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(The Hill)   In today's "Wait, that was a thing?" news: Radio Disney has withdrawn from a pro-hydraulic fracturing school tour backed by the oil and gas industry due to "inadvertent" controversy   (thehill.com) divider line 42
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2014-01-10 02:31:00 PM
What? What do you mean indoctrinating the youth with propaganda is a bad thing? Since when?
 
2014-01-10 02:37:17 PM

Smoking GNU: What? What do you mean indoctrinating the youth with propaganda is a bad thing? Since when?


Since Walt died.
 
2014-01-10 02:38:11 PM

Smoking GNU: What? What do you mean indoctrinating the youth with propaganda is a bad thing? Since when?


It's only a bad thing if it doesn't involve teaching the principles of Supply-side Jesus.
 
2014-01-10 02:39:37 PM
Disney was trying to introduce a new character, Frieda the Fracturing Fowl
 
2014-01-10 02:41:12 PM
fracking iceholes
 
2014-01-10 02:52:43 PM
You know how kids are.  In five years, they'll take down all of their oil and gas posters and replace them with posters of alternative forms of energy.

"Oh, so you like coal?  That's cute.  I'm totally into geothermal now.  It's the hottest thing in the underground scene.  You've probably never even heard of it."
 
2014-01-10 03:01:46 PM
When I was in fifth grade we got to visit the Davis-Bessie Nuclear Power Station before it opened for operation. I remember it as being very exciting in a future-y sort of way. My drawing of the plant was sleeted to be displayed, so I felt like a real part of the plant, too.

So, maybe there is something about propaganda working. I am pro-nuclear. We've seen it work in countries like France. I am, however, against nuclear power here in the United States. I've seen what the trends in deregulation and privatization have done in this country. I could very easily see a nuclear version of the West Fertilizer Company accident happening here.
 
2014-01-10 03:03:05 PM
userserve-ak.last.fm
"THERE'S A GREAT BIG, BEAUTIFUL TOMORROOOOOOOOWOWWWW... "
 
2014-01-10 03:04:34 PM

Rapmaster2000: You know how kids are.  In five years, they'll take down all of their oil and gas posters and replace them with posters of alternative forms of energy.

"Oh, so you like coal?  That's cute.  I'm totally into geothermal now.  It's the hottest thing in the underground scene.  You've probably never even heard of it."


"Geothermal, that is so 2015, all the edgy kids are into fusion now."
 
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2014-01-10 03:04:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: "Oh, so you like coal? That's cute. I'm totally into geothermal now. It's the hottest thing in the underground scene. You've probably never even heard of it."


Man, when I was a kid I was so unpopular for liking things that nobody else liked. Now everybody is not-liking popular things. I have to start being trendy just to be different.
 
2014-01-10 03:04:51 PM
"Our country cannot survive without oil and gas," OOGEEP's Ron Grosjean told the Wooster, Ohio, Daily Record.

Yes it can.
 
2014-01-10 03:08:49 PM
Radio Disney planned to take the tour to other states if the Ohio tour proved successful. However, after being dragged into an unlikely controversy, Disney said they were pulling out of the remaining installments of the Ohio tour, according to an email statement sent to Al Jazeera.


Yes... "unlikely". Who could have ever guessed that singing the praises of fracking to kids would've been controversial?
  "Our country cannot survive without oil and gas," OOGEEP's Ron Grosjean told the Wooster, Ohio, Daily Record. "Kids are the best way (to spread the message). They retain (the information); they remember it.

... They don't question it, so we can avoid talking about any of the negatives and present pure propaganda. Hook them when they're young."
 
2014-01-10 03:23:05 PM
I want to see the spin Marty puts on this.
 
2014-01-10 03:36:43 PM
"The sole intent of the collaboration between Radio Disney and the nonprofit Rocking in Ohio educational initiative was to foster kids' interest in science and technology. Having been inadvertently drawn into a debate that has no connection with this goal, Radio Disney has decided to withdraw from the few remaining installments of the program," the statement read.


Holy shiat, that's some weapons-grade propaganda bullshiat right there.
 
2014-01-10 03:48:41 PM
This is a surprise to anyone? The fossil fuel industries have been doing shiat like this for decades. Their entire existence depends on keeping people dependent on their products, which objectively considered are environmentally disastrous. Current society is very dependent on them so even a very fast phase-out would take decades, but if they can slow it down they will make a lot more money.

Kids and republicans tend to think in black and white, so if they can convince them they are the white hats then they win very easily.
 
2014-01-10 03:49:01 PM
 
2014-01-10 04:00:11 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: "Our country cannot survive without oil and gas," OOGEEP's Ron Grosjean told the Wooster, Ohio, Daily Record.

Yes it can.


Do you live petroleum free?

Fracking is controversial in the same way immunizations are controversial. Dumb people whine about it.
 
2014-01-10 04:03:12 PM
Am I the only one more concerned about the idea of Disney sponsored field trips? This is an example where the cheer of "private companies are better then government always!" falls apart. It just seems like it would be better if the act of taking children to outside places to learn should not be a monetary proposition.
 
2014-01-10 04:06:11 PM

Mrbogey: Do you live petroleum free?


Not at the moment, no. But this isn't about me. America could be petroleum free. It's only a matter of political will.
 
2014-01-10 04:06:57 PM
"The sole intent of the collaboration between Radio Disney and the nonprofit Rocking in Ohio educational initiative was to foster kids' interest in science and technology."

www.blahblahblahg.com
 
2014-01-10 04:11:59 PM

Mrbogey: Dusk-You-n-Me: "Our country cannot survive without oil and gas," OOGEEP's Ron Grosjean told the Wooster, Ohio, Daily Record.

Yes it can.

Do you live petroleum free?

Fracking is controversial in the same way immunizations are controversial. Dumb people whine about it.


I'm laughing to myself, because you're drinking the water you're so keen on polluting.  Keep on chugging, bro.
 
2014-01-10 04:21:42 PM

jigger: "The sole intent of the collaboration between Radio Disney and the nonprofit Rocking in Ohio educational initiative was to foster kids' interest in science and technology."

[www.blahblahblahg.com image 457x584]


Teaching one side of an issue (aka: fracking is amazing and helps everyone and has no negative consequences) is not science. It's propaganda. Teach the whole issue, and there's no problem. However, I doubt that'll happen since this was sponsored by the oil & gas companies.
 
2014-01-10 04:34:07 PM

vicioushobbit: Mrbogey: Dusk-You-n-Me: "Our country cannot survive without oil and gas," OOGEEP's Ron Grosjean told the Wooster, Ohio, Daily Record.

Yes it can.

Do you live petroleum free?

Fracking is controversial in the same way immunizations are controversial. Dumb people whine about it.

I'm laughing to myself, because you're drinking the water you're so keen on polluting.  Keep on chugging, bro.


Jenny McCarthy is laughing at all the "fools" who pollute their kids body with harmful vaccines. I guess you have to be a moron to get the joke.
 
2014-01-10 04:51:10 PM

Mrbogey: vicioushobbit: Mrbogey: Dusk-You-n-Me: "Our country cannot survive without oil and gas," OOGEEP's Ron Grosjean told the Wooster, Ohio, Daily Record.

Yes it can.

Do you live petroleum free?

Fracking is controversial in the same way immunizations are controversial. Dumb people whine about it.

I'm laughing to myself, because you're drinking the water you're so keen on polluting.  Keep on chugging, bro.

Jenny McCarthy is laughing at all the "fools" who pollute their kids body with harmful vaccines. I guess you have to be a moron to get the joke.


I guess I WOULD have to be a moron to get your joke. I certainly didn't expect you to laugh along with mine, that's part of what tickled me to begin with.

/immunizations and Jenny McCarthy are a completely different story
//but immunizations data availability and risks are exactly like that for fracking, amirite?
 
2014-01-10 05:38:22 PM

vicioushobbit: Mrbogey: vicioushobbit: Mrbogey: Dusk-You-n-Me: "Our country cannot survive without oil and gas," OOGEEP's Ron Grosjean told the Wooster, Ohio, Daily Record.

Yes it can.

Do you live petroleum free?

Fracking is controversial in the same way immunizations are controversial. Dumb people whine about it.

I'm laughing to myself, because you're drinking the water you're so keen on polluting.  Keep on chugging, bro.

Jenny McCarthy is laughing at all the "fools" who pollute their kids body with harmful vaccines. I guess you have to be a moron to get the joke.

I guess I WOULD have to be a moron to get your joke. I certainly didn't expect you to laugh along with mine, that's part of what tickled me to begin with.

/immunizations and Jenny McCarthy are a completely different story
//but immunizations data availability and risks are exactly like that for fracking, amirite?


fracking is safer than immunizations so theres that.
 
2014-01-10 05:39:47 PM

Car_Ramrod: jigger: "The sole intent of the collaboration between Radio Disney and the nonprofit Rocking in Ohio educational initiative was to foster kids' interest in science and technology."

[www.blahblahblahg.com image 457x584]

Teaching one side of an issue (aka: fracking is amazing and helps everyone and has no negative consequences) is not science. It's propaganda. Teach the whole issue, and there's no problem. However, I doubt that'll happen since this was sponsored by the oil & gas companies.



controversy.wearscience.com
 
2014-01-10 06:10:51 PM
simpsonswiki.com
 
2014-01-10 06:23:58 PM

cousin-merle: [simpsonswiki.com image 250x209]


Damnit, someone beat me to it.
 
2014-01-10 06:26:20 PM

Car_Ramrod: "Our country cannot survive without oil and gas," OOGEEP's Ron Grosjean told the Wooster, Ohio, Daily Record. "Kids are the best way (to spread the message). They retain (the information); they remember it.

... They don't question it, so we can avoid talking about any of the negatives and present pure propaganda. Hook them when they're young."


Yeah, that quote was a little disturbing.

I don't mind fracking per se, I just wish the fracking companies were more open and transparent about what they actually do.

Answering questions like that with "mind your own business" isn't exactly going to win people over.
 
2014-01-10 06:28:12 PM

Mrbogey: fracking is safer than immunizations so theres that.


I would be genuinely interested to hear if you have objective data supporting that statement or if you're saying it because of truthiness.
 
2014-01-10 06:28:48 PM

Mrbogey: vicioushobbit: Mrbogey: vicioushobbit: Mrbogey: Dusk-You-n-Me: "Our country cannot survive without oil and gas," OOGEEP's Ron Grosjean told the Wooster, Ohio, Daily Record.

Yes it can.

Do you live petroleum free?

Fracking is controversial in the same way immunizations are controversial. Dumb people whine about it.

I'm laughing to myself, because you're drinking the water you're so keen on polluting.  Keep on chugging, bro.

Jenny McCarthy is laughing at all the "fools" who pollute their kids body with harmful vaccines. I guess you have to be a moron to get the joke.

I guess I WOULD have to be a moron to get your joke. I certainly didn't expect you to laugh along with mine, that's part of what tickled me to begin with.

/immunizations and Jenny McCarthy are a completely different story
//but immunizations data availability and risks are exactly like that for fracking, amirite?

fracking is safer than immunizations so theres that.


I'll totes take your word on that.  Have a great day! (I'm battling an infection that can't be placed, so I know I won't)
 
2014-01-10 08:13:44 PM
So Al Jazeera America is a better news source than CNN?
 
2014-01-10 09:02:58 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Mrbogey: Do you live petroleum free?

Not at the moment, no. But this isn't about me. America could be petroleum free. It's only a matter of political will.


What's preventing you from leading by example?
 
2014-01-10 09:38:07 PM

uutan: So Al Jazeera America is a better news source than CNN?


At this point, a teenage girl's Twitter feed is a better news source than CNN.
 
2014-01-10 09:44:27 PM

GoldSpider: What's preventing you from leading by example?


It's not about me. This is the same "well you can send a check to the IRS then" argument. That doesn't fix the problem. Participation does not negate grievance. It's the same reason the "well you shouldn't use roads then" argument shouldn't be used against Libertarians.
 
2014-01-10 09:54:55 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: GoldSpider: What's preventing you from leading by example?

It's not about me. This is the same "well you can send a check to the IRS then" argument. That doesn't fix the problem. Participation does not negate grievance. It's the same reason the "well you shouldn't use roads then" argument shouldn't be used against Libertarians.


Since you mentioned political will, what you said is like insisting your candidate can win, but that you'll be damned if you'll get off your ass and vote for him.
 
2014-01-10 10:04:52 PM

GoldSpider: Since you mentioned political will, what you said is like insisting your candidate can win, but that you'll be damned if you'll get off your ass and vote for him.


No it isn't. I do what I can within the constraints of my situation. America does not need petroleum, we can completely transition off of it. It would not be easy nor quick. It would take large scale organized and accountable action that only the government can provide. Which is why it's silly to question my credentials on the subject. This problem is larger than any one individual's choices.
 
2014-01-10 11:01:45 PM

Hickory-smoked: Mrbogey: fracking is safer than immunizations so theres that.

I would be genuinely interested to hear if you have objective data supporting that statement or if you're saying it because of truthiness.


There's been no evidence of direct contamination of drinking water by fracking. As such that makes the act of fracking have no health impact on the populace. Immunizations do have an extremely low but still existent risk. I suppose if we expanded the health factors to include workers killed in industrial accidents and accidental leaks of chemicals during storage and transport we could find some health effects. Otherwise it's essentially zero.
 
2014-01-11 12:12:12 AM

GoldSpider: Dusk-You-n-Me: Mrbogey: Do you live petroleum free?
Not at the moment, no. But this isn't about me. America could be petroleum free. It's only a matter of political will.
What's preventing you from leading by example?


Because no one would follow, and would make fun of him on internet forums and in real life? How come you aren't doing anything amazing with your life, making an example of yourself? It doesn't matter if anyone notices or not, you have principles.
 
2014-01-11 12:15:40 AM
Disney shilling for the oil industry is nothing new. I went to EPCOT shortly after it had opened. One of their little shows was called "The Water Engine". It featured an avuncular Texan who explained how the internal combustion engine powered by petroleum was still the only way to go while using sillier characters advocating every other possible alternative in ridiculous fashion.
 
2014-01-11 12:35:52 AM

Silly_Sot: Disney shilling for the oil industry is nothing new. I went to EPCOT shortly after it had opened. One of their little shows was called "The Water Engine". It featured an avuncular Texan who explained how the internal combustion engine powered by petroleum was still the only way to go while using sillier characters advocating every other possible alternative in ridiculous fashion.


Is that the ride that is sponsored by Exxon?
 
2014-01-11 12:51:39 PM

Mrbogey: Hickory-smoked: Mrbogey: fracking is safer than immunizations so theres that.

I would be genuinely interested to hear if you have objective data supporting that statement or if you're saying it because of truthiness.

There's been no evidence of direct contamination of drinking water by fracking. As such that makes the act of fracking have no health impact on the populace. Immunizations do have an extremely low but still existent risk. I suppose if we expanded the health factors to include workers killed in industrial accidents and accidental leaks of chemicals during storage and transport we could find some health effects. Otherwise it's essentially zero.


I'll repeat myself; Can you provide actual data or studies that you can quote, here, that support your statement?
 
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