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(CNN)   So...turns out al Qaeda controls more territory now than ever. So, we got that going for us   (cnn.com) divider line 176
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2014-01-10 06:13:27 PM

vudukungfu: USMC guns down young Afghan girl today.


Keeping us safe.
Freedom.
Liberators.

yeah.


Yeah, because in bad weather and getting engaged from that direction, they just consciously said "F-k it, let's just shoot that little girl instead."

U.S. troops fighting in bad weather accidentally shot dead a young Afghan girl... after they were shot at and returned fire in the Nadali District of Helmand Province, Assistant Police Chief Abdullah Chopan told NBC News. "It's very likely to have happened because visibility was not good, it was raining and cloudy," Chopan said.

Funny that the shiatbags who engaged them didn't seem to care that civilians were close by though... but yeah, the USMC and ISAF are to blame for trying to provide an example of impartial law and order to a backwards, fractured hodgepodge of societies (which will ultimately fail anyway it seems).

FOAD troll, war is hell for many reasons.
 
2014-01-10 06:13:55 PM

Mouser: DrewCurtisJr: All part of the plan. al Qaeda kills more Muslims than we ever could.

Indeed.  Al Qaeda works for us these days--they're our proxies against our real enemy in the region: Iran.


I can never tell who is trolling.
 
2014-01-10 06:30:52 PM

gshepnyc: We should never have treated them like a military enemy. We should have treated them like we did the Cosa Nostra other organized crime syndicates. And many people were saying that at the time but the Bushies and their mouth-breathing acolytes regarded that suggestion as tantamount to treason - like they regarded all other forms of criticism.

By treating them like a military enemy, we raised them up to a level (in terms of their ability to recruit, raise fund and sell their message) that they never could have managed on their own. If we had treated them like low mobsters, on par with pimps and child pornographers and drug pushers, we'd have done a lot better.


This, this, this.
 
2014-01-10 07:33:42 PM
Enjoy your PERMAWARS, serfs!

Never send an army to do a police force's job.

/Bwah-hahahahahahaha!
//Teaching my kids never to love empire -- because it doesn't love them.
 
2014-01-10 09:41:37 PM

Seraphym: FOAD troll, war is hell for many reasons.


We haven't been in an actual war since 1945, but I'll take your word for it.
 
2014-01-10 10:07:17 PM

gshepnyc: We should never have treated them like a military enemy. We should have treated them like we did the Cosa Nostra other organized crime syndicates. And many people were saying that at the time but the Bushies and their mouth-breathing acolytes regarded that suggestion as tantamount to treason - like they regarded all other forms of criticism.

By treating them like a military enemy, we raised them up to a level (in terms of their ability to recruit, raise fund and sell their message) that they never could have managed on their own. If we had treated them like low mobsters, on par with pimps and child pornographers and drug pushers, we'd have done a lot better.


If I was saying this in 2003, can I get a cookie?
 
2014-01-10 10:11:06 PM

theknuckler_33: You know what? I really don't give a flying fark anymore.


I wish our government didn't.   But yeah now, at least tonight,I feel roughly the way way.  It's getting old.

"Oh noes! Syrians are mass graving fellow Syrians!"   - Shrug.
"Gosh Egyptians are slaughtering Egyptians"   - So?
"Holy schnikes! The Sunni's just gassed 100,000 shiates".   - Wow.
"Panic!  Iraquistan just invaded Iranaukistan again!!!"   - You don't say?
"OMG, 74 different tribes in north africa are all genociding each other on alternate days!"   - So just like the last 2000 years you say?

The next time they decide to slaughter, behead, gas, or revolutionary coup each other, which will be tomorrow, just ignore them.   Let Europe or the U.N. worry about it, if they want or think they have an answer.
 
2014-01-10 11:03:29 PM
What difference does it make?
 
2014-01-10 11:10:57 PM

Carn: We are at war with al qaeda.  We have always been at war with al qaeda.


Do you even get the reference? I see it quoted a lot by anti-war types but it seems to be used more because it's catchy than because it's pithy.

Are you alleging that we were allied with AQ but decided to switch them into an enemy or that AQ doesn't exist and there's nothing happening in these locales?
 
2014-01-10 11:45:31 PM

Dinjiin: This text is now purple: Ghastly: In all seriousness, the North Korean famine in the mid 90's killed almost half as many people as the Korean War did. If the Korean War hadn't taken place, many, many more people would have died as a result.

There never would have been a North or South Korea if it weren't for Western colonial interference, just as there never would have been a North or South Vietnam.

That's true. Both would have been colonies of China.

Or Japan.


Korea was controlled by Japan and the US and USSR occupied Korea after defeating Japan. Much like Germany, the USSR made their portion communist, which is why North Korea's government has more to do with Stalin than Mao.
 
2014-01-11 02:06:58 AM
www.thelibertybeacon.com
"The Taliban, Is Not Our Enemy"
---VP Biden
 
2014-01-11 02:21:18 AM
If you want to win a war, you need to place your foot on the neck of your enemy and press down hard enough to break it.  There are no half-measures or meaningless posturing -- you break his neck.  That is what the Russians and Americans did to the Germans.  That is what the US did the Japanese.  If you call it a draw, you end up fighting the same war over and over again.  That was the cold war between Democracy and Communism. Mind you, a all-out war between those ideologies would have been the end of the human race.  That is why you only fight a war you know you can win, and only those that start a war believe they can win it.

America only gave AQ a spanking.  It needed to give it a thorough stomping, and not have gone into Iraq.  You can lay the whole blame on Bush&Co for the whole mess, including the 9-11 attacks in the first place.  Either though incompetence of letting the US's defenses down, or through deliberate manipulation to "start a war with someone" for political gains by letting America get attacked.

Say what you want about Obama, but he is going out and killing these f*ckers.  You're an AQ?  Say hello to a drone strike!
 
2014-01-11 02:54:56 AM

real_headhoncho: You can lay the whole blame on Bush&Co Franklin D. Roosevelt for the whole mess, including the 9-11 Pearl Harbor attacks in the first place.  Either though incompetence of letting the US's defenses down, or through deliberate manipulation to "start a war with someone" for political gains by letting America get attacked.


That too, right?
 
2014-01-11 03:50:43 AM

real_headhoncho: If you want to win a war, you need to place your foot on the neck of your enemy and press down hard enough to break it.  There are no half-measures or meaningless posturing -- you break his neck.  That is what the Russians and Americans did to the Germans.  That is what the US did the Japanese.  If you call it a draw, you end up fighting the same war over and over again.  That was the cold war between Democracy and Communism. Mind you, a all-out war between those ideologies would have been the end of the human race.  That is why you only fight a war you know you can win, and only those that start a war believe they can win it.

America only gave AQ a spanking.  It needed to give it a thorough stomping, and not have gone into Iraq.  You can lay the whole blame on Bush&Co for the whole mess, including the 9-11 attacks in the first place.  Either though incompetence of letting the US's defenses down, or through deliberate manipulation to "start a war with someone" for political gains by letting America get attacked.

Say what you want about Obama, but he is going out and killing these f*ckers.  You're an AQ?  Say hello to a drone strike!


wow... just wow... you blame bush for 9/11 even though he was still fresh to the job after clinton had 8 years to deal with this shiat?  And then you say obama is doing the stomping on throats with a drone campaign while giving no credit to bush for invading 2 countries and killing terrorists by the thousands?
 
2014-01-11 04:38:30 AM

Closed_Minded_Bastage: real_headhoncho: You can lay the whole blame on Bush&Co Franklin D. Roosevelt for the whole mess, including the 9-11 Pearl Harbor attacks in the first place.  Either though incompetence of letting the US's defenses down, or through deliberate manipulation to "start a war with someone" for political gains by letting America get attacked.  That too, right?


Something would have had to be done about the Axis powers sooner or later.  Might as well have been sooner (and 12/7/41 was already too late for many.)

Al Qaeda, not so much.  9/11 should have been treated as a criminal matter, like any other berserk religious cult.
 
2014-01-11 05:03:03 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Closed_Minded_Bastage: real_headhoncho: You can lay the whole blame on Bush&Co Franklin D. Roosevelt for the whole mess, including the 9-11 Pearl Harbor attacks in the first place.  Either though incompetence of letting the US's defenses down, or through deliberate manipulation to "start a war with someone" for political gains by letting America get attacked.  That too, right?

Something would have had to be done about the Axis powers sooner or later.  Might as well have been sooner (and 12/7/41 was already too late for many.)

Al Qaeda, not so much.  9/11 should have been treated as a criminal matter, like any other berserk religious cult.


Yep, Mayor Rudy Giuliani should have sent what was left of the NYPD into Afghanistan to arrest OBL.
 
2014-01-11 09:44:45 AM

Mrbogey: Carn: We are at war with al qaeda.  We have always been at war with al qaeda.

Do you even get the reference? I see it quoted a lot by anti-war types but it seems to be used more because it's catchy than because it's pithy.

Are you alleging that we were allied with AQ but decided to switch them into an enemy or that AQ doesn't exist and there's nothing happening in these locales?


Do I?  HAHA!  Do you?  I was referencing 1984.  You should check it out.
 
2014-01-11 10:13:21 AM
Perfect.....perrrrfect,
Just as I planned.
 
2014-01-11 11:07:35 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I place the blame for this squarely on every asshole who signed up for military service after it was obvious we were going to invade Iraq.....

A strong anti-Iraq war message from the people to the politicians would have done well, but that message wasn't sent as people were falling over themselves to get sent into the desert and people back home were so busy "supporting the troops" when they should have been "condemning the troops" for volunteering to fight an unnecessary and dangerous war that has ultimately made America less safe.

....The answer is every American who supported the troops blindly, as if there were any merit in that.


what the fuq am I reading??
 
2014-01-11 11:22:16 AM

Carn: Mrbogey: Carn: We are at war with al qaeda.  We have always been at war with al qaeda.

Do you even get the reference? I see it quoted a lot by anti-war types but it seems to be used more because it's catchy than because it's pithy.

Are you alleging that we were allied with AQ but decided to switch them into an enemy or that AQ doesn't exist and there's nothing happening in these locales?

Do I?  HAHA!  Do you?  I was referencing 1984.  You should check it out.


I have. That's why I'm asking you to clarify your message as it doesn't seem to fit the current situation with known information.
 
2014-01-11 12:10:38 PM

Military Industrial Complex: Perfect.....perrrrfect,
Just as I planned.


Farking military industrial complex. Always trying to find ways to perpetuate itself.
 
2014-01-11 12:56:41 PM

Mrbogey: Carn: Mrbogey: Carn: We are at war with al qaeda.  We have always been at war with al qaeda.

Do you even get the reference? I see it quoted a lot by anti-war types but it seems to be used more because it's catchy than because it's pithy.

Are you alleging that we were allied with AQ but decided to switch them into an enemy or that AQ doesn't exist and there's nothing happening in these locales?

Do I?  HAHA!  Do you?  I was referencing 1984.  You should check it out.

I have. That's why I'm asking you to clarify your message as it doesn't seem to fit the current situation with known information.


My message?  Here are a couple.  First, and most obvious, it's propaganda.  Second, and still fairly obvious, our "War on Terror" has been going on for 11 years.  Have we won?  Will we ever?  Or will we perpetually be at war with al Qaeda and/or who else the bad guys are?  Perpetual war to feed the war machine.
 
2014-01-11 03:18:07 PM

Carn: My message? Here are a couple. First, and most obvious, it's propaganda. Second, and still fairly obvious, our "War on Terror" has been going on for 11 years. Have we won? Will we ever? Or will we perpetually be at war with al Qaeda and/or who else the bad guys are? Perpetual war to feed the war machine.


Ok, so ultimately it comes down to you not actually understanding what the phrase means.
 
2014-01-11 04:08:54 PM

Closed_Minded_Bastage: Yep, Mayor Rudy Giuliani should have sent what was left of the NYPD into Afghanistan to arrest OBL.


Would have been smarter than invading Iraq.
 
2014-01-11 06:47:59 PM

Maul555: wow... just wow... you blame bush for 9/11 even though he was still fresh to the job after clinton had 8 years to deal with this shiat? And then you say obama is doing the stomping on throats with a drone campaign while giving no credit to bush for invading 2 countries and killing terrorists by the thousands?


And killed civilians by the tens of thousands, and one of those countries wasn't harboring the terrorists but now it is so destabilized it now HAS terrorists.

Kittypie070: what the fuq am I reading??


Either a troll or someone stuck in the 60's.  Just ignore them or drop an anvil on their head.
 
2014-01-11 09:58:06 PM

Mrbogey: Carn: My message? Here are a couple. First, and most obvious, it's propaganda. Second, and still fairly obvious, our "War on Terror" has been going on for 11 years. Have we won? Will we ever? Or will we perpetually be at war with al Qaeda and/or who else the bad guys are? Perpetual war to feed the war machine.

Ok, so ultimately it comes down to you not actually understanding what the phrase means.


Yes, obviously I'm the one who missed the point of 1984.
 
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