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(USA Today)   Penn State is desperately trying to move on from its devastating sexual scandal. So naturally they hire a coach who's had four players charged with rape and who once said that a potential assistant's wife is the most important thing about them   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2014-01-10 09:00:51 AM  
Looks like business as usual for PSU.
Keeping rape-enablers on the payroll.
 
2014-01-10 09:15:13 AM  

vudukungfu: Looks like business as usual for PSU.
Keeping rape-enablers on the payroll.


Well, business as usual is football uber alles.  That was the root problem of the scandal and it doesn't look like that attitude has changed.  Rape, drugs, whatever.  Doesn't matter, football.
 
2014-01-10 09:18:16 AM  
Well, this wouldn't be an issue if they had properly nuked it from orbit. just to be sure. As an alum, I'm not sending them any money, and they beg. Regularly.
 
2014-01-10 09:20:22 AM  

vudukungfu: As an alum, I'm not sending them any money, and they beg. Regularly.


Were you going to anyway?  Do people really do that?
 
2014-01-10 09:34:30 AM  

nekom: vudukungfu: As an alum, I'm not sending them any money, and they beg. Regularly.

Were you going to anyway?  Do people really do that?


I give to mine.  But I designate where and how I want it used.
 
2014-01-10 09:40:32 AM  

Diogenes: I designate where and how I want it used.


Exactly. If you give enough, you can tell them what they may do with it.
There are different things you can donate to, as well. Like restoration of an old stone bridge. Or a chapel.

But when the administration does something like this, I think I'll just donate to my local food shelter a lot more than they expected from me this year.

Lot of money won't be going to the Alma Mater for this snafu.
Or should I call it a UFIA?
 
2014-01-10 09:59:49 AM  
Should have blown the place up when they had a chance
 
2014-01-10 10:15:52 AM  
Franklin, a Pennsylvania guy who comes from the Philadelphia suburbs and went to college at East Stroudsburg, has not been implicated in any criminal wrongdoing by investigators. And to be fair, he is the man who quickly kicked the arrested players off his team.

Franklin is a dickhead, but there's no reason to attach him to the scandal.

vudukungfu: As an alum


LOOK EVERYONE A PEDOPHILE

Until someone charges Franklin, that's about how silly this position is.
 
2014-01-10 10:18:40 AM  
Nothing in that article makes me think James Franklin tolerates rape.  The four players were all involved in the same incident and all four were kicked off the team.  I don't think the wife things should be used as a strong indicator of success, but it's one of them.
 
2014-01-10 10:19:06 AM  
I really don't give a shiat about Penn State - I thought post-humors charges should have been filed against JoePa.

But Franklin immediately cut all the players involved as soon as he found out. Isn't that the response people WANT? It's not like he coddled the guys or covered it up.

As for the 'attractive wife' thing - alpha male logic at its best. Not exactly admirable, but far from the worst thing I've heard a coach, politician, or business leader make...
 
2014-01-10 10:19:19 AM  
This is my not surprised face.
 
2014-01-10 10:25:55 AM  
I remember the carping about the "attractive wives" comment. The idea was, if the assistant had the wit and skill to talk to and charm a beautiful woman, they had the poise and charisma to land top recruits.  It was an explanation of a skill set--a tad simplistic, maybe, but hardly something warranting the outrage it inspired.

And, I'm sorry--was it he who raped that girl and tried to cover it up?  If Penn State wanted a coach whose players never did anything wrong, they'd be looking at Pop Warner coaches.  Manufactured outrage.
 
2014-01-10 10:27:12 AM  

Deneb81: I really don't give a shiat about Penn State - I thought post-humors charges should have been filed against JoePa.

But Franklin immediately cut all the players involved as soon as he found out. Isn't that the response people WANT? It's not like he coddled the guys or covered it up.

As for the 'attractive wife' thing - alpha male logic at its best. Not exactly admirable, but far from the worst thing I've heard a coach, politician, or business leader make...


And what environment do you think he works in?  While I may want Sheldon or some other neckbeard designing my heart valve or picking out the best microbrew for me, I don't want them trying to recruit the best athletes for my sports team.
 
2014-01-10 10:29:30 AM  

Deneb81: I really don't give a shiat about Penn State - I thought post-humors charges should have been filed against JoePa.


But I don't think we'd ever all get over laughing at how funny child molestation is.  He would never have been charged anyway.
 
2014-01-10 10:30:01 AM  

kwame: Until someone charges Franklin, that's about how silly this position is.

Last June, four of Franklin's players were charged with raping an unconscious 21-year-old woman in a dormitory and a fifth player pleaded guilty to helping cover it up. All five were dismissed from the team. If and when there is a trial, it will be Franklin's former players on trial. One of the players' attorneys was quoted as saying he wants to subpoena Franklin.


Just one question, coach. You couldn't take five farking minutes to talk to your team?
Tell them rape is a no-no?
A bad thing?
That you would personally kick their asses if they were involved in it?
That you would be ashamed of them?
That you would immediately report them if you knew anything?
That being involved with it would come down on them so hard that they would regret it for the rest of their very short lives?
Are you the kind of coach that "Coaches" young men, or the type of coach that goes for the win?
Do you feel that you have, if not contributed to a culture of rape, at least enabled it by not encouraging your charges with behaving in a chivalrous manner?
 
2014-01-10 10:30:59 AM  
I didn't know a whole lot about Franklin before his name came up as a possible replacement for O'Brien, other than Vanderbilt climbing out of the basement under his tenure.  Then, my brother mentioned the rape scandal at Vandy and Franklin's alleged advice to a player to delete video evidence of the assault.   Even the appearance of impropriety is something we just don't need right now.

Sigh.
 
2014-01-10 10:32:13 AM  

FLMountainMan: Deneb81: I really don't give a shiat about Penn State - I thought post-humors charges should have been filed against JoePa.

But I don't think we'd ever all get over laughing at how funny child molestation is.  He would never have been charged anyway.


He could have been held civilly liable, though I suppose his estate still can be.
 
2014-01-10 10:35:43 AM  

kwame: Franklin, a Pennsylvania guy who comes from the Philadelphia suburbs and went to college at East Stroudsburg, has not been implicated in any criminal wrongdoing by investigators. And to be fair, he is the man who quickly kicked the arrested players off his team.

Franklin is a dickhead, but there's no reason to attach him to the scandal.

vudukungfu: As an alum

LOOK EVERYONE A PEDOPHILE

Until someone charges Franklin, that's about how silly this position is.


My position is that the NCAA lost any credibility about anything when they didn't shut that shiat down, bulldoze thestadium into a pile and put the statue of JoePa on top with a spotlight shining on it for 14 years.
 
2014-01-10 10:38:55 AM  
a selling point for james franklin to penn st was that he was accused of helping cover up rape at his program, but he didn't get in trouble for it.  that's the kind of hero penn st needs.
 
2014-01-10 10:40:18 AM  

vudukungfu: Just one question, coach. You couldn't take five farking minutes to talk to your team?
Tell them rape is a no-no?
A bad thing?
That you would personally kick their asses if they were involved in it?
That you would be ashamed of them?
That you would immediately report them if you knew anything?
That being involved with it would come down on them so hard that they would regret it for the rest of their very short lives?
Are you the kind of coach that "Coaches" young men, or the type of coach that goes for the win?
Do you feel that you have, if not contributed to a culture of rape, at least enabled it by not encouraging your charges with behaving in a chivalrous manner?


Probably for the same reason he didn't spend five minutes telling them that murder or arson was wrong.
 
2014-01-10 10:41:16 AM  

animesucks: a selling point for james franklin to penn st was that he was accused of helping cover up rape at his program, but he didn't get in trouble for it.  that's the kind of hero penn st needs.


Thats the kind of guy they can rally behind
 
2014-01-10 10:41:54 AM  

animesucks: a selling point for james franklin to penn st was that he was accused of helping cover up rape at his program, but he didn't get in trouble for it.  that's the kind of hero penn st needs.


Source?
 
2014-01-10 10:47:15 AM  

vudukungfu: Tell them rape is a no-no?


Are you serious?  You think a group of guys who would take turns on a woman who is passed out would listen?  You think they haven't heard that?

And you think it's a football coach's job to teach them that?

MFAWG: My position is that the NCAA lost any credibility about anything when they didn't shut that shiat down, bulldoze thestadium into a pile and put the statue of JoePa on top with a spotlight shining on it for 14 years.



Yes, because when something horrible happens, the best solution is galactic scale overreaction.  Why not just raze the state?  I mean, it's a state institution.  If you're going to blame the entire program including future players and coaches, then everyone who works for the state is culpable.
 
2014-01-10 10:49:12 AM  

llortcM_yllort: animesucks: a selling point for james franklin to penn st was that he was accused of helping cover up rape at his program, but he didn't get in trouble for it.  that's the kind of hero penn st needs.

Source?


http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/9/9/4711768/james-fran kl in-vanderbilt-football-coach
 
2014-01-10 10:53:28 AM  
The comment about wives isn't really that gross and offensive unless you think about it.
 
2014-01-10 10:53:49 AM  

llortcM_yllort: animesucks: a selling point for james franklin to penn st was that he was accused of helping cover up rape at his program, but he didn't get in trouble for it.  that's the kind of hero penn st needs.

Source?


It's Vandenburg attorney making the allegation.  Could be something could be lawyer tricks.

From what I've gathered online Franklin doesn't have an offer yet.  The PSU BOT is supposed to have a conference call on Saturday (assholes dragging their feet).  He can't comment until he has an offer so he's been silent.  I wish the PSU BOT would expedite because we have to find a coach before signing day if he leaves.

I hope AD Williams' counter offer will convince him to stay and #vanderbuild.  Also, it would f*ck PSU and who wouldn't want to see that.

I've read that PSU is his "Dream Job" so I am not optimistic.  He also has recruiting ties to the region as OC of Maryland but the ghost of JoePa would always be there.
 
2014-01-10 10:54:28 AM  

Deneb81: But Franklin immediately cut all the players involved as soon as he found out. Isn't that the response people WANT? It's not like he coddled the guys or covered it up.


Actually he did coddle the guys and didnt take action until police discovered the players dragging the woman out while investigating another crime.
 
2014-01-10 10:56:39 AM  

animesucks: llortcM_yllort: animesucks: a selling point for james franklin to penn st was that he was accused of helping cover up rape at his program, but he didn't get in trouble for it.  that's the kind of hero penn st needs.

Source?

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/9/9/4711768/james-fran kl in-vanderbilt-football-coach


Ahh, SB Nation citing Buzzfeed.  Certainly a collection of journalistic integrity there.
 
2014-01-10 10:57:42 AM  

vudukungfu: kwame: Until someone charges Franklin, that's about how silly this position is.

Last June, four of Franklin's players were charged with raping an unconscious 21-year-old woman in a dormitory and a fifth player pleaded guilty to helping cover it up. All five were dismissed from the team. If and when there is a trial, it will be Franklin's former players on trial. One of the players' attorneys was quoted as saying he wants to subpoena Franklin.

Just one question, coach. You couldn't take five farking minutes to talk to your team?
Tell them rape is a no-no?
A bad thing?
That you would personally kick their asses if they were involved in it?
That you would be ashamed of them?
That you would immediately report them if you knew anything?
That being involved with it would come down on them so hard that they would regret it for the rest of their very short lives?
Are you the kind of coach that "Coaches" young men, or the type of coach that goes for the win?
Do you feel that you have, if not contributed to a culture of rape, at least enabled it by not encouraging your charges with behaving in a chivalrous manner?


I think we should also find each of the players' parents and get them fired from their jobs as well.  And any older siblings.  And grandparents.  And really, who were these players' teachers?  Fire their assess too.
 
2014-01-10 10:57:47 AM  

someonelse: The comment about wives isn't really that gross and offensive unless you think about it.


I dont even hold that against him too much, sure it sounds piggish but you judge people by the company they keep, even subconsciously but he verbalized it and it quickly made him look bad.

PluckYew: I hope AD Williams' counter offer will convince him to stay and #vanderbuild. Also, it would f*ck PSU and who wouldn't want to see that.


You really think vandy could stop PSU from taking him if they wanted him? Even with that scandal they have deeper pockets in their athletic program which is kind of sad.
 
2014-01-10 11:02:41 AM  
I don't really think it's a football coach's job to prevent his players from raping people, but if he's only had 4 players accused of it, that's actually a pretty good track record relative to other schools/teams.
 
2014-01-10 11:05:01 AM  

serial_crusher: I don't really think it's a football coach's job to prevent his players from raping people, but if he's only had 4 players accused of it, that's actually a pretty good track record relative to other schools/teams.


Which should make everyone ashamed enough to kill NCAA football and start all over again.
 
2014-01-10 11:06:25 AM  

Deneb81: I really don't give a shiat about Penn State - I thought post-humors charges should have been filed against JoePa.


Because I am certain you have read up on and understand the situation, could you explain what charges you believe should have been filed against Paterno on the assumption he were still alive?
 
2014-01-10 11:08:46 AM  

FLMountainMan: Deneb81: I really don't give a shiat about Penn State - I thought post-humors charges should have been filed against JoePa.

But I don't think we'd ever all get over laughing at how funny child molestation is.  He would never have been charged anyway.


Auto-correct fail at its finest there.

Posthumous.
 
2014-01-10 11:10:29 AM  
4 years ago I didn't believe the unknown OC from Maryland who slated with replacing the Fridge was a good hire.

Even if coach Franklin bolts, I have faith that AD Williams will find a replacement to continue the ascent of the football program.  Even though it's being built on the backs of Wake Forrest, UAB, UMass, and Austin Peay with a combined record of 7-41.  Who wouldn't want to play regional rival Austin Peay every year?

I guess the football program is just learning from the conference big boys.

9 wins at Vanderbilt is impressive, unless you look at the competition.

/alum

One last thing, Why isn't David Cutcliffe in these discussions?  He's done more with a shiattier Duke program than Franklin has at Vandy.  Christ the Dookies WON their division this year.
 
2014-01-10 11:10:44 AM  

steamingpile: You really think vandy could stop PSU from taking him if they wanted him? Even with that scandal they have deeper pockets in their athletic program which is kind of sad.


The money Vandy would have to spend to keep him should be better spent on upgrading that embarrassing Big East sized stadium.
 
2014-01-10 11:12:37 AM  
llortcM_yllort:Probably for the same reason he didn't spend five minutes telling them that murder or arson was wrong.

Gentlemen...we are a football team, and we'll get to football, but let's go over a few things:
(still at it 2 days later)
...parking in a handicapped space is wrong and subject to towing and a $200 fine.
Exceeding the time limit of a space designated for a 2 hour limit is wrong and subject to a $40 fine and possible towing.

OK, that completes the parking section.  Let's move on to ...well it seems I don't have my jaywalking notes.  Let's go through littering....
 
2014-01-10 11:18:04 AM  

vudukungfu: Just one question, coach. You couldn't take five farking minutes to talk to your team?
Tell them rape is a no-no?
A bad thing?
That you would personally kick their asses if they were involved in it?
That you would be ashamed of them?
That you would immediately report them if you knew anything?
That being involved with it would come down on them so hard that they would regret it for the rest of their very short lives?
Are you the kind of coach that "Coaches" young men, or the type of coach that goes for the win?
Do you feel that you have, if not contributed to a culture of rape, at least enabled it by not encouraging your charges with behaving in a chivalrous manner?


Sure that would work. All everyone locked up in prison needed was a good talking to.


If you are convicted of rape getting kicked off the football team is the least of your problems.
 
2014-01-10 11:20:35 AM  
I'm not seeing why there is outrage over this. He kicked the players off the team. He didn't cover it up as "boys just fooling around" lie JoePa probably would have (or worse,, he'd say he doesn't understand how men can force a woman to have sex).

Sounds like the guy has some integrity, unlike JoePa.
 
2014-01-10 11:20:37 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: llortcM_yllort:Probably for the same reason he didn't spend five minutes telling them that murder or arson was wrong.

Gentlemen...we are a football team, and we'll get to football, but let's go over a few things:
(still at it 2 days later)
...parking in a handicapped space is wrong and subject to towing and a $200 fine.
Exceeding the time limit of a space designated for a 2 hour limit is wrong and subject to a $40 fine and possible towing.

OK, that completes the parking section.  Let's move on to ...well it seems I don't have my jaywalking notes.  Let's go through littering....


Or if you're a human, you might just say something like 'Step out of line, and you're off the team. No questions asked.'
 
2014-01-10 11:21:33 AM  

PluckYew: 4 years ago I didn't believe the unknown OC from Maryland who slated with replacing the Fridge was a good hire.

Even if coach Franklin bolts, I have faith that AD Williams will find a replacement to continue the ascent of the football program.  Even though it's being built on the backs of Wake Forrest, UAB, UMass, and Austin Peay with a combined record of 7-41.  Who wouldn't want to play regional rival Austin Peay every year?

I guess the football program is just learning from the conference big boys.

9 wins at Vanderbilt is impressive, unless you look at the competition.

/alum

One last thing, Why isn't David Cutcliffe in these discussions?  He's done more with a shiattier Duke program than Franklin has at Vandy.  Christ the Dookies WON their division this year.


Probably age.  He's 60 years old already.
 
2014-01-10 11:27:02 AM  
Nice to see them moving away from buggering little boys.
 
2014-01-10 11:30:01 AM  

FLMountainMan: I don't think the wife things should be used as a strong indicator of success, but it's one of them.


What if the way they got the hot wife was by having a huge wang? Because that probably shouldn't be used as an indicator of success for recruiting high school kids, unless you want to have a seat over there.
 
2014-01-10 11:32:09 AM  
As soon as I saw the name of the writer of TFA I knew that this was BS. Christine Brennan covered the Redskins for the Washington Post when I lived up there in the late 80's and she was the sportswriting equivalent of Nancy Grace. If a Redskin player had personal problems at home, did something politically incorrect or even got a speeding ticket, this sorry b*tch would try to turn it into a major story.

The facts of the Vanderbilt rape case are this: four scumbags raped a woman who was unconscious, after deliberately evading a security system, and took camera pictures of the deed. They were immediately kicked out of Vanderbilt. Now their lawyers are accusing Vanderbilt of covering up the details of the rape, trying to shift the blame to get a lighter sentence and perhaps file a civil suit against Vanderbilt for their actions.

Christine Brennan, a disciple of the Barbara Walters attention whore school of journalism, is outraged that this guy made a politically incorrect statement regarding how he hires his assistant coaches and is doing a hatchet job on him and Penn State.  That's her journalistic style.
 
2014-01-10 11:34:06 AM  
Actually I would think that Penn State would WANT a coach who dismissed players accused of rape and a cover up and isn't trying to keep them from being held accountable by the criminal justice system.   You know, since it's the exact opposite of what happened at Penn State?
 
2014-01-10 11:35:17 AM  

PluckYew: 9 wins at Vanderbilt is impressive, unless you look at the competition.


And the fact the refs gave you one of those wins, then dodged almost all the good teams in the SEC west.

PluckYew: One last thing, Why isn't David Cutcliffe in these discussions? He's done more with a shiattier Duke program than Franklin has at Vandy. Christ the Dookies WON their division this year.


Age and the face the ACC sucks.

kwame: The money Vandy would have to spend to keep him should be better spent on upgrading that embarrassing Big East sized stadium.


Yeah I think I read somewhere they tried and were denied zoning at one time, that was a while ago though.
 
2014-01-10 11:35:35 AM  

IAmYourBrainOnDrugs: The idea was, if the assistant had the wit and skill to talk to and charm a beautiful woman, they had the poise and charisma to land top recruits.


If they were really that skilled at charming beautiful women they might not want a wife.
 
2014-01-10 11:39:57 AM  
PSU, the gift that keeps on giving (raping).
 
2014-01-10 11:47:09 AM  
Kicking those players off his team for rape is a bad thing now? You morons think JoePa fulfilling his legally mandated reporting of sex abuse was wrong too though.
 
2014-01-10 11:49:30 AM  

steamingpile: And the fact the refs gave you one of those wins, then dodged almost all the good teams in the SEC west.


Considering that there are only two cross-divisional games in the SEC conference schedule, it seems like a lot of teams would dodge the good teams in the other division.
 
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