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2014-01-10 05:36:33 AM
You know, that is acceptable from an independent developer. Good for you. Never heard of the game mind, so some PR may be in order too. Call me.
 
2014-01-10 08:38:30 AM
Never heard of the game, after reading that.... now Im going to go try it.
 
2014-01-10 09:03:43 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Never heard of the game, after reading that.... now Im going to go try it.


Yea, but I'll probably wait until they work out all the bugs
 
2014-01-10 10:19:39 AM
anyone care to post what game it is in thread?

Work blocks all gaming websites, even news sites.
 
2014-01-10 10:22:01 AM

spidermann: anyone care to post what game it is in thread?

Work blocks all gaming websites, even news sites.


Consortium.

Let me know if that one's blocked too.
 
2014-01-10 10:23:50 AM

spidermann: anyone care to post what game it is in thread?

Work blocks all gaming websites, even news sites.


The game's called Consortium. Never heard of it till now. Call me a hipster, but this is one of the reasons I like indie game developers.
 
2014-01-10 10:25:32 AM
Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.
 
2014-01-10 10:26:28 AM
Weeners on the site: "YOU SHOULD BANKRUPT YOURSELF AND GIVE IT TO US ALL FOR FREE!!!"

I'm paraphrasing here, but WOW, and you wonder where the rumors of gamers being entitled little shiats come from...
 
2014-01-10 10:27:17 AM
GTA V needs to do something like this.  Then maybe I wouldn't feel like I had 160 bucks stolen from me.  Or just fix the game.  And add stuff to it that isn't boring/repetitive.
 
2014-01-10 10:27:42 AM

vharshyde: and you wonder where the rumors of gamers being entitled little shiats come from...


/r/gaming
 
2014-01-10 10:28:53 AM

NicktheSmoker: GTA V needs to do something like this.  Then maybe I wouldn't feel like I had 160 bucks stolen from me.  Or just fix the game.  And add stuff to it that isn't boring/repetitive.


You live in Australia?
 
2014-01-10 10:31:10 AM

Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.


The funny part is people supporting these guys for basically being incompetent and unable to deliver what they sold.

But it's ok because it's an indie developer, so the money they got for failing to make a playable game is fine. If EA posted the same exact release the same people would be shiatting their pants all over their video game blog about how much EA sucks.
 
2014-01-10 10:31:28 AM

RedPhoenix122: NicktheSmoker: GTA V needs to do something like this.  Then maybe I wouldn't feel like I had 160 bucks stolen from me.  Or just fix the game.  And add stuff to it that isn't boring/repetitive.

You live in Australia?


Nope, Atlanta.  Bought the Collectors Edition based off of loving GTA IV.  First and last CE I will ever buy.  At least I got a stupid hat.  Probably have gotten more enjoyment out of that than the actual game. Wanted just the special edition for like 80 or whatever but it was not available for pre-order when I went to pre-order.
 
2014-01-10 10:35:33 AM
How did I guess this wasn't Bethesda?
 
2014-01-10 10:42:51 AM

Gato Blanco: spidermann: anyone care to post what game it is in thread?

Work blocks all gaming websites, even news sites.

The game's called Consortium. Never heard of it till now. Call me a hipster, but this is one of the reasons I like indie game developers.


I am about the farthest thing from a hipster.  Liking indie game developers isn't hipster, it is usually the discerning choice.  Many AAA titles are rehashes of last years game (especially on the console).  The real interesting things are happening in the indie space.  I will give a nod to Bethesda, who continually seems to come up with interesting games.  Bioware used to be on my list, and so did Valve.
 
2014-01-10 10:43:54 AM

Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.


Yeah, when I saw the part about being on kickstarter -- umm... yeah, you probably could have gotten more beta testers if you weren't charging them. That is farking ridiculous.
 
2014-01-10 10:45:43 AM

Premeditated_Road_Rage: How did I guess this wasn't Bethesda?


What has Bethesda ever done to deserve such a scathing comment? (serious question)

/bethesda fanboy
 
2014-01-10 10:49:36 AM

js34603: Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.

The funny part is people supporting these guys for basically being incompetent and unable to deliver what they sold.

But it's ok because it's an indie developer, so the money they got for failing to make a playable game is fine. If EA posted the same exact release the same people would be shiatting their pants all over their video game blog about how much EA sucks.


No, they are supporting them for owning up to their mistakes. Pull your head out of your ass.
 
2014-01-10 10:51:01 AM
FTFA Our experimental renderer

I think I see the problem.
 
2014-01-10 10:52:23 AM

ardubz: What has Bethesda ever done to deserve such a scathing comment? (serious question)


Oblivion.  Not the game, just the realm.
 
2014-01-10 10:53:41 AM
 FTFA world playing it with their own play style AND their own unique system configurations, it was clearly an unrealistic hope.

Really - this is a shock?  Yet another reason why console based game systems are better than your average PC rig.
 
2014-01-10 10:56:53 AM

ardubz: Premeditated_Road_Rage: How did I guess this wasn't Bethesda?

What has Bethesda ever done to deserve such a scathing comment? (serious question)

/bethesda fanboy


Guessing you're a Bethesda *console* fanboy.  Seems like the first/most popular mods to go up for Bethesda games on Nexus are bug-fixes.  Console players just get stuck with the bugs.

/fan of their games, not of their support dept.
 
2014-01-10 11:00:53 AM
Wait, screw this story. Somebody loved GTA IV?
 
2014-01-10 11:05:03 AM

vharshyde: Weeners on the site: "YOU SHOULD BANKRUPT YOURSELF AND GIVE IT TO US ALL FOR FREE!!!"

I'm paraphrasing here, but WOW, and you wonder where the rumors of gamers being entitled little shiats come from...


No, I do not wonder that at all. Vast amounts of video gamers seem to think that the world owes them everything on a silver platter TODAY and it better be close to free or else they'll just torrent it.
 
2014-01-10 11:05:39 AM

Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.


More like a trend of clearly labeling games as such. At least Steam "Early Access" games are honest about what you are getting into, unlike your typical half-finished EA game.

I'm fine with that. If that's something that you are excited about, you can participate. If not, you can wait for the game to be done, and you'll have lots more information to decide whether you want to buy.
 
2014-01-10 11:05:41 AM

ardubz: Premeditated_Road_Rage: How did I guess this wasn't Bethesda?

What has Bethesda ever done to deserve such a scathing comment? (serious question)

/bethesda fanboy


Massive amounts of bugs that are usually fixed by modders?
 
2014-01-10 11:07:10 AM

Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.


The money I spent to be a "beta tester" for Kerbal Space Program has been worth every penny.
 
2014-01-10 11:07:55 AM

NicktheSmoker: RedPhoenix122: NicktheSmoker: GTA V needs to do something like this.  Then maybe I wouldn't feel like I had 160 bucks stolen from me.  Or just fix the game.  And add stuff to it that isn't boring/repetitive.

You live in Australia?

Nope, Atlanta.  Bought the Collectors Edition based off of loving GTA IV.  First and last CE I will ever buy.  At least I got a stupid hat.  Probably have gotten more enjoyment out of that than the actual game. Wanted just the special edition for like 80 or whatever but it was not available for pre-order when I went to pre-order.


I would love to know what GTA IV did that was superior to V.

And Rock* did apologize for the multiplayer hiccups.
 
2014-01-10 11:08:50 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: ardubz: Premeditated_Road_Rage: How did I guess this wasn't Bethesda?

What has Bethesda ever done to deserve such a scathing comment? (serious question)

/bethesda fanboy

Massive amounts of bugs that are usually fixed by modders?


That whole Master Race thing isn't working out so well for you, is it?
 
2014-01-10 11:10:17 AM

ardubz: Premeditated_Road_Rage: How did I guess this wasn't Bethesda?

What has Bethesda ever done to deserve such a scathing comment? (serious question)

/bethesda fanboy


Repeatedly release un-debugged pieces of shiat and then concentrated on adding content that they can charge for via expansions instead of fixing bugs?

/ There are release day bugs still in Skyrim.
// Skipped FO3 and Oblivion based on the steaming pile that was Morrowind.
/// They have zero chance of getting me to pay a subscription fee for their WoW clone thanks to Skyrim
 
2014-01-10 11:11:18 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.

The money I spent to be a "beta tester" for Kerbal Space Program has been worth every penny.


Yes. The problem is developers selling early access to half-assed attempts at games that haven't been tested. Kerbal, Minecraft, Terraria, etc. are only made better by buying early so that the game keeps evolving as you play it. It's a fun experience.

I made a legit SSTO spaceplane yesterday. It can't go very high into orbit, but it can escape the atmosphere.
 
2014-01-10 11:13:26 AM

CheatCommando: / There are release day bugs still in Skyrim.
// Skipped FO3 and Oblivion based on the steaming pile that was Morrowind.


In their defense, most of the bugs break minor sidequests.

Also, if you play it on the PC, you can fix most questlines with a few console commands. Yeah, I know that makes some people mad, but console games have had unfixable bug problems ever since the NES. Deal with it.
 
2014-01-10 11:16:32 AM
I was a bit surprised to see so many of these early access games up for the various steam holiday sales.  It seems odd to offer a deal on these.  I also wish they would call them unfinished' instead of early access.
 
2014-01-10 11:18:25 AM
That's wonderful.

Bit of a threadjack: Is anyone here participating in Elder Scrolls Online beta this weekend?
 
2014-01-10 11:18:46 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.

The money I spent to be a "beta tester" for Kerbal Space Program has been worth every penny.


I spent like $23 to buy it.  I get less playtime from things I've spent $60 for.  KSP is awesome.
 
2014-01-10 11:19:03 AM

ardubz: Premeditated_Road_Rage: How did I guess this wasn't Bethesda?

What has Bethesda ever done to deserve such a scathing comment? (serious question)

/bethesda fanboy


Got rid of the alteration class of magic in the elder scrolls

I was an rpg version of Neo with that shiat
 
2014-01-10 11:25:55 AM

mainstreet62: That's wonderful.

Bit of a threadjack: Is anyone here participating in Elder Scrolls Online beta this weekend?


I got an invite.  Didn't use it yet.  I haven't heard good things about it.
 
2014-01-10 11:26:59 AM

js34603: Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.

The funny part is people supporting these guys for basically being incompetent and unable to deliver what they sold.

But it's ok because it's an indie developer, so the money they got for failing to make a playable game is fine. If EA posted the same exact release the same people would be shiatting their pants all over their video game blog about how much EA sucks.


EA has vastly superior resources.  They CAN test shiat. They CAN prepare for a launch properly.  They choose not to.

This is an indie game company.  I didn't look up info on them specifically, but they were Kickstartered, which means this game was funded by the seat of its pants.  Testing did not happen properly, due to lack of resources.  They have apologized and are fixing the problem.  Good for them.
 
2014-01-10 11:27:42 AM

Cpl.D: mainstreet62: That's wonderful.

Bit of a threadjack: Is anyone here participating in Elder Scrolls Online beta this weekend?

I got an invite.  Didn't use it yet.  I haven't heard good things about it.


I tried to get on a few weekends ago and couldn't.  Screw that.
 
2014-01-10 11:29:29 AM

meanmutton: Tyrone Slothrop: ardubz: Premeditated_Road_Rage: How did I guess this wasn't Bethesda?

What has Bethesda ever done to deserve such a scathing comment? (serious question)

/bethesda fanboy

Massive amounts of bugs that are usually fixed by modders?

That whole Master Race thing isn't working out so well for you, is it?


As pointed out earlier, console versions have the same bugs, they just don't get fixed unless it's something particularly destructive, like the whole Skyrim save file issue.
 
2014-01-10 11:29:29 AM
This is the best marketing I have ever seen. They are able to take a negative situation affecting an extremely vocal and vehement base and turn it into a positive without spending any money. It has now gone viral and reached Fark, with pretty much the Boobieser wanting to buy a game they never even heard of. If it was EA, players would be farked and they would find somehow to piss off people even more. If it was Activision, the forum posts to let you know what was going on would be wildly inaccurate and sporadic. To top this all off, they have OPEN COMMENTS AND THEY ARE POSITIVE! WTF?!
 
2014-01-10 11:30:06 AM

meanmutton: That whole Master Race thing isn't working out so well for you, is it?


The PS3 version of Skyrim wasn't exactly bug-free. At least the PC version let you mod it.
 
2014-01-10 11:32:32 AM

Fubini: CheatCommando: / There are release day bugs still in Skyrim.
// Skipped FO3 and Oblivion based on the steaming pile that was Morrowind.

In their defense, most of the bugs break minor sidequests.

Also, if you play it on the PC, you can fix most questlines with a few console commands. Yeah, I know that makes some people mad, but console games have had unfixable bug problems ever since the NES. Deal with it.


I am. By not giving the idiots at Bethesda any more of my money. Perhaps you missed that part.
 
2014-01-10 11:33:46 AM
Further quotes:

"I am stunned by the abject stupidity that was shown here.  I am embarrassed and humiliated by the conduct of some of the people on my team."

Now THAT'S an apology.
 
2014-01-10 11:36:23 AM

mainstreet62: That's wonderful.

Bit of a threadjack: Is anyone here participating in Elder Scrolls Online beta this weekend?


Me.

I've been in them for about three months now.
 
2014-01-10 11:37:01 AM

thecpt: ardubz: Premeditated_Road_Rage: How did I guess this wasn't Bethesda?

What has Bethesda ever done to deserve such a scathing comment? (serious question)

/bethesda fanboy

Got rid of the alteration class of magic in the elder scrolls

I was an rpg version of Neo with that shiat


I dunno about all this Elder Scroll Online thing (bad idea, in my opinion), but Skyrim had Alteration. They got rid of Mysticism and rolled some of its spells over to Alteration.

Since they already castrated those Schools by Oblivion, I wasn't as torn up about the result in Skyrim.
 
2014-01-10 11:38:12 AM

meanmutton: Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.

Yeah, when I saw the part about being on kickstarter -- umm... yeah, you probably could have gotten more beta testers if you weren't charging them. That is farking ridiculous.


This. If they were actually concerned with the quality of the product, they'd have a paid staff doing their testing. When less than 20 people are willing to pay to do your studio's job, you suck it up and assign a team to do it. What you don't do is run a 20-person (pay to play) beta, combined with some internal testing (on what are likely to be "ideal spec" machines) and call your game finished.

Pay-to-play beta testing is stupid. People aren't paying you so they can be good testers, filling out bug reports after spending hours trying to replicate and reproduce the conditions that led to the game bugging out and crashing... they're paying so they can play.

You say you ran a 20-person paid beta that resulted in a buggy, unplayable mess?

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There was a time when software went gold when it was playable and ready to ship. Sales happened after the work was done. We've slowly but surely moved to a model where it's accepted practice to sell product that isn't finished, or even started in some cases. I still have a hard time understanding how and why people will pay for a game that exists only in concept art and some blurbs about how awesome it could be.

Hell, Star Citizen sounds awesome, but after a year and a half of following the project there still isn't anything there worth giving them $40+ for. And given the time they've had and the money raised ($36.4 million at current), they should damn well have something playable to offer for that kind of money. And no, walking around my hangar looking at the ship I bought (but can't fly) isn't gameplay, it's a tech demo.

Planetary Annihilation looks like fun as well, but charging $70 to beta test an unfinished game is ridiculous. Hell, $70 for a finished game is still $10 more than AAA titles go for on release day.

I'll stick to my habit of never buying anything at release, and just waiting a year or so to get the finished game at half the price. I also don't do day-one DLC, preorders (a whole other load of wtf) or the other crap studios are doing these days in place of selling completed software.
 
2014-01-10 11:42:58 AM

meanmutton: That whole Master Race thing isn't working out so well for you, is it?


No, it is. Enjoy your console, peasant.
 
2014-01-10 11:45:41 AM

scottydoesntknow: NicktheSmoker: RedPhoenix122: NicktheSmoker: GTA V needs to do something like this.  Then maybe I wouldn't feel like I had 160 bucks stolen from me.  Or just fix the game.  And add stuff to it that isn't boring/repetitive.

You live in Australia?

Nope, Atlanta.  Bought the Collectors Edition based off of loving GTA IV.  First and last CE I will ever buy.  At least I got a stupid hat.  Probably have gotten more enjoyment out of that than the actual game. Wanted just the special edition for like 80 or whatever but it was not available for pre-order when I went to pre-order.

I would love to know what GTA IV did that was superior to V.

And Rock* did apologize for the multiplayer hiccups.


Story was better, longer and more enjoyable, and the online wasn't that much worse than V. The city felt more alive, and wasn't a rehash of a city I already played on without the other two better cities. When I got out of San Andreas on that game, San Fran and Vegas were awesome.  And that game had freaking casino's.  How is it that the game is progressed backwards?  And they half ass apologized, saying you should have known basically it was gonna be like this. Yeah, we thought there might be a few issues.  Not that the game sucked balls and 3 months later would still not be any closer to what they advertised.
 
2014-01-10 11:46:24 AM

BMFPitt: Need a Dispenser Here: Gotta love this trend of paying to be an alpha or beta tester.

Next up, we program the games and they sell them back to us.

More like a trend of clearly labeling games as such. At least Steam "Early Access" games are honest about what you are getting into, unlike your typical half-finished EA game.

I'm fine with that. If that's something that you are excited about, you can participate. If not, you can wait for the game to be done, and you'll have lots more information to decide whether you want to buy.


I'm sick of farking steam having 10 "featured" games on sale and having 8 of them be alphas.

75% off (still 15 dollars) for x game.

*click*. Early access. Fark you.
 
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