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(UPI)   Six New Jersey residents have filed a class-action suit against Chris Christie, saying he took away their liberty. Because apparently getting caught in a traffic jam is now a violation of your constitutional rights   (upi.com) divider line 309
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2014-01-10 08:51:05 AM
The District Court was in error in dismissing the indictment as to this paragraph. The constitutional right to travel from one State to another, and necessarily to use the highways and other instrumentalities of interstate commerce in doing so, occupies a position fundamental to the concept of our Federal Union. It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized. In Crandall v. Nevada, 6 Wall. 35, invalidating [383 U.S. 745, 758]   a Nevada tax on every person leaving the State by common carrier, the Court took as its guide the statement of Chief Justice Taney in the Passenger Cases, 7 How. 283, 492:

"For all the great purposes for which the Federal government was formed, we are one people, with one common country. We are all citizens of the United States; and, as members of the same community, must have the right to pass and repass through every part of it without interruption, as freely as in our own States."

UNITED STATES v. GUEST
, 383 U.S. 745 (1966).
 
2014-01-10 08:56:52 AM
Um subby, when an administration imposes restrictions on travel for purely political purposes, It pretty much is a violation of your constitutional rights.
 
2014-01-10 09:04:20 AM
Hey I pay hardly any tax for that bridge!! I'm entitled to compensation!
 
2014-01-10 09:06:17 AM
Good. I'm going to sue next time Obama or Biden come to town and tie up traffic.
 
2014-01-10 09:06:36 AM
I wonder if they will make it a criminal case based on the lady that died of a heart attack and the ambulance could not reach her, or take her to the hospital due to the traffic jam?
 
2014-01-10 09:06:54 AM
If someone stole four hours from me, they would at least be subject to some time consuming abuse from me.
 
2014-01-10 09:07:00 AM

Dinki: Um subby, when an administration imposes restrictions on travel for purely political purposes, It pretty much is a violation of your constitutional rights.


This.
 
2014-01-10 09:07:34 AM
You can already see the way this thread's going to go.
 
2014-01-10 09:07:42 AM
Just wait for the 900+ documents they are dumping this morning..
 
2014-01-10 09:08:09 AM

Dinobot: I wonder if they will make it a criminal case based on the lady that died of a heart attack and the ambulance could not reach her, or take her to the hospital due to the traffic jam?


Even without a death possibly involved, it could probably be a criminal case.  This is big stuff and I get the feeling that Christie is going down in flames, at the very least politically ruined.
 
2014-01-10 09:08:26 AM

LarryDan43: Hey I pay hardly any tax for that bridge!! I'm entitled to compensation!


It costs $11.00 to cross the George Washington bridge. If you're a daily commuter and go to work 5 days a week in NYC for 52 weeks, that means you pay $2860 a year just in tolls. Now, when you factor in lost wages from not getting to work on time or missing appointments, meetings, doctor visits, etc, I think someone should be compensated.
 
2014-01-10 09:09:08 AM
LIBERTY.
How does that work?
 
2014-01-10 09:09:53 AM
Lots of people worried about a bridge, no one worried about the many foibles of the Obummer administration.
 
2014-01-10 09:10:17 AM

Dinki: Um subby, when an administration imposes restrictions on travel for purely political purposes, It pretty much is a violation of your constitutional rights.


Exactly right. Aside from the hyperbole about a heart attack victim dying because of the delays, which even her family denies, the fact that this Governor with literally hundreds of interesting "connections" is more interested in covering his ass instead of resolving the problems speaks volumes about how the State has been run under his and previous administrations. New Jersey has been more or less a Mafia owned State for the last 70 or so years. All that is happening now is some of that has been coming to light in the greater national consciousness.

The whole bridge closure issue is just a peek at what has been going on there for decades.
 
2014-01-10 09:10:44 AM

RexTalionis: LarryDan43: Hey I pay hardly any tax for that bridge!! I'm entitled to compensation!

It costs $11.00 to cross the George Washington bridge. If you're a daily commuter and go to work 5 days a week in NYC for 52 weeks, that means you pay $2860 a year just in tolls. Now, when you factor in lost wages from not getting to work on time or missing appointments, meetings, doctor visits, etc, I think someone should be compensated.


Welcome to New Jersey.
 
2014-01-10 09:10:47 AM
This just in: LAWYERS WIN!
 
2014-01-10 09:11:02 AM
im no fan of christie, but the suit is a publicity to stunt. obama closed access to national parks and monuments, blaming sequester. both parties are morally bankrupt sides of the same coin. (that sentence needs work)

the more alarming comparison is to obamas highway stops where federal police aholes check for citizenship (in the middle of arizona).
 
2014-01-10 09:11:05 AM

styckx: Just wait for the 900+ documents they are dumping this morning..


You mean 900 documents with REDACTED all over them.  This is NJ. If they haven't scrubbed the hard drives  already they are disgrace to the state they live in. Meanwhile I wait for someone to ask a mob question at one of these press conferences just to see what Christie says.
 
2014-01-10 09:11:08 AM

styckx: Just wait for the 900+ documents they are dumping this morning..


Heavily redacted of course. For "national security" reasons.
 
2014-01-10 09:11:17 AM

RexTalionis: I think someone should be compensated.


Of course you do.  You're a lawyer.

/NTTAWWT
 
2014-01-10 09:11:38 AM
Constitutional or not, it is a crime against humanity to prevent you from leaving New Jersey.
 
2014-01-10 09:11:56 AM

Phineas: Lots of people worried about a bridge, no one worried about the many foibles of the Obummer administration.


Actually I think this is very similar to something Obama would do, like the IRS harassment of tea party groups. Christie and Obama are both thin-skinned, petty jerks.
 
2014-01-10 09:12:13 AM

nekom: Dinobot: I wonder if they will make it a criminal case based on the lady that died of a heart attack and the ambulance could not reach her, or take her to the hospital due to the traffic jam?

Even without a death possibly involved, it could probably be a criminal case.  This is big stuff and I get the feeling that Christie is going down in flames, at the very least politically ruined.



Yeah, about this: even the family of the woman who died have stated that the jam had absolutely to do with her death.
 
2014-01-10 09:13:07 AM

YixilTesiphon: Phineas: Lots of people worried about a bridge, no one worried about the many foibles of the Obummer administration.

Actually I think this is very similar to something Obama would do, like the IRS harassment of tea party groups. Christie and Obama are both thin-skinned, petty jerks.


Only thing thin about Christie


/fat jokes!!!
 
2014-01-10 09:13:27 AM

Phineas: Lots of people worried about a bridge, no one worried about the many foibles of the Obummer administration.


Foibles?  Please enlighten us.  What did the President do to intentionally harm Americans so he could "get back at" someone?
 
2014-01-10 09:13:30 AM

YixilTesiphon: Phineas: Lots of people worried about a bridge, no one worried about the many foibles of the Obummer administration.

Actually I think this is very similar to something Obama would do, like the IRS harassment of tea party groups. Christie and Obama are both thin-skinned, petty jerks.


Granted the tea party prides themselves on actively avoiding taxation
 
2014-01-10 09:13:33 AM

oryx: Good. I'm going to sue next time Obama or Biden come to town and tie up traffic.


Go for it, could be interesting to see the results. I would note the differences between an announced and scheduled visit tying up roads for a few hours versus creating a gridlock for four days to punish people for not toeing a political line, but otherwise, you're golden.
 
2014-01-10 09:13:47 AM

RexTalionis: The District Court was in error in dismissing the indictment as to this paragraph. The constitutional right to travel from one State to another, and necessarily to use the highways and other instrumentalities of interstate commerce in doing so, occupies a position fundamental to the concept of our Federal Union. It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized. In Crandall v. Nevada, 6 Wall. 35, invalidating [383 U.S. 745, 758]   a Nevada tax on every person leaving the State by common carrier, the Court took as its guide the statement of Chief Justice Taney in the Passenger Cases, 7 How. 283, 492:

"For all the great purposes for which the Federal government was formed, we are one people, with one common country. We are all citizens of the United States; and, as members of the same community, must have the right to pass and repass through every part of it without interruption, as freely as in our own States."

UNITED STATES v. GUEST, 383 U.S. 745 (1966).


Came to saqy this, see that a better FarkLawyer than I was already on the case...freedom to travel is a "liberty interest" of all citizens...though why this doctrine ahsn;t been used to strike down TSA's "no-fly list"  is beyond me
 
2014-01-10 09:13:50 AM

Phineas: Lots of people worried about a bridge, no one worried about the many foibles of the Obummer administration.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-10 09:14:14 AM

emarche: nekom: Dinobot: I wonder if they will make it a criminal case based on the lady that died of a heart attack and the ambulance could not reach her, or take her to the hospital due to the traffic jam?

Even without a death possibly involved, it could probably be a criminal case.  This is big stuff and I get the feeling that Christie is going down in flames, at the very least politically ruined.


Yeah, about this: even the family of the woman who died have stated that the jam had absolutely to do with her death.


I'm guessing you meant to throw a 'nothing' in there.

She was 91 and suffered a major heart attack. Life-flight with a helicopter wouldn't have saved her.

But this does make sense. You impeded traffic solely for spiteful political reasons. People have a right to be pissed about that.
 
2014-01-10 09:14:55 AM

Magorn: RexTalionis: The District Court was in error in dismissing the indictment as to this paragraph. The constitutional right to travel from one State to another, and necessarily to use the highways and other instrumentalities of interstate commerce in doing so, occupies a position fundamental to the concept of our Federal Union. It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized. In Crandall v. Nevada, 6 Wall. 35, invalidating [383 U.S. 745, 758]   a Nevada tax on every person leaving the State by common carrier, the Court took as its guide the statement of Chief Justice Taney in the Passenger Cases, 7 How. 283, 492:

"For all the great purposes for which the Federal government was formed, we are one people, with one common country. We are all citizens of the United States; and, as members of the same community, must have the right to pass and repass through every part of it without interruption, as freely as in our own States."

UNITED STATES v. GUEST, 383 U.S. 745 (1966).

Came to saqy this, see that a better FarkLawyer than I was already on the case...freedom to travel is a "liberty interest" of all citizens...though why this doctrine ahsn;t been used to strike down TSA's "no-fly list"  is beyond me


The government's usual reason: fark You, That's Why.
 
2014-01-10 09:14:57 AM

TheSwissNavy: im no fan of christie, but the suit is a publicity to stunt. obama closed access to national parks and monuments, blaming sequester. both parties are morally bankrupt sides of the same coin. (that sentence needs work)

the more alarming comparison is to obamas highway stops where federal police aholes check for citizenship (in the middle of arizona).


The closure of the National Parks was spelled out in the sequester law, it was a Republican issue, and part of the compromise that got the law passed in the first place. Gohmert, Ryan and Bachmann were the sponsors of that particular addendum.
 
2014-01-10 09:15:44 AM

TheSwissNavy: im no fan of christie, but the suit is a publicity to stunt. obama closed access to national parks and monuments, blaming sequester. both parties are morally bankrupt sides of the same coin. (that sentence needs work)

the more alarming comparison is to obamas highway stops where federal police aholes check for citizenship (in the middle of arizona).


I mean this in the best way possible: You are an idiot.
 
2014-01-10 09:16:13 AM
"The defendants in this case were looking to do some serious damage to the residents of Fort Lee. By crippling the town on the first day of school, that's exactly what they accomplished and that's what they're getting sued for," Arnold said.

The only thing missing from this article is motivation. Why on earth would Christie and other other high-level state officials conspire to screw up traffic? I'm not up to speed on New Jersey politics. Perhaps someone could explain?
 
2014-01-10 09:16:56 AM
emarche:
Yeah, about this: even the family of the woman who died have stated that the jam had absolutely to do with her death.

That kind of thing is pretty difficult to prove anyway.  I mean, there are some instances where time really does matter and getting a patient into surgery quickly can save a life.  But if your heart basically explodes and you're toast, well then that's that.
 
2014-01-10 09:17:12 AM

Deathfrogg: TheSwissNavy: im no fan of christie, but the suit is a publicity to stunt. obama closed access to national parks and monuments, blaming sequester. both parties are morally bankrupt sides of the same coin. (that sentence needs work)

the more alarming comparison is to obamas highway stops where federal police aholes check for citizenship (in the middle of arizona).

The closure of the National Parks was spelled out in the sequester law, it was a Republican issue, and part of the compromise that got the law passed in the first place. Gohmert, Ryan and Bachmann were the sponsors of that particular addendum.


Closing open-air areas that are ordinarily unmanned was spelled out in the law? I hadn't heard that; please show us where in the law that is.

Or are you just water-carrying?
 
2014-01-10 09:17:24 AM

PENAL CODE



TITLE 8. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION



CHAPTER 39. ABUSE OF OFFICE


Sec. 39.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Law relating to a public servant's office or employment" means a law that specifically applies to a person acting in the capacity of a public servant and that directly or indirectly:
(A) imposes a duty on the public servant; or
(B) governs the conduct of the public servant.
(2) "Misuse" means to deal with property contrary to:
(A) an agreement under which the public servant holds the property;
(B) a contract of employment or oath of office of a public servant;
(C) a law, including provisions of the General Appropriations Act specifically relating to government property, that prescribes the manner of custody or disposition of the property; or
(D) a limited purpose for which the property is delivered or received.
 
2014-01-10 09:17:26 AM

YixilTesiphon: Phineas: Lots of people worried about a bridge, no one worried about the many foibles of the Obummer administration.

Actually I think this is very similar to something Obama would do, like the IRS harassment of tea party groups. Christie and Obama are both thin-skinned, petty jerks.


Amazing, how selective the TeaBagger memory is.
 
2014-01-10 09:17:43 AM
This is interesting. Just yesterday, I was stuck in a traffic Jam on my way to work because some idiot decided to drive 70 on snowy road. His DB-ing costed probably couple thousand people loosing 2 hours of work. Given everyone makes on average $10 an hour, that is $20K. Should this DB, while found by the law enforcement that was at fault, be responsible for that $20K? Accidents from mistakes are acceptable, this was not.

/I know there is no way to distribute it, so put it in a fund that fixes roads and bridges and stuff.
 
2014-01-10 09:17:50 AM

YixilTesiphon: like the IRS harassment of tea party groups.



This exists only in the minds of Darrell Issa and the TeaParty.
 
2014-01-10 09:18:47 AM

TheSwissNavy: both parties are morally bankrupt sides of the same coin.


Hmmmm. So you're saying both sides are bad? Who should I vote for, then?
 
2014-01-10 09:19:37 AM

YixilTesiphon: Phineas: Lots of people worried about a bridge, no one worried about the many foibles of the Obummer administration.

Actually I think this is very similar to something Obama would do, like the IRS harassment of tea party groups. Christie and Obama are both thin-skinned, petty jerks.


Yeah, both crooks. UNLESS YOU LIVE IN REALITY.
 
2014-01-10 09:20:53 AM

YixilTesiphon: like the IRS harassment of tea party groups.


You mean the ones who were pretending to be apolitical non-profilts?
 
2014-01-10 09:21:27 AM

NutWrench: "The defendants in this case were looking to do some serious damage to the residents of Fort Lee. By crippling the town on the first day of school, that's exactly what they accomplished and that's what they're getting sued for," Arnold said.

The only thing missing from this article is motivation. Why on earth would Christie and other other high-level state officials conspire to screw up traffic? I'm not up to speed on New Jersey politics. Perhaps someone could explain?


That area of NJ and, by-and-large, the people who pass through there into NY for work, are overwhelmingly of the opposite party to the governor.
 
2014-01-10 09:21:55 AM

YixilTesiphon: Deathfrogg: TheSwissNavy: im no fan of christie, but the suit is a publicity to stunt. obama closed access to national parks and monuments, blaming sequester. both parties are morally bankrupt sides of the same coin. (that sentence needs work)

the more alarming comparison is to obamas highway stops where federal police aholes check for citizenship (in the middle of arizona).

The closure of the National Parks was spelled out in the sequester law, it was a Republican issue, and part of the compromise that got the law passed in the first place. Gohmert, Ryan and Bachmann were the sponsors of that particular addendum.

Closing open-air areas that are ordinarily unmanned was spelled out in the law? I hadn't heard that; please show us where in the law that is.

Or are you just water-carrying?


Thats just it, they aren't "unmanned". Government personnel do actually work in the National Parks. Remove the personnel and there are no protections against vandals and thieves. Thats the whole point of "reducing the government to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub". Thats the entire TeaBagger agenda.
 
2014-01-10 09:23:07 AM
By Monday, it will be an accepted article of faith throughout the Blogodome that this was 100%, entirely Fartbama's fault.
 
2014-01-10 09:23:45 AM

oryx: Good. I'm going to sue next time Obama or Biden come to town and tie up traffic.


Rush still won't sleep with you.
 
2014-01-10 09:23:52 AM
If that's the case, then every day I'd be suing a couple numbnuts that want to hang out in the left-hand lane, going under the speed limit and jamming on their brakes so they can lookey-loo at every police car, accident, roadside trash, etc.
 
2014-01-10 09:23:54 AM
So long Christie, it was fun while it lasted.

Who's the new Republican rising star?
 
2014-01-10 09:25:32 AM
Sweet can I sue idiots that wreck on 495 and cause lane closures for violating my rights? I hope so!
 
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