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(The New York Times)   Family of 91-year-old woman who died during the George Washington Bridge lane closures not blaming NJ Governor Christie for her death because everyone has a time for dying and hers was meant to be in a traffic jam   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2014-01-10 11:45:30 AM  
6 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.

Doctors HATE lawsuits.  Which is why I never ask my doctor for legal advice.


Some doctors love them. Because they make a lot of money from lawyers who hire them. You don't want to ask those doctors for medical advice, either.
2014-01-10 01:38:31 PM  
5 votes:
"What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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2014-01-10 11:31:33 AM  
4 votes:
How big was the brown paper bag they got yesterday?
2014-01-10 10:33:04 AM  
3 votes:
Not blaming him is even better. Makes them look super nice and makes Christie look like an even bigger bastard.
2014-01-10 03:03:36 PM  
2 votes:
This "scandal" has already been taken to stupid levels.  When you start hunting for people who died "because" of a scandal, you've gone of the crazy end.

-> Benghazi.
2014-01-10 03:02:26 PM  
2 votes:
dittybopper:"The response time was only shortened by the fact that they were heading to the accident scene to assist when dispatched" to Ms. Genova, the letter says.


LOL. Hey buddy. Sorry that you wasted all of that text. What that comment meant was that BECAUSE OF the traffic jam, the ambulance would not have been able to get to her in 7 minutes, but they got to her in that amount of time because they were already dispatched to an accident. This means, had they been at the firehouse/hospital when they received the call to assist the heart attack victim, it would have taken them even longer. Your quote killed your point.
2014-01-10 02:33:38 PM  
2 votes:
Does it matter? The point was that emergency vehicle couldn't reach where they're needed the most because of the traffic jams created out of political pettiness.
2014-01-10 01:53:43 PM  
2 votes:

AeAe: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?


Chile in the 80's made some wonderful contributions to the world

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2014-01-10 01:46:57 PM  
2 votes:

doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?
2014-01-10 01:42:16 PM  
2 votes:
Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.
2014-01-10 11:32:09 AM  
2 votes:

Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.


~~It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth as much as a living, severely-maimed plaintiff. However, if it's a long slow agonizing death, as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, the value can rise considerably. A dead adult in his 20s is generally worth less than one who is middle aged. A dead woman less than a dead man. A single adult less than one who's married. Black less than white. Poor less than rich. The perfect victim is a white male professional, 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, struck down in his prime. And the most imperfect? Well, in the calculus of personal injury law, a dead child is worth the least of all.
-A Civil Action
2014-01-10 03:38:43 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Pangea: DROxINxTHExWIND: I like the use of adjectives to drive home the point that there was absolutely NOTHING that could have been done differently and NOTHING that would have changed this woman's fate. You all claim to know that for a fact. But according to you, even if she could have been revived had they gotten to her earlier, fark it because she's 91 and the family wants it all to go away. I'm also impressed with the number of Farkers who seem to have intimate knowledge of her wishes to die unless she had a certain quality of life and your ability to predict how she would have lived, had she been saved.

You keep focusing on the "belief" of the family. I never mentioned a DNR, so don't use those other posts in an effort to discredit mine.

You continue to neglect the medical opinion of the highly-trained professionals that arrived on-scene, and subsequently determined that calling life-flight was unnecessary because she was already dead.

This is you second-guessing trained-professionals who were actually there. Something could have been done differently if they had determined something else would have a chance to save her.

I'm not moved. By their very nature, investigations second guess the decisions of everyone who was involved in a process. EFTs don't fark up now? Maybe they didn't need to call the chopper in because they got there too late? Is that a possibility?



LOL. I have one screen on Fark and the other on work. Sometimes they mix. Hopefully, I'll never accidentally call my boss a n00b or a bigot because I got my monitors crossed.


/accountant
2014-01-10 03:21:34 PM  
1 vote:
Man, the paid GOP shills are coming out of the woodwork.
2014-01-10 03:16:28 PM  
1 vote:

Cymbal: On the other hand there was no investigation into this woman's death, at least nothing in depth


How much more "Investigation" do you want? She was found looking very dead at the scene while lying on the bathroom floor for an indeterminate time before then. The hospital, soon after she arrived, declared her dead from a heart attack. All of the evidence supports the idea that she was dead before the ambulance even got to her. What do you suggest be done beyond that? Perhaps that Booth and  Saroyan go dig her up in NJ, take her to the Jeffersonian so Bones and the Squints pour over her body looking for the clue that it was anything else but that? Maybe get CSINYNJ to do an in depth analysis of all possible ambulance routes and maybe use their computers to "Enhance" traffic cam footage in order to measure the gap between vehicles using 3D lasers and shiat to see if it might have been shortened by a few yards? People die of heart attack all of the time, especially at 91 years of age. They won't even cut them open, at most they will just do a blood test looking for the chemistry that indicates a heart attack. That's it.
2014-01-10 03:13:15 PM  
1 vote:
All sorts of docs just put up. Emails in appendix sections. Loading rather slowly at the moment.

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2014-01-10 03:11:35 PM  
1 vote:
They do seem awfully eager to say that it's no big deal, they don't blame the governor, and the late woman voted for him...I wonder if someone had a little chat with them first.
2014-01-10 03:04:46 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.


The paramedics did reach her. They couldn't revive her at her house. She was dead then. They couldn't get her dead body back to the hospital for the official ruling of "dead" because a doctor has to sign that form.

If there was any chance that she was "holding on, fighting through" they could have summoned a helicopter to lifeflight her while stuck on the bridge.  They didn't get caught in traffic trying to get to her for the emergency call. Is that unclear?

You might as well be screaming for an investigation into the paramedics, in case they were unable to recognize signs of life in a non-responsive, 91 year old who just had a massive heart-attack and couldn't be revived.
2014-01-10 03:04:22 PM  
1 vote:

I_C_Weener: Cymbal: what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.

I don't think it sounds absurd at all. A woman died, her age is irrelevant.

But I could see how someone without empathy would think he sounds absurd.

So, you care about everyone who died?  What about drone strikes on weddings in foreign countries?  Lets investigate it.  And Benghazi-gate...and the number of soldiers who have died in Afghanstan after our mission to kill OBL was accomplished?  Or are you just looking at this death different?


I don't care about everyone who dies, I care about the truth. Which is always obfuscated in this day and age. But to answer your questions, yes, drone strikes on weddings should be investigated. And Benghazi was investigated, and rightly so. It just wasn't investigated thoroughly enough to satisfy the loons in the GOP, and it probably never will. On the other hand there was no investigation into this woman's death, at least nothing in depth. Why are you so quick to write it off because she was old, or because we should respect family wishes?
2014-01-10 03:03:22 PM  
1 vote:

umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.

lol because you need an autopsy to be able to tell if somebody is dead. Do you even know what a farking autopsy is? Specifically, when they are performed? You should probably ask a rocket surgeon, because you don't know shiat about shiat.



We're talking about time of death. blockhead. Try to keep up.
2014-01-10 02:58:08 PM  
1 vote:
2014-01-10 02:56:42 PM  
1 vote:

Whatchoo Talkinbout: IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?
InterruptingQuirk: ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.

What are you talking about?

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She has a face?


Here, I'll prove it to you.

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2014-01-10 02:55:52 PM  
1 vote:

Cymbal: Everything should be investigated thoroughly, especially something like this. And especially something like 9/11.


You must have missed where I said "it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it". This was being said almost immediately afterwards because it was pretty obvious on it's face. The investigations as to how the more exact structural failures happened did need to be done to prevent future engineers from making the same mistakes but the fact that it was airplanes and fires that caused it was pretty obvious even to the layman.

That was my point, that the people who were there saw a dead person and even though they weren't doctors could still somehow figure out that they were looking at a dead person in the house (not in the ambulance, in the house). Cause of death, maybe they had a good idea maybe not depending if they saw her clutch her chest and keel over or not. But here's the thing. An autopsy is not going to be able to determine if a couple of minutes would have made the difference in the case of a fatal heart attack. All it can do at best is determine the cause of death and, in the case of a heart attack just how severe it was. So then you look at what you do have, and what we do have is a statement from the people who were there that she looked dead to them before the ambulance arrived. That's it, that's where the investigation ends. It happens every day all across the land.
2014-01-10 02:53:57 PM  
1 vote:

what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.

You forgot this quote. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

"It took a Fort Lee E.M.S. crew seven minutes to reach Ms. Genova, after they were detoured away from the traffic accident."


So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.

No, she died on the day that she had a heart attack. Look, this family DOES NOT WANT you to use their dead family member to further your agenda.

Christie is a cock and there will be PLENTY of stories about people he farked over- people who suffered in ambulances, people who didn't get a job because they were late to an interview, people who lost jobs for being late, lost wages, missed flights, missed doctors appointments etc.

Respect this family's wishes.


LOL. My agenda. Yeah, ok. I'm on the internet trying to drum up support for a revolt against Christie, from DC because I'm  nervous about Clintons chances two years from now. Seems logical. I guess we should now only investigate possible crimes if the family of the deceased signs off on it.
2014-01-10 02:52:51 PM  
1 vote:
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2014-01-10 02:50:47 PM  
1 vote:

AeAe: KAVORKA: 91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.

So if a 91 year old has a heart attack, how about let's just let them die - does that work for you?


Yes, depending on the circumstances.  A 91 year old that is conscious while having a myocardial infarction should obviously be treated, if that is the patient's wish.  A 91 year old in cardiac arrest (as this lady was on scene), has a 1 percent chance of survival to discharge if she has a shockable heart rhythm upon EMS arrival.  Since this was an unwitnessed arrest (daughter found her mother in the bathroom after she didn't come out), it is overwhelmingly likely that she was in asystole and nothing, not even an ambulance with a 30 second response time, was going to allow that woman to walk out of a hospital. She died in the house and shouldn't have even been transported to the emergency room (I'm not familiar with NJ EMS protocols but here in Idaho she would have been pronounced on scene and not transported).
2014-01-10 02:48:52 PM  
1 vote:

Cymbal: what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.

I don't think it sounds absurd at all. A woman died, her age is irrelevant.

But I could see how someone without empathy would think he sounds absurd.


So, you care about everyone who died?  What about drone strikes on weddings in foreign countries?  Lets investigate it.  And Benghazi-gate...and the number of soldiers who have died in Afghanstan after our mission to kill OBL was accomplished?  Or are you just looking at this death different?
2014-01-10 02:46:20 PM  
1 vote:
What if it had been a fully licensed and functioning heart surgeon who was delayed to the hospital?  Or if the bridge collapsed from the weight of the signs closing two lanes of traffic?  I'm just asking that it all be investigated.
2014-01-10 02:45:54 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: "We believe she died in her home, but they couldn't pronounce her until she got to the hospital," said Ms. Oleri's husband, Frank Oleri. "The traffic didn't make any difference."


I will use a guess as the basis for my assertion. Lets see if anyone notices.


That is not really a guess, it's like an opinion man. Wasn't there, but someone with no discernible heartbeat or breathing would be believed to have died. Sure there might still be some brain activity, but for all intents and purposes, she died in the can... they are probably like 99% she was dead, but they are not MEs, it's not like picking any number 1 through 10.

In any event, WSJ actually had it right when they said, "Compared to using the IRS against political opponents, closing traffic lanes is jaywalking." This is a stupid and petty act by a big fatso; however, living in MN, I couldn't care less and it's certainly not worthy of all this attention.
2014-01-10 02:44:26 PM  
1 vote:

Cymbal: Radioactive Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?

So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!

Everything should be investigated thoroughly, especially something like this. And especially something like 9/11.

Why are you so quick to take everything at face value?


I want the Mythbusters investigated for passing off showmanship and explosives as science.
2014-01-10 02:43:03 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.


I think what most people are saying is that it appears the family believe that not only was she dead, and if she survived it would have been in pain and misery (and still would have ended up killing the majority of 91 year olds).  Also, trying to turn her into a matyr for what happened is probably something her family doesn't want (or want to have to deal with).
2014-01-10 02:41:00 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


Protocols are such that unless it is an obvious cause of death - head no longer attached to neck - then it requires to "officially" declare someone dead.  First responders, EMT's and or paramedics may be able to discern that but they can't declare it.  Until you're officially declared dead you're technically still alive.  Therefore, when they left the house without a Dr. present she could not be declared dead.  Yes, they could have called the hospital, conferred with a Dr. and have her declared that way.

Even if they perform a full investigation I seriously doubt any medical professional would be able to state with absolute certainty that yes, had the ambulance been there 3 minutes sooner this woman would be alive today playing tennis, rock climbing and bedding down sailors all day long.  Even if they were able to beam her directly from her home to the hospital its likely that she would still be dead today.

Life is precious but people need to stop making the only measure the length of time a person's here on earth.  Consider quality of life.  Karen Ann Quinlan lived for years comatose in a hospital bed but darn it, she was technically alive so she was winning.  No she wasn't.  People need to have the option to go out on their own terms.
2014-01-10 02:39:33 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


And they might have believed that because she stopped breathing and didn't have a pulse.
2014-01-10 02:38:04 PM  
1 vote:
LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.



LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.
2014-01-10 02:36:19 PM  
1 vote:

Radioactive Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?

So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!


He's just asking questions.  Why won't Christie deny shooting her between the eyes?
2014-01-10 02:35:28 PM  
1 vote:

I alone am best: This just in, it is now your fault if your staffer does something wrong.

/Until it happens to Obama.
//Then it is going to belong to Bush.


If your staff does something wrong, and you at first refuse to acknowledge that there was a four-day disruption of traffic on the busiest bridge in the world -- so bad that it makes national news -- and don't answer phone calls related to that, and none of your staff or cronies answer calls related to that even when it's their job, and then you say unequivocally that your staff had absolutely nothing to do with it, that it was a just a traffic study when there exists no evidence whatsoever for such a study, and you belligerently mock a reporter who suggests otherwise...

Right, nothing to see here.
2014-01-10 02:32:46 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?


So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!

2014-01-10 02:32:23 PM  
1 vote:
I agree with both stances, oddly enough.  The bridge traffic scandal is both really bad, and also trying to turn it into a life-or-death thing for added political drama ratings value is pretty disgusting.  It's like we take every political event and instantly try to turn it into a reality show.  Benghazi in reverse.
2014-01-10 02:30:14 PM  
1 vote:

ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.


What are you talking about?

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2014-01-10 02:26:24 PM  
1 vote:
This just in, it is now your fault if your staffer does something wrong.

/Until it happens to Obama.
//Then it is going to belong to Bush.
2014-01-10 02:21:02 PM  
1 vote:

sign_of_Zeta: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.

I think what the family is most likely thinking is she was appeared to be dead at the scene, and that a seemingly lifeless woman having a heart attack and arriving a few minutes sooner still would have had to have her chest cracked open and a bypass.  The likelihood of someone surviving that and having any sort of quality of life at 91 is bad.  The family probably thinks that her passing away was the best option, and dredging it up will do more harm than good.


AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.
2014-01-10 02:17:46 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


And in most places not rural only a doctor can declare someone dead, even if they are clearly and without a doubt dead. Like blue in the face, post rigor dead even. As such she could only be declared dead at the hospital (because the ME\coroner wasn't sent to her home which is usually the other way it can work out) no matter when she actually died. Meanwhile apparently the people who were there can tell when someone is dead. Heart not beating, no breathing, lifeless eyes... you know... what us non-doctors would call dead even if we didn't have the official piece of paper signed by the doctor making it a legal fact yet.

But you go on with your bad self.
2014-01-10 02:17:41 PM  
1 vote:

InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.
2014-01-10 02:11:04 PM  
1 vote:

Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed? What is this speculation based on?

/the ones who have been caught orchestrating it should be in jail though


Since September he's been saying, "trust me, absolutely nobody in my administration had anything to do with closing lanes for anything buy totally legit reasons, like a traffic study." Then this week it turns out that was completely untrue, and that the person who ordered the closing wasn't some low ranking staff member, but his deputy chief of staff.

But you're ready to take him at his word that he wasn't involved, that he never told his staff to screw with the Mayor of Fort Lee because he refused to endorse him?
2014-01-10 02:06:49 PM  
1 vote:
Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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2014-01-10 02:04:34 PM  
1 vote:
Oh, stop it. Such a blatant abuse of power affecting so many people over a petty political grudge may not be unique or unusual in politics, but its revelation is. And you know that. You make me tired.

b-b-b-ut BENGHAZI!!!!
2014-01-10 02:01:54 PM  
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I wouldn't want to be used as a political football either.
2014-01-10 02:01:33 PM  
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doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


They've finally got something to talk about other than the epic and continuing fail of Obamacare, so it's understandable that they'll flog this for all it's worth. For me, I say let the NJ AG and feds, should they so desire, investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone who violated the law, which is how these things are supposed to be handled.
2014-01-10 01:58:27 PM  
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img.fark.netAeAe: InterruptingQuirk: AeAe: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?

Chile in the 80's made some wonderful contributions to the world

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I was referencing Pinochet.


I know
2014-01-10 01:52:40 PM  
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This going to take a toll on Christie.
2014-01-10 01:48:46 PM  
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Fano: I think I saw this Twilight Zone. Isn't Christie doomed to be the ambulance driver for all eternity?


Either that, or the ambulance drivers cooked her, and served her to Christie right before an atomic blast destroyed all the forks, which wasn't fair, because there was time now. Time for all the food in the world.
2014-01-10 01:47:50 PM  
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kbronsito: ~~It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth as much as a living, severely-maimed plaintiff. However, if it's a long slow agonizing death, as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, the value can rise considerably. A dead adult in his 20s is generally worth less than one who is middle aged. A dead woman less than a dead man. A single adult less than one who's married. Black less than white. Poor less than rich. The perfect victim is a white male professional, 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, struck down in his prime. And the most imperfect? Well, in the calculus of personal injury law, a dead child is worth the least of all.
-A Civil Action


Great book - shaitty movie.
2014-01-10 01:44:07 PM  
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Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"


Win!
2014-01-10 01:44:06 PM  
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doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


so what you're saying is both sides are bad so trolololol
2014-01-10 01:43:13 PM  
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Chances of proving guilt legally and getting paid quickly without a media circus:  very, very low.

Chances of the Penguin sending some goons to break your kneecaps:  high enough to let it go
2014-01-10 01:36:14 PM  
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It was a 91-year-old woman who had a heart attack. They're probably right.
2014-01-10 01:27:11 PM  
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Maybe they don't want their family involved, in any way, with the media circus this will inevitably turn into.
2014-01-10 01:24:12 PM  
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Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality read the last three sentences of the article.


FTFM. The old woman with the failing memory voted for Christie a few years ago. The daughter could also be a Christie fan or perhaps just wants to honor her mother's inclination for supporting him.

A distant, third possibility is the daughter isn't a money-grubbing sue-hound and is taking the high road.

All are acceptable reasons, IMO, for not suing over the death of a 91-year-old because...

"We believe she died in her home, but they couldn't pronounce her until she got to the hospital," said Ms. Oleri's husband, Frank Oleri. "The traffic didn't make any difference."
2014-01-10 12:23:30 PM  
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Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.

Doctors HATE lawsuits.  Which is why I never ask my doctor for legal advice.

Some doctors love them. Because they make a lot of money from lawyers who hire them. You don't want to ask those doctors for medical advice, either.


Ha. I know some of those. They are often very rich, and fairly crazy. Even as an attorney, I get chills from the smell of brimstone when they approach.
2014-01-10 11:08:50 AM  
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Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.


Doctors HATE lawsuits.  Which is why I never ask my doctor for legal advice.
 
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