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(The New York Times)   Family of 91-year-old woman who died during the George Washington Bridge lane closures not blaming NJ Governor Christie for her death because everyone has a time for dying and hers was meant to be in a traffic jam   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2014-01-10 01:56:09 PM  
The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?


Par for the course. Political backbiting and traffic jams in New Jersey aren't nation shaking events, no.
 
2014-01-10 01:56:28 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"


Is that the 91 year old that died?
 
2014-01-10 01:56:52 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: AeAe: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?

Chile in the 80's made some wonderful contributions to the world

[www.carlascovers.com image 850x314]


I was referencing Pinochet.
 
2014-01-10 01:56:56 PM  

Diogenes: I spent a month in Secaucus one night.


Are you a time traveler?
 
2014-01-10 01:57:20 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


No proof + no examining doctor saying that she might have lived had she gotten there 4 minutes earlier + 91 years old and a not unreasonable expectation to possibly drop dead at any moment at that age = no lawsuit.
 
2014-01-10 01:57:33 PM  
We have an unknown, but exact number of seconds to live. Lines (and traffic jams) are murder. One second at a time.

/Henry Rollins paraphrase
 
2014-01-10 01:58:27 PM  

img.fark.netAeAe: InterruptingQuirk: AeAe: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?

Chile in the 80's made some wonderful contributions to the world

[www.carlascovers.com image 850x314]

I was referencing Pinochet.


I know
 
2014-01-10 01:59:10 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Fano: I think I saw this Twilight Zone. Isn't Christie doomed to be the ambulance driver for all eternity?

Either that, or the ambulance drivers cooked her, and served her to Christie right before an atomic blast destroyed all the forks, which wasn't fair, because there was time now. Time for all the food in the world.


Dammit. I nearly splorfed a mouthful of lunch all over. Well done.

/ the dead old lady left her grandson a special phone...
 
2014-01-10 02:01:33 PM  

doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


They've finally got something to talk about other than the epic and continuing fail of Obamacare, so it's understandable that they'll flog this for all it's worth. For me, I say let the NJ AG and feds, should they so desire, investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone who violated the law, which is how these things are supposed to be handled.
 
2014-01-10 02:01:54 PM  
I wouldn't want to be used as a political football either.
 
2014-01-10 02:03:29 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: It was a 91-year-old woman who had a heart attack. They're probably right.


yeah. Let her go, man, because she's gone.
 
2014-01-10 02:03:37 PM  

Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed?


I haven't seen any yet, but there is clearly coded language referring to individuals in the emails that everyone involved is being tight-lipped about. Among others, a Mr. Baroni (Christie appointee at the Port Authority) apparently has a lot of explaining to do, and Mr. Wildstein refused to do any of that yesterday.
 
2014-01-10 02:04:34 PM  
Oh, stop it. Such a blatant abuse of power affecting so many people over a petty political grudge may not be unique or unusual in politics, but its revelation is. And you know that. You make me tired.

b-b-b-ut BENGHAZI!!!!
 
2014-01-10 02:04:51 PM  

jjorsett: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

They've finally got something to talk about other than the epic and continuing fail of Obamacare, so it's understandable that they'll flog this for all it's worth. For me, I say let the NJ AG and feds, should they so desire, investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone who violated the law, which is how these things are supposed to be handled.


My insurance premium went down and my benefits stayed the same, as did the majority of my coworkers. So suck it.
 
2014-01-10 02:05:14 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.
 
2014-01-10 02:05:45 PM  

jjorsett: For me, I say let the NJ AG and feds, should they so desire, investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone who violated the law, which is how these things are supposed to be handled.


So, basically, everybody is on the same page in this which means "LIBS!" because things and therefore reasons.

About as sensible as anything else you've ever posted.
 
2014-01-10 02:05:58 PM  
I wonder how FOXNEWS will take it. They must feel so victimized along with all republicans.
 
2014-01-10 02:06:04 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.
 
2014-01-10 02:06:35 PM  
Holy cow. A grieving relative behaving with prudence and class rather than jumping in to grab all the cash possible?

The conservatives are right. America, as we know it, is dying.
 
2014-01-10 02:06:49 PM  
Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-10 02:07:43 PM  

umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.



The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.
 
2014-01-10 02:11:04 PM  

Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed? What is this speculation based on?

/the ones who have been caught orchestrating it should be in jail though


Since September he's been saying, "trust me, absolutely nobody in my administration had anything to do with closing lanes for anything buy totally legit reasons, like a traffic study." Then this week it turns out that was completely untrue, and that the person who ordered the closing wasn't some low ranking staff member, but his deputy chief of staff.

But you're ready to take him at his word that he wasn't involved, that he never told his staff to screw with the Mayor of Fort Lee because he refused to endorse him?
 
2014-01-10 02:11:10 PM  

doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


Dude, this is a scandal. Laws were broken.  Show me the Benghazi / IRS laws that were broken.

Or don't and keep touting the BSABSVR narrative as if that's going to get you a free transformer handjob at CPAC.
 
2014-01-10 02:11:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Not blaming him leaves an awful lot of money on the table.  Just filing the suit should get you a $5k settlement offer.  Looks like they blew it.


Making a statement to a reporter does not preclude her being able to file and win a case at a later date.
 
2014-01-10 02:11:42 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.



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Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that Mrs. Genoca was only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

/Serve her to the governor with steak fries and A-1 sauce.
 
2014-01-10 02:12:30 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


I think what the family is most likely thinking is she was appeared to be dead at the scene, and that a seemingly lifeless woman having a heart attack and arriving a few minutes sooner still would have had to have her chest cracked open and a bypass.  The likelihood of someone surviving that and having any sort of quality of life at 91 is bad.  The family probably thinks that her passing away was the best option, and dredging it up will do more harm than good.
 
2014-01-10 02:14:55 PM  

dittybopper: 076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn . com

Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that Mrs. Genoca was only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

/Serve her to the governor with steak fries and A-1 sauce.


Not likely to find any loose change in grannies pockets, family knew she was going, they already have all her stuff marked with post-its as to who gets it.
 
2014-01-10 02:15:28 PM  

dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.


You forgot this quote. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

"It took a Fort Lee E.M.S. crew seven minutes to reach Ms. Genova, after they were detoured away from the traffic accident."


So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.
 
2014-01-10 02:15:45 PM  
dittybopper:
Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that Mrs. Genoca was only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

/Serve her to the governor with steak fries and A-1 sauce.


[slow_clap.jpg]
 
2014-01-10 02:16:25 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


They could have saved her, like they saved that little brain-dead girl in the thread yesterday. I hear she's getting better, even if her body is rotting away. It's just a side effect of being dead.

/don't read that thread if you don't want to be sick.
 
2014-01-10 02:17:41 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.
 
2014-01-10 02:17:46 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


And in most places not rural only a doctor can declare someone dead, even if they are clearly and without a doubt dead. Like blue in the face, post rigor dead even. As such she could only be declared dead at the hospital (because the ME\coroner wasn't sent to her home which is usually the other way it can work out) no matter when she actually died. Meanwhile apparently the people who were there can tell when someone is dead. Heart not beating, no breathing, lifeless eyes... you know... what us non-doctors would call dead even if we didn't have the official piece of paper signed by the doctor making it a legal fact yet.

But you go on with your bad self.
 
MFK
2014-01-10 02:17:46 PM  

Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed? What is this speculation based on?

/the ones who have been caught orchestrating it should be in jail though


The state Senator from Fort Lee put it perfectly last night on Maddow. The email from Kelly to Widestien said "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee". His response was "got it."

this is probably the most damning thing right here. As the senator put it, "most people would ask 'uh, what do you mean by that?'".  This guy understood exactly what he was to do and that points to a culture that this sort of thing happens so frequently that an aide can email something that succinct to Port Authority who understands exactly what to do with it. If Christie didn't order this directly, his staff and appointees certainly did this kind of thing often enough and it looks bad for Christie either way. Either he's letting his staff take the fall for something he knew about or he allowed this kind of culture to flourish in his office behind his back, which doesn't speak well for him either.
 
2014-01-10 02:17:57 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.


I think we can conclude, from her family's lack of caring, that she was an awful person.  I mean, as long as we are being all speculative.
 
2014-01-10 02:21:02 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.

I think what the family is most likely thinking is she was appeared to be dead at the scene, and that a seemingly lifeless woman having a heart attack and arriving a few minutes sooner still would have had to have her chest cracked open and a bypass.  The likelihood of someone surviving that and having any sort of quality of life at 91 is bad.  The family probably thinks that her passing away was the best option, and dredging it up will do more harm than good.


AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.
 
2014-01-10 02:22:41 PM  
FTFA: "She voted for Christie," Ms. Oleri said.

"Elections have consequences" - Rand Paul

haha.jpg
 
2014-01-10 02:23:02 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.


She must have been an awful person for them not to want to sue.  That, or they have come to terms with her loss and want to move EVEN IF YOU WANT TO DRAG THEM BACK INTO IT!!!!
 
2014-01-10 02:23:07 PM  
What?? No one has blamed Bush yet?!
 
2014-01-10 02:24:12 PM  

I_C_Weener: DROxINxTHExWIND: So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.

I think we can conclude, from her family's lack of caring, that she was an awful person.  I mean, as long as we are being all speculative.



Allow me to correct you.

I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*.  Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?
 
2014-01-10 02:25:45 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: sign_of_Zeta: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.

I think what the family is most likely thinking is she was appeared to be dead at the scene, and that a seemingly lifeless woman having a heart attack and arriving a few minutes sooner still would have had to have her chest cracked open and a bypass.  The likelihood of someone surviving that and having any sort of quality of life at 91 is bad.  The family probably thinks that her passing away was the best option, and dredging it up will do more harm than good.

AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.


The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.
 
ecl
2014-01-10 02:26:10 PM  

Go_Guins: What?? No one has blamed Bush yet?!


This is about a different GOP turd.
 
2014-01-10 02:26:24 PM  
This just in, it is now your fault if your staffer does something wrong.

/Until it happens to Obama.
//Then it is going to belong to Bush.
 
2014-01-10 02:27:06 PM  

omgrtfa: FTFA: "She voted for Christie," Ms. Oleri said.

"Elections have consequences" - Rand Paul

haha.jpg


And ironically, Christie's office shut down the bridge preventing the EMS from getting to her.

But she was old anyway so no big deal, right?
 
2014-01-10 02:27:25 PM  
91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.
 
2014-01-10 02:27:26 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I_C_Weener: DROxINxTHExWIND: So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.

I think we can conclude, from her family's lack of caring, that she was an awful person.  I mean, as long as we are being all speculative.


Allow me to correct you.

I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*.  Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?


I'm speculating nothing other than she must have been awful as a person.  Other than that I'm just stating that her family doesn't want to sue.  I have no care as to whether or not she was alive or would live.  Just that you know, maybe her family know best...and are trying to keep their secret plan to inherit early...a you know, secret.
 
2014-01-10 02:27:40 PM  
I hear that one is likely to die every day when one is 91.  Christie, simply because he is a tubby.

Headso: Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed? What is this speculation based on?

It's based on the fact that he said he knew nothing about something that was a national news story at the time.


So you are suggesting that a Politician is not to be trusted when he says the first he knew about it was when he read it in the paper?

I guess if it works for Obama, it should work for Christie.
 
2014-01-10 02:29:17 PM  

I_C_Weener: DROxINxTHExWIND: AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.

She must have been an awful person for them not to want to sue.  That, or they have come to terms with her loss and want to move EVEN IF YOU WANT TO DRAG THEM BACK INTO IT!!!!


Small minds think alike. I never mentioned a civil suit or that they should do anything. I said their mother's dead warrants an investigation, whether they want to hold Christie accountable or not. Not sure if you know this, but if a crime was committed it doesn't matter what the family thinks. And if it can be proven that this woman could have been helped if first responders had gotten to her earlier the case can be made that the people who caused this are liable. If its determined that she was dead, then she was dead and this part goes away. Not sure why you all are so intent on dismissing it because the woman was old. That's stupid to me. While we're at it, lets stop prosecuting crimes against old people since they're just about to die anyway.
 
2014-01-10 02:29:17 PM  

KAVORKA: 91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.


So if a 91 year old has a heart attack, how about let's just let them die - does that work for you?
 
2014-01-10 02:29:31 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.


Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?
 
2014-01-10 02:30:14 PM  

ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.


What are you talking about?

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