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2014-01-10 12:05:03 PM  
What they mean to say is, everyone.  Everyone's information was compromised.
 
2014-01-10 12:05:06 PM  
Hehehe, rubes.  Sooner or later those idiots will learn to use the internet and get their identities stolen like normal people.
 
2014-01-10 12:08:37 PM  
This is why I pay in bitcoins at the dollar store.
 
2014-01-10 12:16:44 PM  
Target has 70 million shoppers?
 
2014-01-10 12:51:48 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?


Yes, and only 3 open checkout lanes.
 
2014-01-10 12:52:21 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?


Bullseye
 
2014-01-10 12:52:40 PM  
That's it! I'm taking my business elsewhere, to Bradlees.
 
2014-01-10 12:53:02 PM  
Last time I shopped at target was about 8 years ago, and I think somehow they managed to leak my CC info as well. And I used cash.
 
2014-01-10 12:53:15 PM  
Our bad.
 
2014-01-10 12:53:37 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?


I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.
 
GBB
2014-01-10 12:55:15 PM  
And upskirt shots.

The data thieves got millions of upskirt shots of customers using their credit and debit cards with PIN.
 
2014-01-10 12:56:13 PM  
That's it. I'm taking my business to the locally owned store on Main Street.

/Oh wait, it closed.
 
2014-01-10 12:56:44 PM  
This theft is not a new breach, but was uncovered as part of the ongoing investigation. At this time, the investigation has determined that the stolen information includes names, mailing addresses, phone numbers or email addresses for up to 70 million individuals


But it was totally just a couple of hacked POS devices that were skimming cards.   We SWEAR we didn't have a database full of full track data!!!!!

Honestly, I think the brands should drop Target like a steaming turd.
 
2014-01-10 12:56:47 PM  
That's nothing. Wal-Mart has waaaaaaaaaaay more victims than that.
 
2014-01-10 12:57:04 PM  

Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.


I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?
 
2014-01-10 12:57:15 PM  
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2014-01-10 12:59:25 PM  

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


I just go for the ambiance.
 
2014-01-10 01:00:08 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?


Had.  Had 70 million shoppers.

And, yeah, that sounds like a preposterous number unless they've been storing the data from every transaction they've ever had since they opened for business.
 
2014-01-10 01:01:15 PM  

FarkingReading: mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?

I just go for the ambiance.


The one in our town had a small lunch counter that served a mean microwave ham and cheese.
 
2014-01-10 01:01:37 PM  

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


I bought a heated mattress pad from them this week.  Only place I could find that had them in stock.  I paid with cash.
 
2014-01-10 01:02:29 PM  

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


Some groceries; and then stuff.  Lots of stuff.  A cornucopia of stuff, all in one place.  In fact, you can probably find just about any kind of stuff you might be looking for there.  Things too.  Lots of things.  Things for the home, things for the car, things for the kids.  You can walk in there and can easily come out with things and stuff.  I think some areas even have ordinances that compel anyone walking into a Target to spend $50.

/Don't underestimate America's appetite for stuff.  and things.
 
2014-01-10 01:02:51 PM  

jtown: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

Had.  Had 70 million shoppers.

And, yeah, that sounds like a preposterous number unless they've been storing the data from every transaction they've ever had since they opened for business.


...and why wouldn't they?
 
2014-01-10 01:03:37 PM  
Last time I went there, I went in to buy some cheap running shoes and some jeans.  The old nag working the register chewed me out for daring to bring clothes to an express line during lunch hours.  Just none stop nagging. I went to complain to the manager but no manager came so I left.
 
2014-01-10 01:04:13 PM  
There are 313.9 million people in the US, which means that 22% of Americans have had their credit card data compromised.

That's farking insane.
 
2014-01-10 01:08:23 PM  

CitizenjaQ: jtown: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

Had.  Had 70 million shoppers.

And, yeah, that sounds like a preposterous number unless they've been storing the data from every transaction they've ever had since they opened for business.

...and why wouldn't they?


Um...Because they shouldn't be storing credit card information from their POS systems.  There's no reason to retain that data once the transaction is complete.  Target shouldn't have access to it at all.  It should go straight to the payment processor who returns the appropriate code (complete, declined, error, etc.).
 
2014-01-10 01:11:10 PM  

Cyclometh: There are 313.9 million people in the US, which means that 22% of Americans have had their credit card data compromised.

That's farking insane.


You are assuming everyone has a credit card. I don't think you can have one before the age of 18. Many adults don't have them either. Assuming 60% populations has CC, that's about one in every 3 persons who has cards. If we assume an average person has 4 cards, and only one got stolen, its about 1 in 12 cards in the US got stolen.

Farking Insane.
 
2014-01-10 01:11:20 PM  
Just a reminder about Target's data collection and correlation:
How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did
 
2014-01-10 01:11:25 PM  
I wonder if Catalina has anything to do with the data breach.
 
2014-01-10 01:11:28 PM  

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


In my area, it's MILF's loading up carts with stuff that they could easily get cheaper somewhere else, but don't really care.
Personally, I hate Target. I never find what I'm looking for half the time, and anything electric/electronic I have bought from them ends up breaking a few months later. The clothing prices are ridiculous. $20 for a basic polo shirt? Come on! I had a $25 gift card so I did stop in one the other day, but couldn't find the majority of things I had on my list. I mainly used it on food (for whatever reason they turned 1/4 of the store into a mini grocery store) and cleaning supplies (and paying the balance in cash of course). Believe it or not, I wish they never closed the Kmart in my town.
/A Super Walmart is currently under construction in a new shopping center right next door
 
2014-01-10 01:11:29 PM  

whither_apophis: This is why I pay in bitcoins at the dollar store.



The dollar store is a bit too formal. They expect me to wear pants.
 
2014-01-10 01:14:52 PM  
As someone who just got his B.S. in IT/IS and who lives an hour south of the Target corporate office I eagerly await the job openings.
 
2014-01-10 01:17:55 PM  

PainInTheASP: FarkingReading: mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?

I just go for the ambiance.

The one in our town had a small lunch counter that served a mean microwave ham and cheese.



I'll say. The last one I ordered chased me down to men's clothing with a meat cleaver, before I hit it  with a clothes rack right between the rye.
 
2014-01-10 01:18:56 PM  
Target confesses? Did they deliberately skew the numbers or did they give what was originally thought to be a fair estimate?

/haven't followed this too much
 
2014-01-10 01:22:40 PM  

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


All the ones around here have expanded their grocery sections a lot the past few years, i still couldnt do all my grocery shopping there, but most of it if i wanted to.

Last time we were there we bought... garbage bags, qtips, shampoo, kleenex, a glade plugin refill, a toothbrush, otc allergy medication and soda. Probably all stuff that could have been purchased at the grocery store, but they dont have as much of a selection for most of that stuff.
 
2014-01-10 01:23:21 PM  

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


I buy groceries.  Supermarkets operate on a MUCH thinner margin than big-box retail stores do.  So, for places like Target & WalMart, groceries are loss-leaders.  Groceries are often WAY cheaper than the supermarket and the stores make up the difference w/a high markup on everything else in the store.  Because, you know, you're already here so you might as well see if they have those bath towels you've been meaning to get...

Also, I buy Starbucks, because it's the closest one to my house.
 
2014-01-10 01:25:49 PM  
jtown:

Um...Because they shouldn't be storing credit card information from their POS systems.  There's no reason to retain that data once the transaction is complete.  Target shouldn't have access to it at all.  It should go straight to the payment processor who returns the appropriate code (complete, declined, error, etc.).

You're right, they shouldn't. I meant why wouldn't they have a record of every single  transaction ever, minus the personal information. Storing unencrypted credit card data within each transaction is a bad decision, but that's a separate decision from saving each transaction.
 
2014-01-10 01:28:08 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Last time I went there, I went in to buy some cheap running shoes and some jeans.  The old nag working the register chewed me out for daring to bring clothes to an express line during lunch hours.  Just none stop nagging. I went to complain to the manager but no manager came so I left.


CSB
 
hej
2014-01-10 01:29:03 PM  
I already got my cc replaced, so whateva.
 
2014-01-10 01:30:40 PM  

mayIFark: Cyclometh: There are 313.9 million people in the US, which means that 22% of Americans have had their credit card data compromised.

That's farking insane.

You are assuming everyone has a credit card. I don't think you can have one before the age of 18. Many adults don't have them either. Assuming 60% populations has CC, that's about one in every 3 persons who has cards. If we assume an average person has 4 cards, and only one got stolen, its about 1 in 12 cards in the US got stolen.

Farking Insane.


Probably a fair amount of Canadians too. We (now) have Target up here, but US Target prices are way cheaper.

/And it's pronounced "Tarzhey"
 
2014-01-10 01:32:59 PM  

mayIFark: Cyclometh: There are 313.9 million people in the US, which means that 22% of Americans have had their credit card data compromised.

That's farking insane.

You are assuming everyone has a credit card. I don't think you can have one before the age of 18. Many adults don't have them either. Assuming 60% populations has CC, that's about one in every 3 persons who has cards. If we assume an average person has 4 cards, and only one got stolen, its about 1 in 12 cards in the US got stolen.

Farking Insane.


No.

You're assuming this is only credit cards. There is other information leaked, as they are identifying.

"names, mailing addresses, phone numbers or email addresses "

Any of the 4 = 70 million.

So in reality it's probably 50 million real people and 10-20 million spambots, fake numbers, etc.
 
2014-01-10 01:34:55 PM  

strife: Target confesses? Did they deliberately skew the numbers or did they give what was originally thought to be a fair estimate?

/haven't followed this too much


I'm thinking they skewed the numbers. They probably didn't even want to release the 40 million estimate till AFTER the holidays. They didn't want to freak out the consumerists getting their spending addiction kick but had to before someone else leaked it.
 
2014-01-10 01:39:00 PM  
I went to my local Target the Saturday after Thanksgiving, only because Super WalMart was wicked crowded and all I needed to get were some baby wipes and shampoo for the little Sovietskis. Haven't seen anything hinky on my bank card and I check it daily.

Not a huge fan of Target, but I'll go there to avoid the chaos that is my local Super WM.
 
2014-01-10 01:39:01 PM  

skinink: That's it! I'm taking my business elsewhere, to Bradlees.


Sweet baby Jesus, those still exist?!


/knew it was more than they were saying on account of the fact that Target informed my card issuer my card was one that was compromised and my bank informed me this week that the issue was so widespread that card vendors couldn't keep up with the demand of replacing that many cards that quickly, so it may take another 4 weeks to get a new card. But they're closely monitoring my card for any unusual activity & I get calls about even my normal outgoing shiat right now.
 
2014-01-10 01:41:16 PM  
a little off-Target
 
2014-01-10 01:41:35 PM  

mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?


The one by me actually has a decent grocery section. I got wrapped up because I bought a $3 pair of gloves and a loaf of bread one night.
 
2014-01-10 01:43:06 PM  

hej: I already got my cc replaced, so whateva.


Even so, my worry is that some dick/ette might try to open new credit accounts with the other (???) information that was also compromised. I'm waiting for news about the credit monitoring service they are offering. I'm really not sure I care to disclose more personal information to whoever it is may be providing that service though.

I know they have my telephone number. They called from "number unavailable" within a few days of my making a transaction at Target. It was a recorded message claiming my card had been deactivated and to press 1 in order to reactivate it. Suspecting some sort of scam, I hung up and verified with my bank that they had not tried to contact me.
 
2014-01-10 01:43:17 PM  

strife: Target confesses? Did they deliberately skew the numbers or did they give what was originally thought to be a fair estimate?

/haven't followed this too much


This is a different breach, uncovered during the investigation of the first one.
 
2014-01-10 01:45:18 PM  

CitizenjaQ: jtown:

Um...Because they shouldn't be storing credit card information from their POS systems.  There's no reason to retain that data once the transaction is complete.  Target shouldn't have access to it at all.  It should go straight to the payment processor who returns the appropriate code (complete, declined, error, etc.).

You're right, they shouldn't. I meant why wouldn't they have a record of every single  transaction ever, minus the personal information. Storing unencrypted credit card data within each transaction is a bad decision, but that's a separate decision from saving each transaction.


You do realize that the issue here is the loss of personal information, right?  Nobody would be talking about this if it was just sales data.
 
2014-01-10 01:47:00 PM  

Snarfangel: PainInTheASP: FarkingReading: mayIFark: Nuclear Monk: I_Am_Weasel: Target has 70 million shoppers?

I suspect relatively few people actively hate and avoid the store.

I don't have any hate for them at all. Still last time I was there, was 8 years ago. I just don't see how they fit in anywhere on my buying list. Grocery? I don't think they even carry any. For everything else, there is Amazon and Costco for me. What do people exactly buy from Target?

I just go for the ambiance.

The one in our town had a small lunch counter that served a mean microwave ham and cheese.


I'll say. The last one I ordered chased me down to men's clothing with a meat cleaver, before I hit it  with a clothes rack right between the rye.


This mental picture has me rolling, thanks for the laugh.
 
2014-01-10 01:48:40 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: This theft is not a new breach, but was uncovered as part of the ongoing investigation. At this time, the investigation has determined that the stolen information includes names, mailing addresses, phone numbers or email addresses for up to 70 million individuals


But it was totally just a couple of hacked POS devices that were skimming cards.   We SWEAR we didn't have a database full of full track data!!!!!

Honestly, I think the brands should drop Target like a steaming turd.


I said in the other thread that I thought a POS hack was very unlikely and it was probably a database breach.   This will not change shiat about the way Target does business in any case, they make a living on targeted marketing,  They know your pregnant before your family does  http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured - out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/   and there is no way in hell they are giving that up over some trivial fine.
 
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