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(Wisconsin Gazette)   U.S. government to recognize Utah gay marriages even if Utah won't   (wisconsingazette.com) divider line 24
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2014-01-10 04:12:31 PM  
6 votes:

gja: How about we stop recognizing states who refuse to make sense?


This. Dump half of them. They want their evangelical theocracy with no taxes, no government and nothing civilized? Fine. Have fun. Meanwhile, the first-world part of the country can actually begin running a country like grown-ups without their derp, The redneck right is wrong about everything, has always been wrong about everything, and is even proud of being wrong. They're nothing but a nuisance to intelligent people.

 Better off without 'em.
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-10 04:08:40 PM  
5 votes:
How about we stop recognizing states who refuse to make sense?
2014-01-10 03:55:00 PM  
5 votes:
This is beneficial to the state's argument against same-sex marriage. While the state is mitigating the damage that these marriages will cause through not recognizing them, the recognition of the federal government is sure to cause some measure of harm on its own. This will create more data for the state to use to show that same-sex marriage is harmful and thus a ban on it is warranted.

I still, however, do not understand why the state did not cite the harm that must have already occurred in other places (such as Massachusetts, Canada, the Netherlands, Iowa) as a result of legal same-sex marriage in their response to the initial legal challenge. If their arguments are of any intellectual merit, such harm must logically be readily demonstrable.
2014-01-10 04:50:11 PM  
3 votes:

stampylives: has anyone ever just tried going to utah with some bronze tools, and demonstrating that they are better than stone tools? i mean, it might not get things right, but at least it would be some progress.


I thought Mitt was the bronze tool from Utah.
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2014-01-10 04:27:50 PM  
3 votes:

Wolf_Blitzer: MyRandomName: zeroman987: onearmedninja: I guess the federal government is tired of just taking our rights and now they are working on taking states rights also.

States don't have rights, they have powers. Read the Constitution.

The constitution grants powers to the federal government, not states. That is what state constitutions are for. Did you fail 5th grade civics?


10th Amendment says what


It says all powers not given to the federal government are held by the states or the people. Therefore, the people, through the federal constitution, granted some powers to the federal government, and the rest to the states and the people, subject to the supremacy clause.

In other words, the states have the power to draft their own constitutions, and give themselves powers, as long as it doesn't conflict with the federal constitution.

So, you can have even free-er speech in Illinois, but you can't have a state religion.
2014-01-10 04:11:07 PM  
3 votes:

onearmedninja: I guess the federal government is tired of just taking our rights and now they are working on taking states rights also.


Rights are exclusively a property of individuals. States are a collective; the concept of a "collective right" is nonsensical.
2014-01-10 04:02:25 PM  
3 votes:

onearmedninja: I guess the federal government is tired of just taking our rights and now they are working on taking states rights also.


States don't have rights, they have powers. Read the Constitution.
2014-01-10 04:28:08 PM  
2 votes:

onearmedninja: I guess the federal government is tired of just taking our rights and now they are working on taking states rights also.


Except that the Constitution states that federal law supersedes state law.
2014-01-10 04:18:23 PM  
2 votes:

LordJiro: menschenfresser: gja: How about we stop recognizing states who refuse to make sense?

This. Dump half of them. They want their evangelical theocracy with no taxes, no government and nothing civilized? Fine. Have fun. Meanwhile, the first-world part of the country can actually begin running a country like grown-ups without their derp, The redneck right is wrong about everything, has always been wrong about everything, and is even proud of being wrong. They're nothing but a nuisance to intelligent people.

 Better off without 'em.

The jackasses shouldn't get to keep American land, though. I'm sure some country has some empty land they could have. They're bootstrappy enough to survive in Siberia or the Sahara, right?


Doggone right they are, and they can be assured that there'll be no meddlesome "gubmint" there to ruin their lives any further. It's a win/win.
2014-01-10 04:02:34 PM  
2 votes:

onearmedninja: I guess the federal government is tired of just taking our rights and now they are working on taking states rights also.



0/10
2014-01-10 03:56:10 PM  
2 votes:

Dimensio: This is beneficial to the state's argument against same-sex marriage. While the state is mitigating the damage that these marriages will cause through not recognizing them, the recognition of the federal government is sure to cause some measure of harm on its own. This will create more data for the state to use to show that same-sex marriage is harmful and thus a ban on it is warranted.

I still, however, do not understand why the state did not cite the harm that must have already occurred in other places (such as Massachusetts, Canada, the Netherlands, Iowa) as a result of legal same-sex marriage in their response to the initial legal challenge. If their arguments are of any intellectual merit, such harm must logically be readily demonstrable.


I see what you did there...
2014-01-10 07:41:57 PM  
1 votes:
And the Regressives of the nation, bound to their daddy god, screech and whine as they're pulled into the 21st Century.
2014-01-10 06:14:23 PM  
1 votes:
MyRandomName

Obama was against gay marriage as recently as 2010.

What a hate monger.


I don't care when someone grows up as long as they've done it.
2014-01-10 05:24:18 PM  
1 votes:
Ah Utah.....where "separation of church and state" has apparently never been heard of.  So very proud to live in this backward ass state......ugh.
2014-01-10 04:46:01 PM  
1 votes:
has anyone ever just tried going to utah with some bronze tools, and demonstrating that they are better than stone tools? i mean, it might not get things right, but at least it would be some progress.
2014-01-10 04:42:13 PM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: One interesting implication from this is that there will be couples who are considered married for Federal purposes (census, taxation, contribution limits, etc.), but who cannot legally divorce, because Utah won't recognize their marriage in order to dissolve it, and other states require residency before they can grant divorces.


So what you are saying is Utah and the federal government are coming up with new ways to lower the countries divorce rate?
2014-01-10 04:37:26 PM  
1 votes:
One interesting implication from this is that there will be couples who are considered married for Federal purposes (census, taxation, contribution limits, etc.), but who cannot legally divorce, because Utah won't recognize their marriage in order to dissolve it, and other states require residency before they can grant divorces.
2014-01-10 04:14:38 PM  
1 votes:

menschenfresser: gja: How about we stop recognizing states who refuse to make sense?

This. Dump half of them. They want their evangelical theocracy with no taxes, no government and nothing civilized? Fine. Have fun. Meanwhile, the first-world part of the country can actually begin running a country like grown-ups without their derp, The redneck right is wrong about everything, has always been wrong about everything, and is even proud of being wrong. They're nothing but a nuisance to intelligent people.

 Better off without 'em.


The jackasses shouldn't get to keep American land, though. I'm sure some country has some empty land they could have. They're bootstrappy enough to survive in Siberia or the Sahara, right?
2014-01-10 04:06:05 PM  
1 votes:

MyRandomName: zeroman987: onearmedninja: I guess the federal government is tired of just taking our rights and now they are working on taking states rights also.

States don't have rights, they have powers. Read the Constitution.

The constitution grants powers to the federal government, not states. That is what state constitutions are for. Did you fail 5th grade civics?



10th Amendment says what
2014-01-10 04:04:27 PM  
1 votes:

Welcome to UTAH

The hate state.

2014-01-10 04:04:22 PM  
1 votes:

zeroman987: onearmedninja: I guess the federal government is tired of just taking our rights and now they are working on taking states rights also.

States don't have rights, they have powers. Read the Constitution.


The constitution grants powers to the federal government, not states. That is what state constitutions are for. Did you fail 5th grade civics?
2014-01-10 04:01:32 PM  
1 votes:
Jews don't recognize Jesus as Messiah. Protestants don't recognize the Pope as the head of the church. And Mormons don't recognize each other in the liquor store.
2014-01-10 03:54:10 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, this should be good.
2014-01-10 03:51:00 PM  
1 votes:
Perhaps it is the case that Utah has the prosopagnosia. LAUGHTER OL!
 
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