 PM
I wonder if this means Target's REDcard system was hacked?

In any case, this goes far beyond their shiatty "a few POS terminals were hacked, that's all!" excuse.
 
2014-01-10 03:55:19 PM

stampylives: vonmatrices: At some point, it will be ALL the credit card numbers.

ALL the credit card numbers are stolen.

0000 0000 0000 0001
0000 0000 0000 0002
0000 0000 0000 0003
0000 0000 0000 0004
0000 0000 0000 0005
0000 0000 0000 0006


Just to be picky, I do believe not every number combination is a valid card number.  There is a certain algorithm to it.  I remember back in the day there where credit card number generators that you could feed to AOL, and they would not check if it was a valid card until a month was up, so a person never had to pay for AOL if you just kept signing back up every month.  Or so OTHER people tell me...
 
2014-01-10 03:55:27 PM

mainsail: Wow. I wish it had been Wall Mart. I never shop there.


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"That can happen."
 
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