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(The New York Times)   Family of 91-year-old woman who died during the George Washington Bridge lane closures not blaming NJ Governor Christie for her death because everyone has a time for dying and hers was meant to be in a traffic jam   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2014-01-10 10:33:04 AM  
Not blaming him is even better. Makes them look super nice and makes Christie look like an even bigger bastard.
 
2014-01-10 10:40:05 AM  
Not blaming him leaves an awful lot of money on the table.  Just filing the suit should get you a $5k settlement offer.  Looks like they blew it.
 
2014-01-10 11:04:13 AM  
The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.
 
2014-01-10 11:08:50 AM  

Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.


Doctors HATE lawsuits.  Which is why I never ask my doctor for legal advice.
 
2014-01-10 11:31:33 AM  
How big was the brown paper bag they got yesterday?
 
2014-01-10 11:32:09 AM  

Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.


~~It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth as much as a living, severely-maimed plaintiff. However, if it's a long slow agonizing death, as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, the value can rise considerably. A dead adult in his 20s is generally worth less than one who is middle aged. A dead woman less than a dead man. A single adult less than one who's married. Black less than white. Poor less than rich. The perfect victim is a white male professional, 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, struck down in his prime. And the most imperfect? Well, in the calculus of personal injury law, a dead child is worth the least of all.
-A Civil Action
 
2014-01-10 11:45:30 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.

Doctors HATE lawsuits.  Which is why I never ask my doctor for legal advice.


Some doctors love them. Because they make a lot of money from lawyers who hire them. You don't want to ask those doctors for medical advice, either.
 
2014-01-10 11:59:36 AM  
Maybe they wanted to divvy up her estate instead of spending it on expensive care.
 
2014-01-10 12:15:23 PM  

Diogenes: Maybe they wanted to divvy up her estate instead of spending it on expensive care.


They could have taken her here.

Just think, she could of died in Secaucus. What a way to go!
 
2014-01-10 12:23:30 PM  

Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.

Doctors HATE lawsuits.  Which is why I never ask my doctor for legal advice.

Some doctors love them. Because they make a lot of money from lawyers who hire them. You don't want to ask those doctors for medical advice, either.


Ha. I know some of those. They are often very rich, and fairly crazy. Even as an attorney, I get chills from the smell of brimstone when they approach.
 
2014-01-10 01:01:50 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Diogenes: Maybe they wanted to divvy up her estate instead of spending it on expensive care.

They could have taken her here.

Just think, she could of died in Secaucus. What a way to go!


I spent a month in Secaucus one night.

I'll have to see if this place is affiliated with Care One.
 
2014-01-10 01:24:12 PM  

Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality read the last three sentences of the article.


FTFM. The old woman with the failing memory voted for Christie a few years ago. The daughter could also be a Christie fan or perhaps just wants to honor her mother's inclination for supporting him.

A distant, third possibility is the daughter isn't a money-grubbing sue-hound and is taking the high road.

All are acceptable reasons, IMO, for not suing over the death of a 91-year-old because...

"We believe she died in her home, but they couldn't pronounce her until she got to the hospital," said Ms. Oleri's husband, Frank Oleri. "The traffic didn't make any difference."
 
2014-01-10 01:27:11 PM  
Maybe they don't want their family involved, in any way, with the media circus this will inevitably turn into.
 
2014-01-10 01:27:35 PM  
It just keeps getting better.

/no, no it doesn't
//one can only hope people will be punished eventually
 
2014-01-10 01:36:14 PM  
It was a 91-year-old woman who had a heart attack. They're probably right.
 
2014-01-10 01:38:31 PM  
"What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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2014-01-10 01:38:43 PM  
They are lucky the lady who died was so freakin old, if was a young healthy person bleeding out or whatever it would have been a bigger problemo...
 
2014-01-10 01:40:08 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: A distant, third possibility is the daughter isn't a money-grubbing sue-hound and is taking the high road.


Or maybe she's taking the low road, but the low road's full of traffic jam.
 
2014-01-10 01:41:01 PM  
I think I saw this Twilight Zone. Isn't Christie doomed to be the ambulance driver for all eternity?
 
2014-01-10 01:41:32 PM  
"We believe she died in her home, but they couldn't pronounce her until she got to the hospital," said Ms. Oleri's husband, Frank Oleri. "The traffic didn't make any difference."


I will use a guess as the basis for my assertion. Lets see if anyone notices.
 
2014-01-10 01:41:45 PM  

Bondith: Mitch Taylor's Bro: A distant, third possibility is the daughter isn't a money-grubbing sue-hound and is taking the high road.

Or maybe she's taking the low road, but the low road's full of traffic jam.


...and I'll be in Trenton AFORE YE!
 
2014-01-10 01:42:02 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality read the last three sentences of the article.

FTFM. The old woman with the failing memory voted for Christie a few years ago. The daughter could also be a Christie fan or perhaps just wants to honor her mother's inclination for supporting him.

A distant, third possibility is the daughter isn't a money-grubbing sue-hound and is taking the high road.

All are acceptable reasons, IMO, for not suing over the death of a 91-year-old because...

"We believe she died in her home, but they couldn't pronounce her until she got to the hospital," said Ms. Oleri's husband, Frank Oleri. "The traffic didn't make any difference."


You take the high road, and I'll take the low road, and Ill get to sue them before you do.
 
2014-01-10 01:42:16 PM  
Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.
 
2014-01-10 01:43:13 PM  
Chances of proving guilt legally and getting paid quickly without a media circus:  very, very low.

Chances of the Penguin sending some goons to break your kneecaps:  high enough to let it go
 
2014-01-10 01:44:06 PM  

doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


so what you're saying is both sides are bad so trolololol
 
2014-01-10 01:44:07 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"


Win!
 
2014-01-10 01:44:22 PM  
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2014-01-10 01:44:36 PM  
The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.
 
2014-01-10 01:45:24 PM  
Really? No "In My Time of Dying" reference? Dylan, Zep, Blind Willie or Horace Sprott?
 
2014-01-10 01:45:50 PM  

Bondith: Mitch Taylor's Bro: A distant, third possibility is the daughter isn't a money-grubbing sue-hound and is taking the high road.

Or maybe she's taking the low road, but the low road's full of traffic jam.


They should get some transit peanut butter and some pedestrian bread to make a commuter sandwich.
 
2014-01-10 01:46:57 PM  

doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?
 
2014-01-10 01:47:20 PM  

Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.

Doctors HATE lawsuits.  Which is why I never ask my doctor for legal advice.

Some doctors love them. Because they make a lot of money from lawyers who hire them. You don't want to ask those doctors for medical advice, either.


Yup. Check out what some doctors charge for depositions. Who the fark needs patients?
 
2014-01-10 01:47:50 PM  

kbronsito: ~~It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth as much as a living, severely-maimed plaintiff. However, if it's a long slow agonizing death, as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, the value can rise considerably. A dead adult in his 20s is generally worth less than one who is middle aged. A dead woman less than a dead man. A single adult less than one who's married. Black less than white. Poor less than rich. The perfect victim is a white male professional, 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, struck down in his prime. And the most imperfect? Well, in the calculus of personal injury law, a dead child is worth the least of all.
-A Civil Action


Great book - shaitty movie.
 
2014-01-10 01:48:39 PM  
Now someone died over this childish revenge? Oh, I'm gonna sue them for her. Sh*t just got real.
 
2014-01-10 01:48:46 PM  

Fano: I think I saw this Twilight Zone. Isn't Christie doomed to be the ambulance driver for all eternity?


Either that, or the ambulance drivers cooked her, and served her to Christie right before an atomic blast destroyed all the forks, which wasn't fair, because there was time now. Time for all the food in the world.
 
2014-01-10 01:50:46 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.


No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.
 
2014-01-10 01:51:44 PM  
So...what you are saying is....they inherited early.
 
2014-01-10 01:52:04 PM  
Meh...the family has raided the house for heirlooms and spending their inheritance checks by now. Thanks Gov'na!!
 
2014-01-10 01:52:05 PM  

AeAe: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?


*in SNL voice* ....in NEW JERSEY!!!
 
2014-01-10 01:52:40 PM  
This going to take a toll on Christie.
 
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2014-01-10 01:52:40 PM  
Three press conferences from now Christie will be admitting his aides were driving the ambulance but he swears he didn't smother her with a pillow himself.
 
2014-01-10 01:52:49 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.
 
2014-01-10 01:53:04 PM  

doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal",


Its even more fun to see reasonable people criticizing the media's unending fat-shaming of Christie. I'd sure vote for him if he promised to coont-poont Fit Mom on Pay Per View, just to piss off the Politics tab.

/everyone on fark sounds fat, btw.
 
2014-01-10 01:53:10 PM  
I do hope a full autopsy is done to determine whether her death could have been prevented by the paramedics. But sure sounds like the family doesn't give a fark because they like Christie more than the dead relative.
 
2014-01-10 01:53:28 PM  
Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed? What is this speculation based on?

/the ones who have been caught orchestrating it should be in jail though
 
2014-01-10 01:53:43 PM  

AeAe: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?


Chile in the 80's made some wonderful contributions to the world

www.carlascovers.com
 
2014-01-10 01:54:07 PM  
I thought I heard on the news last night that she was already dead even if help had arrive "in time".
 
2014-01-10 01:54:27 PM  

doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


Oh, stop it. Such a blatant abuse of power affecting so many people over a petty political grudge may not be unique or unusual in politics, but its revelation is. And you know that. You make me tired.
 
2014-01-10 01:55:47 PM  

AeAe: Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?


Chris Christie is now Augusto Pinochet? I can't say I've noticed the similarity so far....
 
2014-01-10 01:55:59 PM  

Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed? What is this speculation based on?


It's based on the fact that he said he knew nothing about something that was a national news story at the time.
 
2014-01-10 01:56:09 PM  
The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?


Par for the course. Political backbiting and traffic jams in New Jersey aren't nation shaking events, no.
 
2014-01-10 01:56:28 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"


Is that the 91 year old that died?
 
2014-01-10 01:56:52 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: AeAe: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?

Chile in the 80's made some wonderful contributions to the world

[www.carlascovers.com image 850x314]


I was referencing Pinochet.
 
2014-01-10 01:56:56 PM  

Diogenes: I spent a month in Secaucus one night.


Are you a time traveler?
 
2014-01-10 01:57:20 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


No proof + no examining doctor saying that she might have lived had she gotten there 4 minutes earlier + 91 years old and a not unreasonable expectation to possibly drop dead at any moment at that age = no lawsuit.
 
2014-01-10 01:57:33 PM  
We have an unknown, but exact number of seconds to live. Lines (and traffic jams) are murder. One second at a time.

/Henry Rollins paraphrase
 
2014-01-10 01:58:27 PM  

img.fark.netAeAe: InterruptingQuirk: AeAe: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

The Governor's office using it's authority for revenge and retaliation isn't an issue for you?  Where the fark do you live?  Chile in 80's?

Chile in the 80's made some wonderful contributions to the world

[www.carlascovers.com image 850x314]

I was referencing Pinochet.


I know
 
2014-01-10 01:59:10 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Fano: I think I saw this Twilight Zone. Isn't Christie doomed to be the ambulance driver for all eternity?

Either that, or the ambulance drivers cooked her, and served her to Christie right before an atomic blast destroyed all the forks, which wasn't fair, because there was time now. Time for all the food in the world.


Dammit. I nearly splorfed a mouthful of lunch all over. Well done.

/ the dead old lady left her grandson a special phone...
 
2014-01-10 02:01:33 PM  

doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


They've finally got something to talk about other than the epic and continuing fail of Obamacare, so it's understandable that they'll flog this for all it's worth. For me, I say let the NJ AG and feds, should they so desire, investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone who violated the law, which is how these things are supposed to be handled.
 
2014-01-10 02:01:54 PM  
I wouldn't want to be used as a political football either.
 
2014-01-10 02:03:29 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: It was a 91-year-old woman who had a heart attack. They're probably right.


yeah. Let her go, man, because she's gone.
 
2014-01-10 02:03:37 PM  

Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed?


I haven't seen any yet, but there is clearly coded language referring to individuals in the emails that everyone involved is being tight-lipped about. Among others, a Mr. Baroni (Christie appointee at the Port Authority) apparently has a lot of explaining to do, and Mr. Wildstein refused to do any of that yesterday.
 
2014-01-10 02:04:34 PM  
Oh, stop it. Such a blatant abuse of power affecting so many people over a petty political grudge may not be unique or unusual in politics, but its revelation is. And you know that. You make me tired.

b-b-b-ut BENGHAZI!!!!
 
2014-01-10 02:04:51 PM  

jjorsett: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

They've finally got something to talk about other than the epic and continuing fail of Obamacare, so it's understandable that they'll flog this for all it's worth. For me, I say let the NJ AG and feds, should they so desire, investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone who violated the law, which is how these things are supposed to be handled.


My insurance premium went down and my benefits stayed the same, as did the majority of my coworkers. So suck it.
 
2014-01-10 02:05:14 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.
 
2014-01-10 02:05:45 PM  

jjorsett: For me, I say let the NJ AG and feds, should they so desire, investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone who violated the law, which is how these things are supposed to be handled.


So, basically, everybody is on the same page in this which means "LIBS!" because things and therefore reasons.

About as sensible as anything else you've ever posted.
 
2014-01-10 02:05:58 PM  
I wonder how FOXNEWS will take it. They must feel so victimized along with all republicans.
 
2014-01-10 02:06:04 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.
 
2014-01-10 02:06:35 PM  
Holy cow. A grieving relative behaving with prudence and class rather than jumping in to grab all the cash possible?

The conservatives are right. America, as we know it, is dying.
 
2014-01-10 02:06:49 PM  
Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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2014-01-10 02:07:43 PM  

umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.



The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.
 
2014-01-10 02:11:04 PM  

Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed? What is this speculation based on?

/the ones who have been caught orchestrating it should be in jail though


Since September he's been saying, "trust me, absolutely nobody in my administration had anything to do with closing lanes for anything buy totally legit reasons, like a traffic study." Then this week it turns out that was completely untrue, and that the person who ordered the closing wasn't some low ranking staff member, but his deputy chief of staff.

But you're ready to take him at his word that he wasn't involved, that he never told his staff to screw with the Mayor of Fort Lee because he refused to endorse him?
 
2014-01-10 02:11:10 PM  

doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.


Dude, this is a scandal. Laws were broken.  Show me the Benghazi / IRS laws that were broken.

Or don't and keep touting the BSABSVR narrative as if that's going to get you a free transformer handjob at CPAC.
 
2014-01-10 02:11:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Not blaming him leaves an awful lot of money on the table.  Just filing the suit should get you a $5k settlement offer.  Looks like they blew it.


Making a statement to a reporter does not preclude her being able to file and win a case at a later date.
 
2014-01-10 02:11:42 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.



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Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that Mrs. Genoca was only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

/Serve her to the governor with steak fries and A-1 sauce.
 
2014-01-10 02:12:30 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


I think what the family is most likely thinking is she was appeared to be dead at the scene, and that a seemingly lifeless woman having a heart attack and arriving a few minutes sooner still would have had to have her chest cracked open and a bypass.  The likelihood of someone surviving that and having any sort of quality of life at 91 is bad.  The family probably thinks that her passing away was the best option, and dredging it up will do more harm than good.
 
2014-01-10 02:14:55 PM  

dittybopper: 076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn . com

Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that Mrs. Genoca was only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

/Serve her to the governor with steak fries and A-1 sauce.


Not likely to find any loose change in grannies pockets, family knew she was going, they already have all her stuff marked with post-its as to who gets it.
 
2014-01-10 02:15:28 PM  

dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.


You forgot this quote. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

"It took a Fort Lee E.M.S. crew seven minutes to reach Ms. Genova, after they were detoured away from the traffic accident."


So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.
 
2014-01-10 02:15:45 PM  
dittybopper:
Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that Mrs. Genoca was only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

/Serve her to the governor with steak fries and A-1 sauce.


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2014-01-10 02:16:25 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


They could have saved her, like they saved that little brain-dead girl in the thread yesterday. I hear she's getting better, even if her body is rotting away. It's just a side effect of being dead.

/don't read that thread if you don't want to be sick.
 
2014-01-10 02:17:41 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.
 
2014-01-10 02:17:46 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


And in most places not rural only a doctor can declare someone dead, even if they are clearly and without a doubt dead. Like blue in the face, post rigor dead even. As such she could only be declared dead at the hospital (because the ME\coroner wasn't sent to her home which is usually the other way it can work out) no matter when she actually died. Meanwhile apparently the people who were there can tell when someone is dead. Heart not beating, no breathing, lifeless eyes... you know... what us non-doctors would call dead even if we didn't have the official piece of paper signed by the doctor making it a legal fact yet.

But you go on with your bad self.
 
MFK
2014-01-10 02:17:46 PM  

Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed? What is this speculation based on?

/the ones who have been caught orchestrating it should be in jail though


The state Senator from Fort Lee put it perfectly last night on Maddow. The email from Kelly to Widestien said "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee". His response was "got it."

this is probably the most damning thing right here. As the senator put it, "most people would ask 'uh, what do you mean by that?'".  This guy understood exactly what he was to do and that points to a culture that this sort of thing happens so frequently that an aide can email something that succinct to Port Authority who understands exactly what to do with it. If Christie didn't order this directly, his staff and appointees certainly did this kind of thing often enough and it looks bad for Christie either way. Either he's letting his staff take the fall for something he knew about or he allowed this kind of culture to flourish in his office behind his back, which doesn't speak well for him either.
 
2014-01-10 02:17:57 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.


I think we can conclude, from her family's lack of caring, that she was an awful person.  I mean, as long as we are being all speculative.
 
2014-01-10 02:21:02 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.

I think what the family is most likely thinking is she was appeared to be dead at the scene, and that a seemingly lifeless woman having a heart attack and arriving a few minutes sooner still would have had to have her chest cracked open and a bypass.  The likelihood of someone surviving that and having any sort of quality of life at 91 is bad.  The family probably thinks that her passing away was the best option, and dredging it up will do more harm than good.


AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.
 
2014-01-10 02:22:41 PM  
FTFA: "She voted for Christie," Ms. Oleri said.

"Elections have consequences" - Rand Paul

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2014-01-10 02:23:02 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.


She must have been an awful person for them not to want to sue.  That, or they have come to terms with her loss and want to move EVEN IF YOU WANT TO DRAG THEM BACK INTO IT!!!!
 
2014-01-10 02:23:07 PM  
What?? No one has blamed Bush yet?!
 
2014-01-10 02:24:12 PM  

I_C_Weener: DROxINxTHExWIND: So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.

I think we can conclude, from her family's lack of caring, that she was an awful person.  I mean, as long as we are being all speculative.



Allow me to correct you.

I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*.  Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?
 
2014-01-10 02:25:45 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: sign_of_Zeta: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.

I think what the family is most likely thinking is she was appeared to be dead at the scene, and that a seemingly lifeless woman having a heart attack and arriving a few minutes sooner still would have had to have her chest cracked open and a bypass.  The likelihood of someone surviving that and having any sort of quality of life at 91 is bad.  The family probably thinks that her passing away was the best option, and dredging it up will do more harm than good.

AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.


The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.
 
ecl
2014-01-10 02:26:10 PM  

Go_Guins: What?? No one has blamed Bush yet?!


This is about a different GOP turd.
 
2014-01-10 02:26:24 PM  
This just in, it is now your fault if your staffer does something wrong.

/Until it happens to Obama.
//Then it is going to belong to Bush.
 
2014-01-10 02:27:06 PM  

omgrtfa: FTFA: "She voted for Christie," Ms. Oleri said.

"Elections have consequences" - Rand Paul

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And ironically, Christie's office shut down the bridge preventing the EMS from getting to her.

But she was old anyway so no big deal, right?
 
2014-01-10 02:27:25 PM  
91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.
 
2014-01-10 02:27:26 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I_C_Weener: DROxINxTHExWIND: So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.

I think we can conclude, from her family's lack of caring, that she was an awful person.  I mean, as long as we are being all speculative.


Allow me to correct you.

I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*.  Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?


I'm speculating nothing other than she must have been awful as a person.  Other than that I'm just stating that her family doesn't want to sue.  I have no care as to whether or not she was alive or would live.  Just that you know, maybe her family know best...and are trying to keep their secret plan to inherit early...a you know, secret.
 
2014-01-10 02:27:40 PM  
I hear that one is likely to die every day when one is 91.  Christie, simply because he is a tubby.

Headso: Electrify: Hate to defend a Republican, even if he is a moderate, but is there any proof that he ordered the bridge closed? What is this speculation based on?

It's based on the fact that he said he knew nothing about something that was a national news story at the time.


So you are suggesting that a Politician is not to be trusted when he says the first he knew about it was when he read it in the paper?

I guess if it works for Obama, it should work for Christie.
 
2014-01-10 02:29:17 PM  

I_C_Weener: DROxINxTHExWIND: AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.

She must have been an awful person for them not to want to sue.  That, or they have come to terms with her loss and want to move EVEN IF YOU WANT TO DRAG THEM BACK INTO IT!!!!


Small minds think alike. I never mentioned a civil suit or that they should do anything. I said their mother's dead warrants an investigation, whether they want to hold Christie accountable or not. Not sure if you know this, but if a crime was committed it doesn't matter what the family thinks. And if it can be proven that this woman could have been helped if first responders had gotten to her earlier the case can be made that the people who caused this are liable. If its determined that she was dead, then she was dead and this part goes away. Not sure why you all are so intent on dismissing it because the woman was old. That's stupid to me. While we're at it, lets stop prosecuting crimes against old people since they're just about to die anyway.
 
2014-01-10 02:29:17 PM  

KAVORKA: 91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.


So if a 91 year old has a heart attack, how about let's just let them die - does that work for you?
 
2014-01-10 02:29:31 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.


Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?
 
2014-01-10 02:30:14 PM  

ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.


What are you talking about?

www.tvovermind.com
 
2014-01-10 02:31:32 PM  

AeAe: omgrtfa: FTFA: "She voted for Christie," Ms. Oleri said.

"Elections have consequences" - Rand Paul

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And ironically, Christie's office shut down the bridge preventing the EMS from getting to her.

But she was old anyway so no big deal, right?


If manslaughter is no big deal then, yes.
 
2014-01-10 02:32:09 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I_C_Weener: DROxINxTHExWIND: AGAIN, with the stuff about her age. Jesus, I'm starting to have second thoughts about whether or not death panels exist because I see a number of potential candidates for the job. So, if she was 24 then we should investigate but being 91 means its no big deal? Dredging it up?? Their MOTHER died.

She must have been an awful person for them not to want to sue.  That, or they have come to terms with her loss and want to move EVEN IF YOU WANT TO DRAG THEM BACK INTO IT!!!!

Small minds think alike. I never mentioned a civil suit or that they should do anything. I said their mother's dead warrants an investigation, whether they want to hold Christie accountable or not. Not sure if you know this, but if a crime was committed it doesn't matter what the family thinks. And if it can be proven that this woman could have been helped if first responders had gotten to her earlier the case can be made that the people who caused this are liable. If its determined that she was dead, then she was dead and this part goes away. Not sure why you all are so intent on dismissing it because the woman was old. That's stupid to me. While we're at it, lets stop prosecuting crimes against old people since they're just about to die anyway.


SHHHH.  You are going to determine that they gave her that heart attack.  All the grand kids popping around corners screaming, "I'm voting Republican!!!!"  They did this in an attempt to get that sweet sweet life insurance money.
 
2014-01-10 02:32:23 PM  
I agree with both stances, oddly enough.  The bridge traffic scandal is both really bad, and also trying to turn it into a life-or-death thing for added political drama ratings value is pretty disgusting.  It's like we take every political event and instantly try to turn it into a reality show.  Benghazi in reverse.
 
2014-01-10 02:32:46 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?


So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!

 
2014-01-10 02:33:09 PM  

IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?


I thought they did and it was the Republicans cut the funding, wasn't it?
 
2014-01-10 02:33:38 PM  
Does it matter? The point was that emergency vehicle couldn't reach where they're needed the most because of the traffic jams created out of political pettiness.
 
2014-01-10 02:35:28 PM  

I alone am best: This just in, it is now your fault if your staffer does something wrong.

/Until it happens to Obama.
//Then it is going to belong to Bush.


If your staff does something wrong, and you at first refuse to acknowledge that there was a four-day disruption of traffic on the busiest bridge in the world -- so bad that it makes national news -- and don't answer phone calls related to that, and none of your staff or cronies answer calls related to that even when it's their job, and then you say unequivocally that your staff had absolutely nothing to do with it, that it was a just a traffic study when there exists no evidence whatsoever for such a study, and you belligerently mock a reporter who suggests otherwise...

Right, nothing to see here.
 
2014-01-10 02:35:38 PM  
Next thing you know he'll be using the IRS to target his opponents..surprised uncle bammy hasn't pulled that one yet (oh wait).
 
2014-01-10 02:36:03 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.

You forgot this quote. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

"It took a Fort Lee E.M.S. crew seven minutes to reach Ms. Genova, after they were detoured away from the traffic accident."


So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.


No, she died on the day that she had a heart attack. Look, this family DOES NOT WANT you to use their dead family member to further your agenda.

Christie is a cock and there will be PLENTY of stories about people he farked over- people who suffered in ambulances, people who didn't get a job because they were late to an interview, people who lost jobs for being late, lost wages, missed flights, missed doctors appointments etc.

Respect this family's wishes.
 
2014-01-10 02:36:19 PM  

Radioactive Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?

So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!


He's just asking questions.  Why won't Christie deny shooting her between the eyes?
 
2014-01-10 02:36:51 PM  
I live in the farking boondocks and even we have an emergency helicopter at the hospital.  Time for those Yankees to join the 21st Century.
 
2014-01-10 02:38:04 PM  
LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.



LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.
 
2014-01-10 02:38:23 PM  

Radioactive Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?

So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!


Everything should be investigated thoroughly, especially something like this. And especially something like 9/11.

Why are you so quick to take everything at face value?
 
2014-01-10 02:39:05 PM  

IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?

InterruptingQuirk: ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.

What are you talking about?

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She has a face?
 
2014-01-10 02:39:33 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


And they might have believed that because she stopped breathing and didn't have a pulse.
 
2014-01-10 02:40:24 PM  
Lets not forget that Christie's HS buddy is the guy at the port authority that made this happen. A job Christie created out of thin air once elected that has no job description and pays $150,000/year with pension and benefits.

So we have political revenge because the Mayor of Fort Lee a democrat didn't want to back a republican for Gov. against his party etc. So Christie's folks shut down the ramps to the GW Bridge and cause a bunch of BS to a bunch of people that had nothing to do with either of them, Had kids getting to School at 11AM instead of 8 or 9 and causing traffic nightmares for anyone trying to get over the bridge. They then stonewalled when the folks from across the bridge in NY wanted answers. Cuomo was getting stonewalled as well and none of this came out until subpoenas started getting sent out
 
2014-01-10 02:40:35 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.


You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.
 
2014-01-10 02:41:00 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


Protocols are such that unless it is an obvious cause of death - head no longer attached to neck - then it requires to "officially" declare someone dead.  First responders, EMT's and or paramedics may be able to discern that but they can't declare it.  Until you're officially declared dead you're technically still alive.  Therefore, when they left the house without a Dr. present she could not be declared dead.  Yes, they could have called the hospital, conferred with a Dr. and have her declared that way.

Even if they perform a full investigation I seriously doubt any medical professional would be able to state with absolute certainty that yes, had the ambulance been there 3 minutes sooner this woman would be alive today playing tennis, rock climbing and bedding down sailors all day long.  Even if they were able to beam her directly from her home to the hospital its likely that she would still be dead today.

Life is precious but people need to stop making the only measure the length of time a person's here on earth.  Consider quality of life.  Karen Ann Quinlan lived for years comatose in a hospital bed but darn it, she was technically alive so she was winning.  No she wasn't.  People need to have the option to go out on their own terms.
 
2014-01-10 02:41:48 PM  

AeAe: KAVORKA: 91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.

So if a 91 year old has a heart attack, how about let's just let them die - does that work for you?


Being in the healthcare industry, sometimes that is the path people take. DNR is code for "do not resuscitate", used for those who are usually very old, frail, and/or have weighed the consequences of CPR.

By the way, CPR is brutal on the elderly. I have heard plenty of ribs crack in a nurses attempt to revive a patient whose family had not acceptedthat their loved one was close to leaving us. Ribs can puncture lungs, leading to even more issues. Quality of life becomes a bigger issue if the patient survived but is now a vegetable, waiting for family to pull the plug as they sit in their meat prison.

CPR is not like the movies, where puffing 5 or 6 times magically brings them back to full function, and age is often a factor to what quality of life they may have even on the off chance that CPR does work. But that's on an individual basis, and the family must weigh the benefits and ills of attempting that procedure. It sounds like the family was ready for this.

/Christie is still an arse, though
 
2014-01-10 02:42:39 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people.


They're so interesting.
 
2014-01-10 02:43:03 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.


I think what most people are saying is that it appears the family believe that not only was she dead, and if she survived it would have been in pain and misery (and still would have ended up killing the majority of 91 year olds).  Also, trying to turn her into a matyr for what happened is probably something her family doesn't want (or want to have to deal with).
 
2014-01-10 02:43:16 PM  
My guess is the family has to commute to NYC and they don't want to provoke any further 'traffic studies'.
 
2014-01-10 02:43:23 PM  

AeAe: KAVORKA: 91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.
So if a 91 year old has a heart attack, how about let's just let them die - does that work for you?


When my mother had a second heart attack just shy of her 80th birthday, she said she was fine, refused to go to the doctor, and died peacefully sitting on the couch at my sister's. We knew she'd had a heart attack. She knew she'd had a heart attack. She didn't want to go through another heart surgery at her age, one she knew she'd never really recover from. That was her choice and it was not our business to make her live crippled up and sick for however much longer she would have had.

People farking die, every damn one of us. the old lady would have died, probably sooner rather than later. If this forces some kind of existential crisis on you to think about this, maybe you need religion or something.
 
2014-01-10 02:43:53 PM  
My mother had a heart attack while dancing in a club.  She lingered on as a vegetable for a week in the hospital, never opening her eyes.

I prefer to believe that my mother dropped dead on the dance floor.  Recovery after that was just never going to happen.
 
2014-01-10 02:44:26 PM  

Cymbal: Radioactive Ass: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am asking questions that can possibly be answered in an investigation. You're SPECULATING that the woman was already dead and so *wipes hands on pants*. Fark her. She's like 91. Who gives a shiat? Amirite?

So you're "JAQing off then huh?. I'll bet you also wanted to know why the WTC collapsed and couldn't quite seem to accept it when people told you that it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it. No dammit! YOU WANT AN INVESTIGATION NOW! IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED! WHAT IF BUSH HAD THOSE PLANES FLOWN INTO THEM! WE NEED TO FIND OUT THE...

TRUTH!!!

Everything should be investigated thoroughly, especially something like this. And especially something like 9/11.

Why are you so quick to take everything at face value?


I want the Mythbusters investigated for passing off showmanship and explosives as science.
 
2014-01-10 02:44:40 PM  

kbronsito: Not blaming him is even better. Makes them look super nice and makes Christie look like an even bigger bastard.


Nope just you.
 
2014-01-10 02:44:52 PM  
Speaking as a Torontonian, I'm just glad you've got a fat, corrupt douchebag right-winger to take attention away from our fat, corrupt douchebag right-winger.
 
2014-01-10 02:45:54 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: "We believe she died in her home, but they couldn't pronounce her until she got to the hospital," said Ms. Oleri's husband, Frank Oleri. "The traffic didn't make any difference."


I will use a guess as the basis for my assertion. Lets see if anyone notices.


That is not really a guess, it's like an opinion man. Wasn't there, but someone with no discernible heartbeat or breathing would be believed to have died. Sure there might still be some brain activity, but for all intents and purposes, she died in the can... they are probably like 99% she was dead, but they are not MEs, it's not like picking any number 1 through 10.

In any event, WSJ actually had it right when they said, "Compared to using the IRS against political opponents, closing traffic lanes is jaywalking." This is a stupid and petty act by a big fatso; however, living in MN, I couldn't care less and it's certainly not worthy of all this attention.
 
2014-01-10 02:46:20 PM  
What if it had been a fully licensed and functioning heart surgeon who was delayed to the hospital?  Or if the bridge collapsed from the weight of the signs closing two lanes of traffic?  I'm just asking that it all be investigated.
 
2014-01-10 02:46:50 PM  

what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.


I don't think it sounds absurd at all. A woman died, her age is irrelevant.

But I could see how someone without empathy would think he sounds absurd.
 
2014-01-10 02:46:58 PM  

Valiente: Speaking as a Torontonian, I'm just glad you've got a fat, corrupt douchebag right-winger to take attention away from our fat, corrupt douchebag right-winger.


Can the New Jersey legislature take away Christie's powers and leave him as a large figurehead?
 
2014-01-10 02:47:06 PM  

Donald_McRonald: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people.

They're so interesting.


Truly a season of weather wonders.  I'm agreeing with DRO and hell is frozen over.
 
2014-01-10 02:48:00 PM  

jjorsett: doubled99: Fun to see the people on the left frothing at the mouth over some incredible "scandal", as it's usually just the anti-Obama crowd trying so hard.

They've finally got something to talk about other than the epic and continuing fail of Obamacare, so it's understandable that they'll flog this for all it's worth. For me, I say let the NJ AG and feds, should they so desire, investigate, indict, and prosecute anyone who violated the law, which is how these things are supposed to be handled.


Wow. So this is what it looks like in the Conservative Mind Bubble? Just for the record, I'm the most Libby LiB Socialist Libtard that ever Libbed and I'm proud of Obamacare, I talk about it all the time. I encourage my non-insured friends to sign-up, I LOVE pointing out it's successes (10 million served!) to my mind-numbingly RushBot co-workers...

I'm hoping the Republicans keep talking about it too, it's just free advertising for the legislation. The more they bag on it, on record, the less chance they'll have to suddenly turn around and take credit for it as it continues to be successful.

I love it! OBAMACARE! OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  Say it with me now! OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!  OBAMACARE!
 
2014-01-10 02:48:52 PM  

Cymbal: what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.

I don't think it sounds absurd at all. A woman died, her age is irrelevant.

But I could see how someone without empathy would think he sounds absurd.


So, you care about everyone who died?  What about drone strikes on weddings in foreign countries?  Lets investigate it.  And Benghazi-gate...and the number of soldiers who have died in Afghanstan after our mission to kill OBL was accomplished?  Or are you just looking at this death different?
 
2014-01-10 02:48:58 PM  

Darth Macho: My guess is the family has to commute to NYC and they don't want to provoke any further 'traffic studies'.


As long as Christie is in power many people will not act against him.
 
2014-01-10 02:50:47 PM  

AeAe: KAVORKA: 91 year olds rarely survive heart attacks, I don't care how fast the ambulance gets there.

So if a 91 year old has a heart attack, how about let's just let them die - does that work for you?


Yes, depending on the circumstances.  A 91 year old that is conscious while having a myocardial infarction should obviously be treated, if that is the patient's wish.  A 91 year old in cardiac arrest (as this lady was on scene), has a 1 percent chance of survival to discharge if she has a shockable heart rhythm upon EMS arrival.  Since this was an unwitnessed arrest (daughter found her mother in the bathroom after she didn't come out), it is overwhelmingly likely that she was in asystole and nothing, not even an ambulance with a 30 second response time, was going to allow that woman to walk out of a hospital. She died in the house and shouldn't have even been transported to the emergency room (I'm not familiar with NJ EMS protocols but here in Idaho she would have been pronounced on scene and not transported).
 
2014-01-10 02:52:08 PM  

Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.


Marcus Aurelius: Not blaming him leaves an awful lot of money on the table.  Just filing the suit should get you a $5k settlement offer.  Looks like they blew it.


I think a wise man said (paraphrase), "Man, just it go.... just let it go...."

Otherwise, Grandman is just going to be used as a poster child in yet another farked up political theatre.
 
2014-01-10 02:52:19 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.

You forgot this quote. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

"It took a Fort Lee E.M.S. crew seven minutes to reach Ms. Genova, after they were detoured away from the traffic accident."



Perhaps you missed this part:

"The response time was only shortened by the fact that they were heading to the accident scene to assist when dispatched" to Ms. Genova, the letter says.
 
So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.


The delay actually may have helped EMS get there earlier.  That 7 minute vs. 4 minute thing was for the original accident they were dispatched to, but they then diverted to Mrs. Genova.

As for the rest, when *IS* a good time for a person to die?

My mother-in-law died in her apartment, on her couch, watching TV one night.  Massive heart attack.  Didn't find her until no one had heard from her for a couple days, and we went to check on her.  She was 50.

Now, a person that age?  I could see being a bit upset in a delay in EMS.  Hell, I'd be farkin' furious.

But a 91 year old woman who lived a full life and who was infirm, half-blind, and who probably wouldn't have survived open heart surgery anyway?

I'm going to chalk that one up to "it was her time".  We should all be lucky enough to live that long.

Believe me, I'd like nothing more than for this to ruin Chris Christie's chance at the Republican nomination, because he's no friend of the Second Amendment, but if this is what you are going to hang your hat on, it's pretty weak sauce.
 
2014-01-10 02:52:51 PM  
www.newyorker.com
 
2014-01-10 02:53:18 PM  

what_now: No, she died on the day that she had a heart attack. Look, this family DOES NOT WANT you to use their dead family member to further your agenda.

Christie is a cock and there will be PLENTY of stories about people he farked over- people who suffered in ambulances, people who didn't get a job because they were late to an interview, people who lost jobs for being late, lost wages, missed flights, missed doctors appointments etc.

Respect this family's wishes.


Very well said.
 
2014-01-10 02:53:57 PM  

what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

FTFA:
Ms. Oleri said that Fort Lee emergency responders tried to revive her mother at her home, but that her mother showed no signs of life.

Sounds like they had a good reason to believe that, what with EMS trying to revive her and failing.

You forgot this quote. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

"It took a Fort Lee E.M.S. crew seven minutes to reach Ms. Genova, after they were detoured away from the traffic accident."


So, would she have made it if they could have reached her in 4 minutes? 5? Naw, I guess the responsible thing would be to cite her age and casually dismiss her death as "her time to go". Fark that she managed to live through a World War, polio, the Cold War, Hurricane Sandy, etc. Her time to go was the day that Chris Christie's staff created a traffic jam to settle a petty dispute. That's what you're going with? That's terrible.

No, she died on the day that she had a heart attack. Look, this family DOES NOT WANT you to use their dead family member to further your agenda.

Christie is a cock and there will be PLENTY of stories about people he farked over- people who suffered in ambulances, people who didn't get a job because they were late to an interview, people who lost jobs for being late, lost wages, missed flights, missed doctors appointments etc.

Respect this family's wishes.


LOL. My agenda. Yeah, ok. I'm on the internet trying to drum up support for a revolt against Christie, from DC because I'm  nervous about Clintons chances two years from now. Seems logical. I guess we should now only investigate possible crimes if the family of the deceased signs off on it.
 
2014-01-10 02:54:11 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.

The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


They knew she was dead because Obamacare is now a go. Even if she was immediately taken to the hospital, the death panels wouldn't allocate resources to someone of her age.

Stupid farking Libs.
 
2014-01-10 02:54:29 PM  

someonelse: FirstNationalBastard: Fano: I think I saw this Twilight Zone. Isn't Christie doomed to be the ambulance driver for all eternity?

Either that, or the ambulance drivers cooked her, and served her to Christie right before an atomic blast destroyed all the forks, which wasn't fair, because there was time now. Time for all the food in the world.

Dammit. I nearly splorfed a mouthful of lunch all over. Well done.

/ the dead old lady left her grandson a special phone...


Yes but the grandson is safe because traffic is at a standstill.

Creepiest episode ever!
 
2014-01-10 02:55:52 PM  

Cymbal: Everything should be investigated thoroughly, especially something like this. And especially something like 9/11.


You must have missed where I said "it was almost surely airplanes and fires that caused it". This was being said almost immediately afterwards because it was pretty obvious on it's face. The investigations as to how the more exact structural failures happened did need to be done to prevent future engineers from making the same mistakes but the fact that it was airplanes and fires that caused it was pretty obvious even to the layman.

That was my point, that the people who were there saw a dead person and even though they weren't doctors could still somehow figure out that they were looking at a dead person in the house (not in the ambulance, in the house). Cause of death, maybe they had a good idea maybe not depending if they saw her clutch her chest and keel over or not. But here's the thing. An autopsy is not going to be able to determine if a couple of minutes would have made the difference in the case of a fatal heart attack. All it can do at best is determine the cause of death and, in the case of a heart attack just how severe it was. So then you look at what you do have, and what we do have is a statement from the people who were there that she looked dead to them before the ambulance arrived. That's it, that's where the investigation ends. It happens every day all across the land.
 
2014-01-10 02:56:42 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?
InterruptingQuirk: ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

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She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.

What are you talking about?

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She has a face?


Here, I'll prove it to you.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-10 02:58:08 PM  
 
2014-01-10 02:59:16 PM  

Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road.

*snerk*

 
2014-01-10 03:00:15 PM  
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die in a traffic jam.
 
2014-01-10 03:00:45 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.


lol because you need an autopsy to be able to tell if somebody is dead. Do you even know what a farking autopsy is? Specifically, when they are performed? You should probably ask a rocket surgeon, because you don't know shiat about shiat.
 
2014-01-10 03:01:40 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Donald_McRonald: DROxINxTHExWIND: I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people.

They're so interesting.

Truly a season of weather wonders.  I'm agreeing with DRO and hell is frozen over.


Really, you even had a couple of farkers claim that the woman must have been a bad person because her family decided not to sue over this.
 
2014-01-10 03:02:26 PM  
dittybopper:"The response time was only shortened by the fact that they were heading to the accident scene to assist when dispatched" to Ms. Genova, the letter says.


LOL. Hey buddy. Sorry that you wasted all of that text. What that comment meant was that BECAUSE OF the traffic jam, the ambulance would not have been able to get to her in 7 minutes, but they got to her in that amount of time because they were already dispatched to an accident. This means, had they been at the firehouse/hospital when they received the call to assist the heart attack victim, it would have taken them even longer. Your quote killed your point.
 
2014-01-10 03:03:22 PM  

umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.

lol because you need an autopsy to be able to tell if somebody is dead. Do you even know what a farking autopsy is? Specifically, when they are performed? You should probably ask a rocket surgeon, because you don't know shiat about shiat.



We're talking about time of death. blockhead. Try to keep up.
 
2014-01-10 03:03:36 PM  
This "scandal" has already been taken to stupid levels.  When you start hunting for people who died "because" of a scandal, you've gone of the crazy end.

-> Benghazi.
 
2014-01-10 03:04:22 PM  

I_C_Weener: Cymbal: what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.

I don't think it sounds absurd at all. A woman died, her age is irrelevant.

But I could see how someone without empathy would think he sounds absurd.

So, you care about everyone who died?  What about drone strikes on weddings in foreign countries?  Lets investigate it.  And Benghazi-gate...and the number of soldiers who have died in Afghanstan after our mission to kill OBL was accomplished?  Or are you just looking at this death different?


I don't care about everyone who dies, I care about the truth. Which is always obfuscated in this day and age. But to answer your questions, yes, drone strikes on weddings should be investigated. And Benghazi was investigated, and rightly so. It just wasn't investigated thoroughly enough to satisfy the loons in the GOP, and it probably never will. On the other hand there was no investigation into this woman's death, at least nothing in depth. Why are you so quick to write it off because she was old, or because we should respect family wishes?
 
2014-01-10 03:04:46 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.


The paramedics did reach her. They couldn't revive her at her house. She was dead then. They couldn't get her dead body back to the hospital for the official ruling of "dead" because a doctor has to sign that form.

If there was any chance that she was "holding on, fighting through" they could have summoned a helicopter to lifeflight her while stuck on the bridge.  They didn't get caught in traffic trying to get to her for the emergency call. Is that unclear?

You might as well be screaming for an investigation into the paramedics, in case they were unable to recognize signs of life in a non-responsive, 91 year old who just had a massive heart-attack and couldn't be revived.
 
2014-01-10 03:05:43 PM  

Somacandra: Really? No "In My Time of Dying" reference? Dylan, Zep, Blind Willie or Horace Sprott?



Blind Willie
Sprott           1st time     Thanks
Dylan
Zep

The Be Good Tanya's      A just miss
 
2014-01-10 03:05:47 PM  

I_C_Weener: Cymbal: what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.

I don't think it sounds absurd at all. A woman died, her age is irrelevant.

But I could see how someone without empathy would think he sounds absurd.

So, you care about everyone who died?  What about drone strikes on weddings in foreign countries?  Lets investigate it.  And Benghazi-gate...and the number of soldiers who have died in Afghanstan after our mission to kill OBL was accomplished?  Or are you just looking at this death different?


You really need to take a course in logic.

/Several of them
 
2014-01-10 03:06:18 PM  

plainlyclueless: Except when Dems use it for vote suppression.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/10/hillary-clinton-adviser-started-an -e lection-day-traffic-jam-in-2000/

DITTOHEAD ALERT


Rush Limbaugh brought out this talking point not 10 minutes ago. I was 100% certain this deflection would show up here within 15 minutes. Well done confirming my prediction.
 
2014-01-10 03:08:57 PM  

gilgigamesh: plainlyclueless: Except when Dems use it for vote suppression.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/10/hillary-clinton-adviser-started-an -e lection-day-traffic-jam-in-2000/

DITTOHEAD ALERT

Rush Limbaugh brought out this talking point not 10 minutes ago. I was 100% certain this deflection would show up here within 15 minutes. Well done confirming my prediction.


Well, they are called dittoheads for a reason. That marching formation is something to behold.
 
2014-01-10 03:10:20 PM  

DerAppie: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

And they might have believed that because she stopped breathing and didn't have a pulse.


You have to be a doctor to recognize that her breathing and her heart both stopped. According to Dro, this means you must perform an autopsy.
 
2014-01-10 03:11:21 PM  

plainlyclueless: Except when Dems use it for vote suppression.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/10/hillary-clinton-adviser-started-an -e lection-day-traffic-jam-in-2000/


Sorry, this thread is about a 91 year old woman who died, and indirectly about Chris Christie. If you'd like to talk about whatever the Daily Whine is complaining about, please submit it for approval as a new thread.
 
2014-01-10 03:11:35 PM  
They do seem awfully eager to say that it's no big deal, they don't blame the governor, and the late woman voted for him...I wonder if someone had a little chat with them first.
 
2014-01-10 03:12:29 PM  

Pangea: DROxINxTHExWIND: You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

The paramedics did reach her. They couldn't revive her at her house. She was dead then. They couldn't get her dead body back to the hospital for the official ruling of "dead" because a doctor has to sign that form.

If there was any chance that she was "holding on, fighting through" they could have summoned a helicopter to lifeflight her while stuck on the bridge.  They didn't get caught in traffic trying to get to her for the emergency call. Is that unclear?

You might as well be screaming for an investigation into the paramedics, in case they were unable to recognize signs of life in a non-responsive, 91 year old who just had a massive heart-attack and couldn't be revived.



I like the use of adjectives to drive home the point that there was absolutely NOTHING that could have been done differently and NOTHING that would have changed this woman's fate. You all claim to know that for a fact. But according to you, even if she could have been revived had they gotten to her earlier, fark it because she's 91 and the family wants it all to go away. I'm also impressed with the number of Farkers who seem to have intimate knowledge of her wishes to die unless she had a certain quality of life and your ability to predict how she would have lived, had she been saved.
 
2014-01-10 03:13:15 PM  
All sorts of docs just put up. Emails in appendix sections. Loading rather slowly at the moment.

Link
 
2014-01-10 03:14:00 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

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That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.


Are you familiar with the boy that cried wolf?  Republicans complained and called everything Obama did for 4 years a scandal and threatened impeachment.  There may have been something to Benghazi, who knows, but it got tossed on the pile of lies.  It got completely ignored in 2012, and is met with the same laughter as birthers are now.

It's kind of funny.  Christie was the only chance for the GOP to not get laughed out of the election.  Cruz/Santorum/etc. are not national contenders and would lead to a blowout of historic proportions.
 
2014-01-10 03:16:28 PM  

Cymbal: On the other hand there was no investigation into this woman's death, at least nothing in depth


How much more "Investigation" do you want? She was found looking very dead at the scene while lying on the bathroom floor for an indeterminate time before then. The hospital, soon after she arrived, declared her dead from a heart attack. All of the evidence supports the idea that she was dead before the ambulance even got to her. What do you suggest be done beyond that? Perhaps that Booth and  Saroyan go dig her up in NJ, take her to the Jeffersonian so Bones and the Squints pour over her body looking for the clue that it was anything else but that? Maybe get CSINYNJ to do an in depth analysis of all possible ambulance routes and maybe use their computers to "Enhance" traffic cam footage in order to measure the gap between vehicles using 3D lasers and shiat to see if it might have been shortened by a few yards? People die of heart attack all of the time, especially at 91 years of age. They won't even cut them open, at most they will just do a blood test looking for the chemistry that indicates a heart attack. That's it.
 
2014-01-10 03:19:25 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.

lol because you need an autopsy to be able to tell if somebody is dead. Do you even know what a farking autopsy is? Specifically, when they are performed? You should probably ask a rocket surgeon, because you don't know shiat about shiat.


We're talking about time of death. blockhead. Try to keep up.


No we aren't farkhead. We were talking about whether it was reasonable for the family to believe that she was already dead. Try to keep up.
 
2014-01-10 03:19:41 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Pangea: DROxINxTHExWIND: You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

The paramedics did reach her. They couldn't revive her at her house. She was dead then. They couldn't get her dead body back to the hospital for the official ruling of "dead" because a doctor has to sign that form.

If there was any chance that she was "holding on, fighting through" they could have summoned a helicopter to lifeflight her while stuck on the bridge.  They didn't get caught in traffic trying to get to her for the emergency call. Is that unclear?

You might as well be screaming for an investigation into the paramedics, in case they were unable to recognize signs of life in a non-responsive, 91 year old who just had a massive heart-attack and couldn't be revived.


I like the use of adjectives to drive home the point that there was absolutely NOTHING that could have been done differently and NOTHING that would have changed this woman's fate. You all claim to know that for a fact. But according to you, even if she could have been revived had they gotten to her earlier, fark it because she's 91 and the family wants it all to go away. I'm also impressed with the number of Farkers who seem to have intimate knowledge of her wishes to die unless she had a certain quality of life and your ability to predict how she would have lived, had she been saved.


Man, you are on fire today.
 
2014-01-10 03:19:54 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.


Oh, you.  Look what you've done.
 
2014-01-10 03:20:37 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Cymbal: On the other hand there was no investigation into this woman's death, at least nothing in depth

How much more "Investigation" do you want? She was found looking very dead at the scene while lying on the bathroom floor for an indeterminate time before then. The hospital, soon after she arrived, declared her dead from a heart attack. All of the evidence supports the idea that she was dead before the ambulance even got to her. What do you suggest be done beyond that? Perhaps that Booth and  Saroyan go dig her up in NJ, take her to the Jeffersonian so Bones and the Squints pour over her body looking for the clue that it was anything else but that? Maybe get CSINYNJ to do an in depth analysis of all possible ambulance routes and maybe use their computers to "Enhance" traffic cam footage in order to measure the gap between vehicles using 3D lasers and shiat to see if it might have been shortened by a few yards? People die of heart attack all of the time, especially at 91 years of age. They won't even cut them open, at most they will just do a blood test looking for the chemistry that indicates a heart attack. That's it.


At the very least, all those things sound appropriate. You must be a huge fan of death panels and must have been sorely disappointed to find out they weren't a part of the ACA. You sicken me.
 
2014-01-10 03:21:34 PM  
Man, the paid GOP shills are coming out of the woodwork.
 
2014-01-10 03:23:14 PM  

Cymbal: At the very least, all those things sound appropriate. You must be a huge fan of death panels and must have been sorely disappointed to find out they weren't a part of the ACA. You sicken me.


You do realize every single one of those things are works of pure fiction right. This has to be a Poe.
 
2014-01-10 03:23:40 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: All sorts of docs just put up. Emails in appendix sections. Loading rather slowly at the moment.

Link


exhibit f dumps it all on Wildstein
 
2014-01-10 03:24:12 PM  

Cymbal: what_now: DROxINxTHExWIND: LordJiro:
The point is, I believe, that a 24 year old might have had a decent chance of survival, and an ambulance getting there may have made a difference. A 91 year old having a heart attack? She was almost certainly farked either way, and the traffic jam changed nothing.

/Still think Christie should be thrown out on his fat ass for abusing his power.


LOL. This isn't even about Christie to me anymore. I am seriously sickened by the callous disregard for the lives of old people. I mean, you all aren't even speaking in code. You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

You wanna maybe dial it down a little? You sound absurd.

I don't think it sounds absurd at all. A woman died, her age is irrelevant.

But I could see how someone without empathy would think he sounds absurd.


Go be ENFP somewhere else
 
2014-01-10 03:24:59 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I like the use of adjectives to drive home the point that there was absolutely NOTHING that could have been done differently and NOTHING that would have changed this woman's fate. You all claim to know that for a fact. But according to you, even if she could have been revived had they gotten to her earlier, fark it because she's 91 and the family wants it all to go away. I'm also impressed with the number of Farkers who seem to have intimate knowledge of her wishes to die unless she had a certain quality of life and your ability to predict how she would have lived, had she been saved.


You keep focusing on the "belief" of the family. I never mentioned a DNR, so don't use those other posts in an effort to discredit mine.

You continue to neglect the medical opinion of the highly-trained professionals that arrived on-scene, and subsequently determined that calling life-flight was unnecessary because she was already dead.

This is you second-guessing trained-professionals who were actually there. Something could have been done differently if they had determined something else would have a chance to save her.
 
2014-01-10 03:25:46 PM  

umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: DROxINxTHExWIND: Nana's Vibrator: The family member's quote I saw (DNRTFA) said she thought she was 91 and already dead before her body left the house.  At this point I think I'd be more worried about lawsuits from people who suffered injuries in car accidents and suffered 5-10 minutes longer due to a willfully terrible act.  Suffering costs money.

No it didn't. It said they BELIEVE that she may have died before she left the house. BELIEVE.

Exactly. Only rocket surgeons can actually tell when somebody is dead. It is waaaay too complicated to do for the layman.


The family are not doctors, champ. Or did the daughter conduct an autopsy before their interview? I may have missed that part. I was watching a special about hyenas.

lol because you need an autopsy to be able to tell if somebody is dead. Do you even know what a farking autopsy is? Specifically, when they are performed? You should probably ask a rocket surgeon, because you don't know shiat about shiat.


We're talking about time of death. blockhead. Try to keep up.

No we aren't farkhead. We were talking about whether it was reasonable for the family to believe that she was already dead. Try to keep up.



Reasonable? Why the fark would we be discussing whether its reasonable for someone who wasn't on the scene to believe she was dead? "Believe" was highlighted to show the absurdity of their quote which said that they "believe" she was dead and so therefore "the traffic didn't make any difference". I pointed out to the gentleman who I was originally speaking with that the basis of her conclusion is a guess. This is the last time that your inability to read will be tolerated. I'm not breaking shiat down for you anymore.
 
2014-01-10 03:26:54 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Cymbal: At the very least, all those things sound appropriate. You must be a huge fan of death panels and must have been sorely disappointed to find out they weren't a part of the ACA. You sicken me.

You do realize every single one of those things are works of pure fiction right. This has to be a Poe.


Yet not science fiction, which means they have non-fiction equivalencies. Study it out!
 
2014-01-10 03:28:35 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Reasonable? Why the fark would we be discussing whether its reasonable for someone who wasn't on the scene to believe she was dead?


Wasn't at the scene? Just who the fark do you think called 911?
 
2014-01-10 03:29:25 PM  

Cymbal: You must be a huge fan of death panels and must have been sorely disappointed to find out they weren't a part of the ACA. You sicken me.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-10 03:29:46 PM  
imageshack.com
Aid: Good news Governor! The family decided not to sue!
Chris: What family?
 
2014-01-10 03:30:32 PM  
Another governor of the wrong party getting slammed, and problems with the actual chief executive getting ignored. Typical.
 
2014-01-10 03:30:51 PM  

Pangea: DROxINxTHExWIND: I like the use of adjectives to drive home the point that there was absolutely NOTHING that could have been done differently and NOTHING that would have changed this woman's fate. You all claim to know that for a fact. But according to you, even if she could have been revived had they gotten to her earlier, fark it because she's 91 and the family wants it all to go away. I'm also impressed with the number of Farkers who seem to have intimate knowledge of her wishes to die unless she had a certain quality of life and your ability to predict how she would have lived, had she been saved.

You keep focusing on the "belief" of the family. I never mentioned a DNR, so don't use those other posts in an effort to discredit mine.

You continue to neglect the medical opinion of the highly-trained professionals that arrived on-scene, and subsequently determined that calling life-flight was unnecessary because she was already dead.

This is you second-guessing trained-professionals who were actually there. Something could have been done differently if they had determined something else would have a chance to save her.


I'm not moved. By their very nature, investigations second guess the decisions of everyone who was involved in a process. EFTs don't fark up now? Maybe they didn't need to call the chopper in because they got there too late? Is that a possibility?
 
2014-01-10 03:31:16 PM  
Sounds like she had a really rare morning.
aytiws.com
 
2014-01-10 03:31:46 PM  

plainlyclueless: Except when Dems use it for vote suppression.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/10/hillary-clinton-adviser-started-an -e lection-day-traffic-jam-in-2000/


Because a motorcade is EXACTLY the same thing as a blockade, according to conservative logic.
 
2014-01-10 03:33:22 PM  

Lorelle: plainlyclueless: Except when Dems use it for vote suppression.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/10/hillary-clinton-adviser-started-an -e lection-day-traffic-jam-in-2000/

Because a motorcade is EXACTLY the same thing as a blockade, according to conservative logic.


A blockade that lasts four solid days. Yes exactly the same in their eyes.
 
2014-01-10 03:35:49 PM  

Cymbal: Study it out!


I'mma gonna get right on that. A new episode of Bones comes on tonight, also Blue Bloods for the NYPD angle. Oh and The Neighbors too, just for the NJ aspect of it. Maybe I'll see something that was missed! I get back to you. But first there are some youtube documentaries I need to look at to bone up on my sleuthing skillz.
 
2014-01-10 03:38:42 PM  

GORDON: Another governor of the wrong party getting slammed, and problems with the actual chief executive getting ignored. Typical.


185+ comments in?  Where the hell were you 4 pages ago?
 
2014-01-10 03:38:43 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Pangea: DROxINxTHExWIND: I like the use of adjectives to drive home the point that there was absolutely NOTHING that could have been done differently and NOTHING that would have changed this woman's fate. You all claim to know that for a fact. But according to you, even if she could have been revived had they gotten to her earlier, fark it because she's 91 and the family wants it all to go away. I'm also impressed with the number of Farkers who seem to have intimate knowledge of her wishes to die unless she had a certain quality of life and your ability to predict how she would have lived, had she been saved.

You keep focusing on the "belief" of the family. I never mentioned a DNR, so don't use those other posts in an effort to discredit mine.

You continue to neglect the medical opinion of the highly-trained professionals that arrived on-scene, and subsequently determined that calling life-flight was unnecessary because she was already dead.

This is you second-guessing trained-professionals who were actually there. Something could have been done differently if they had determined something else would have a chance to save her.

I'm not moved. By their very nature, investigations second guess the decisions of everyone who was involved in a process. EFTs don't fark up now? Maybe they didn't need to call the chopper in because they got there too late? Is that a possibility?



LOL. I have one screen on Fark and the other on work. Sometimes they mix. Hopefully, I'll never accidentally call my boss a n00b or a bigot because I got my monitors crossed.


/accountant
 
2014-01-10 03:40:10 PM  

Lorelle: Because a motorcade is EXACTLY the same thing as a blockade, according to conservative logic.


Not just any old blockade... a ROLLING Blockade. That's like blockade x4, I mean just imagine, that sucker could turn up A N Y W H E R E. At least with a regular blockade the news chopper can give you a heads up and you can go around it and stuff, not so with a rolling one. Because you see it's always moving.
 
2014-01-10 03:46:29 PM  
LIGHT'EM UP!!!

i43.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-10 03:47:44 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. I have one screen on Fark and the other on work. Sometimes they mix. Hopefully, I'll never accidentally call my boss a n00b or a bigot because I got my monitors crossed.


/accountant


CSB(though not mine)

A friend of mine has a similar set up to you at his job. One day, he meant to post a "You be trollin" type image on whatever board he was on at the time, and accidentally included it in an email he was writing to his boss. His boss responded a couple minutes with "If you like your job, you will come to my office. Now." My friend panicked and practically ran to his bosses's office. When he got there, his boss unleashed a can of silly string at him. My friend stood there confused for a moment, at which point his boss said "You said I'm a troll, so I figured I'd troll you. Now get back to work and next time pay more attention to which web window is open."

/end CSB
//yes, he still works there
 
2014-01-10 03:48:06 PM  
I think that the question that we are all missing here is this... Was she a hot prohibition era floozy when she was 19? I mean like flashing ankles and everything like life owed her a good time and so she was gonna go out and chase it down if she had to by golly?
 
2014-01-10 03:48:19 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Cymbal: Study it out!

I'mma gonna get right on that. A new episode of Bones comes on tonight, also Blue Bloods for the NYPD angle. Oh and The Neighbors too, just for the NJ aspect of it. Maybe I'll see something that was missed! I get back to you. But first there are some youtube documentaries I need to look at to bone up on my sleuthing skillz.


You should prob mix in some House too. He was like a modern day Sherlock Holmes. And the show was set in New Jersey to boot!

House would have saved granny for sure.
 
2014-01-10 03:48:56 PM  
So.... Death Panels by traffic jams?  BRILLIANT!

/no one will care about this in a week
//especially non-East Coasters
///not like they were going to vote for him in the general election anyway.
 
2014-01-10 03:51:01 PM  

Cymbal: You should prob mix in some House too. He was like a modern day Sherlock Holmes. And the show was set in New Jersey to boot!

House would have saved granny for sure.


I never did  like House, not enough Lupus for my taste.

\one more episode of Sherlock to go this Sunday, can't forget that
 
2014-01-10 03:51:49 PM  
"grave concern"

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-01-10 03:52:24 PM  

Radioactive Ass: I think that the question that we are all missing here is this... Was she a hot prohibition era floozy when she was 19? I mean like flashing ankles and everything like life owed her a good time and so she was gonna go out and chase it down if she had to by golly?


You mean those naughty flapper girls? Just thinking about them makes my nipples hard.
 
2014-01-10 03:54:08 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Whatchoo Talkinbout: IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 294x171]


That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?
InterruptingQuirk: ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

[static2.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x1288]

She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.

What are you talking about?

[www.tvovermind.com image 405x522]

She has a face?

Here, I'll prove it to you.

[img.fark.net image 500x750]



Still missing it. could be me.
 
2014-01-10 03:54:54 PM  
Grandma got run over by Chris Christie

Dying at home on the can
 
2014-01-10 03:56:24 PM  

Critch: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 294x171]


That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Are you familiar with the boy that cried wolf?  Republicans complained and called everything Obama did for 4 years a scandal and threatened impeachment.  There may have been something to Benghazi, who knows, but it got tossed on the pile of lies.  It got completely ignored in 2012, and is met with the same laughter as birthers are now.

It's kind of funny.  Christie was the only chance for the GOP to not get laughed out of the election.  Cruz/Santorum/etc. are not national contenders and would lead to a blowout of historic proportions.


The Obamacare rollout and IRS pile of lies? Exactly.
 
2014-01-10 03:57:59 PM  
Does this mean Barbara Buono becomes president?
 
2014-01-10 03:58:57 PM  

Cymbal: You mean those naughty flapper girls? Just thinking about them makes my nipples hard.


www.rave.ca
 
2014-01-10 04:12:10 PM  

dantheman195: Does this mean Barbara Buono becomes president?


"I don't always co-op liberal jokes, but when I do, I use them terribly."
 
2014-01-10 04:22:15 PM  

Pangea: because a doctor has to sign that form.

"Who Signs It?
According to the National Association of Medical Examiners about 20 percent of all death certificates are signed by a coroner or a medical examiner. Since autopsy rates have plummeted in hospitals, death investigators now perform the majority of the nation's autopsies, which remain a vital barometer for revealing causes that might otherwise have been missed. In 2007, the latest data available from the CDC, 201,000 autopsies were performed, accounting for just 8 percent of all deaths.
Others who can sign a death certificate include a primary physician, an attending physician, a non-attending physician, a medical examiner, a nurse practitioner, a forensic pathologist or a coroner, but it varies according to state law. In Texas, for example, a justice of the peace can sign. Typically, deaths have to be recorded with local health departments within 72 hours of the death, and to the state within five to seven days."

 
2014-01-10 04:28:50 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: InterruptingQuirk: Whatchoo Talkinbout: IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 294x171]


That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?
InterruptingQuirk: ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

[static2.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x1288]

She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.

What are you talking about?

[www.tvovermind.com image 405x522]

She has a face?

Here, I'll prove it to you.

[img.fark.net image 500x750]


Still missing it. could be me.


This is something I can keep at till we get it figured out

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-10 04:35:17 PM  

grumpfuff: dantheman195: Does this mean Barbara Buono becomes president?

"I don't always co-op liberal jokes, but when I do, I use them terribly."


co-opt.
 
2014-01-10 04:39:26 PM  

Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.


So you are saying they are not blaming him because it really wasn't his fault??
 
2014-01-10 04:40:04 PM  

This text is now purple: grumpfuff: dantheman195: Does this mean Barbara Buono becomes president?

"I don't always co-op liberal jokes, but when I do, I use them terribly."

co-opt.


Spell checking is for libtards.
 
2014-01-10 05:05:09 PM  

kindms: So we have political revenge because the Mayor of Fort Lee a democrat didn't want to back a republican for Gov. against his party etc. So Christie's folks shut down the ramps to the GW Bridge and cause a bunch of BS to a bunch of people that had nothing to do with either of them, Had kids getting to School at 11AM instead of 8 or 9 and causing traffic nightmares for anyone trying to get over the bridge. They then stonewalled when the folks from across the bridge in NY wanted answers. Cuomo was getting stonewalled as well and none of this came out until subpoenas started getting sent out


Bring up what I consider to be the first rule of human conduct. When you see someone do something shiaty to someone else, if you stick around eventually they'll do it to you too. Christie and his toadies do stuff like this? Well if people want more of it and harder, keep voting for the man.
 
2014-01-10 05:21:31 PM  
Pangea:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x401]

They canceled Medicare?

I must have missed that.
 
2014-01-10 06:14:42 PM  
Didn't the family say earlier today she was dead before the ambulance got there?
 
2014-01-10 06:17:01 PM  

grumpfuff: DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. I have one screen on Fark and the other on work. Sometimes they mix. Hopefully, I'll never accidentally call my boss a n00b or a bigot because I got my monitors crossed.


/accountant

CSB(though not mine)

A friend of mine has a similar set up to you at his job. One day, he meant to post a "You be trollin" type image on whatever board he was on at the time, and accidentally included it in an email he was writing to his boss. His boss responded a couple minutes with "If you like your job, you will come to my office. Now." My friend panicked and practically ran to his bosses's office. When he got there, his boss unleashed a can of silly string at him. My friend stood there confused for a moment, at which point his boss said "You said I'm a troll, so I figured I'd troll you. Now get back to work and next time pay more attention to which web window is open."

/end CSB
//yes, he still works there


Sounds like an awesome boss he's got.
 
2014-01-10 06:41:12 PM  

gibbon1: kindms: So we have political revenge because the Mayor of Fort Lee a democrat didn't want to back a republican for Gov. against his party etc. So Christie's folks shut down the ramps to the GW Bridge and cause a bunch of BS to a bunch of people that had nothing to do with either of them, Had kids getting to School at 11AM instead of 8 or 9 and causing traffic nightmares for anyone trying to get over the bridge. They then stonewalled when the folks from across the bridge in NY wanted answers. Cuomo was getting stonewalled as well and none of this came out until subpoenas started getting sent out

Bring up what I consider to be the first rule of human conduct. When you see someone do something shiaty to someone else, if you stick around eventually they'll do it to you too. Christie and his toadies do stuff like this? Well if people want more of it and harder, keep voting for the man.


OK. I'm glad I have your permission.
 
2014-01-10 06:44:54 PM  
I bet if the parties were switched, this would not be good enough to satisfy the ensuing bloodlust.
 
2014-01-10 06:52:46 PM  
What difference at this point does it make?
 
2014-01-10 07:03:38 PM  

TheIndependent: In any event, WSJ actually had it right when they said, "Compared to using the IRS against political opponents, closing traffic lanes is jaywalking."


So, did the Wall Street Journal provide any accompanying PROOF that Obama, or his closest aides, had used the IRS to Fark with his political opponents?   Because, from everything I have read - there's never been a scintilla of actual evidence provided that showed this was the case.

What I have seen is that ALL groups of that nature were getting a thorough examination to make sure they weren't engaged in partisan political activities as their primary activity as they would not be in compliance with the Federal Statute.  It seems like pretty much ALL such groups got "singled" out (a non-sequitur) for such review and testimony established that this treatment originated with a former Bush appointee as part of an overall process to weed out those who didn't actually qualify for that particular status with the IRS.

Now, if anyone can point to any proof to show otherwise I would appreciate it, otherwise STOP with the farking unsubstantiated claims already.
 
2014-01-10 07:37:49 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Whatchoo Talkinbout: InterruptingQuirk: Whatchoo Talkinbout: IamTomJoad: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 294x171]


That's just a dead ambassador and some marines or seals or something or other. CHRISTIE'S REPUBLICAN, DAMMITALL.

Gee, that sounds awful bad. You think someone is going to look into that to find out what went wrong?
InterruptingQuirk: ReverendJynxed: InterruptingQuirk: Last time, but beautiful pics of beautiful chicks come in threes

[static2.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x1288]

She's got the Romney tiny-face thing going on.

What are you talking about?

[www.tvovermind.com image 405x522]

She has a face?

Here, I'll prove it to you.

[img.fark.net image 500x750]


Still missing it. could be me.

This is something I can keep at till we get it figured out

[img.fark.net image 325x496]


Hmmm.  Maybe I can help?

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-10 08:28:01 PM  

kbronsito: Nabb1: The idealist in me says these folks are taking the high road. But the cynic in me killed that idealist a long time ago and they probably got in contact with her doctor who must have said she wasn't going to live through that no matter what and the ambulance ride was a formality.

~~It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth as much as a living, severely-maimed plaintiff. However, if it's a long slow agonizing death, as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, the value can rise considerably. A dead adult in his 20s is generally worth less than one who is middle aged. A dead woman less than a dead man. A single adult less than one who's married. Black less than white. Poor less than rich. The perfect victim is a white male professional, 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, struck down in his prime. And the most imperfect? Well, in the calculus of personal injury law, a dead child is worth the least of all.
-A Civil Action


As a white male professional who turns forty this year, I'm...not sure how I feel about this
 
2014-01-10 08:30:48 PM  
I like the way he is taking the high ground and suggesting he had nothing too do with it.

LOL MUAHAHA.

It's ole schoole to blame the help, you w*nker.
 
2014-01-10 08:36:51 PM  
She was 91. She was in cardiac arrest. There's not a whole hell of a lot you can do about it. Her body wouldn't have healed from the trauma of CPR even if they were able to get a ROSC. She probably wouldn't have lived for more than a few hours ....excuse me....her heart would have probably stopped beating again afyer a few hours anyway.
I'm glad this family isn't being cocksucking assholes. Clearly the aren't Teabagging Republicans.
Not sure why they were transporting unless she arrested en route.....nope it was an unattended death. Still not sure why they transported.
 
2014-01-10 08:42:51 PM  

Lsherm: Didn't the family say earlier today she was dead before the ambulance got there?


Haven't you been listening to DRO? Only a doctor can tell if somebody is dead.
 
2014-01-10 08:55:33 PM  

umad: Lsherm: Didn't the family say earlier today she was dead before the ambulance got there?

Haven't you been listening to DRO? Only a doctor can tell if somebody is dead.


DRO was trolling and should get a FARK award for it because so many bit.
 
2014-01-10 09:09:18 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Pangea: DROxINxTHExWIND: You're really saying, "meh" to the possibility that a woman died because paramedics could not reach her....even as you acknowledge the possibility that she could have been saved. It's pretty ridiculous.

The paramedics did reach her. They couldn't revive her at her house. She was dead then. They couldn't get her dead body back to the hospital for the official ruling of "dead" because a doctor has to sign that form.

If there was any chance that she was "holding on, fighting through" they could have summoned a helicopter to lifeflight her while stuck on the bridge.  They didn't get caught in traffic trying to get to her for the emergency call. Is that unclear?

You might as well be screaming for an investigation into the paramedics, in case they were unable to recognize signs of life in a non-responsive, 91 year old who just had a massive heart-attack and couldn't be revived.


I like the use of adjectives to drive home the point that there was absolutely NOTHING that could have been done differently and NOTHING that would have changed this woman's fate. You all claim to know that for a fact. But according to you, even if she could have been revived had they gotten to her earlier, fark it because she's 91 and the family wants it all to go away. I'm also impressed with the number of Farkers who seem to have intimate knowledge of her wishes to die unless she had a certain quality of life and your ability to predict how she would have lived, had she been saved.


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2014-01-10 09:15:34 PM  

DFWTCU: So.... Death Panels by traffic jams?  BRILLIANT!


It's much more than that.

Thanks to the NSA, Obama was well aware of the bridge closing prior to it occurring. He had his Chicago thugs ready for when the traffic jam started. (At this point he had already bought off the relatives taking care of her) Once the traffic jam started the thugs moved in and took her out. Why you ask? The Obama Administration and Democrats fear C.C. more than anything. They knew the bridge situation would cause problems for him and wanted to make sure it would cause big problems. What better way to take out your most feared enemy than pinning a tragic death on him on top of a scandal. It's the Chicago way. It should also be noted that the bouquet of flowers the woman was holding in her casket contained a single Arugula leaf.
 
2014-01-10 09:29:04 PM  
This Thread delivers
peterjsullivan.files.wordpress.com

Not a moment of introspection, and showing no sign of contrition. Just attackattackattack.
Is it possible to give an entire political party a rabies shot?
 
2014-01-10 09:31:06 PM  
At least Christie didn't sit on the bridge.
 
2014-01-10 10:01:01 PM  

tinyarena: Is it possible to give an entire political party a rabies shot?


I think the party already has the rabies. It needs the other type of shot.

Bucky Katt: At least Christie didn't sit on the bridge.


lutz
 
2014-01-10 10:10:27 PM  

nyseattitude: DFWTCU: So.... Death Panels by traffic jams?  BRILLIANT!

It's much more than that.

Thanks to the NSA, Obama was well aware of the bridge closing prior to it occurring. He had his Chicago thugs ready for when the traffic jam started. (At this point he had already bought off the relatives taking care of her) Once the traffic jam started the thugs moved in and took her out. Why you ask? The Obama Administration and Democrats fear C.C. more than anything. They knew the bridge situation would cause problems for him and wanted to make sure it would cause big problems. What better way to take out your most feared enemy than pinning a tragic death on him on top of a scandal. It's the Chicago way. It should also be noted that the bouquet of flowers the woman was holding in her casket contained a single Arugula leaf.


You forgot where they sold guns to Mexica drug dealers in order to hide his real birth certificate because it was kept in a safe in Benghazi and the attack onn the Embassy was really done by Tea Party Patriots to liberate it
 
2014-01-11 02:52:15 PM  
Has anyone pointed out that these folks live in Closter, NJ? They probably own the printing plant that prints money to lend to God. A lawsuit that will drag their names into the media isn't worth it for them. Besides, even if they win another few million dollars, where they gonna go? Alpine?
 
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