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(Miami Herald)   Now that smoking has been banned in public places, restaurants, and bars, the time has come to ban smoking in apartment buildings   (miamiherald.com) divider line 40
    More: Florida, Flagler Village, smoking bans, American Lung Association, Mitzy Cordova, Stock Island, Altamonte Springs, Florida Keys, archipelagos  
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2014-01-10 01:53:39 AM
3 votes:
I wish my apartments were non-smoking. My next-door neighbor smokes so heavily that I can smell it in my own farking apartment. It constantly reeks in the common area. The common area smelling of cigarettes I can handle - dude needs to open his door once in a while. But, smelling it in my own farking home? Fark you, dude.

/recovering smoker
//seriously, fark that guy.
///I hate him
////and he's really nice
2014-01-10 01:39:33 AM
3 votes:
I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..
2014-01-10 12:31:48 AM
3 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Translation: we still want the tax money, so we don't dare ban tobacco completely

/which is really the goal of all these laws
//but... the money...


The complex in the article banned it inside the apartments AND on the grounds. So these people who probably can't afford to tell the to piss off and just move somewhere else can't even enjoy a cigarette without going outside and walking to the end of the block and standing on a public sidewalk.

These people who certainly can't afford to jet off on a vacation on the islands get little pleasure out of life and if they want to have a smoke why should we stop them. It is perfectly legal and I'm sure they know it may not be the healthiest thing, but they should be allowed to live their own lives.

But, they're poor so screw them. The rich smart people know what is best for them.

/I don't smoke, never have
2014-01-09 09:09:28 PM
3 votes:
This anti-smoking crusade is getting a little too much mileage out of flawed second-hand smoke studies.  An individual smoker with limited means is such an easy target.  There are other, more poisonous causes and environments to which we are regularly exposed, but those battles are harder even though there's more credible studies to prove the dangers.

/not a smoker, never was, most of family smoked
//lived right off freeways, worked in large buildings with bad filters, allergic to cats
///no cancer yet
////knock on wood
//extreme slashies
2014-01-10 10:24:22 AM
2 votes:

UtopianDevil: "We always have to replace the carpet and repaint after a place has been left by a smoker," Cordova said. "Sometimes the smell is so bad we have to tear out the drywall. We can sometimes turn over a nonsmoker's apartment in eight hours, but it takes a week or two for a smoker's."


I call bullshiat. Several years ago I worked a second job doing maintenance at an apartment complex. When someone would move out I was responsible for any cleaning and repairs to the unit before a new tenant would move in. It made not one bit of difference whether the previous tenant was a smoker or not. All units were repainted. Carpets were replaced on an as needed basis and the frequency of replacement had nothing to do with whether the previous tenant was a smoker. Never once did we have to tear out drywall to remove the smoke smell. The turnaround time to make an apartment ready for a new tenant was the same whether the previous person was a smoker or not.


If a building owner wishes to make his property non-smoking, that's his business. I just dislike hearing bullshiat reasons for it.


Either you have olfactory disfunction, you are full of it, or you're simply saying "we didn't do it in our shiathole so no one needs to do it". When people smoke cigarettes on a consistent basis inside a closed area any and all even somewhat soft or porous materials are infused with the yellow taint/smell of nastiness and it is nigh on impossible to eradicate.

///Occassional outdoor smoker. Afterwards the whole laundry hamper reeks.
2014-01-10 09:21:49 AM
2 votes:
Rights. Schmights. Smoking is an addiction. Period. About the only difference between crack and tobacco is that one, through an accident of history, is *legal*, and the other one is not. Besides all that, cigarette smoke stinks. And not only does it stink, but it stinks up absolutely everything it lands on. Hair, skin, clothing, furniture, the insides of your car. The a/c in your car and your home, stink. In fact, if smokers realized just how badly cigarette smoke makes them and everything they own, stink, I'd bet a good percentage of them would drop the stinking habit in a heartbeat.
2014-01-10 07:42:56 AM
2 votes:
Smoking should be banned in any housing that shares common walls. There's no way to confine smoke or the smell of smoke to one unit. The smoke travels through the ventilation systems and the walls and outside through the balconies. You have to smell it and it causes any number of health problems. I used to live in an apartment building where no one smoked in my apartment and people still thought I smoked.

It always baffles me when some smokers say "I can't smell anything" when referring to cigarette smoke. They seem to forget the whole "I can't smell anything" part. It's a dinosaurs habit anyways and the teenagers have greatly reduced their smoking rates. Give it another decade and those that insist on smoking inside places like apartments will be looked at like bucktooth hillbillies at best.

http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/about-smoking/facts-figures/children - teens-and-tobacco.html
2014-01-10 05:41:14 AM
2 votes:
Property owners should be able to decide that.

Smokers aren't a protected class.

It smells horrible and it causes me headaches and full blown migraines sometimes.

I have a friend who says "it should be my FREEDOM to smoke!" and after a while of listening to him biatching I told him: "Yes, and it is. No one is telling you that you can't. People that own buildings are telling you that you can't on their property, and the majority of the population are telling you that you can't in any place deemed to be open to the public via voting. Tell me where your right to smoke and fill the air with that stank and make my clothes smell my shiat supersedes my right to breathe clean air."

He shut up.

I couldn't care less if he smokes, or anyone smokes. Just keep the smoke out of my airspace, and I'll kindly not fill yours with my biatchy noise pollution. If I own a property: tough shiat. I own it, and you're not allowed to inherently cause damage to it from your habit. Go outside. Also, stop throwing your damn cigarette butts on the ground. It's straight up littering, you assholes. I can't tell you how much it pissed me off when another one of my friends told me that I need to have a coffee can with sand or something outside for the smokers to put their cigarettes out in so they don't have to throw it in my yard. Are you farking kidding me? Put the damn thing out on your shoe and walk 10 steps to the trashcan. THERE'S your ashtray.

Dicks.
2014-01-10 03:00:18 AM
2 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.


Not to you, at least.
2014-01-10 02:55:03 AM
2 votes:
Don't you people realize that smokers by definition want to smoke, and therefore that is the only reason that should ever be necessary to allow anyone to constantly incinerate this unbelievable potpourri of harmful and repulsive chemicals in everyone else's personal living space?
2014-01-10 02:08:39 AM
2 votes:
I wonder how ole Mitzy would feel about a ban on sandwiches.

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2014-01-10 01:31:48 AM
2 votes:
I once rented a flat that had been divided into two apartments.  The guy next door smoked, and our apartments shared some vents so it got pretty smoky in my place.  I'm allergic, history of bronchitis, etc. I knocked on his door and asked nicely if he wouldn't mind opening a window or smoking further away from the vent.  No problem.

It's amazing how people can get along when they're not dicks.
2014-01-10 01:25:08 AM
2 votes:
Why can't they just chew a stick of gum?
2014-01-10 02:03:59 PM
1 votes:

UtopianDevil: "We always have to replace the carpet and repaint after a place has been left by a smoker," Cordova said. "Sometimes the smell is so bad we have to tear out the drywall. We can sometimes turn over a nonsmoker's apartment in eight hours, but it takes a week or two for a smoker's."


I call bullshiat. Several years ago I worked a second job doing maintenance at an apartment complex. When someone would move out I was responsible for any cleaning and repairs to the unit before a new tenant would move in. It made not one bit of difference whether the previous tenant was a smoker or not. All units were repainted. Carpets were replaced on an as needed basis and the frequency of replacement had nothing to do with whether the previous tenant was a smoker. Never once did we have to tear out drywall to remove the smoke smell. The turnaround time to make an apartment ready for a new tenant was the same whether the previous person was a smoker or not.


If a building owner wishes to make his property non-smoking, that's his business. I just dislike hearing bullshiat reasons for it.


I'm going to call bullshiat on your bullshiat. There are different types of smokers. For instance, you have the smoker who goes through half of a pack in a week, and on the other end you have one that goes through half of a carton in a week. Some smokers ruin things, some don't.

/just saying
2014-01-10 12:53:43 PM
1 votes:

feelslikerain: fark cigarette smokers.

biggest a holes on the planet.

oh yea, not you mr/mrs perfectly considerate smoker who doesnt exist.

it stinks inside, it stinks outside, its annoying, and fark you.

i should never have to tolerate someone elses cigarette smoke.  period.

ban it everywhere and shoot on site.


Your butt stinks. Your car stinks. Please kill yourself.
2014-01-10 10:58:31 AM
1 votes:
I actually agree with this.  I and my fiance are non smokers, The 17 chinese people living below us (who run a japanese restaurant across the street) in one apartment smoke.  Daily, it is such a strong odor coming up from them, that it has become a nuisance. Everyone in the building agrees that the smoking needs to stop in the building.  If my apartment smells like this when I choose to move out, I will end up paying the fees for cleanup and fumigation.

It's bullshiat unless steps are taken to prevent the spread into other apartments.  Then, and only then, would I be ok with smoking in buildings.
2014-01-10 10:52:22 AM
1 votes:
UMaine recently became a "tobacco free campus." No one enforces it, the students don't give a rats ass and smoke anyway, and the staff literally hide in the bushes to smoke.

/life sucks
//let them have their dirty habit
2014-01-10 10:45:21 AM
1 votes:
I lived in a non smoking unit for 8 years.  Unfortunately my neighbor downstairs smoked.  Most of the year I could keep windows open and cross ventilate nicely, no big deal.  It reeked in the winter however.  I took a vacation, and upon unpacking my bags I noticed that all my clothes, that had been hanging in my closet, were permeated with tobacco stench.  Yes, I regularly washed my clothes. I'd just gotten used to the smell apparently.  It's a filthy habit.
2014-01-10 10:35:10 AM
1 votes:

Colin O'Scopy: feelslikerain: fark cigarette smokers.

biggest a holes on the planet.

oh yea, not you mr/mrs perfectly considerate smoker who doesnt exist.

it stinks inside, it stinks outside, its annoying, and fark you.

i should never have to tolerate someone elses cigarette smoke.  period.

ban it everywhere and shoot on site.

You DON'T tolerate it. I doubt you tolerate ANYTHING.

You sound like the A-holes you describe. You just wait till they come after your sammiches. You'll feel the vulnerability smokers do.

And I'll care as little as you do now.


Sandwiches aren't a stinky, disgusting habit that has adverse effects on people nearby. Equivalence fail.
2014-01-10 10:12:54 AM
1 votes:

Hyggelig: I wonder how ole Mitzy would feel about a ban on sandwiches.

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HAHAHA - because she's FAT, right?!?!!  HAHAHA!!!

Fat people...amirite?

/fat people TROLOLOL!!!!!
//whatever it take to feel good about yourself, kiddo
2014-01-10 09:40:34 AM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: They could always just charge an extra deposit for smokers like they do for pet owners.


Section 8 here has a maximum of one month's rent allowed as a security deposit, and there's a good chance they'd include that in the limit.  Not only would the costs related to a long term smoking resident probably be too high to ask for up front in Section 8 housing, but it may end up on shaky legal ground if the government considered that to be a security deposit, which isn't a far stretch.  Both deposits would be covering the tenant's possible damages to the apartment.

In addition, there are a lot of different state laws regarding deposits for housing.  Sometimes it can be hard to charge a non-refundable one.  Sometimes charging a specific deposit can also limit what the landlord can collect - in several states (not all) if they collect pet deposits, they cannot collect for pet damage beyond that.  If they limited their ability to collect for smoking damage, then the landlord could be out a lot of money in some cases, and they can probably already attempt to collect it as normal damage without a special deposit (though of course they aren't 100% successful at collecting beyond deposit amounts).  If they didn't charge enough to cover the very worst smoker though, they're in the same boat they already were in, and attempting to collect - if legally allowed to - on damages beyond the deposit.  Hotels charge a fortune if you smoke in a non-smoking room for the cleanup; they do not change the rules with each customer.  I am not sure why people would expect changing over a long term residence to be any easier or cheaper.

The apartments I've been in always had to repaint and recarpet at least.  They often needed additional air duct cleaning, and sometimes drywall replacement.  Pets usually at least keep their damage mostly to floor level, even if they are particularly house-unfriendly pets.  None of the pet deposits I've paid have even been a full month's rent - they're usually $50-$200 extra.  Mostly that is just going to pay for a rug shampoo.  It wouldn't cover a repaint.  To convert a smoker's rental afterwards would probably just require too high a deposit to stay profitable and attract tenants.  Smokers would look for a place that didn't add that charge yet, and nonsmokers may be more attracted to places that did not allow the smoking, since it does tend to get into the neighbor's apartments as well, so it'd end up less desirable to both groups.  A lot of people pay extra to live in smoke free complexes, plus those cost less during turnovers, so a smoker deposit would both discourage smokers and lessen the possible rent from non-smokers.  On the flip side, if certain places do not have a deposit and tend to repeatedly attract smokers, they may also be able to use less drastic overhauls for each turnover and face less complaints about shared areas and ventilation systems.  Both sides would probably have lower costs and happier tenants with a clear policy, rather than trying to play the middle and just collect additional money on the front end.  At the very least, a policy per building would probably be beneficial.
2014-01-10 08:01:13 AM
1 votes:
In the Keys, tourists have discovered that finding a hotel, guesthouse or vacation rental that allows smoking inside is almost impossible these days.

Smokers:

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Old enough to remember when it was consider the height or rudeness not to provide an ashtray for guests who are smokers even if you were a non-smoker, smoking allowed on Greyhounds,  in college, in the workplace.

How things have changed..now, if only they would ban my Eastern European neighbor from boiling cabbage all the time - that shiat smells like a goddamn paper mill.

Why not coleslaw?
2014-01-10 06:59:53 AM
1 votes:
I'd live where there was a smoking ban were it available in my renting future.

Nothing like having windows open on a nice day in any season, and then being assaulted at any given time by the reek of smoke that seeps into MY APARTMENT and MY BELONGINGS. Or trying to enjoy a nice afternoon on the communal front porch with good company or a good book, and ending up with clothes and hair that need washed upon returning inside.

With that said, it's my neighbor's own damn punishments to themselves that they have to stand outside in cold (especially with the serious below-zeros we just had), wet, or snowy weather. If they want to make themselves miserable just to enjoy a "freedom," they can go right ahead. I'm most likely in my nice warm dry apartment NOT going through the torture of nicotine addiction and needing a fix. It's vastly preferable to what they're doing, but that's just me.

Flawed studies or not, smoke--second-hand, mainstream, whatever, it's no difference to me--is gross, regardless of it it's bad fo me or not. I do not want to smell it, I don't want to wear it, and I don't want to live in it. And I work with poop, diarrhea, abscesses, and anal gland secretions on a very regular basis, so believe me, I know gross smells. Thankfully, these are all occupational hazards easily washed off with soap and water and we're none the worse for wear.

/nicotine addiction, oral fixation, "need something to do with my hands," etc etc whatever
//it's as easy as DON'T START
2014-01-10 06:51:32 AM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Pot smokers will just switch to edibles or using filters.

//suck it, nicotine suckers


You mean like e-cigs ? Dumbass. Ya the same assholes who don't want people smoking because it smells and don't want smoke etc are banning them to. So it has nothing to do with smell or health anymore it's all about imposing their will.

E-cig don't smell like smoke and don't dissipate burnt paper / tobacco but the anti-smoking nazis still are going after them.

So what you have here are smokers saying OK 2nd hand smoke and smell etc We agree will do this instead and a bunch of prohibitionists yell NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!
2014-01-10 03:59:52 AM
1 votes:

Ready-set: Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.

Yeah! You guys are right!

A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.


and where is you FARK law degree?

Seriously, stuff it before you make yourself seem even dumber
2014-01-10 03:41:58 AM
1 votes:
Every lease I've ever had on a rental place has prohibited smoking indoors.. 7 places over 15+ years. Not sure why this is shocking or outrageous.
2014-01-10 03:40:18 AM
1 votes:

Ready-set: A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.


You may want to do a little research yourself on what a protected class is. Smokers aren't a protected class, so they are fair game if someone doesn't want them living in their rental property, same as pet owners.
2014-01-10 03:38:59 AM
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.


Hahaha another smoker who thinks his shut don't stink. You probably think being outdoors makes it all magically go away too while you lnow smoke in my face while I'm trying to eat on a patio don't you?
2014-01-10 03:17:05 AM
1 votes:

Ready-set: Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.

Yeah! You guys are right!

A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.


Yes, because who lives on a property is equivalent to what tenants do on a property.  Protip:  being a smoker isn't the same as being black.  I'll bet $5 you have no farking clue what you're talking about.
2014-01-10 03:13:22 AM
1 votes:

LordJiro: I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..


A lot of them start young,  in their teens (when you're most likely to do dumb shiate),  then you're hooked.

DrPainMD: GoldSpider: This is a reasonable measure to control the cost of health care.

And there's the rub; once the government completely takes over health care, they will take away our right to do anything that has even a remote chance of being bad for our health (except dying in foreign countries for oil company profits, of course). In the land of the free.


I see this arguement in every smoking thread and it's just not true.  Show me a place that has government provided health care that has banned smoking because of their health care costs.  It's certainly not banned in Canada,  or the UK as far as I know.
2014-01-10 02:58:51 AM
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.


Yeah! You guys are right!

A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.
2014-01-10 02:47:13 AM
1 votes:
Foeget about health concerns. The stench is all the reason you need to support such a ban.
2014-01-10 02:10:11 AM
1 votes:

brimed03: Depends on the ventilation systems. The dorms I used to supervise, smells traveled easily up the columns of rooms because that's how the vent patterns ran and they used the cheapest systems possible so there was no odor (or sound) baffling. So I can understand banning smoking. One resident's dirty habit shouldn't stink up another's nose, furniture, and clothes.  Dealing with curry or fish cooking was always a fun issue too.


You don't even need to have a shared ventilation system.  Most of the apartments I've ever lived in had had crappy air seals between units.  I could always tell when a neighbor was cooking something exotic or when they were hitting the bong.

This would be less of an issue if apartments were required to have real walls between units.  I should be able to have a senior next door who turns the TV to 11 while watching Jeopardy and I shouldn't be able to hear.
2014-01-10 02:09:08 AM
1 votes:
it's always better to own than rent.
2014-01-10 02:02:57 AM
1 votes:
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Had to "tolerate" a neighbor's heavy second-hand smoke years ago. (Glad i don't live near any smokers these days...)
2014-01-10 01:55:01 AM
1 votes:
I similarly was shocked to find that I couldn't spray the inside of my apartment with coyote urine.

Genuinely I think it shouldn't be a legal ban, simply a restriction available to property owners. "Within x feet of the front door to someone else's house" yeah, that's properly in the vein of "don't throw crap at other people."
2014-01-10 01:53:35 AM
1 votes:
Having seen the damage heavy smokers can do on even a six-month lease, I am surprised more rental properties don't already ban it.

Worst I ever encountered was on a year lease by a couple who smoked: Imagine white walls turned a snot brown and yellow, and ductwork so gummed up with smoke residue that they had to be torn out and replaced because running the heat or air just made the apartment smell like cigarette smoke.

The smoke residue was so bad and pervasive that washing walls, priming them in several coats of odor block paint, and replacing nearly everything else like carpet, pad, outlets, and microwave still didn't get rid of the smell entirely. After the next tenants complained despite the effort put into cleaning it I finally convinced the owners that a complete tear-out was the only fix. Even the friggen insulation in the walls reeked of the cigarette smoke 4 months after those people moved out. Had to document every step for the charges we billed to the smoking tenants, as they were the first to occupy what was a brand new unit when they moved in.
2014-01-10 01:27:01 AM
1 votes:
Private property owners should be able to decide whether or not their business or residential properties are smoking or non.   If the owners of a property ban smoking, tough crap.  Its unfortunate that the government has taken away commercial property owners' rights to decide for themselves.

I havent smoked in 7 months, but i never fought a landlord on the smoking issue. Its his or her property.
2014-01-09 08:46:50 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.


It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

In general I'm against the banning of practices that would otherwise be legal.  They could always just charge an extra deposit for smokers like they do for pet owners.
2014-01-09 08:32:00 PM
1 votes:
Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.
 
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