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(The New York Times)   Family of 91-year-old woman who died during the George Washington Bridge lane closures not blaming NJ Governor Christie for her death because everyone has a time for dying and hers was meant to be in a traffic jam   (nytimes.com) divider line 229
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2014-01-10 02:31:32 PM  

AeAe: omgrtfa: FTFA: "She voted for Christie," Ms. Oleri said.

"Elections have consequences" - Rand Paul

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And ironically, Christie's office shut down the bridge preventing the EMS from getting to her.

But she was old anyway so no big deal, right?


If manslaughter is no big deal then, yes.
 
2014-01-10 02:32:09 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I_C_Weener: DROxINxTHExWIND: AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.

She must have been an awful person for them not to want to sue.  That, or they have come to terms with her loss and want to move EVEN IF YOU WANT TO DRAG THEM BACK INTO IT!!!!

Small minds think alike. I never mentioned a civil suit or that they should do anything. I said their mother's dead warrants an investigation, whether they want to hold Christie accountable or not. Not sure if you know this, but if a crime was committed it doesn't matter what the family thinks. And if it can be proven that this woman could have been helped if first responders had gotten to her earlier the case can be made that the people who caused this are liable. If its determined that she was dead, then she was dead and this part goes away. Not sure why you all are so intent on dismissing it because the woman was old. That's stupid to me. While we're at it, lets stop prosecuting crimes against old people since they're just about to die anyway.


SHHHH.  You are going to determine that they gave her that heart attack.  All the grand kids popping around corners screaming, "I'm voting Republican!!!!"  They did this in an attempt to get that sweet sweet life insurance money.
 
2014-01-10 02:32:23 PM  
I agree with both stances, oddly enough.  The bridge traffic scandal is both really bad, and also trying to turn it into a life-or-death thing for added political drama ratings value is pretty disgusting.  It's like we take every political event and instantly try to turn it into a reality show.  Benghazi in reverse.
 
2014-01-10 02:32:46 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?


So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!

 
2014-01-10 02:33:09 PM  

IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?


I thought they did and it was the Republicans cut the funding, wasn't it?
 
2014-01-10 02:33:38 PM  
Does it matter? The point was that emergency vehicle couldn't reach where they're needed the most because of the traffic jams created out of political pettiness.
 
2014-01-10 02:35:28 PM  

I alone am best: This just in, it is now your fault if your staffer does something wrong.

/Until it happens to Obama.
//Then it is going to belong to Bush.


If your staff does something wrong, and you at first refuse to acknowledge that there was a four-day disruption of traffic on the busiest bridge in the world -- so bad that it makes national news -- and don't answer phone calls related to that, and none of your staff or cronies answer calls related to that even when it's their job, and then you say unequivocally that your staff had absolutely nothing to do with it, that it was a just a traffic study when there exists no evidence whatsoever for such a study, and you belligerently mock a reporter who suggests otherwise...

Right, nothing to see here.
 
2014-01-10 02:35:38 PM  
Next thing you know he'll be using the IRS to target his opponents..surprised uncle bammy hasn't pulled that one yet (oh wait).
 
2014-01-10 02:36:03 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.

You forgot this quote. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

"It took a Fort Lee E.M.S. crew seven minutes to reach Ms. Genova, after they were detoured away from the traffic accident."


So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.


No, she died on the day that she had a heart attack. Look, this family DOES NOT WANT you to use their dead family member to further your agenda.

Christie is a cock and there will be PLENTY of stories about people he farked over- people who suffered in ambulances, people who didn't get a job because they were late to an interview, people who lost jobs for being late, lost wages, missed flights, missed doctors appointments etc.

Respect this family's wishes.
 
2014-01-10 02:36:19 PM  

Radioactive Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?

So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!


He's just asking questions.  Why won't Christie deny shooting her between the eyes?
 
2014-01-10 02:36:51 PM  
I live in the farking boondocks and even we have an emergency helicopter at the hospital.  Time for those Yankees to join the 21st Century.
 
2014-01-10 02:38:04 PM  
LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.



LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.
 
2014-01-10 02:38:23 PM  

Radioactive Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?

So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!


Everything should be investigated thoroughly, especially something like this. And especially something like 9/11.

Why are you so quick to take everything at face value?
 
2014-01-10 02:39:05 PM  

IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.

What are you talking about?

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She has a face?
 
2014-01-10 02:39:33 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


And they might have believed that because she stopped breathing and didn't have a pulse.
 
2014-01-10 02:40:24 PM  
Lets not forget that Christie's HS buddy is the guy at the port authority that made this happen. A job Christie created out of thin air once elected that has no job description and pays $150,000/year with pension and benefits.

So we have political revenge because the Mayor of Fort Lee a democrat didn't want to back a republican for Gov. against his party etc. So Christie's folks shut down the ramps to the GW Bridge and cause a bunch of BS to a bunch of people that had nothing to do with either of them, Had kids getting to School at 11AM instead of 8 or 9 and causing traffic nightmares for anyone trying to get over the bridge. They then stonewalled when the folks from across the bridge in NY wanted answers. Cuomo was getting stonewalled as well and none of this came out until subpoenas started getting sent out
 
2014-01-10 02:40:35 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.


You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.
 
2014-01-10 02:41:00 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


Protocols are such that unless it is an obvious cause of death - head no longer attached to neck - then it requires to "officially" declare someone dead.  First responders, EMT's and or paramedics may be able to discern that but they can't declare it.  Until you're officially declared dead you're technically still alive.  Therefore, when they left the house without a Dr. present she could not be declared dead.  Yes, they could have called the hospital, conferred with a Dr. and have her declared that way.

Even if they perform a full investigation I seriously doubt any medical professional would be able to state with absolute certainty that yes, had the ambulance been there 3 minutes sooner this woman would be alive today playing tennis, rock climbing and bedding down sailors all day long.  Even if they were able to beam her directly from her home to the hospital its likely that she would still be dead today.

Life is precious but people need to stop making the only measure the length of time a person's here on earth.  Consider quality of life.  Karen Ann Quinlan lived for years comatose in a hospital bed but darn it, she was technically alive so she was winning.  No she wasn't.  People need to have the option to go out on their own terms.
 
2014-01-10 02:41:48 PM  

AeAe: KAVORKA: 91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.

So if a 91 year old has a heart attack, how about let's just let them die - does that work for you?


Being in the healthcare industry, sometimes that is the path people take. DNR is code for "do not resuscitate", used for those who are usually very old, frail, and/or have weighed the consequences of CPR.

By the way, CPR is brutal on the elderly. I have heard plenty of ribs crack in a nurses attempt to revive a patient whose family had not acceptedthat their loved one was close to leaving us. Ribs can puncture lungs, leading to even more issues. Quality of life becomes a bigger issue if the patient survived but is now a vegetable, waiting for family to pull the plug as they sit in their meat prison.

CPR is not like the movies, where puffing 5 or 6 times magically brings them back to full function, and age is often a factor to what quality of life they may have even on the off chance that CPR does work. But that's on an individual basis, and the family must weigh the benefits and ills of attempting that procedure. It sounds like the family was ready for this.

/Christie is still an arse, though
 
2014-01-10 02:42:39 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people.


They're so interesting.
 
2014-01-10 02:43:03 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.


I think what most people are saying is that it appears the family believe that not only was she dead, and if she survived it would have been in pain and misery (and still would have ended up killing the majority of 91 year olds).  Also, trying to turn her into a matyr for what happened is probably something her family doesn't want (or want to have to deal with).
 
2014-01-10 02:43:16 PM  
My guess is the family has to commute to NYC and they don't want to provoke any further 'traffic studies'.
 
2014-01-10 02:43:23 PM  

AeAe: KAVORKA: 91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.
So if a 91 year old has a heart attack, how about let's just let them die - does that work for you?


When my mother had a second heart attack just shy of her 80th birthday, she said she was fine, refused to go to the doctor, and died peacefully sitting on the couch at my sister's. We knew she'd had a heart attack. She knew she'd had a heart attack. She didn't want to go through another heart surgery at her age, one she knew she'd never really recover from. That was her choice and it was not our business to make her live crippled up and sick for however much longer she would have had.

People farking die, every damn one of us. the old lady would have died, probably sooner rather than later. If this forces some kind of existential crisis on you to think about this, maybe you need religion or something.
 
2014-01-10 02:43:53 PM  
My mother had a heart attack while dancing in a club.  She lingered on as a vegetable for a week in the hospital, never opening her eyes.

I prefer to believe that my mother dropped dead on the dance floor.  Recovery after that was just never going to happen.
 
2014-01-10 02:44:26 PM  

Cymbal: Radioactive Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?

So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!

Everything should be investigated thoroughly, especially something like this. And especially something like 9/11.

Why are you so quick to take everything at face value?


I want the Mythbusters investigated for passing off showmanship and explosives as science.
 
2014-01-10 02:44:40 PM  

kbronsito: Not blaming him is even better. Makes them look super nice and makes Christie look like an even bigger bastard.


Nope just you.
 
2014-01-10 02:44:52 PM  
Speaking as a Torontonian, I'm just glad you've got a fat, corrupt douchebag right-winger to take attention away from our fat, corrupt douchebag right-winger.
 
2014-01-10 02:45:54 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: "We believe she died in her home, but they couldn't pronounce her until she got to the hospital," said Ms. Oleri's husband, Frank Oleri. "The traffic didn't make any difference."


I will use a guess as the basis for my assertion. Lets see if anyone notices.


That is not really a guess, it's like an opinion man. Wasn't there, but someone with no discernible heartbeat or breathing would be believed to have died. Sure there might still be some brain activity, but for all intents and purposes, she died in the can... they are probably like 99% she was dead, but they are not MEs, it's not like picking any number 1 through 10.

In any event, WSJ actually had it right when they said, "Compared to using the IRS against political opponents, closing traffic lanes is jaywalking." This is a stupid and petty act by a big fatso; however, living in MN, I couldn't care less and it's certainly not worthy of all this attention.
 
2014-01-10 02:46:20 PM  
What if it had been a fully licensed and functioning heart surgeon who was delayed to the hospital?  Or if the bridge collapsed from the weight of the signs closing two lanes of traffic?  I'm just asking that it all be investigated.
 
2014-01-10 02:46:50 PM  

what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.


I don't think it sounds absurd at all. A woman died, her age is irrelevant.

But I could see how someone without empathy would think he sounds absurd.
 
2014-01-10 02:46:58 PM  

Valiente: Speaking as a Torontonian, I'm just glad you've got a fat, corrupt douchebag right-winger to take attention away from our fat, corrupt douchebag right-winger.


Can the New Jersey legislature take away Christie's powers and leave him as a large figurehead?
 
2014-01-10 02:47:06 PM  

Donald_McRonald: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people.

They're so interesting.


Truly a season of weather wonders.  I'm agreeing with DRO and hell is frozen over.
 
2014-01-10 02:48:00 PM  

jjorsett: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

They've finally got something to talk about other than the epic and continuing fail of Obamacare, so it's understandable that they'll flog this for all it's worth. For me, I say let the NJ AG and feds, should they so desire, investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone who violated the law, which is how these things are supposed to be handled.


Wow. So this is what it looks like in the Conservative Mind Bubble? Just for the record, I'm the most Libby LiB Socialist Libtard that ever Libbed and I'm proud of Obamacare, I talk about it all the time. I encourage my non-insured friends to sign-up, I LOVE pointing out it's successes (10 million served!) to my mind-numbingly RushBot co-workers...

I'm hoping the Republicans keep talking about it too, it's just free advertising for the legislation. The more they bag on it, on record, the less chance they'll have to suddenly turn around and take credit for it as it continues to be successful.

I love it! OBAMACARE! OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  Say it with me now! OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!
 
2014-01-10 02:48:52 PM  

Cymbal: what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.

I don't think it sounds absurd at all. A woman died, her age is irrelevant.

But I could see how someone without empathy would think he sounds absurd.


So, you care about everyone who died?  What about drone strikes on weddings in foreign countries?  Lets investigate it.  And Benghazi-gate...and the number of soldiers who have died in Afghanstan after our mission to kill OBL was accomplished?  Or are you just looking at this death different?
 
2014-01-10 02:48:58 PM  

Darth Macho: My guess is the family has to commute to NYC and they don't want to provoke any further 'traffic studies'.


As long as Christie is in power many people will not act against him.
 
2014-01-10 02:50:47 PM  

AeAe: KAVORKA: 91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.

So if a 91 year old has a heart attack, how about let's just let them die - does that work for you?


Yes, depending on the circumstances.  A 91 year old that is conscious while having a myocardial infarction should obviously be treated, if that is the patient's wish.  A 91 year old in cardiac arrest (as this lady was on scene), has a 1 percent chance of survival to discharge if she has a shockable heart rhythm upon EMS arrival.  Since this was an unwitnessed arrest (daughter found her mother in the bathroom after she didn't come out), it is overwhelmingly likely that she was in asystole and nothing, not even an ambulance with a 30 second response time, was going to allow that woman to walk out of a hospital. She died in the house and shouldn't have even been transported to the emergency room (I'm not familiar with NJ EMS protocols but here in Idaho she would have been pronounced on scene and not transported).
 
2014-01-10 02:52:08 PM  

Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.


Marcus Aurelius: Not blaming him leaves an awful lot of money on the table.  Just filing the suit should get you a $5k settlement offer.  Looks like they blew it.


I think a wise man said (paraphrase), "Man, just it go.... just let it go...."

Otherwise, Grandman is just going to be used as a poster child in yet another farked up political theatre.
 
2014-01-10 02:52:19 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.

You forgot this quote. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

"It took a Fort Lee E.M.S. crew seven minutes to reach Ms. Genova, after they were detoured away from the traffic accident."



Perhaps you missed this part:

"The response time was only shortened by the fact that they were heading to the accident scene to assist when dispatched" to Ms. Genova, the letter says.
 
So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.


The delay actually may have helped EMS get there earlier.  That 7 minute vs. 4 minute thing was for the original accident they were dispatched to, but they then diverted to Mrs. Genova.

As for the rest, when *IS* a good time for a person to die?

My mother-in-law died in her apartment, on her couch, watching TV one night.  Massive heart attack.  Didn't find her until no one had heard from her for a couple days, and we went to check on her.  She was 50.

Now, a person that age?  I could see being a bit upset in a delay in EMS.  Hell, I'd be farkin' furious.

But a 91 year old woman who lived a full life and who was infirm, half-blind, and who probably wouldn't have survived open heart surgery anyway?

I'm going to chalk that one up to "it was her time".  We should all be lucky enough to live that long.

Believe me, I'd like nothing more than for this to ruin Chris Christie's chance at the Republican nomination, because he's no friend of the Second Amendment, but if this is what you are going to hang your hat on, it's pretty weak sauce.
 
2014-01-10 02:52:51 PM  
www.newyorker.com
 
2014-01-10 02:53:18 PM  

what_now: No, she died on the day that she had a heart attack. Look, this family DOES NOT WANT you to use their dead family member to further your agenda.

Christie is a cock and there will be PLENTY of stories about people he farked over- people who suffered in ambulances, people who didn't get a job because they were late to an interview, people who lost jobs for being late, lost wages, missed flights, missed doctors appointments etc.

Respect this family's wishes.


Very well said.
 
2014-01-10 02:53:57 PM  

what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.

You forgot this quote. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

"It took a Fort Lee E.M.S. crew seven minutes to reach Ms. Genova, after they were detoured away from the traffic accident."


So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.

No, she died on the day that she had a heart attack. Look, this family DOES NOT WANT you to use their dead family member to further your agenda.

Christie is a cock and there will be PLENTY of stories about people he farked over- people who suffered in ambulances, people who didn't get a job because they were late to an interview, people who lost jobs for being late, lost wages, missed flights, missed doctors appointments etc.

Respect this family's wishes.


LOL. My agenda. Yeah, ok. I'm on the internet trying to drum up support for a revolt against Christie, from DC because I'm  nervous about Clintons chances two years from now. Seems logical. I guess we should now only investigate possible crimes if the family of the deceased signs off on it.
 
2014-01-10 02:54:11 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.

The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


They knew she was dead because Obamacare is now a go. Even if she was immediately taken to the hospital, the death panels wouldn't allocate resources to someone of her age.

Stupid farking Libs.
 
2014-01-10 02:54:29 PM  

someonelse: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: I think I saw this Twilight Zone. Isn't Christie doomed to be the ambulance driver for all eternity?

Either that, or the ambulance drivers cooked her, and served her to Christie right before an atomic blast destroyed all the forks, which wasn't fair, because there was time now. Time for all the food in the world.

Dammit. I nearly splorfed a mouthful of lunch all over. Well done.

/ the dead old lady left her grandson a special phone...


Yes but the grandson is safe because traffic is at a standstill.

Creepiest episode ever!
 
2014-01-10 02:55:52 PM  

Cymbal: Everything should be investigated thoroughly, especially something like this. And especially something like 9/11.


You must have missed where I said "it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it". This was being said almost immediately afterwards because it was pretty obvious on it's face. The investigations as to how the more exact structural failures happened did need to be done to prevent future engineers from making the same mistakes but the fact that it was airplanes and fires that caused it was pretty obvious even to the layman.

That was my point, that the people who were there saw a dead person and even though they weren't doctors could still somehow figure out that they were looking at a dead person in the house (not in the ambulance, in the house). Cause of death, maybe they had a good idea maybe not depending if they saw her clutch her chest and keel over or not. But here's the thing. An autopsy is not going to be able to determine if a couple of minutes would have made the difference in the case of a fatal heart attack. All it can do at best is determine the cause of death and, in the case of a heart attack just how severe it was. So then you look at what you do have, and what we do have is a statement from the people who were there that she looked dead to them before the ambulance arrived. That's it, that's where the investigation ends. It happens every day all across the land.
 
2014-01-10 02:56:42 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?
InterruptingQuirk: ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.

What are you talking about?

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She has a face?


Here, I'll prove it to you.

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2014-01-10 02:58:08 PM  
 
2014-01-10 02:59:16 PM  

Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road.

*snerk*

 
2014-01-10 03:00:15 PM  
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die in a traffic jam.
 
2014-01-10 03:00:45 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


lol because you need an autopsy to be able to tell if somebody is dead. Do you even know what a farking autopsy is? Specifically, when they are performed? You should probably ask a rocket surgeon, because you don't know shiat about shiat.
 
2014-01-10 03:01:40 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Donald_McRonald: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people.

They're so interesting.

Truly a season of weather wonders.  I'm agreeing with DRO and hell is frozen over.


Really, you even had a couple of farkers claim that the woman must have been a bad person because her family decided not to sue over this.
 
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