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(Network World)   Target: Did we say 40 million victims? We meant 70 million   (networkworld.com) divider line 21
    More: Followup, Target, credit monitoring, data breach, Gregg Steinhafel  
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2014-01-10 01:48:40 PM  
2 votes:

DoBeDoBeDo: This theft is not a new breach, but was uncovered as part of the ongoing investigation. At this time, the investigation has determined that the stolen information includes names, mailing addresses, phone numbers or email addresses for up to 70 million individuals


But it was totally just a couple of hacked POS devices that were skimming cards.   We SWEAR we didn't have a database full of full track data!!!!!

Honestly, I think the brands should drop Target like a steaming turd.


I said in the other thread that I thought a POS hack was very unlikely and it was probably a database breach.   This will not change shiat about the way Target does business in any case, they make a living on targeted marketing,  They know your pregnant before your family does  http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured - out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/   and there is no way in hell they are giving that up over some trivial fine.
2014-01-10 01:45:18 PM  
2 votes:

CitizenjaQ: jtown:

Um...Because they shouldn't be storing credit card information from their POS systems.  There's no reason to retain that data once the transaction is complete.  Target shouldn't have access to it at all.  It should go straight to the payment processor who returns the appropriate code (complete, declined, error, etc.).

You're right, they shouldn't. I meant why wouldn't they have a record of every single  transaction ever, minus the personal information. Storing unencrypted credit card data within each transaction is a bad decision, but that's a separate decision from saving each transaction.


You do realize that the issue here is the loss of personal information, right?  Nobody would be talking about this if it was just sales data.
2014-01-10 01:11:10 PM  
2 votes:

Cyclometh: There are 313.9 million people in the US, which means that 22% of Americans have had their credit card data compromised.

That's farking insane.


You are assuming everyone has a credit card. I don't think you can have one before the age of 18. Many adults don't have them either. Assuming 60% populations has CC, that's about one in every 3 persons who has cards. If we assume an average person has 4 cards, and only one got stolen, its about 1 in 12 cards in the US got stolen.

Farking Insane.
2014-01-10 01:02:29 PM  
2 votes:

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


Some groceries; and then stuff.  Lots of stuff.  A cornucopia of stuff, all in one place.  In fact, you can probably find just about any kind of stuff you might be looking for there.  Things too.  Lots of things.  Things for the home, things for the car, things for the kids.  You can walk in there and can easily come out with things and stuff.  I think some areas even have ordinances that compel anyone walking into a Target to spend $50.

/Don't underestimate America's appetite for stuff.  and things.
2014-01-10 01:57:42 PM  
1 votes:

jtown: CitizenjaQ: jtown: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

Had.  Had 70 million shoppers.

And, yeah, that sounds like a preposterous number unless they've been storing the data from every transaction they've ever had since they opened for business.

...and why wouldn't they?

Um...Because they shouldn't be storing credit card information from their POS systems.  There's no reason to retain that data once the transaction is complete.  Target shouldn't have access to it at all.  It should go straight to the payment processor who returns the appropriate code (complete, declined, error, etc.).


They keep all that data stored at the POS level for returns.  If you don't have your receipt, you can hand them the card you think you used for the original transaction.  All the previous transactions will pop up if it has ever been used in a Target.

Convenient for returns, but a security nightmare.
2014-01-10 01:54:29 PM  
1 votes:

Incog_Neeto: DoBeDoBeDo: This theft is not a new breach, but was uncovered as part of the ongoing investigation. At this time, the investigation has determined that the stolen information includes names, mailing addresses, phone numbers or email addresses for up to 70 million individuals


But it was totally just a couple of hacked POS devices that were skimming cards.   We SWEAR we didn't have a database full of full track data!!!!!

Honestly, I think the brands should drop Target like a steaming turd.

I said in the other thread that I thought a POS hack was very unlikely and it was probably a database breach.   This will not change shiat about the way Target does business in any case, they make a living on targeted marketing,  They know your pregnant before your family does  http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured - out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/   and there is no way in hell they are giving that up over some trivial fine.


That's why I hope the card brands tell them they can no longer accept CC's, since it's obvious they were storing full track data and unencrypted at that.  They should be dropped and their QSA should be black listed for good.

But again that's just me hoping that someone wants the PCI-DSS to actually mean something.   But they'll get a slap on the wrist and sent on their way.   No way the government would let a company that big take a hit like that anyway.
2014-01-10 01:43:17 PM  
1 votes:

strife: Target confesses? Did they deliberately skew the numbers or did they give what was originally thought to be a fair estimate?

/haven't followed this too much


This is a different breach, uncovered during the investigation of the first one.
2014-01-10 01:41:35 PM  
1 votes:

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


The one by me actually has a decent grocery section. I got wrapped up because I bought a $3 pair of gloves and a loaf of bread one night.
2014-01-10 01:34:55 PM  
1 votes:

strife: Target confesses? Did they deliberately skew the numbers or did they give what was originally thought to be a fair estimate?

/haven't followed this too much


I'm thinking they skewed the numbers. They probably didn't even want to release the 40 million estimate till AFTER the holidays. They didn't want to freak out the consumerists getting their spending addiction kick but had to before someone else leaked it.
2014-01-10 01:30:40 PM  
1 votes:

mayIFark: Cyclometh: There are 313.9 million people in the US, which means that 22% of Americans have had their credit card data compromised.

That's farking insane.

You are assuming everyone has a credit card. I don't think you can have one before the age of 18. Many adults don't have them either. Assuming 60% populations has CC, that's about one in every 3 persons who has cards. If we assume an average person has 4 cards, and only one got stolen, its about 1 in 12 cards in the US got stolen.

Farking Insane.


Probably a fair amount of Canadians too. We (now) have Target up here, but US Target prices are way cheaper.

/And it's pronounced "Tarzhey"
2014-01-10 01:28:08 PM  
1 votes:

Nemo's Brother: Last time I went there, I went in to buy some cheap running shoes and some jeans.  The old nag working the register chewed me out for daring to bring clothes to an express line during lunch hours.  Just none stop nagging. I went to complain to the manager but no manager came so I left.


CSB
2014-01-10 01:23:21 PM  
1 votes:

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


I buy groceries.  Supermarkets operate on a MUCH thinner margin than big-box retail stores do.  So, for places like Target & WalMart, groceries are loss-leaders.  Groceries are often WAY cheaper than the supermarket and the stores make up the difference w/a high markup on everything else in the store.  Because, you know, you're already here so you might as well see if they have those bath towels you've been meaning to get...

Also, I buy Starbucks, because it's the closest one to my house.
2014-01-10 01:22:40 PM  
1 votes:

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


All the ones around here have expanded their grocery sections a lot the past few years, i still couldnt do all my grocery shopping there, but most of it if i wanted to.

Last time we were there we bought... garbage bags, qtips, shampoo, kleenex, a glade plugin refill, a toothbrush, otc allergy medication and soda. Probably all stuff that could have been purchased at the grocery store, but they dont have as much of a selection for most of that stuff.
2014-01-10 01:11:25 PM  
1 votes:
I wonder if Catalina has anything to do with the data breach.
2014-01-10 01:08:23 PM  
1 votes:

CitizenjaQ: jtown: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

Had.  Had 70 million shoppers.

And, yeah, that sounds like a preposterous number unless they've been storing the data from every transaction they've ever had since they opened for business.

...and why wouldn't they?


Um...Because they shouldn't be storing credit card information from their POS systems.  There's no reason to retain that data once the transaction is complete.  Target shouldn't have access to it at all.  It should go straight to the payment processor who returns the appropriate code (complete, declined, error, etc.).
2014-01-10 01:04:13 PM  
1 votes:
There are 313.9 million people in the US, which means that 22% of Americans have had their credit card data compromised.

That's farking insane.
2014-01-10 12:56:44 PM  
1 votes:
This theft is not a new breach, but was uncovered as part of the ongoing investigation. At this time, the investigation has determined that the stolen information includes names, mailing addresses, phone numbers or email addresses for up to 70 million individuals


But it was totally just a couple of hacked POS devices that were skimming cards.   We SWEAR we didn't have a database full of full track data!!!!!

Honestly, I think the brands should drop Target like a steaming turd.
2014-01-10 12:56:13 PM  
1 votes:
That's it. I'm taking my business to the locally owned store on Main Street.

/Oh wait, it closed.
2014-01-10 12:53:37 PM  
1 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?


I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.
2014-01-10 12:16:44 PM  
1 votes:
Target has 70 million shoppers?
2014-01-10 12:05:03 PM  
1 votes:
What they mean to say is, everyone.  Everyone's information was compromised.
 
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