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(CNN)   So...turns out al Qaeda controls more territory now than ever. So, we got that going for us   (cnn.com) divider line 176
    More: Sad, al-Qaeda, Middle Eastern, Anbar, Ramadi, Peter Bergen, Prime Minister Nuri, Idlib, Anbar Province  
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2014-01-10 11:13:46 AM
Thanks Obama!
 
2014-01-10 11:13:46 AM
I guess we forgot to kill them in our "War on terror"
 
2014-01-10 11:14:06 AM
And William Kristol has a piece up encouraging Americans to love war.
 
2014-01-10 11:14:48 AM
We are at war with al qaeda.  We have always been at war with al qaeda.
 
2014-01-10 11:15:21 AM
Maybe the Muslim extremists are right and this is God guiding the to victory.
Allah be praised!
 
2014-01-10 11:17:29 AM
ISIS is also operating in Syria.

Well at least there's a chance they'll royally screw it up.  If ODIN was operating there, then we'd have problems.
 
2014-01-10 11:18:16 AM
which is nice.
 
2014-01-10 11:18:24 AM
So then....time for another $2 trillion dollar war to straighten it all out and expand their territory again?

ya know, create a shining becon of freedom like we did in Falluja?  Just look at the democratic paradise that we created in Falluja:


previous.presstv.ir

/send your kids today!
 
2014-01-10 11:18:41 AM
At least they're all number 3s or lower
 
2014-01-10 11:19:37 AM
This may mean something, I have no idea, but I don't know if judging them by the square mileage they control is a good method.  Are their numbers up, more attacks, etc.?  Or do they just control a huge swath of nothing?
 
2014-01-10 11:20:32 AM

BadAndy23: ISIS is also operating in Syria.

Well at least there's a chance they'll royally screw it up.  If ODIN was operating there, then we'd have problems.


I laugh every time I see a reference to ISIS.  They really need to change their name.

/I didn't pass out, I took a power blackout
 
2014-01-10 11:21:07 AM
So you're saying we can't kill our way to peace? Who would have guessed?
 
2014-01-10 11:21:18 AM
Throw all the shoes at George Bush. ALL OF THEM!
 
2014-01-10 11:21:30 AM
A bunch of terrorists in the same place at the same time? Their plan is fail proof!
 
2014-01-10 11:22:06 AM
Military Industrial Complex seen rubbing its hands together while whispering, "goooood...gooooood..."
 
2014-01-10 11:22:14 AM
That still counts as change
 
2014-01-10 11:22:35 AM
There was no AQ in Iraq before we invaded them.

This would have been hilarious unless 6 millions + total lives were not lost and trillions of dollars were not wasted.

/Those responsible are still drawing pictures and shooting people on the face
 
2014-01-10 11:22:57 AM
Getting the feeling that the current policy is to just back out and stop pouring money down the hole.

Let them find out how great it is, then maybe the people left alive will abandon the madness.

Nah, they'll be swinging swords at each other on horseback in a generation.
 
2014-01-10 11:22:59 AM
That's too bad.  We were so close to having them entirely eliminated under Bush, virtually months away from being able to dismantle the DHS, TSA,and repealing the Patriot... Nah, can't even type the whole thing.
 
2014-01-10 11:23:37 AM
Did they not get the "Mission Accomplished" memo? Did we not tell them we won? Jesus, just fax it to them-- I'm sure that'll put an end to all this.
 
2014-01-10 11:23:58 AM
Send in the drones!

youbentmywookie.com
 
2014-01-10 11:24:10 AM
As long as we have a Democratic President in the WH, there won't be a repeat of Iraq.

At worst, we'll see repeats of Syria and Libya.  But, that's as far as we'll go.
 
2014-01-10 11:24:36 AM
I place the blame for this squarely on every asshole who signed up for military service after it was obvious we were going to invade Iraq. While the overall strategy was flawed, without volunteers and fresh recruits, we would not have been able to mount such an invasion and squander all the goodwill and support for the Afghan war we had after 9/11.

A strong anti-Iraq war message from the people to the politicians would have done well, but that message wasn't sent as people were falling over themselves to get sent into the desert and people back home were so busy "supporting the troops" when they should have been "condemning the troops" for volunteering to fight an unnecessary and dangerous war that has ultimately made America less safe.

Who couldn't have predicted that an underground terrorist operation that recruits from the angry families of those targeted by the American military as well as those who were killed as collateral damage would have grown in ranks and power from such an invasion and lack of focus? The answer is every American who supported the troops blindly, as if there were any merit in that.
 
2014-01-10 11:24:38 AM

CruJones: BadAndy23: ISIS is also operating in Syria.

Well at least there's a chance they'll royally screw it up.  If ODIN was operating there, then we'd have problems.

I laugh every time I see a reference to ISIS.  They really need to change their name.

/I didn't pass out, I took a power blackout


So what you're saying is that there is some sort of zone of danger between on the Iraqi-Syrian border?
 
2014-01-10 11:25:53 AM
All part of the plan. al Qaeda kills more Muslims than we ever could.
 
2014-01-10 11:26:02 AM

under a mountain: Thanks Obama!


"Decimated."
 
2014-01-10 11:26:09 AM
What a great use of trillions of dollars and thousands of lives! Glad we didn't spend it on healthcare or any other stupid socialist program.
 
2014-01-10 11:26:12 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I place the blame for this squarely on every asshole who signed up for military service after it was obvious we were going to invade Iraq. While the overall strategy was flawed, without volunteers and fresh recruits, we would not have been able to mount such an invasion and squander all the goodwill and support for the Afghan war we had after 9/11.

A strong anti-Iraq war message from the people to the politicians would have done well, but that message wasn't sent as people were falling over themselves to get sent into the desert and people back home were so busy "supporting the troops" when they should have been "condemning the troops" for volunteering to fight an unnecessary and dangerous war that has ultimately made America less safe.

Who couldn't have predicted that an underground terrorist operation that recruits from the angry families of those targeted by the American military as well as those who were killed as collateral damage would have grown in ranks and power from such an invasion and lack of focus? The answer is every American who supported the troops blindly, as if there were any merit in that.


Just an fyi, the vast surge of military volunteers came in the weeks after 9/11 when we were focused on Afghanistan.

But, by all means, continue to foam at the mouth, it's amusing.
 
2014-01-10 11:27:05 AM
At least even the Syria rebels are fighting each other too so it's a good sign that there is some resistance and that their common cause of ousting Assad can't bring them together.

And what about all those Farkers claiming that there were only about a dozen Al Qaeda left anyway?
 
2014-01-10 11:27:08 AM
Maybe if we change our name to the United States of Al Qaeda they will become confused and start sending us money.
 
2014-01-10 11:27:19 AM

USCLaw2010: CruJones: BadAndy23: ISIS is also operating in Syria.

Well at least there's a chance they'll royally screw it up.  If ODIN was operating there, then we'd have problems.

I laugh every time I see a reference to ISIS.  They really need to change their name.

/I didn't pass out, I took a power blackout

So what you're saying is that there is some sort of zone of danger between on the Iraqi-Syrian border?


The further on the edge, the hotter the intensity.
 
2014-01-10 11:28:56 AM

Amish Tech Support: Maybe if we change our name to the United States of Al Qaeda they will become confused and start sending us money.


We need more outside the box thinking like this.
 
2014-01-10 11:29:12 AM

Infernalist: Just an fyi, the vast surge of military volunteers came in the weeks after 9/11 when we were focused on Afghanistan.

But, by all means, continue to foam at the mouth, it's amusing.


I have no problem with those folks. None at all. In fact, anyone who signed up between the 9/11 attacks and the beginning of the war drumming in Iraq I count as heroes. Unfortunately they got stuck in a position where they were required to participate in something they really didn't sign up for.
 
2014-01-10 11:29:22 AM
We should never have treated them like a military enemy. We should have treated them like we did the Cosa Nostra other organized crime syndicates. And many people were saying that at the time but the Bushies and their mouth-breathing acolytes regarded that suggestion as tantamount to treason - like they regarded all other forms of criticism.

By treating them like a military enemy, we raised them up to a level (in terms of their ability to recruit, raise fund and sell their message) that they never could have managed on their own. If we had treated them like low mobsters, on par with pimps and child pornographers and drug pushers, we'd have done a lot better.
 
2014-01-10 11:30:51 AM
This is not your father's al-Qaeda.
 
2014-01-10 11:32:05 AM
More Al Qaeda seems to guarantee only one thing - more dead Muslims.
 
2014-01-10 11:32:06 AM

CruJones: This may mean something, I have no idea, but I don't know if judging them by the square mileage they control is a good method.  Are their numbers up, more attacks, etc.?  Or do they just control a huge swath of nothing?


It pretty much means nothing and, despite the sensationalist headline, the article itself only says that it seems that Al Qaeda backed groups control more territory than ever.  It then goes on to mention that AQ backed groups control parts of Iraq and Syria.  This pretty much contradicts the idea that they control more territory than ever, given that the AQ backed Taliban controlled Afghanistan, which is larger than Iraq and Syria combined.  It also states that AQ backed groups are closer to controlling a state than they ever were, which is pretty much total bullshiat, given that the Taliban actually did control Afghanistan.

This is filed under CNNOpinion for a reason.
 
2014-01-10 11:32:24 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Infernalist: Just an fyi, the vast surge of military volunteers came in the weeks after 9/11 when we were focused on Afghanistan.

But, by all means, continue to foam at the mouth, it's amusing.

I have no problem with those folks. None at all. In fact, anyone who signed up between the 9/11 attacks and the beginning of the war drumming in Iraq I count as heroes. Unfortunately they got stuck in a position where they were required to participate in something they really didn't sign up for.


Smart man.

There were few, if any, volunteers once the focus shifted to Iraq.  They started reducing 'sign up' quotas shortly afterward and started stop-gap measures at about the same time.

In short, not many people signed up once the whole Iraq thing started getting pushed by the GOP.
 
2014-01-10 11:32:37 AM
www.jkrweb.com
 
2014-01-10 11:33:29 AM
And anti-LGBT spokesbigot Tony Perkins is blaming repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
 
2014-01-10 11:35:32 AM

Prey4reign: This is not your father's al-Qaeda.


You're right, I'm sure they have learned a lot over the last 10 years or so.
 
2014-01-10 11:36:24 AM

under a mountain: Thanks Obama!


This is course is all a part of his master plan to usher in the Caliphate to control the entire world under the banner of Islamist Libtardism.
 
2014-01-10 11:36:57 AM
Yeah, but we still have more brew pubs.
 
2014-01-10 11:38:46 AM
From around Aleppo in western Syria to small areas of Falluja in central Iraq, al Qaeda now controls territory that stretches more than 400 miles across the heart of the Middle East, according to English and Arab language news accounts as well as accounts on jihadist websites.


Suuuure they do. Just like they have massive underground cities in Tora Bora.

i.imgur.com


And back in reality:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-10 11:39:18 AM
 
2014-01-10 11:40:41 AM
img.fark.net
How is this possible, I was told we won.
 
2014-01-10 11:42:37 AM

The Madd Mann: So you're saying we can't kill our way to peace? Who would have guessed?


If we could somehow graph out "likelihood of peace in the coming 12 months" as a function of "# of people to kill", it'd probably look like an upside-down bell curve.

Sometimes, taking out one or two key people is enough. Sometimes, nothing short of genocide is required for "complete" victory. But as far as simple killing goes, the middle ground is "lengthy military campaign/occupation/power-sharing agreements" (the "messy" part).

// note that I'm not advocating any of the above
 
2014-01-10 11:43:16 AM
So thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, and more than a decade of fighting and it's still this easy for them to take over? Maybe warring harder will make us win!
 
2014-01-10 11:43:32 AM

Carn: We are at war with al qaeda.  We have always been at war with al qaeda.


Yeah, they declared war on us years ago.
 
2014-01-10 11:44:36 AM

gshepnyc: We should never have treated them like a military enemy. We should have treated them like we did the Cosa Nostra other organized crime syndicates. And many people were saying that at the time but the Bushies and their mouth-breathing acolytes regarded that suggestion as tantamount to treason - like they regarded all other forms of criticism.

By treating them like a military enemy, we raised them up to a level (in terms of their ability to recruit, raise fund and sell their message) that they never could have managed on their own. If we had treated them like low mobsters, on par with pimps and child pornographers and drug pushers, we'd have done a lot better.


Exactly.
 
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